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This is a serious thread, so all you comedians please take your jokes to the 4 dozen or so other Brewer threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, suppose Trey Brewer came to you (Blockhead, Troponin, Derek Anthony, Disgusted, Alex A, or anyone else who does contest prep) today, and asked you to take over the rest of the prep for the Junior Nats and USA's.
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
Serious academic thread here, so again no comedy please.
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I would tell him to off himself.
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Kind of looks like he has taken the advice for our #1 personal trainer Vince Goodrum M.D., BSA, FN, SM, ETC
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This is a serious thread, so all you comedians please take your jokes to the 4 dozen or so other Brewer threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, suppose Trey Brewer came to you (Blockhead, Troponin, Derek Anthony, Disgusted, Alex A, or anyone else who does contest prep) today, and asked you to take over the rest of the prep for the Junior Nats and USA's.
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
Serious academic thread here, so again no comedy please.
I'd ask "who ate all of the pies?"
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So much for serious! :P
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;D ;D
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
Two Words;
CRYSTAL METH! ....and maybe a few cans of tune a day... ::)
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I would ask whether he is related to this guy.
(http://skitzzo.com/images/michelin.jpg)
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Spare us your lame attempts at being funny.
I really mean for this thread to be a serious academic discussion between qualified people.
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Put a padlock on the fridge, move to some where remote with a gym nearby and no fast food, take his care keys, and set out his near zero carb rations for the day, and record him on film doing 2 hrs of cardio a day.
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In order to know what advice to give him, you need to FIRST know what got him to this point. That's where you start. Until you know that, there's no point in even guessing what advice to give him.
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Spare us your lame attempts at being funny.
I really mean for this thread to be a serious academic discussion between qualified people.
LMAO! ;D
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Less ice cream!
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Less ice cream!
Some of you guys are really talented at this graphics stuff. Impressive ;D
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He should be doing more cardio.., He doesnt even look like hes seen a treadmill in a year or so..
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This is a serious thread, so all you comedians please take your jokes to the 4 dozen or so other Brewer threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, suppose Trey Brewer came to you (Blockhead, Troponin, Derek Anthony, Disgusted, Alex A, or anyone else who does contest prep) today, and asked you to take over the rest of the prep for the Junior Nats and USA's.
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
My advice would be to use the extra weight to his advantage. Skip the USA and get shredded for the Nationals. Of course, he could be like Lee Priest and may not need to diet for long to be shredded.
A poor placing at the USA can cause him to lose momentum.
Serious academic thread here, so again no comedy please.
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This is a serious thread, so all you comedians please take your jokes to the 4 dozen or so other Brewer threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, suppose Trey Brewer came to you (Blockhead, Troponin, Derek Anthony, Disgusted, Alex A, or anyone else who does contest prep) today, and asked you to take over the rest of the prep for the Junior Nats and USA's.
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
Serious academic thread here, so again no comedy please.
Without comedy if 'LunchBox/LunchTrey' asked me to help dial him in for JrNats? I would have him do exactly this...
Cardio: I would have him on the treadmill at an incline in the 4.0-6.0 range w/ speed in the 3.0-3.5 range for 70 full minutes every morning(6:00am) up until Wednesday before the show. I'd advise him to keep his HR in the 118-124 range the entire time. Him having no real job I'd also have him perform another 45-60 minutes of the same type of cardio in the evening(8:00pm) as I would assume having no job allows you to train in the early afternoon or late morning.
Training: I wouldn't care as he can train himself. I'd just encourage him to keep his rest between sets no longer than 1 minute for anything upperbody and no more than 2 minutes for LEGS.
Diet: I would have him eating a higher fats, consistent protein and low carb diet. Based on the pictures I've seen I'd tell him to have 5 SOLID meals a day and 1 LIQUID meal(post-workout) only. I'd want him to shrink his stomach down a little bit. Or a lotta bit. I would probably tell him NO MORE than 350-375g of protein daily, 80-90g of fats daily and his trace carbs from veggies etc would probably be in the 50g range. ZERO sugar. ZERO animal fat so I'd have him be mindful of his red meat. As it got closer to the show I would have him cycle his fats. 4 days very low fats, 2 days moderate fats and 1 day NO fats. I'd also bring down his protein a little getting as low(for him) as 300g/day only. He'd hurt as his stomach is used to 9-10 meals and 10,000 calories but this is an extreme case here. Then as it got closer I would maybe have him have only 1 or 2 days of fats with his meals and the rest of the week a lean protein source and green veggies only. Maybe once every 10 days I'd have him eat a couple hundred grams of carbs in the form of yams or something. That would eventually be taken away, though.
Gear: No androgens. Anabolics only. Mild. Never breaking over 1g/week. More isn't better. I may even extend his life a little bit. Primo/winstrol/tren type of cocktail. I'd make him bring his gh down to 4-6iu's a day instead of 8-10iu's. I'd dump the T3 and DNP and see what plain ECA/clen 2 week ON and 2 week OFF does for him taking up to 140mcg of clen daily and ECA 2-3x's a day. Maybe.
That's in a nutshell off the top of my head. I don't know. I'd have to really sit and think about it and interview him and get an idea of what he is used to, open to and objects to. I would want him to justify why he eats 800-1000g of protein a day and give me definitive answers besides.."I dunno, thats what my trainer says to do..."
Good question.
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Thank you, Block, for the first serious answer in this thread. I will re-read your post carefully now.
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How many weeeks out is he?
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How many weeeks out is he?
8, I think?
If I am not mistaken, Junior Nats is in the third week of June.
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8, I think?
If I am not mistaken, Junior Nats is in the third week of June.
Then my honest advise would be not to do the show.
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Then my honest advise would be not to do the show.
What about USA's in July?
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What about USA's in July?
4 extra weeks will not make much difference. A guy should be ready at least 2 weeks out. (ripped)
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8 weeks and 4 days til Trey brewer is scheduled to step onstage.
of course the rumor mill has him rescheduling, but I think he could pull it together nearly in time.
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Then my honest advise would be not to do the show.
BINGO! The best answer.
What excuse do you think Team LunchTrey will use as the reason why he pulls out of the show, Jim?
My money is on either the flu or a mild injury.
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Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies :)
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Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies :)
So if he doesn't eat 600g proten he is just going to wither away?
Shut up
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So if he doesn't eat 600g proten he is just going to wither away?
Shut up
How much protein would you have him eat then bigmout?
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BINGO! The best answer.
What excuse do you think Team LunchTrey will use as the reason why he pulls out of the show, Jim?
My money is on either the flu or a mild injury.
Well, the excuse I would use would be the truth. Whether it was the trainers fault or his own. Nothing wrong with just saying that I screwed up and have learned a lession. I have always recommened staying fairly lean in the offseason.
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Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies :)
Thank you for that very nice visual. I was going to have dinner... but not any more.
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FAKE AN INJURY and actually diet for next year! :)
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How much protein would you have him eat then bigmout?
Dude what the fuck is anyone going to do with 600g of protein? Are you kidding me?
Disgusted, speak on this. SIX HUNDRED GRAMS OF PROTEIN....AHAHAHHAHAHAH A.
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Thanks again for the serious replies.
Apparently The Lunch's "nutritionist" spoke to the Mascara Mafia on All-Bull Radio, saying he is on track etc...
What do y'all make of that?
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Thanks again for the serious replies.
Apparently The Lunch's "nutritionist" spoke to the Mascara Mafia on All-Bull Radio, saying he is on track etc...
What do y'all make of that?
I make that he's going to go with 'mild injury so we're going to go into the USA's healthy' excuse.
What will be even worse is that he comes to the Jr.Nationals looking 3 weeks out and still manages to win.
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Dude what the fuck is anyone going to do with 600g of protein? Are you kidding me?
Disgusted, speak on this. SIX HUNDRED GRAMS OF PROTEIN....AHAHAHHAHAHAH A.
It will give him the runny shits...
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HE said 600 grams of protein in the abcense of carbs
HAVE YOU SEEN TREY SUPPOSED OFF SEASON DIET?
THE DUDE EATS A LOT
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CALORIES 600 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS?
2400.
IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS.
YOULL NEED AT LEAST THAT MUCH.
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Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies :)
hahahhahahaa, no one needs 600 grams of protein you fuccking moron.
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HE said 600 grams of protein in the abcense of carbs
HAVE YOU SEEN TREY SUPPOSED OFF SEASON DIET?
THE DUDE EATS A LOT
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CALORIES 600 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS?
2400.
IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS.
YOULL NEED AT LEAST THAT MUCH.
I disagree. Completely.
He wouldn't need much more than 300-350g of protein a day to hold that muscle and I'm being generous. On gear, which keeps you in a constant positive nitrogen balance, he could get away with less than 300g.
Think. Plenty of quality growing physiques in Club Fed. They probably get less than 100g of protein a day.
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I make that he's going to go with 'mild injury so we're going to go into the USA's healthy' excuse.
What will be even worse is that he comes to the Jr.Nationals looking 3 weeks out and still manages to win.
You think he has a shot of winning the Junior Nats? Or the superheavies at least?
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hahahhahaa, 600 grams of protein to rebuild the MASSIVE damage from their 12 set chest workouts followed by the arduous 100 foot walk to the car to drive home. :o
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in the abcense of carbs
he doesnt need 600 grams of protein, perse, but he does need calories to support his muscle mass... where des he get those calories? well, not carbs...i GUESS, you could go with fats for SOME of those, but you still gotta have most of it as protein
muscle takes calories, whether it be fats or carbs, to sustain itself, with a lack of calories, he wont hold much muscle... the gear will help reatin muscle...but its not fool proof
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hahahhahaa, 600 grams of protein to rebuild the MASSIVE damage from their 12 set chest workouts followed by the arduous 100 foot walk to the car to drive home. :o
but its in place of carbs..its protei to be used as energy instead of muscle protien.
i dont think he meant he will utlize 600 grams of protien in the form of amino acids..i think he meant hell utilize it as glucose via conversion
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youve got to consider that if he has a minimum , lets say, 200 grams of carbs a day hes got get...then he needs 400 grams of protein, if hes using no carbs, cuz protein converts to glucose at a rate of 2=1 in the body
and then on top of that, hell ned to consume his actuall protein needs
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but its in place of carbs..its protei to be used as energy instead of muscle protien.
i dont think he meant he will utlize 600 grams of protien in the form of amino acids..i think he meant hell utilize it as glucose via conversion
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youve got to consider that if he has a minimum , lets say, 200 grams of carbs a day hes got get...then he needs 400 grams of protein, if hes using no carbs, cuz protein converts to glucose at a rate of 2=1 in the body
and then on top of that, hell ned to consume his actuall protein needs
I doubt it. He should be eating 300-350g of protein and 12-20g of fats per meal for 6 meals maybe 7. TOPS. He needs to shrink his stomach down and hurt a little bit.
I eat 2 times a day now. Maybe 3 if I am lucky and I am just as strong and maybe stronger on some lifts and the only 'supplements" I use is creatine/dextrose combo post-workout. I haven't had a protein shake in months. I would guesstimate my protein intake is about 200g or less a day. Probably 150g. People keep asking me what I'm "on".
Conclusion? Put the magazines down. You don't need that much protein. You won't breakdown muscle that easily and neither will LunchTrey. Unless he diecides to starve himself and run a 10K marathon 3x's a week he aint losing muscle.
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okay block. thatfs fine. im not going to sit here and argue with you about what somebody should or should not be eating...when NIETHER of us have any lue as to the guys BMR, his training. his cardio, what gear heusing, or anythin at all.
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I doubt it. He should be eating 300-350g of protein and 12-20g of fats per meal for 6 meals maybe 7. TOPS. He needs to shrink his stomach down and hurt a little bit.
I eat 2 times a day now. Maybe 3 if I am lucky and I am just as strong and maybe stronger on some lifts and the only 'supplements" I use is creatine/dextrose combo post-workout. I haven't had a protein shake in months. I would guesstimate my protein intake is about 200g or less a day. Probably 150g. People keep asking me what I'm "on".
Conclusion? Put the magazines down. You don't need that much protein. You won't breakdown muscle that easily and neither will LunchTrey. Unless he diecides to starve himself and run a 10K marathon 3x's a week he aint losing muscle.
If he eats "sufficient" protein it doesn't matter much what the rest of the calories come from IMO. I don't really think you get more ripped by going zero carb and substituting carb calories with fat calories.
How much he eats depends a lot on what drugs he's on and how much cardio he does. What you suggest might be a little light if he's on heavy thyroids, etc.
I agree with you that meal frequency isn't that important. However, calories do matter. I doubt your meals are as small as when you were eating more meals. You are making up for the calories somehow.
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I would tell him to get out of my sight and go be fat somewhere else...
jk
Honestly I would just tell him to go on a diet lol
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okay block. thatfs fine. im not going to sit here and argue with you about what somebody should or should not be eating...when NIETHER of us have any lue as to the guys BMR, his training. his cardio, what gear heusing, or anythin at all.
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If he eats "sufficient" protein it doesn't matter much what the rest of the calories come from IMO. I don't really think you get more ripped by going zero carb and substituting carb calories with fat calories.
How much he eats depends a lot on what drugs he's on and how much cardio he does. What you suggest might be a little light if he's on heavy thyroids, etc.
I agree with you that meal frequency isn't that important. However, calories do matter. I doubt your meals are as small as when you were eating more meals. You are making up for the calories somehow.
yes it woud matter the source of his calories van. depleted glycogen=faster fat metabolism, lower insulin=faster fat metabolism,. more protein=more thermic effect
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They should post a wanted picture of Trey at every fastfood establishment across the country.
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yes it woud matter the source of his calories van. depleted glycogen=faster fat metabolism, lower insulin=faster fat metabolism,. more protein=more thermic effect
If protein is the same between the diets, fat and carb distribution matters little as far as fat loss. How do you think Alex Azarian gets so ripped by eating oatmeal and brown sugar? You don't have to zero carb to get absolutely diced.
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If protein is the same between the diets, fat and carb distribution matters little as far as fat loss. How do you think Alex Azarian gets so ripped by eating oatmeal and brown sugar? You don't have to zero carb to get absolutely diced.
gh and lots of cardio
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Twizzlers, couple of snickers and some KFC should be enough to keep you ripped year round... No cardio
Lockett told me so :)
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yes it woud matter the source of his calories van. depleted glycogen=faster fat metabolism, lower insulin=faster fat metabolism,. more protein=more thermic effect
SIMPLY PUT. How simpller can this get. Candidizzle just gave the only info you need on contest prep in a single sentence. Follow this formula, you don't need any expert advice, this is the diet that will take you to contest. This is how I get shredded and may others. What would fatfather i mean squadfather know he has never been below 20%.
The protein I mentioned (600) is not for tissue repair only, it also serves to raise the matabolism. Remember we are talking about a 300 pounder.
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SIMPLY PUT. How simpller can this get. Candidizzle just gave the only info you need on contest prep in a single sentence. Follow this formula, you don't need any expert advice, this is the diet that will take you to contest. This is how I get shredded and may others. What would fatfather i mean squadfather know he has never been below 20%.
The protein I mentioned (600) is not for tissue repair only, it also serves to raise the matabolism. Remember we are talking about a 300 pounder.
Dude hes like 5'9. What do you honestly think hes going to be when hes on stage? 240-250 tops.
I like Candi, and at least what he says has some semblance of knowledge. You are just dumb.
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This is a serious thread, so all you comedians please take your jokes to the 4 dozen or so other Brewer threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, suppose Trey Brewer came to you (Blockhead, Troponin, Derek Anthony, Disgusted, Alex A, or anyone else who does contest prep) today, and asked you to take over the rest of the prep for the Junior Nats and USA's.
What would you advise him to do? In terms of cardio, nutrition, and training, what would your advice be?
Serious academic thread here, so again no comedy please.
Hi Columbus..........Next time, write "this is a comic thread"....You will get the serious responses you were trying to get!!!! :-X All kidding aside... ;)
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Hi Columbus..........Next time, write "this is a comic thread"....You will get the serious responses you were trying to get!!!! :-X All kidding aside... ;)
Why won't Derek weigh in on this thread? Doesn't he like us any more?
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Dude hes like 5'9. What do you honestly think hes going to be when hes on stage? 240-250 tops.
I like Candi, and at least what he says has some semblance of knowledge. You are just dumb.
Do you know anything about bodybuilding? Have you've been ultra shredded before? Have you won your category and an overall? If so post a pic of your ultra shredded physique. If you will not show respect to someone who knows how to get shredded without knowing how yourself how then obviously you aren't even in my category. I don't want to pick a fight with you, but as a bodybuilder I can educate a few people here and if you don't agree then say I don't agree, don't call me dumb because if we chose to compare physique you will lose, my word.
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Do you know anything about bodybuilding? Have you've been ultra shredded before? Have you won your category and an overall? If so post a pic of your ultra shredded physique. If you will not show respect to someone who knows how to get shredded without knowing how yourself how then obviously you aren't even in my category. I don't want to pick a fight with you, but as a bodybuilder I can educate a few people here and if you don't agree then say I don't agree, don't call me dumb because if we chose to compare physique you will lose, my word.
LOL.
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i wonder why brewer didnt put on more size eating all that food.honestly, as far as muscle mass goes, it doesnt look like he made much progress.
any speculation?
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i wonder why brewer didnt put on more size eating all that food.honestly, as far as muscle mass goes, it doesnt look like he made much progress.
any speculation?
He definitely put size on his arms. That seems to be all though.
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He definitely put size on his arms. That seems to be all though.
yeh a little bit, and i think his shoulders are a tiny thicker too
but his chest, back, legs, traps...i dont see ANY gains
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He definitely put size on his arms. That seems to be all though.
Size on his arms and I think maybe his upper chest.
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respectfully,
Training: I wouldn't care as he can train himself. I'd just encourage him to keep his rest between sets no longer than 1 minute for anything upperbody and no more than 2 minutes for LEGS. i would say that his training should be exactly ho it has been the whole time. whatever is going to keep muscle at its highest level. no short rest set bull that will ave him losing muscle size.
Diet: I would have him eating a higher fats, consistent protein and low carb diet. Based on the pictures I've seen I'd tell him to have 5 SOLID meals a day and 1 LIQUID meal(post-workout) only. I would say he needs to eat every 90 minutes. more meals= more thermic effect of feeding= more fat burning. also, faster bmr. (90 minutes is set because that is the shortest intervals possible without effecting digestion of previous meal)
Gear: No androgens. Anabolics only. Mild. Never breaking over 1g/week. More isn't better. I may even extend his life a little bit. Primo/winstrol/tren type of cocktail. I'd make him bring his gh down to 4-6iu's a day instead of 8-10iu's. I'd dump the T3 and DNP and see what plain ECA/clen 2 week ON and 2 week OFF does for him taking up to 140mcg of clen daily and ECA 2-3x's a day. Maybe. testosterone at whatever doseage h has been using, tren at 1/3 doseage of testosterone, anadrol at whatever doseage he has used in the past, arimidex at 3 mg ed, t3 at 200 mcg ed, clen at at whatever he has used in the past, ephedrine at whatever he has used in the past , gh at whatever he has used in the past
Good question.
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frequent meals increasing BMR is a myth.
:D
Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70. Links
Meal frequency and energy balance.
Bellisle F, McDevitt R, Prentice AM.
INSERM U341, Hotel Dieu de Paris, France.
Several epidemiological studies have observed an inverse relationship between people's habitual frequency of eating and body weight, leading to the suggestion that a 'nibbling' meal pattern may help in the avoidance of obesity. A review of all pertinent studies shows that, although many fail to find any significant relationship, the relationship is consistently inverse in those that do observe a relationship. However, this finding is highly vulnerable to the probable confounding effects of post hoc changes in dietary patterns as a consequence of weight gain and to dietary under-reporting which undoubtedly invalidates some of the studies. We conclude that the epidemiological evidence is at best very weak, and almost certainly represents an artefact. A detailed review of the possible mechanistic explanations for a metabolic advantage of nibbling meal patterns failed to reveal significant benefits in respect of energy expenditure. Although some short-term studies suggest that the thermic effect of feeding is higher when an isoenergetic test load is divided into multiple small meals, other studies refute this, and most are neutral. More importantly, studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging. Finally, with the exception of a single study, there is no evidence that weight loss on hypoenergetic regimens is altered by meal frequency. We conclude that any effects of meal pattern on the regulation of body weight are likely to be mediated through effects on the food intake side of the energy balance equation.
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frequent meals increasing BMR is a myth.
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try it out and see for yourself
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try it out and see for yourself
I think people just need to simplify their approach and not sweat the small details. If they feel splitting up feedings over 4 meals instead of 8 fits their schedule and preferences better then go with that. People, even many great pro bodybuilders, have gotten shredded without going on a ridiculous 10 meal plan. Didn't Serge Nubret say he ate once a day only? That may not be optimal but shows that his metabolism didn't crash.