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Is he still looking at a 62% rating vs. Sen. Clinton's 40-something% chance of getting the nod for Democratic candidate?
The Other Obama
April 14, 2008; Page A14
opinionjournal.com (http://opinionjournal.com)
This has been a long Presidential campaign, but often usefully so. The Democratic Party fight is helping us learn that there's more to Barack Obama than the eloquent, post-partisan, disciplined purveyor of "hope" that he typically projects.
There's also the Barack Obama who attended Rev. Jeremiah Wright's ("God d--- America") church for 20 years, the one who emerged from the Chicago Democratic machine with friends like Tony Rezko, the one with the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate, and now we learn the one with a Harvard-eye view of American angst.
At an April 6 fund-raiser in San Francisco, this Obama explained to his non-blue-collar donors: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive Administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
As political psychoanalysis, this is what they believe in Cambridge and Hyde Park. Guns and God are the opiate of the masses, who are being gulled by Karl Rove and rich Republicans. If only they embraced their true economic self-interest, these pure saps wouldn't need religion and they wouldn't dislike non-white immigrants.
Mr. Obama's unreflective condescension is reminiscent of the famous 1993 Washington Post article that described evangelical Christians as "poor, undereducated and easy to command." And the fact that he said it so naturally in front of a San Francisco crowd suggests that this is what he may truly believe. This is Mr. Obama's inner Mike Dukakis.
The Senator went into damage-control mode on the weekend, initially defending his comments as what "everybody knows is true," then later saying he "deeply" regretted if his words "offended" some. He also tried to suggest that he really meant to say that economic anxiety prods people to focus on cultural and social issues at the polls. "So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community," Mr. Obama told a crowd in Indiana. But that still diminishes the convictions of those voters who care more about the right to bear arms, or faith in God, than they do about the AFL-CIO's agenda.
Mr. Obama's comments are a gift to Hillary Clinton, who pounced on his "demeaning remarks," presenting herself as more in tune with Pennsylvania values – even reminiscing about how her father taught her to shoot a gun. Mrs. Clinton may have earned an "F" from the National Rifle Association for her Senate voting record, but she'll take any opening she can.
Senator Obama has had a mostly charmed Presidential run, but the truth is there's much that Americans still don't know about him or what he believes.
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Obama hits a 20-point stumble in PA
posted at 11:36 am on April 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
It looks like the voters of small-town Pennsylvania have reacted to Barack Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser in a predictable manner. American Research Group had Obama rising to a tie against Hillary Clinton in the next primary after trailing by double digits for weeks preceding his ascent. Now he has dug himself an even deeper hole than the one he earlier escaped:
Pennsylvania
Democrats Mar
7-8 Mar
26-27 Apr
5-6 Apr
11-13
Clinton 52% 51% 45% 57%
Obama 41% 39% 45% 37%
Someone else 1% 2% 4% 2%
Undecided 6% 8% 6% 4%
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.
Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). …
10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.
That looks very grim for Obama as he heads into working class states such as Indiana and Kentucky. Prior to calling small-town middle America a bunch of xenophobic bigots who cling to guns and religion out of economic bitterness, Obama had made headway in taking those voters away from Hillary Clinton. He had succeeded in convincing them that Hillary was trying to destroy the Democratic party by creating unnecessary divisions. His sop to the Frisco liberal elite has completely undermined that argument and left him vulnerable once again to the overall electability counterargument.
If Obama begins to lose big in these states, the superdelegates will find themselves under even tougher scrutiny. Do they vote for the elitist or the Tuzla Dash candidate? (via Jim Geraghty)
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It's his to lose.
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If he shut up this would be a lock. He's losing in Penn by double digits, which is the only why Hil can make her point. If she wins by 5-6% it means nothing..a win by 20% is another story.
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I experienced great joy is seeing him try and correct the way his intial comments sounded, only because the attempted clarification made it sound that much worse.
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it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.
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it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.
;D
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it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.
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Interesting article by Thomas Sowell.
A Living Lie
Obama's controversial statements in San Francisco are perfectly in line with his Senate record.
Like so many others on the Left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious, and racist working-class people.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWZlODViYjQ0ZDBjNTZlMjM4ZjM2MmU4MjA4ZWUyOGU=
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Interesting article by Thomas Sowell.
A Living Lie
Obama's controversial statements in San Francisco are perfectly in line with his Senate record.
Like so many others on the Left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious, and racist working-class people.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWZlODViYjQ0ZDBjNTZlMjM4ZjM2MmU4MjA4ZWUyOGU=
Uncle Thomas Sowell is very perceptive.
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Uncle Thomas Sowell is very perceptive.
Right. Any "black man" that has conservative values is a sell out. ::)
Finally, a serious response. As the military exists today, yes, I find the whole thing somewhat contemptible... but then I also have a certain amount of contempt for what I do. I work for the same corporations that propagate the ideology that made the military a contemptible tool for some misbegotten Imperialist agenda.
You lost all credibility by admitting contempt for yourself by compromising your principals in favor of your preferences.
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That's about the stupidest thing I've seen posted. If we're comparing Hillary to Obama, yea... really stupid W8...
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Right. Any "black man" that has conservative values is a sell out. ::)
most of the time... most of the time... ;)
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That's about the stupidest thing I've seen posted. If we're comparing Hillary to Obama, yea... really stupid W8...
Not stupid at all. IMO, he comes off as an elitist. If there was a "snobby" pic of Billary I'd post that too.
Plus it made me laugh. ;D
Additionally, I'd have to have blinders on to not see the arrogance a lot of his "supporters" display. You'd think they ripped out pages from the playbook of the extreme religious right.
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Not stupid at all. IMO, he comes off as an elitist. If there was a "snobby" pic of Billary I'd post that too.
Plus it made me laugh. ;D
Additionally, I'd have to have blinders on to not see the arrogance a lot of his "supporters" display. You'd think they ripped out pages from the playbook of the extreme religious right.
snoby as opposed to who bubba ::) Not Bush... Hell even a low guy like Hannity has 100 times the snoby you'll find in Obama, that's a fact.
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snoby as opposed to who bubba ::) Not Bush... Hell even a low guy like Hannity has 100 times the snoby you'll find in Obama, that's a fact.
Hannity's a dick. I appreciate what he does for the military but he comes off as a self righteous dick.
The thing about Obama is that I want to like the guy. When I first started paying attention to him he seemed genuine and authentic. However, his comments lately and his handling of the Rev. Wright fiasco has, IMO, tainted him.
Here's an interesting article on the topic. I think Malkin's a GOP mouthpiece but she makes some good points:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjcyYzcwODFjZjJkODBkNWY3ZjAzY2EyZmY0OTFjM2I=
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Hannity's a dick. I appreciate what he does for the military but he comes off as a self righteous dick.
The thing about Obama is that I want to like the guy. When I first started paying attention to him he seemed genuine and authentic. However, his comments lately and his handling of the Rev. Wright fiasco has, IMO, tainted him.
Think the political game, had he played it the other way, a way that may have pleased you, it very well could have burried him in the political game with Hillary. As he played it, Hillary is gritting her teeth having not come out on top from it. Hearing his speech with what he was up against, he did damn ok... With the Wright thing, Obama truely is a guy in the middle of both of these worlds with valid cause not to side in whole with either. It may not be what we want to hear but the fact is, Wright represents what a lot of Black's feel. That's just a fact. That's not a bad thing in my book and Obama could be exactly what we need now.
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Think the political game, had he played it the other way, a way that may have pleased you, it very well could have burried him in the political game with Hillary. As he played it, Hillary is gritting her teeth having not come out on top from it. Hearing his speech with what he was up against, he did damn ok... With the Wright thing, Obama truely is a guy in the middle of both of these worlds with valid cause not to side in whole with either. It may not be what we want to hear but the fact is, Wright represents what a lot of Black's feel. That's just a fact. That's not a bad thing in my book and Obama could be exactly what we need now.
Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.
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Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.
I can see some of that. I also see a lot of the inspiration. He actually got so inspirational in his speeches for a while that they accused him of having no plan for anything but motivational talk. Remember the criticism of his, "we can" speeches? Then he leaned away from that and now we've forgotten. Blacks do tend to get a preachy overtone when they talk to the crowd. Not sure what that is, but even on that game, Obama is nowhere near as bad as some black politicians. That could be a level of politics too. He wasn't black enough for the longest time and actually Hillary had near as much support early on with Blacks as he did. So that may be a measured level of act or not... I guess I would just say don't forget to see what these politicians have to end up doing to win a campaign. It's pretty universal in the evil profession of politics.
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I can see some of that. I also see a lot of the inspiration. He actually got so inspirational in his speeches for a while that they accused him of having no plan for anything but motivational talk. Remember the criticism of his, "we can" speeches? Then he leaned away from that and now we've forgotten. Blacks do tend to get a preachy overtone when they talk to the crowd. Not sure what that is, but even on that game, Obama is nowhere near as bad as some black politicians. That could be a level of politics too. He wasn't black enough for the longest time and actually Hillary had near as much support early on with Blacks as he did. So that may be a measured level of act or not... I guess I would just say don't forget to see what these politicians have to end up doing to win a campaign. It's pretty universal in the evil profession of politics.
Here ya go, HC. This should crack you up. ;D
Missing Rush Limbaugh
A look ahead.
William Jefferson Clinton watched the two cheerleaders give him a manicure, and realized he missed Rush Limbaugh. The man was always good for a laugh, particularly when he played Hillary’s cackle over and over, or Farrakhan going off about the mothership. The reenactment of the Fairness Doctrine had closed down Rush, and the rest of the talkers who wouldn’t dance to the new tune. You could spin the dial for an hour and never hear anything that got your blood pumping.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmMwZjk2NWIyZjE3MTFiZjg0ZjAxYmY2NWU4Njk3ZWE=&w=MA==
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Here ya go, HC. This should crack you up. ;D
Missing Rush Limbaugh
A look ahead.
William Jefferson Clinton watched the two cheerleaders give him a manicure, and realized he missed Rush Limbaugh. The man was always good for a laugh, particularly when he played Hillary’s cackle over and over, or Farrakhan going off about the mothership. The reenactment of the Fairness Doctrine had closed down Rush, and the rest of the talkers who wouldn’t dance to the new tune. You could spin the dial for an hour and never hear anything that got your blood pumping.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmMwZjk2NWIyZjE3MTFiZjg0ZjAxYmY2NWU4Njk3ZWE=&w=MA==
YIKES! They actually put that on National Review? I would expect something like that more from Hannity's diary lol... Pretty extreme depiction but I can see how the right would get a chuckle yet at the same time grit and say, yup, that's what will happen...
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YIKES! They actually put that on National Review? I would expect something like that more from Hannity's diary lol... Pretty extreme depiction but I can see how the right would get a chuckle yet at the same time grit and say, yup, that's what will happen...
Hannity wasn't even mentioned in that "vision of future." President "Barry" had him locked up for being a traitor to the new ideals of the Peoples Republic of America.
Now if you'll please excuse me, Follow Us to the Promised Land is about to start. ;D
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I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women. Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that. They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)
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I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women. Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that. They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)
... and there was Barry … the president grinning away while he clapped his hands, and Michelle, as usual, looking like she wanted to slap somebody, anybody.
LOL
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Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.
that sounds like you have an insecurity regarding your own intellect
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Polls Show Obama Gaining, Holding Steady in Key States
Despite a weekend of negative coverage following his controversial remarks about some small town Americans, Barack Obama appears to be holding steady or making gains in the next three primary states, according to a just released poll.
Most surprisingly, the new LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows Obama ahead of Hillary Clinton by 5 points in Indiana (40 to 35 percent), a state with demographics that favor the New York senator and one where other recent polls have shown her with a lead.
The poll also shows Clinton only holds a 5 point lead in Pennsylvania (48 to 43 percent). That margin is among the slimmest measured between to the two candidates and is significantly less than the double digit lead Clinton held there two weeks ago.
In North Carolina, the new survey shows Obama with a 13 point lead (47-34 percent), a margin that is consistent with other recent polls in that state.
Pennsylvania votes April 22 while Indiana and North Carolina vote two weeks later on May 6. Should Clinton win in Pennsylvania, some political observers have said she must score a victory in at least one of the May 6 states to make a compelling argument to continue her presidential campaign.
The poll was conducted over five days (April 10-14), the majority of which came after Obama's now famous "bitter" comments first surfaced.
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When ur trying to portray urself as a man of the people and u talk down to Middle America, its a big deal. I'm sure the Dems and media will continue to ignore Obama's faults until its too late. Obama is as full of shit as the rest of them.
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I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women. Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that. They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)
Is it empowered women that you hate? Or just when they're black?
I'm trying to figure out if a political board moderator is saying he hates women, or hates black women?
(Cue BB posting some old post 240 made about scott peterson, or making fun of the fact I'm a stay at home dad, instead of actually addressing the issue that yes, a moderator here is making racist and sexist posts)
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Is it empowered women that you hate? Or just when they're black?
I'm trying to figure out if a political board moderator is saying he hates women, or hates black women?
(Cue BB posting some old post 240 made about scott peterson, or making fun of the fact I'm a stay at home dad, instead of actually addressing the issue that yes, a moderator here is making racist and sexist posts)
Sounds like he has a personal problem (with black women) that he needs to work out, 240.
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that sounds like you have an insecurity regarding your own intellect
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. - Confucius
I'm quite comfortable with who I am and try to live my life guided by my principals.
Part of being a great leader, Benny, is convincing others that your vision of the future is the right one to follow. Not by guilt or shame but through appealing to a man's desire to be a part of something bigger than himself.
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Sounds like he has a personal problem (with black women) that he needs to work out, 240.
That's okay if he has issues.
It's when he wears the 'moderator' tag while working it out that he makes it look like this board is run by sexist thugs. His 'halfrican' posts in the past were a bit unsettling, but this outright admission that he hates to see empowered black woman... well, it's not the image I want the political board having, that's for sure.
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Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. - Confucius
I'm quite comfortable with who I am and try to live my life guided by my principals.
Part of being a great leader, Benny, is convincing others that your vision of the future is the right one to follow. Not by guilt or shame but through appealing to a man's desire to be a part of something bigger than himself.
I think Obama's doing pretty well in the inspiration department w8tlftr, given the fact that he has generated voting in record numbers in the primaries. He is winning the youth vote by huge margins, and the young are the group most likely to be inspired by politicians. As people grow older they often become more cynical and hardened in their beliefs and prejudices.
Just because Obama's speech makes you feel inadequate does not mean he is not inspiring millions of other people.
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The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country. He has stood up for a racist pastor. He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet. What exactly has this guy inspired. He started out with all this high flying nonsense, since then its been about race, religion and guns. What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government. He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions. He's backed off pulling out of Iraq and his economic policies as laid out are too expensive to accomplish. Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him....whatever dude..glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
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He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet.
If this is true, he'll be thoroughly exposed and rattled in the debates with Mccain.
Same with mccain. If he's an angry fearmonger who snaps at people, that'll be exposed too.
Bush was exposed as a simple man, and kerry was exposed as an elitist snob, in their debates.
this whole election depends on the debate. Mccain forgetting who the enemy was 6 times, and obama's pastor, don't matter much. it all comes down to who the American idol-viewing public likes more on TV in the debates, a stark contrast between old and new up there.
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The best debates will be where they can sorta cross examine each other. I have watched Obama on Russert and he has gotten shaken up...he says crazy things when not prepared...invaded pakistan, no nukes, the Penn quote.
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I think Obama's doing pretty well in the inspiration department w8tlftr, given the fact that he has generated voting in record numbers in the primaries. He is winning the youth vote by huge margins, and the young are the group most likely to be inspired by politicians. As people grow older they often become more cynical and hardened in their beliefs and prejudices.
Just because Obama's speech makes you feel inadequate does not mean he is not inspiring millions of other people.
Inadequate? At what point in any of my posts did I ever say that? Is that your qualified psychological analysis, Dr. Benny?
There is no denying he is "inspiring" millions of young voters but I'm curious to know how many of those young voters have spent any significant time in the real world working, paying taxes, or lived abroad in countries less affluent than the United States? Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say their opinion matters less than that of an older voter. I'm saying that when you're young your view of the world, and how it works, is much different than the one you have when you're older.
There's a good reason why people become wiser (and even more cynical and hardened) as they age. Experience is a hell of a teacher.
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When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
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When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
come on HH6,
do you really think the military presence overseas will be THAT MUCH different under obama or hilary than it will under mccain?
they're all going to do pretty much the same thing. Obama might pull out more troops initially to show his lib base that he means business, but at the end of 4 years, we're still going to be proxy fighting iran, we're still going to be living large in bases on iraq protecting oil infrastructure, and the candidate will still be blaming the other party's congress for whatever crapstorm we're in next.
there isn't going to be a lot of difference between whoever is in power.
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When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
When I was young and inexperienced I had a completely different view of the world. Living in an insulated bubble does that to a person. It's easy (and convenient) to think that the government should provide for everything.
I see it today with my kids. It amazes me how they to try to justify colorful ways to spend my money. Nothing is ever appreciated if you never have to work for it.
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The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country. He has stood up for a racist pastor. He has a hard time when he speaks without prepared speeches. I don't mean Bush like, I mean he can't think on his feet. What exactly has this guy inspired. He started out with all this high flying nonsense, since then its been about race, religion and guns. What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government. He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions. He's backed off pulling out of Iraq and his economic policies as laid out are too expensive to accomplish. Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him....whatever dude..glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
Your hatred is palpable! ;D
What will you do when this "black man" is elected? haha You will likely have a heart attack. ;D
If Obama can't speak without "prepared speeches", how does he survive in all of the debates thus far? He's won the last couple of debates against Hillary if you have not watched. Your hero John McCain is FAR worse than Obama without prepared text. He can't even get his facts straight on Iraq, which is supposed to be his strength.
The guy dismissed an entire segment of the country.
In what way did Obama "dismiss" a segment of the country by telling the truth? You'll have to explain this further.
He has stood up for a racist pastor.
What did the Rev. Wright say that was racist? Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. was "racist" too? I don't normally expect a pastor to use some of the word Wright used in the pulpit, but I do not see racism in his speeches.
What does he stand for besides higher taxes and big government.
Healthcare for all, getting us out of Iraq, more robust diplomacy in foriegn affairs, for starters. Your hero McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years and tax cuts for the wealthy. Why give Americans "straight talk" when you can just promise them lower taxes and pass the deficit to the next president?
He has never...never reached across the isle on any major legislation...he's done very little in Congress.. hell most of his supporters are hard pressed to name his positions.
I just named a few of his positions...I doubt you are in a position to explain how knowledgeable most of Obama's supporters are.
Half the people who voite fopr him hate Hil more then they like him
Please show me where you got your number that half of Obama's supporters are voting against Hillary instead of for Obama. Hillary is most certainly polarizing, but I don't believe people come out to vote in primaries to vote against a candidate. That is more likely in a general election.
glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight who would have been dismissed had Hil not been afraid of his skin color. She had plenty to attack but her own race issues did not allow her to attack his postions, thinking she she would be attacking a black man.
Black men have been attacked and demonized in American politics for hundreds of years. Why is now any different? I hardly see being black as an advantage. If it was/is, then why is Obama the only black person in the senate?
glad u like ur guy but he's a lightweight
As opposed to the guy who graduated at the bottom of his class in high school and college, and has used his POW status to push forward his political ambition?
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there isn't going to be a lot of difference between whoever is in power.
Quoted for truth.
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The best debates will be where they can sorta cross examine each other. I have watched Obama on Russert and he has gotten shaken up...he says crazy things when not prepared...invaded pakistan, no nukes, the Penn quote.
And McCain hasn't gotten rattled? ::) He is a terrible public speaker. The guy can't even get the facts straight on Iraq.
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Inadequate? At what point in any of my posts did I ever say that?
You did not have to "say" it for it to come through in your words.
Is that your qualified psychological analysis, Dr. Benny?
I'm not a doctor, but I played one on tv. :D
There is no denying he is "inspiring" millions of young voters but I'm curious to know how many of those young voters have spent any significant time in the real world working, paying taxes, or lived abroad in countries less affluent than the United States?
So if you are in college your thoughts and opinions are irrelevant? Obama is leading among voters under 45. I think most of those people have worked and paid taxes. ::) As far as living abroad, I agree that living overseas is a great experience. However, 70% of Americans don't even own a passport. I bet most who have the experience of living in third world countries, such as Peace Corps volunteers, vote democrat.
There's a good reason why people become wiser (and even more cynical and hardened) as they age. Experience is a hell of a teacher.
Not all people become wiser as they age. ;)
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And McCain hasn't gotten rattled? ::) He is a terrible public speaker. The guy can't even get the facts straight on Iraq.
The debates will show all.
Personally, I thought Obama was mr GQ in the debates with hilary. Russert rattles everyone. Russert closed down the Ron paul movement in 15 seconds.
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When all u here is hope and change....as a young person I guess that sounds good, until u tune back out to American Idol or Viva la Bam. I'd rather not have 18-24 year olds deciding who gets to be my boss. Anybody who was watching Power Rangers while I was preparing to "invade" Haiti does not have a full grasp of whats going on.
So at what age would Americans have the right to vote in your world?
The debates will show all.
Personally, I thought Obama was mr GQ in the debates with hilary. Russert rattles everyone. Russert closed down the Ron paul movement in 15 seconds.
Bush was the perfect Manchurian Candidate in the debates against Gore. He had the ability to memorize the Karl Rove talking points and never get too rattled against a guy clearly smarter than he. I don't see McCain being able to do the "Manchurian thing" as well.
Personally, I think the debates simply harden people's previous views.