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no permanent bases in iraq
no binding contracts that future US leaders cannot change
similar to partnerships we have with afghanistan.
my admin will work to complete this standing partnership with iraq in the coming months.
This is some seriously big news...
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He also said we have to complete the war in iraq because if we don't, terrorists will control the oil.
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you mean now they r gonna change the definition of what a base is ::)
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Bush is doing what he can to a "sudden awareness" to be softer on his policies. Were seeing mccain go from a lifetime of war chanting to "I hate War" with tears. Mccain was screaming to hit north korea in 94 and serbia also. He was happy about the iraq war....now all of a sudden, its regretfull.
The bases are huge in Iraq so this is all lies to get into office. Americans are so gullible, its embarrassing sometimes....
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Just because he says it, will it be believed...who here believes it. Much like Obama and his "pull-out plan" nobody believes we aren't staying long term.
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I kind of liked the idea of permanent bases, to be honest.
I'm guessing for bush himself to address the topic, a lot of voices must be upset about the idea of them.
shit, after all the $ we've spent, why not keep the bases there forever? if the saudis kick us out, it'll be nice to have forces local over there in iraq.
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We have Kuwait...I'm for moving back to Balad and maybe something further South.
Sadr City — the Baghdad nerve center for the powerful Mahdi Army — is suddenly back on edge as the militia leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, and Iraq's government lock in a dangerous confrontation over clout and control among the nation's majority Shiites.
The epicenter of the showdown has been the southern oil hub of Basra, where clashes have claimed dozens of lives this week and al-Sadr's forces face a Friday deadline to surrender.
But a more finely tuned measure of the tensions may be found among the one- and two-story homes and shabby storefronts of Sadr City. As the crisis deepened, The Associated Press toured Sadr City on Wednesday to observe its rapid swing from relative quiet to a return of the Mahdi Army swagger before the U.S. military troop buildup in Baghdad last year
There is a 1 or 2 major reasons that Al Sadr has not completely broken the cease-fire.....hoepfully he will continue to sit tight.
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Just because he says it, will it be believed...who here believes it. Much like Obama and his "pull-out plan" nobody believes we aren't staying long term.
Sha right! ::) ...as if anybody ever believes a man ...any man, when he says he's gonna "pull out"?
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There is a 1 or 2 major reasons that Al Sadr has not completely broken the cease-fire.....hoepfully he will continue to sit tight.
Are you referring to the millions of dollars in bribes peace money the US is currently paying to warring factions?
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Sha right! ::) ...as if anybody ever believes a man ...any man, when he says he's gonna "pull out"?
We meant it before we were in the good stuff......after that it aint gonna happen. LOL...
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Are you referring to the millions of dollars in bribes peace money the US is currently paying to warring factions?
No I'm not. We're paying the Sons of Iraq, which keeps the peace, and will allow the Iraqi governmnet to control their own country. I can't say way Sadr is keeping the cease-fire. They could not do what they're doing in Basra without the SOI and the growing stability.
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Are you referring to the millions of dollars in bribes peace money the US is currently paying to warring factions?
Thats true. 90,000 on the payroll. Just trying to hold out till the next administration, i think
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It better then boxes full of dead GI's. This is what should have happened after we rolled into Baghdad. Its late but its working. Honestly...these people are sick of AQI. They want us out but know that without us to roll-up AQI, they will face a disaster after we leave.
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No I'm not. We're paying the Sons of Iraq, which keeps the peace, and will allow the Iraqi governmnet to control their own country. I can't say way Sadr is keeping the cease-fire. They could not do what they're doing in Basra without the SOI and the growing stability.
Well if the sons of Iraq can do such a good job of keeping the peace in Iraq, why the heck don't you let them do it,
and bring the sons of America home to their families in as few pieces as possible?
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Jag the program is a year old with maybe 75,000 of these guys working. This will creat enough stability to rebuild infrastructure, create jobs, and allow Iraq to get back on its feet. We have a blue-print to make this work. U guys all whine and complain about the Surge etc...this was all part of the plan. If u knew how much time we on non-combat engagements and operations u would be shocked. Most of what we do is to try and create enough stability and forward momentum for the Iraqi government, so we can leave.
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Sha right! ::) ...as if anybody ever believes a man ...any man, when he says he's gonna "pull out"?
If I do it's gonna end up on your back. ;D
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If I do it's gonna end up on your back. ;D
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/FrightenedMouse.gif)
My bottom is off limits
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Jag the program is a year old with maybe 75,000 of these guys working. This will creat enough stability to rebuild infrastructure, create jobs, and allow Iraq to get back on its feet. We have a blue-print to make this work. U guys all whine and complain about the Surge etc...this was all part of the plan. If u knew how much time we on non-combat engagements and operations u would be shocked. Most of what we do is to try and create enough stability and forward momentum for the Iraqi government, so we can leave.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/but.gif) ...wasn't it Mission Accomplished 5 years ago? I thought i heard Bush say that?
If the mission was accomplished 6 yrs ago, ...why did it take anothe 4 yrs to get these guys working?
(http://zipcon.com/stdale/mission_accomplished.jpg)
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97% of the 4000 deaths of our troops occurred AFTER the declaration of Mission Accomplished.
What's that mean... 120 deaths before, and the other 3,880 afterwards? Wow...
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Terror is almost wiped off the face of the earth, troops will be coming home any day now.
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Terror is almost wiped off the face of the earth, troops will be coming home any day now.
-President John Mccain, in speech dated March 28, 2011, after endorsing VP Mitt Romney for replacing him as he retires from office.
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Quotes:
no permanent bases in iraq
no binding contracts that future US leaders cannot change
similar to partnerships we have with afghanistan.
my admin will work to complete this standing partnership with iraq in the coming months.
This is some seriously big news...
ahaha, fucking haha... weigh this with the rest of Bush's long line of doublespeak and tell me who should believe he believed a word coming out of his own mouth. Nothing new here, say one thing, do the opposite.
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jag, what kind of bottom are we talking about? pics? (hahaha)
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(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/FrightenedMouse.gif)
My bottom is off limits
Okay, stomach then. ;D
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jag, what kind of bottom are we talking about? pics? (hahaha)
A firm tight round one. You'll have to use your imagination. ;)
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Okay, stomach then. ;D
...but that's only contingent upon ...what was that you said? ...oh yea... "If I do"
Like I'm really gonna believe you'd be able to do that when the time came, ...even if you wanted to. ::)
I have a long memory my friend, ...it's been described as "an engraving on a steel plate"
You may not remember . . . . . but I do. mwahahaha
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Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.
Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq
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It really doesn't mean shit. Hell, at some point we'll be out of Japan like we are pretty much out of the P.I.
Bases do not indicate colonization.
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Bases do not indicate colonization.
bases allow us to protect our oil drilling.
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bases allow us to protect our oil drilling.
so what? Bases are not a permanent settlement of people. They rotate through there.
Is Japan a colony?
Do we have economic ties with Japan?
do we have bases there?
Are they our colony?
Stop trying to make it into something it's not.
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It really doesn't mean shit. Hell, at some point we'll be out of Japan like we are pretty much out of the P.I.
Bases do not indicate colonization.
True. South Korea, Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Spain . . . Cuba. We have a presence all over the place.
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Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.
Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq
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We have Kuwait...I'm for moving back to Balad and maybe something further South.
Sadr City — the Baghdad nerve center for the powerful Mahdi Army — is suddenly back on edge as the militia leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, and Iraq's government lock in a dangerous confrontation over clout and control among the nation's majority Shiites.
The epicenter of the showdown has been the southern oil hub of Basra, where clashes have claimed dozens of lives this week and al-Sadr's forces face a Friday deadline to surrender.
But a more finely tuned measure of the tensions may be found among the one- and two-story homes and shabby storefronts of Sadr City. As the crisis deepened, The Associated Press toured Sadr City on Wednesday to observe its rapid swing from relative quiet to a return of the Mahdi Army swagger before the U.S. military troop buildup in Baghdad last year
There is a 1 or 2 major reasons that Al Sadr has not completely broken the cease-fire.....hoepfully he will continue to sit tight.
It sounds like Iraq finally confronted Iran about their weapons and soldiers in Iraq. After the government took over Basra, they found weapons, computers and more, directly linking Iran to Iraqi violence. It sounds like this was the leverage that was needed to get another cease fire signed.
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It sounds like Iraq finally confronted Iran about their weapons and soldiers in Iraq. After the government took over Basra, they found weapons, computers and more, directly linking Iran to Iraqi violence.
This directly contradicts what MSNBC "Countdown" said yesterday.
They detailed the 20,000 weapons and explosives found so far (in a bulk pile where our military men said "some" was iranian), and said that upon examination by experts, not a SINGLE component had any marking or mnfg linking it to Iran.
This is a major contradiction. I don't know if I should believe you, or NBC news. If NBC is lying, that is HUGE.
What evidence do you have, aside from the vague initial report still unchecked by explosives and weapon analysists, that Iran has delivered weapons?
Do you have
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at 1:35, MSNBC details how there was NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that Iran was involved with weapons.
Zero of 20,000 munititions which link Iran to War? Zero.
What evidence do you have that MSNBC is lying, joker?
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I don know this, as of last week Iraq claimed that there were Iranian weapons in Iraq.
I also know that a cease fire in Basra was called after Iraq went to Iran to confront them about weapons. In which the Iraqi government has free rain to go after militant or criminals that don't lay down their heavy weapons, a huge loss to Al Sadr.
If the weapons now aren't Iranian so be it, believe what you want.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/05/12/strange_bedfellows_in_iraq/
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I don know this, as of last week Iraq claimed that there were Iranian weapons in Iraq.
I also know that a cease fire in Basra was called after Iraq went to Iran to confront them about weapons. In which the Iraqi government has free rain to go after militant or criminals that don't lay down their heavy weapons, a huge loss to Al Sadr.
If the weapons now aren't Iranian so be it, believe what you want.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/05/12/strange_bedfellows_in_iraq/
I tend to trust NBC news more than an iraqi govt official who gains power, weapons, and funding from making such a statement.
Also if indeed this was the case, and iraq had evidence, FOX news and others would be ALL OVER this, as it finally makes the case definitively for war with Iran.
I'm not trying to flame you, I support bombing the shit out of them if indeed there is solid evidence they are killing our troops. However we bought the WMD lie without solid evidence - fool me once, shame on you. If we buy the iran weapons lie with zero evidence, shame on us. Bush wants to walk out of office with a 3-front war in process. I hope we require more than 'his word' on this war.
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It sounds like Iran and Iraq are trying to settle this without the US.
All Iraq wants is for the Iranian sponsored groups and weapons to be out of Iraq.
I happened to agree with this.
In the last 3 months Iraq has made some real diplomatic and military strides with out relying on America first. This includes the push into Basra and the cease fire negotiations with Iran. Hopefully in the next 6 months Mosul will be dealt with and Iran will become even less of an influence in Iraq.
Iran and Iraq don't want to go to war and Iraq doesn't want to be a proxy war between Iran and the US, which is kind of how it is right now.
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that's funny. iraq/iran have hated each other for years. now they're buddies and they both want us out.
didn't ahmedijahad visit iraq with much fanfare? bush had to sneak in, middle of night.
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Religion my friend, Religion.
One Shia group will not piss off another Shia group.
The Iraq Iran war was Sunni, Shia thing.
One of the biggest realizations that has happen in Iraq is that Shia's are now more powerful then Sunni's, these groups look to be slowly learning to live together without fear of death squads or tyranny.
Who knows if it will work, but if it does, Bush's legacy will be a lot different in many parts of the world then it is now.
There will be elections in Iraq in September or October, this will be first real litmus test of the new Iraq, because all regions will vote.
Iraq is soon to become very wealthy as there southern fields become fully developed, and as more oil revenue comes back to the central government instead of being siphoned off by militant groups.
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Quotes:
no permanent bases in iraq
no binding contracts that future US leaders cannot change
similar to partnerships we have with afghanistan.
my admin will work to complete this standing partnership with iraq in the coming months.
This is some seriously big news...
Link? If he said that, I disagree with it.
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Link? If he said that, I disagree with it.
speech he gave at 10:30 AM on mar 27, 2008.
find the transcripts or youtube if you'd like. I typed it verbatim as he said it on the screen of FOX news.
'no permanent bases in iraq' was exact quote.
Not that I mind that we have them... just odd he'd deny them, then we see legislation now saying 41 bases for unlimited time..
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speech he gave at 10:30 AM on mar 27, 2008.
find the transcripts or youtube if you'd like. I typed it verbatim as he said it on the screen of FOX news.
'no permanent bases in iraq' was exact quote.
Not that I mind that we have them... just odd he'd deny them, then we see legislation now saying 41 bases for unlimited time..
Can you stop posting youtubes of Olberman........you act as though he's somekind of legit journalist.
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Can you stop posting youtubes of Olberman........you act as though he's somekind of legit journalist.
I invite you to pull the transcript from that speech that morning.
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I invite you to pull the transcript from that speech that morning.
I don't have time. I have one more client before I'm off to the driving range for a couple of hours. (need to work on my wedge shots and short irons) :D
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I don't have time. I have one more client before I'm off to the driving range for a couple of hours. (need to work on my wedge and short :D
U shouldnt call yourself names.....