Bush promises "NO PERMANENT BASES IN IRAQ"

[24KT]

Okay, stomach then. 

...but that's only contingent upon ...what was that you said? ...oh yea... "If I do"
Like I'm really gonna believe you'd be able to do that when the time came, ...even if you wanted to.  

I have a long memory my friend, ...it's been described as "an engraving on a steel plate"
You may not remember .  .  .  .  . but I do.   mwahahaha

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Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.

Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq

 

[OzmO]

 

It really doesn't mean shit.  Hell, at some point we'll be out of Japan like we are pretty much out of the P.I.

Bases do not indicate colonization.

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Bases do not indicate colonization.

bases allow us to protect our oil drilling.

[OzmO]

bases allow us to protect our oil drilling.

so what?   Bases are not a permanent settlement of people.  They rotate through there.

Is Japan a colony?

Do we have economic ties with Japan?

do we have bases there?

Are they our colony?

Stop trying to make it into something it's not.

[Dos Equis]

It really doesn't mean shit.  Hell, at some point we'll be out of Japan like we are pretty much out of the P.I.

Bases do not indicate colonization.

True.  South Korea, Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Spain . . . Cuba.  We have a presence all over the place.  

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Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.

Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq

 

[a_joker10]

We have Kuwait...I'm for moving back to Balad and maybe something further South.

Sadr City — the Baghdad nerve center for the powerful Mahdi Army — is suddenly back on edge as the militia leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, and Iraq's government lock in a dangerous confrontation over clout and control among the nation's majority Shiites.

The epicenter of the showdown has been the southern oil hub of Basra, where clashes have claimed dozens of lives this week and al-Sadr's forces face a Friday deadline to surrender.

But a more finely tuned measure of the tensions may be found among the one- and two-story homes and shabby storefronts of Sadr City. As the crisis deepened, The Associated Press toured Sadr City on Wednesday to observe its rapid swing from relative quiet to a return of the Mahdi Army swagger before the U.S. military troop buildup in Baghdad last year


There is a 1 or 2 major reasons that Al Sadr has not completely broken the cease-fire.....hoepfully he will continue to sit tight.

It sounds like Iraq finally confronted Iran about their weapons and soldiers in Iraq. After the government took over Basra, they found weapons, computers and more, directly linking Iran to Iraqi violence. It sounds like this was the leverage that was needed to get another cease fire signed.

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It sounds like Iraq finally confronted Iran about their weapons and soldiers in Iraq. After the government took over Basra, they found weapons, computers and more, directly linking Iran to Iraqi violence.

This directly contradicts what MSNBC "Countdown" said yesterday.

They detailed the 20,000 weapons and explosives found so far (in a bulk pile where our military men said "some" was iranian), and said that upon examination by experts, not a SINGLE component had any marking or mnfg linking it to Iran.

This is a major contradiction.  I don't know if I should believe you, or NBC news.  If NBC is lying, that is HUGE.

What evidence do you have, aside from the vague initial report still unchecked by explosives and weapon analysists, that Iran has delivered weapons?
Do you have

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at 1:35, MSNBC details how there was NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that Iran was involved with weapons.

Zero of 20,000 munititions which link Iran to War?  Zero.

What evidence do you have that MSNBC is lying, joker?

[a_joker10]

I don know this, as of last week Iraq claimed that there were Iranian weapons in Iraq.
I also know that a cease fire in Basra was called after Iraq went to Iran to confront them about weapons. In which the Iraqi government has free rain to go after militant or criminals that don't lay down their heavy weapons, a huge loss to Al Sadr.
If the weapons now aren't Iranian so be it, believe what you want.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/05/12/strange_bedfellows_in_iraq/

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I don know this, as of last week Iraq claimed that there were Iranian weapons in Iraq.
I also know that a cease fire in Basra was called after Iraq went to Iran to confront them about weapons. In which the Iraqi government has free rain to go after militant or criminals that don't lay down their heavy weapons, a huge loss to Al Sadr.
If the weapons now aren't Iranian so be it, believe what you want.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/05/12/strange_bedfellows_in_iraq/

I tend to trust NBC news more than an iraqi govt official who gains power, weapons, and funding from making such a statement.

Also if indeed this was the case, and iraq had evidence, FOX news and others would be ALL OVER this, as it finally makes the case definitively for war with Iran.

I'm not trying to flame you, I support bombing the shit out of them if indeed there is solid evidence they are killing our troops.  However we bought the WMD lie without solid evidence - fool me once, shame on you.  If we buy the iran weapons lie with zero evidence, shame on us.  Bush wants to walk out of office with a 3-front war in process.  I hope we require more than 'his word' on this war.

[a_joker10]

It sounds like Iran and Iraq are trying to settle this without the US.
All Iraq wants is for the Iranian sponsored groups and weapons to be out of Iraq.

I happened to agree with this.
In the last 3 months Iraq has made some real diplomatic and military strides with out relying on America first. This includes the push into Basra and the cease fire negotiations with Iran. Hopefully in the next 6 months Mosul will be dealt with and Iran will become even less of an influence in Iraq.

Iran and Iraq don't want to go to war and Iraq doesn't want to be a proxy war between Iran and the US, which is kind of how it is right now.

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that's funny.  iraq/iran have hated each other for years.  now they're buddies and they both want us out.

didn't ahmedijahad visit iraq with much fanfare?   bush had to sneak in, middle of night.

[a_joker10]

Religion my friend, Religion.
One Shia group will not piss off another Shia group.
The Iraq Iran war was Sunni, Shia thing.

One of the biggest realizations that has happen in Iraq is that Shia's are now more powerful then Sunni's, these groups look to be slowly learning to live together without fear of death squads or tyranny.
Who knows if it will work, but if it does, Bush's legacy will be a lot different in many parts of the world then it is now.

There will be elections in Iraq in September or October, this will be first real litmus test of the new Iraq, because all regions will vote.

Iraq is soon to become very wealthy as there southern fields become fully developed, and as more oil revenue comes back to the central government instead of being siphoned off by militant groups.

[The Coach]

Quotes:
no permanent bases in iraq
no binding contracts that future US leaders cannot change
similar to partnerships we have with afghanistan.
my admin will work to complete this standing partnership with iraq in the coming months.


This is some seriously big news...

Link? If he said that, I disagree with it.

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Link? If he said that, I disagree with it.

speech he gave at 10:30 AM on mar 27, 2008.

find the transcripts or youtube if you'd like.  I typed it verbatim as he said it on the screen of FOX news.

'no permanent bases in iraq' was exact quote.

Not that I mind that we have them... just odd he'd deny them, then we see legislation now saying 41 bases for unlimited time..

[The Coach]

speech he gave at 10:30 AM on mar 27, 2008.

find the transcripts or youtube if you'd like.  I typed it verbatim as he said it on the screen of FOX news.

'no permanent bases in iraq' was exact quote.

Not that I mind that we have them... just odd he'd deny them, then we see legislation now saying 41 bases for unlimited time..

Can you stop posting youtubes of Olberman........you act as though he's somekind of legit journalist.

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Can you stop posting youtubes of Olberman........you act as though he's somekind of legit journalist.

I invite you to pull the transcript from that speech that morning.

[The Coach]

I invite you to pull the transcript from that speech that morning.

I don't have time. I have one more client before I'm off to the driving range for a couple of hours. (need to work on my wedge shots and short irons)

[War-Horse]

I don't have time. I have one more client before I'm off to the driving range for a couple of hours. (need to work on my wedge   and    short 

U shouldnt call yourself names.....