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What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« on: April 14, 2008, 10:15:58 AM »
Is he still looking at a 62% rating vs. Sen. Clinton's 40-something% chance of getting the nod for Democratic candidate?

The Other Obama
April 14, 2008; Page A14
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This has been a long Presidential campaign, but often usefully so. The Democratic Party fight is helping us learn that there's more to Barack Obama than the eloquent, post-partisan, disciplined purveyor of "hope" that he typically projects.

There's also the Barack Obama who attended Rev. Jeremiah Wright's ("God d--- America") church for 20 years, the one who emerged from the Chicago Democratic machine with friends like Tony Rezko, the one with the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate, and now we learn the one with a Harvard-eye view of American angst.

At an April 6 fund-raiser in San Francisco, this Obama explained to his non-blue-collar donors: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive Administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

As political psychoanalysis, this is what they believe in Cambridge and Hyde Park. Guns and God are the opiate of the masses, who are being gulled by Karl Rove and rich Republicans. If only they embraced their true economic self-interest, these pure saps wouldn't need religion and they wouldn't dislike non-white immigrants.

Mr. Obama's unreflective condescension is reminiscent of the famous 1993 Washington Post article that described evangelical Christians as "poor, undereducated and easy to command." And the fact that he said it so naturally in front of a San Francisco crowd suggests that this is what he may truly believe. This is Mr. Obama's inner Mike Dukakis.

The Senator went into damage-control mode on the weekend, initially defending his comments as what "everybody knows is true," then later saying he "deeply" regretted if his words "offended" some. He also tried to suggest that he really meant to say that economic anxiety prods people to focus on cultural and social issues at the polls. "So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community," Mr. Obama told a crowd in Indiana. But that still diminishes the convictions of those voters who care more about the right to bear arms, or faith in God, than they do about the AFL-CIO's agenda.

Mr. Obama's comments are a gift to Hillary Clinton, who pounced on his "demeaning remarks," presenting herself as more in tune with Pennsylvania values – even reminiscing about how her father taught her to shoot a gun. Mrs. Clinton may have earned an "F" from the National Rifle Association for her Senate voting record, but she'll take any opening she can.

Senator Obama has had a mostly charmed Presidential run, but the truth is there's much that Americans still don't know about him or what he believes.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 01:43:07 PM »
Obama hits a 20-point stumble in PA
posted at 11:36 am on April 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey


It looks like the voters of small-town Pennsylvania have reacted to Barack Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser in a predictable manner. American Research Group had Obama rising to a tie against Hillary Clinton in the next primary after trailing by double digits for weeks preceding his ascent. Now he has dug himself an even deeper hole than the one he earlier escaped:

    Pennsylvania
    Democrats    Mar
    7-8    Mar
    26-27    Apr
    5-6    Apr
    11-13
     
    Clinton    52%    51%    45%    57%
    Obama    41%    39%    45%    37%
    Someone else    1%    2%    4%    2%
    Undecided    6%    8%    6%    4%

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

    Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). …

    10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

That looks very grim for Obama as he heads into working class states such as Indiana and Kentucky. Prior to calling small-town middle America a bunch of xenophobic bigots who cling to guns and religion out of economic bitterness, Obama had made headway in taking those voters away from Hillary Clinton. He had succeeded in convincing them that Hillary was trying to destroy the Democratic party by creating unnecessary divisions. His sop to the Frisco liberal elite has completely undermined that argument and left him vulnerable once again to the overall electability counterargument.

If Obama begins to lose big in these states, the superdelegates will find themselves under even tougher scrutiny. Do they vote for the elitist or the Tuzla Dash candidate? (via Jim Geraghty)

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 06:29:35 PM »
It's his to lose.


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 06:32:08 PM »
If he shut up this would be a lock. He's losing in Penn by double digits, which is the only why Hil can make her point. If she wins by 5-6% it means nothing..a win by 20% is another story.
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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 07:12:35 PM »
I experienced great joy is seeing him try and correct the way his intial comments  sounded, only because the attempted clarification made it sound that much worse.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 07:26:23 PM »
it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 07:27:55 PM »
it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 02:58:28 AM »
it was always a given the Hag would win penn. she does better among uneducated, uncivilized rural peasants. obama will win where it actually matters, the cities.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 03:21:09 AM »
Interesting article by Thomas Sowell.

A Living Lie
Obama's controversial statements in San Francisco are perfectly in line with his Senate record.

Like so many others on the Left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious, and racist working-class people.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWZlODViYjQ0ZDBjNTZlMjM4ZjM2MmU4MjA4ZWUyOGU=


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 07:09:42 PM »
Interesting article by Thomas Sowell.

A Living Lie
Obama's controversial statements in San Francisco are perfectly in line with his Senate record.

Like so many others on the Left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious, and racist working-class people.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWZlODViYjQ0ZDBjNTZlMjM4ZjM2MmU4MjA4ZWUyOGU=



Uncle Thomas Sowell is very perceptive.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 03:24:27 AM »
Uncle Thomas Sowell is very perceptive.

Right. Any "black man" that has conservative values is a sell out.  ::)

Finally, a serious response.  As the military exists today, yes, I find the whole thing somewhat contemptible... but then I also have a certain amount of contempt for what I do.  I work for the same corporations that propagate the ideology that made the military a contemptible tool for some misbegotten Imperialist agenda. 

You lost all credibility by admitting contempt for yourself by compromising your principals in favor of your preferences.





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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2008, 03:36:56 AM »

That's about the stupidest thing I've seen posted.  If we're comparing Hillary to Obama, yea... really stupid W8...

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2008, 03:39:51 AM »
Right. Any "black man" that has conservative values is a sell out.  ::)

most of the time... most of the time...  ;)

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2008, 03:47:03 AM »
That's about the stupidest thing I've seen posted.  If we're comparing Hillary to Obama, yea... really stupid W8...

Not stupid at all. IMO, he comes off as an elitist. If there was a "snobby" pic of Billary I'd post that too.

Plus it made me laugh.  ;D

Additionally, I'd have to have blinders on to not see the arrogance a lot of his "supporters" display. You'd think they ripped out pages from the playbook of the extreme religious right.




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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2008, 04:12:26 AM »
Not stupid at all. IMO, he comes off as an elitist. If there was a "snobby" pic of Billary I'd post that too.

Plus it made me laugh.  ;D

Additionally, I'd have to have blinders on to not see the arrogance a lot of his "supporters" display. You'd think they ripped out pages from the playbook of the extreme religious right.




snoby as opposed to who bubba ::) Not Bush...  Hell even a low guy like Hannity has 100 times the snoby you'll find in Obama, that's a fact.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 04:26:56 AM »
snoby as opposed to who bubba ::) Not Bush...  Hell even a low guy like Hannity has 100 times the snoby you'll find in Obama, that's a fact.

Hannity's a dick. I appreciate what he does for the military but he comes off as a self righteous dick.

The thing about Obama is that I want to like the guy. When I first started paying attention to him he seemed genuine and authentic. However, his comments lately and his handling of the Rev. Wright fiasco has, IMO, tainted him.

Here's an interesting article on the topic. I think Malkin's a GOP mouthpiece but she makes some good points:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjcyYzcwODFjZjJkODBkNWY3ZjAzY2EyZmY0OTFjM2I=

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2008, 04:39:05 AM »
Hannity's a dick. I appreciate what he does for the military but he comes off as a self righteous dick.

The thing about Obama is that I want to like the guy. When I first started paying attention to him he seemed genuine and authentic. However, his comments lately and his handling of the Rev. Wright fiasco has, IMO, tainted him.


Think the political game, had he played it the other way, a way that may have pleased you, it very well could have burried him in the political game with Hillary.  As he played it, Hillary is gritting her teeth having not come out on top from it.  Hearing his speech with what he was up against, he did damn ok...  With the Wright thing, Obama truely is a guy in the middle of both of these worlds with valid cause not to side in whole with either.  It may not be what we want to hear but the fact is, Wright represents what a lot of Black's feel.  That's just a fact.  That's not a bad thing in my book and Obama could be exactly what we need now.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2008, 04:43:41 AM »
Think the political game, had he played it the other way, a way that may have pleased you, it very well could have burried him in the political game with Hillary.  As he played it, Hillary is gritting her teeth having not come out on top from it.  Hearing his speech with what he was up against, he did damn ok...  With the Wright thing, Obama truely is a guy in the middle of both of these worlds with valid cause not to side in whole with either.  It may not be what we want to hear but the fact is, Wright represents what a lot of Black's feel.  That's just a fact.  That's not a bad thing in my book and Obama could be exactly what we need now.

Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2008, 04:54:29 AM »
Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.


I can see some of that.  I also see a lot of the inspiration.  He actually got so inspirational in his speeches for a while that they accused him of having no plan for anything but motivational talk.  Remember the criticism of his, "we can" speeches?  Then he leaned away from that and now we've forgotten.  Blacks do tend to get a preachy overtone when they talk to the crowd.  Not sure what that is, but even on that game, Obama is nowhere near as bad as some black politicians.  That could be a level of politics too.  He wasn't black enough for the longest time and actually Hillary had near as much support early on with Blacks as he did.  So that may be a measured level of act or not...  I guess I would just say don't forget to see what these politicians have to end up doing to win a campaign.  It's pretty universal in the evil profession of politics.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2008, 05:08:08 AM »
I can see some of that.  I also see a lot of the inspiration.  He actually got so inspirational in his speeches for a while that they accused him of having no plan for anything but motivational talk.  Remember the criticism of his, "we can" speeches?  Then he leaned away from that and now we've forgotten.  Blacks do tend to get a preachy overtone when they talk to the crowd.  Not sure what that is, but even on that game, Obama is nowhere near as bad as some black politicians.  That could be a level of politics too.  He wasn't black enough for the longest time and actually Hillary had near as much support early on with Blacks as he did.  So that may be a measured level of act or not...  I guess I would just say don't forget to see what these politicians have to end up doing to win a campaign.  It's pretty universal in the evil profession of politics.

Here ya go, HC. This should crack you up.  ;D

Missing Rush Limbaugh
A look ahead.

William Jefferson Clinton watched the two cheerleaders give him a manicure, and realized he missed Rush Limbaugh. The man was always good for a laugh, particularly when he played Hillary’s cackle over and over, or Farrakhan going off about the mothership. The reenactment of the Fairness Doctrine had closed down Rush, and the rest of the talkers who wouldn’t dance to the new tune. You could spin the dial for an hour and never hear anything that got your blood pumping.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmMwZjk2NWIyZjE3MTFiZjg0ZjAxYmY2NWU4Njk3ZWE=&w=MA==


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 05:20:37 AM »
Here ya go, HC. This should crack you up.  ;D

Missing Rush Limbaugh
A look ahead.

William Jefferson Clinton watched the two cheerleaders give him a manicure, and realized he missed Rush Limbaugh. The man was always good for a laugh, particularly when he played Hillary’s cackle over and over, or Farrakhan going off about the mothership. The reenactment of the Fairness Doctrine had closed down Rush, and the rest of the talkers who wouldn’t dance to the new tune. You could spin the dial for an hour and never hear anything that got your blood pumping.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmMwZjk2NWIyZjE3MTFiZjg0ZjAxYmY2NWU4Njk3ZWE=&w=MA==


YIKES!  They actually put that on National Review?  I would expect something like that more from Hannity's diary lol...  Pretty extreme depiction but I can see how the right would get a chuckle yet at the same time grit and say, yup, that's what will happen...

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 05:24:02 AM »
YIKES!  They actually put that on National Review?  I would expect something like that more from Hannity's diary lol...  Pretty extreme depiction but I can see how the right would get a chuckle yet at the same time grit and say, yup, that's what will happen...

Hannity wasn't even mentioned in that "vision of future." President "Barry" had him locked up for being a traitor to the new ideals of the Peoples Republic of America.

Now if you'll please excuse me, Follow Us to the Promised Land is about to start.  ;D


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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 05:27:29 AM »
I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D  Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women.  Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that.  They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2008, 06:03:37 AM »
I will say the depiction of Michelle is prolly right ;D  Not a big fan of hot poker in the ass almighty black women.  Even black comedians go there so I don't feel bad about saying that.  They need to cool the fuck down for a minute :)

... and there was Barry … the president grinning away while he clapped his hands, and Michelle, as usual, looking like she wanted to slap somebody, anybody.

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Re: What Are Sen. Obama's Poll Numbers Looking Like?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2008, 06:54:23 AM »
Good points but I still can't shake the impression that, at times, he preaches or talks down vs. trying to inspire and lead.


that sounds like you have an insecurity regarding your own intellect
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