Author Topic: Hypothetical Question for Block, Trop, Disgusted, Derek A., gh15... (Read 8567 times)

Blockhead · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:15:19 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on April 21, 2008, 04:03:36 PM

Then my honest advise would be not to do the show.

BINGO! The best answer.

What excuse do you think Team LunchTrey will use as the reason why he pulls out of the show, Jim?

My money is on either the flu or a mild injury.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:16:15 PM »

Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies

temper35 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on April 21, 2008, 04:16:15 PM

Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies

So if he doesn't eat 600g proten he is just going to wither away?

Shut up

OTHstrong · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:21:24 PM »

Quote from: temper35 on April 21, 2008, 04:19:12 PM

So if he doesn't eat 600g proten he is just going to wither away?

Shut up

How much protein would you have him eat then bigmout?

Disgusted · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:21:48 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on April 21, 2008, 04:15:19 PM

BINGO! The best answer.

What excuse do you think Team LunchTrey will use as the reason why he pulls out of the show, Jim?

My money is on either the flu or a mild injury.

Well, the excuse I would use would be the truth. Whether it was the trainers fault or his own. Nothing wrong with just saying that I screwed up and have learned a lession. I have always recommened staying fairly lean in the offseason.

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:27:44 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on April 21, 2008, 04:16:15 PM

Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies

Thank you for that very nice visual. I was going to have dinner... but not any more.

alejandro_torres · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2008, 07:32:03 PM »

FAKE AN INJURY and actually diet for next year!

temper35 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2008, 09:06:02 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on April 21, 2008, 04:21:24 PM

How much protein would you have him eat then bigmout?

Dude what the fuck is anyone going to do with 600g of protein? Are you kidding me?

Disgusted, speak on this. SIX HUNDRED GRAMS OF PROTEIN....AHAHAHHAHAHAH A.

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2008, 05:44:11 AM »

Thanks again for the serious replies.

Apparently The Lunch's "nutritionist" spoke to the Mascara Mafia on All-Bull Radio, saying he is on track etc...

What do y'all make of that?

Blockhead · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:31:20 PM »

Quote from: columbusdude82 on April 23, 2008, 05:44:11 AM

Thanks again for the serious replies.

Apparently The Lunch's "nutritionist" spoke to the Mascara Mafia on All-Bull Radio, saying he is on track etc...

What do y'all make of that?

I make that he's going to go with 'mild injury so we're going to go into the USA's healthy' excuse.

What will be even worse is that he comes to the Jr.Nationals looking 3 weeks out and still manages to win.

emn1964 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:33:18 PM »

Quote from: temper35 on April 21, 2008, 09:06:02 PM

Dude what the fuck is anyone going to do with 600g of protein? Are you kidding me?

Disgusted, speak on this. SIX HUNDRED GRAMS OF PROTEIN....AHAHAHHAHAHAH A.

It will give him the runny shits...

candidizzle · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:33:47 PM »

HE said 600 grams of protein in the abcense of carbs

HAVE YOU SEEN TREY SUPPOSED OFF SEASON DIET?

THE DUDE EATS A LOT

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CALORIES 600 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS?

2400.

IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS.

YOULL NEED AT LEAST THAT MUCH.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:37:03 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on April 21, 2008, 04:16:15 PM

Being serious CD82; At this point he can't afford to stagger his carbs or even go low carbs so he must go no carbs Take ECA and clen at the same time, cardio 2x a day, doesn't matter when because he is on no carbs. Side effects, inproper brain functions, mood swings and insomniea. Taking a dump will feel like a pop can coming out because he needs to be at 600 grams of protein a day minimum to support all that muscle without carbs. Plus the usual contest prep goodies

hahahhahahaa, no one needs 600 grams of protein you fuccking moron.

Blockhead · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:37:59 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on April 23, 2008, 01:33:47 PM

HE said 600 grams of protein in the abcense of carbs

HAVE YOU SEEN TREY SUPPOSED OFF SEASON DIET?

THE DUDE EATS A LOT

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CALORIES 600 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS?

2400.

IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS.

YOULL NEED AT LEAST THAT MUCH.

I disagree. Completely.

He wouldn't need much more than 300-350g of protein a day to hold that muscle and I'm being generous. On gear, which keeps you in a constant positive nitrogen balance, he could get away with less than 300g.

Think. Plenty of quality growing physiques in Club Fed. They probably get less than 100g of protein a day.

columbusdude82 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:40:17 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on April 23, 2008, 01:31:20 PM

I make that he's going to go with 'mild injury so we're going to go into the USA's healthy' excuse.

What will be even worse is that he comes to the Jr.Nationals looking 3 weeks out and still manages to win.

You think he has a shot of winning the Junior Nats? Or the superheavies at least?

The Squadfather · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:40:37 PM »

hahahhahaa, 600 grams of protein to rebuild the MASSIVE damage from their 12 set chest workouts followed by the arduous 100 foot walk to the car to drive home.

candidizzle · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:42:06 PM »

in the abcense of carbs

he doesnt need 600 grams of protein, perse, but he does need calories to support his muscle mass... where des he get those calories? well, not carbs...i GUESS, you could go with fats for SOME of those, but you still gotta have most of it as protein

muscle takes calories, whether it be fats or carbs, to sustain itself, with a lack of calories, he wont hold much muscle... the gear will help reatin muscle...but its not fool proof

candidizzle · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:44:17 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on April 23, 2008, 01:40:37 PM

hahahhahaa, 600 grams of protein to rebuild the MASSIVE damage from their 12 set chest workouts followed by the arduous 100 foot walk to the car to drive home.

but its in place of carbs..its protei to be used as energy instead of muscle protien.

i dont think he meant he will utlize 600 grams of protien in the form of amino acids..i think he meant hell utilize it as glucose via conversion

AND

youve got to consider that if he has a minimum , lets say, 200 grams of carbs a day hes got get...then he needs 400 grams of protein, if hes using no carbs, cuz protein converts to glucose at a rate of 2=1 in the body

and then on top of that, hell ned to consume his actuall protein needs

Blockhead · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:58:56 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on April 23, 2008, 01:44:17 PM

but its in place of carbs..its protei to be used as energy instead of muscle protien.

i dont think he meant he will utlize 600 grams of protien in the form of amino acids..i think he meant hell utilize it as glucose via conversion

AND

youve got to consider that if he has a minimum , lets say, 200 grams of carbs a day hes got get...then he needs 400 grams of protein, if hes using no carbs, cuz protein converts to glucose at a rate of 2=1 in the body

and then on top of that, hell ned to consume his actuall protein needs

I doubt it. He should be eating 300-350g of protein and 12-20g of fats per meal for 6 meals maybe 7. TOPS. He needs to shrink his stomach down and hurt a little bit.

I eat 2 times a day now. Maybe 3 if I am lucky and I am just as strong and maybe stronger on some lifts and the only 'supplements" I use is creatine/dextrose combo post-workout. I haven't had a protein shake in months. I would guesstimate my protein intake is about 200g or less a day. Probably 150g. People keep asking me what I'm "on".

Conclusion? Put the magazines down. You don't need that much protein. You won't breakdown muscle that easily and neither will LunchTrey. Unless he diecides to starve himself and run a 10K marathon 3x's a week he aint losing muscle.

candidizzle · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:15:36 PM »

okay block. thatfs fine. im not going to sit here and argue with you about what somebody should or should not be eating...when NIETHER of us have any lue as to the guys BMR, his training. his cardio, what gear heusing, or anythin at all.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #45 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:24:15 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on April 23, 2008, 01:58:56 PM

I doubt it. He should be eating 300-350g of protein and 12-20g of fats per meal for 6 meals maybe 7. TOPS. He needs to shrink his stomach down and hurt a little bit.

I eat 2 times a day now. Maybe 3 if I am lucky and I am just as strong and maybe stronger on some lifts and the only 'supplements" I use is creatine/dextrose combo post-workout. I haven't had a protein shake in months. I would guesstimate my protein intake is about 200g or less a day. Probably 150g. People keep asking me what I'm "on".

Conclusion? Put the magazines down. You don't need that much protein. You won't breakdown muscle that easily and neither will LunchTrey. Unless he diecides to starve himself and run a 10K marathon 3x's a week he aint losing muscle.

If he eats "sufficient" protein it doesn't matter much what the rest of the calories come from IMO. I don't really think you get more ripped by going zero carb and substituting carb calories with fat calories.

How much he eats depends a lot on what drugs he's on and how much cardio he does. What you suggest might be a little light if he's on heavy thyroids, etc.

I agree with you that meal frequency isn't that important. However, calories do matter. I doubt your meals are as small as when you were eating more meals. You are making up for the calories somehow.

bodybuilder1234 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:34:55 PM »

I would tell him to get out of my sight and go be fat somewhere else...

jk

Honestly I would just tell him to go on a diet lol

Blockhead · « **Reply #47 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:40:42 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on April 23, 2008, 02:15:36 PM

okay block. thatfs fine. im not going to sit here and argue with you about what somebody should or should not be eating...when NIETHER of us have any lue as to the guys BMR, his training. his cardio, what gear heusing, or anythin at all.

candidizzle · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:44:43 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 23, 2008, 02:24:15 PM

If he eats "sufficient" protein it doesn't matter much what the rest of the calories come from IMO. I don't really think you get more ripped by going zero carb and substituting carb calories with fat calories.

How much he eats depends a lot on what drugs he's on and how much cardio he does. What you suggest might be a little light if he's on heavy thyroids, etc.

I agree with you that meal frequency isn't that important. However, calories do matter. I doubt your meals are as small as when you were eating more meals. You are making up for the calories somehow.

yes it woud matter the source of his calories van. depleted glycogen=faster fat metabolism, lower insulin=faster fat metabolism,. more protein=more thermic effect

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:58:32 PM »

They should post a wanted picture of Trey at every fastfood establishment across the country.