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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
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i know many that have fallen by the wayside.....no perseverance
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scientology
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Let me clarify......I don't care who uses or not.......I just don't candycoat the benefits for those that do....it supports you mentally and physically......not a problem, do your thing.
But for those that don't use.....how do you keep going after all the years........without the somewhat instant gratification brought about by drugs?
I've wanted to use many times, but didn't. Now I find it very difficult to keep on "keepin on".
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you're not exactly unmotivated yourself big stud.
;D
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scientology
+1 BINGO!
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
i look at the skinny fat guys you see every day
gives me all the motivation i need
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Let me clarify......I don't care who uses or not.......I just don't candycoat the benefits for those that do....it supports you mentally and physically......not a problem, do your thing.
But for those that don't use.....how do you keep going after all the years........without the somewhat instant gratification brought about by drugs?
I've wanted to use many times, but didn't. Now I find it very difficult to keep on "keepin on".
You must be married...... :-\
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You must be married...... :-\
AHAHAHAHAH!!!! Is it that obvious?
.....happily married though.
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
what do you mean? the pros say that drugs are not a major part of bodybuilding ::)
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i look at the skinny fat guys you see every day
gives me all the motivation i need
Same here. I hate the way I look. Period.
Even at my last show, I was the best I'd ever looked, but by the end of the day, all I could see were things that I wanted to improve...
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Same here. I hate the way I look. Period.
Even at my last show, I was the best I'd ever looked, but by the end of the day, all I could see were things that I wanted to improve...
This is true of most people though......even those that have no bidness complaining LOL!!!
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
Hi Stark :D
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i Just started eating more and working out and the gains came at a rate i was happy with, i honestly know very little about steroids and how much faster the results would come if i took them
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i Just started eating more and working out and the gains came at a rate i was happy with, i honestly know very little about steroids and how much faster the results would come if i took them
I've done this for years though.....the whole "balls out....bb or die" thing without using.
So, for those that have similar experience....what motivates you to keep on training?
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Are you natty MOS?
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i Have an image in my mind of how i should look. The bigger i have got, the more insecure i have got and so i feel like i must keep getting bigger and leaner to reach the image in my head. The idea of stopping working out and going back to my origional sizeis all the motivation i need to carry on 8)
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I've done this for years though.....the whole "balls out....bb or die" thing without using.
So, for those that have similar experience....what motivates you to keep on training?
always trying to improve. those little gains do it for me. im also addicted to the pump and the destroying of the muscle.
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I've done this for years though.....the whole "balls out....bb or die" thing without using.
So, for those that have similar experience....what motivates you to keep on training?
I have no idea how you do it. I can barely get to the gym 3 days a week now that I'm off. I'd rather golf or knit or something.
Plus, you're friggin enormous as a natty. If you had even a mediocre response to gear you'd be Nationals material. I don't know how you stay natty to be totally honest, but good for you man.
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Are you natty MOS?
Yes, but don't think I haven't thought about using many times.
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I've done this for years though.....the whole "balls out....bb or die" thing without using.
So, for those that have similar experience....what motivates you to keep on training?
Having been there and done that, I know that whatever results I got from gear were temporary. Once you come off, it's very difficult to keep the artificial gains. So, unless you plan on staying on indefinitely, what's the point?
As for staying motivated, it's hard for me to train yearound just for size. So, some times I get into endurance training, other times I focus on my cage fighting (lol) and other times I'm into bbing.
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Yes, but don't think I haven't thought about using many times.
ur already a monster without these crap, can you imagine what kind of little pussies these pros are.
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.....happily married though.
That's an oxymoron ;D
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That's an oxymoron ;D
AHAHAHAAHH!!! So true.
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So, some times I get into endurance training, other times I focus on my cage fighting (lol) and other times I'm into bbing.
hi stark
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That's an oxymoron ;D
hahaha brutal truth.
you youngins' enjoy your freedom while you have it!
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Yes, but don't think I haven't thought about using many times.
Ridiculously big for a natty. Props.
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Personally I think I've reached close to my natural limit, size-wise. So I just train for fun and "maintenance" these days. Love the pump but also love to still set little personal strength goals for myself. For the past several months I've tried to focus on getting a "big" powerclean. Not gonna compete anymore, just doin' it for the love of it.
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Same here. I hate the way I look. Period.
Even at my last show, I was the best I'd ever looked, but by the end of the day, all I could see were things that I wanted to improve...
YUP. THIS MY FRIENDS IS A TRUE BODYBUILDER.
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IIf you had even a mediocre response to gear you'd be Nationals material.
Agreed. I'd go out on a limb and say that if he dieted completely down, he'd still be bigger than many dudes on juice anyway. I of course know jack shit about dieting so don't take my word for it, but I suspect I'm not far off here.
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Having been there and done that, I know that whatever results I got from gear were temporary. Once you come off, it's very difficult to keep the artificial gains. So, unless you plan on staying on indefinitely, what's the point?
As for staying motivated, it's hard for me to train yearound just for size. So, some times I get into endurance training, other times I focus on my cage fighting (lol) and other times I'm into bbing.
bro your still hugge you havent lost size just condition + size
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Personally I think I've reached close to my natural limit, size-wise. So I just train for fun and "maintenance" these days. Love the pump but also love to still set little personal strength goals for myself. For the past several months I've tried to focus on getting a "big" powerclean. Not gonna compete anymore, just doin' it for the love of it.
What numbers are you putting up killer?
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I train because it makes me feel good.. gettin big isnt the primary gold gettin strong is and blowing of steam in reality i am a very serious man so training takes the edge off. drugs arent an issue im natural i set no limit. .size wise i always plan to train naturally till i physically cant or till my hour has come...
so (lean) 22 inch arms or 20 in arms for eample or whatever i dont see them as unattainable.. if i get them fine if not cool... ill still be training naturally regardless. its all about the challenge and the feeling of lifting weights for me
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Personally I think I've reached close to my natural limit, size-wise. So I just train for fun and "maintenance" these days. Love the pump but also love to still set little personal strength goals for myself. For the past several months I've tried to focus on getting a "big" powerclean. Not gonna compete anymore, just doin' it for the love of it.
did you compete in the past
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I train because it makes me feel good.. gettin big isnt the primary gold gettin strong is and blowing of steam in reality i am a very serious man so training takes the edge off. drugs arent an issue im natural i set no limit. .size wise i always plan to train naturally till i physically cant or till my hour has come...
so (lean) 22 inch arms or 20 in arms for eample or whatever i dont see them as unattainable.. if i get them fine if not cool... ill still be training naturally regardless. its all about the challenge and the feeling of lifting weights for me
That's pretty much how I feel about it at the moment. I gav up plans to compete a long time ago and don't care if I ever do. I just train for the love of training and eating lots of good food and trying to look good with it at the same time. And because I'm never satisfied, I'll continue until I do. I've not set any deadlines for anything.
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I train because it makes me feel good.. gettin big isnt the primary gold gettin strong is and blowing of steam in reality i am a very serious man so training takes the edge off. drugs arent an issue im natural i set no limit. .size wise i always plan to train naturally till i physically cant or till my hour has come...
so (lean) 22 inch arms or 20 in arms for eample or whatever i dont see them as unattainable.. if i get them fine if not cool... ill still be training naturally regardless. its all about the challenge and the feeling of lifting weights for me
Great post
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
you cant keep motivation to train with out hormones,,it simply dont work this way in bodybuilding an dpowerlifting which i consider closely related in the need for enhancment perfoemance drugs,,you also cant keep eatign clean if you want to grow ,,you need to do the clean and dirty nutrition,,
in bodybuilding as much as you like to claim you eat clean and train with free weight all the time IT IS NEVER THE CASE,,
the are rules in bodybuilding that you learn past the 3 year of consistant training,,some learn it before but they are the ones with no foundation and usually on the train into nowhere,,the rules you lean in bodybuilding past the 3rd year are as follows
1. "drugs" is intergral part of growth and development of the physiqe
2. when off hormones means when you take those 4-6 weeks that you one think he is off...in reality he is off nothing,,the hormones are running in the system for weeks sometimes months past use and to be true clean takes a good year off hormones at the least and even then the hormones already got you into new max weight that will be hard to lose unless completely stop training
3 when off hormones in those number of weeks when you go down to 250-500mg test only ...that is the time when machine are incorperated HEAVILY into training,,WE ALL DO IT SO NO NEED TO THINK TWICE
4. personal records usually established during the time the bodybuilder is lieing to everyone and aying he is OFF HORMONES,,what it means is the time you can lift the heaviest is when you are going down to 1 or 2 testex a week or 2 weeks past last inject ,,that is when the body will be able to break personal records ..not when you are loaded on many diff prodiucts and your body is fighting to stay awake because it want to sleep and grow and build itself,,,yor body will give you best performance weight wize during the frist to second week past last inject
5.when there is no hormone in your body ...you can be the heaviest lifter in the gym,,you can be the best looking 170pounder in the gym,,,you can be the best looking 220 6'3 fella in the gym,,but when you have no hormones in the system past the third year or training....YOU WILL NEVER SEE EVEN A POUND OF MUSCLE ON YOUR FRAME ESPECIALLY AT AGES 27 AND UP,,NOT EVEN A POUNDOF LEAN MUSCE!
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gh15, no offence but you must be mentally weak. Not everyone is like you nor do you know what goes through other peoples heads.
You can keep motivation drug free.
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you cant keep motivation to train with out hormones,,it simply dont work this way in bodybuilding an dpowerlifting which i consider closely related in the need for enhancment perfoemance drugs,,you also cant keep eatign clean if you want to grow ,,you need to do the clean and dirty nutrition,,
in bodybuilding as much as you like to claim you eat clean and train with free weight all the time IT IS NEVER THE CASE,,
the are rules in bodybuilding that you learn past the 3 year of consistant training,,some learn it before but they are the ones with no foundation and usually on the train into nowhere,,the rules you lean in bodybuilding past the 3rd year are as follows
1. "drugs" is intergral part of growth and development of the physiqe
2. when off hormones means when you take those 4-6 weeks that you one think he is off...in reality he is off nothing,,the hormones are running in the system for weeks sometimes months past use and to be true clean takes a good year off hormones at the least and even then the hormones already got you into new max weight that will be hard to lose unless completely stop training
3 when off hormones in those number of weeks when you go down to 250-500mg test only ...that is the time when machine are incorperated HEAVILY into training,,WE ALL DO IT SO NO NEED TO THINK TWICE
4. personal records usually established during the time the bodybuilder is lieing to everyone and aying he is OFF HORMONES,,what it means is the time you can lift the heaviest is when you are going down to 1 or 2 testex a week or 2 weeks past last inject ,,that is when the body will be able to break personal records ..not when you are loaded on many diff prodiucts and your body is fighting to stay awake because it want to sleep and grow and build itself,,,yor body will give you best performance weight wize during the frist to second week past last inject
5.when there is no hormone in your body ...you can be the heaviest lifter in the gym,,you can be the best looking 170pounder in the gym,,,you can be the best looking 220 6'3 fella in the gym,,but when you have no hormones in the system past the third year or training....YOU WILL NEVER SEE EVEN A POUND OF MUSCLE ON YOUR FRAME ESPECIALLY AT AGES 27 AND UP,,NOT EVEN A POUNDOF LEAN MUSCE!
I've added lean mass and gained strength without the aid of drugs from my late teens to my early 30s.
My problem now is motivation.....guess I'm bored right now.
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Man of Steel is a human forklift who is roughly the size of Goliath and bends bars in the gym for fun.
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I've added lean mass and gained strength without the aid of drugs from my late teens to my early 30s.
My problem now is motivation.....guess I'm bored right now.
set some new goals, tryo to learn new movements.
right now I'm trying to get a bar muscle-up with no momentum.
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
It's very hard.
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In my mind, I think that I can make improvements clean. I usually tend to focus on more power moments when clean. You can't recover as fast, but you get that real deep muscle soreness that you don't get when "loaded".
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
I just like to workout.
I used to think I could be a pro then I realized all the shit I would have to do to myself to be a pro, that's not for me. I've wanted to do a couple of natural shows but life has gotten in the way.
I still go to the gym when I can, 3 days a week and put 100% effort in when I'm there, it's fun for me....I don't look at it as being work or anything like that, its a physical challenge I guess. I just like walking into a gym and lifting as heavy as I can and going home....
I just think it's fun.
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I just like to workout.
I used to think I could be a pro then I realized all the shit I would have to do to myself to be a pro, that's not for me. I've wanted to do a couple of natural shows but life has gotten in the way.
I still go to the gym when I can, 3 days a week and put 100% effort in when I'm there, it's fun for me....I don't look at it as being work or anything like that, its a physical challenge I guess. I just like walking into a gym and lifting as heavy as I can and going home....
I just think it's fun.
It used to be fun for me too, but now it's losing it appeal.
Honestly, I need to quit cryin and just get busy in the gym LOL!!
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anyone can train on machines week in week out but very very few natural guys can squat and deadlift heavy every week for years clean.
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anyone can train on machines week in week out but very very few natural guys can squat and deadlift heavy every week for years clean.
It takes its toll for damn sure.
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It takes its toll for damn sure.
i've been squatting AND pulling on the same day for a few months now as opposed to doing them on different days for years prior and that is a hard fucckin' workout.
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gh15, no offence but you must be mentally weak. Not everyone is like you nor do you know what goes through other peoples heads.
You can keep motivation drug free.
yes ,,anyone can keep motivated but gains? no ,,you will be like every other bodybuilder wanna be in the gym walking around think he got muscle and then cutting down to 160lb to see you have another 5 lb to go inorder to be dry enough ,,thats natural friend,,naturals are doomed to forever be small,,true natural that is
remembr what i write here is after seeing 100s upon 100s of black white yellow lifters ,,you just dont walk around 220lb 5'10 looking like a bodybuilder with out the use of hormones,,and this is a very average bodybuilder ,,natural take immidiatly 30-50lb off
MUSCLE SHAPE IS GOOD AND NICE,,BUT THE GUYS WITH VERY HIGH MOTIVATION FOR 2-3 YEARS THAT ARE VERY CONSISTANT AND DONT SKIP A MEAL... ::) THOSE ARE THE GUYS THAT THEIR ARMS MESURE 16 INCHES WITH THAT SPLENDID MUSCLE SHAPE WHILE NATURAL,,,IT MAY LOOK 18 BUT IT IS STILL 16 AND WHEN THEY STAND NEXT TO A 220LB ON HORMONES IN 99% OF CASES THEY FADE AWAY INTO NOTHINGNESS,,
you live in an era which is the BIG SIZE ERA OF BODYBUILDING,,,you can be very attractive and motivated and do no hormones yet you will look small,,the girls may love you with your 185lb and 7% bf ,,ofcourse you got there by doing couple cycles but its stil natural comparing to the big boys ,,in reality there is no tue natural anymore,,
also the moment a serious 220lb+ bodybuilder come and pass you ,,i assure you the motivated natural will get his wind blown out of him ESPECIALLY in america when most fellas do it purely for girls and getting girls and girl attention,,,the girls in america though not neccesarily like it ,,pay attention to size,,it is phenomenon ONLY TRUE TO AMERICA,,the girls in america pay much attention to size,,they seem to be in awe and admiration and get very emberessed next to big 220 hormonized fellas and thats where the natural motivation is gone for the average guy who is trying to getgirls at age 25
this is a subject for a whole interview gh15 could talk about ,,,motivation is good if you are playing tennis or soccer or basketball ,,in body BUILDING the more lean muscle mass you have that sits on you right ...the more attention and looks you will get and this is the main reason you see those fellas running in the gyms many of them never step on stage...they have this self motivation because they want to impress females and those females ESPECIALLY AMERICAN ONES,, only get impressed when the guy is hormonized,, a 160lb no matter how cut he is will never be able to compare to a 220lb when both are sitting at the 10% with similar proportions,,,it is not possible ,,
the word motivation when it comes to bodybuilding is alot past motivation to be healthy and fit ,,it evolves around a cult and around constant need for attention ,,,the bodybuilder always want attention ,,some fellas go to big lengthsto get this attention,,i would say that 90% of bodybuilders that sits in gym today do it for girls and girl attention,,rememebr that many of those bodybuilders sit in america and if you pay attention closely when you bring the american girl teddy bear ...which teddy bear will she be saying her fake awww and oh he is so cute and ohh this and oh that? she will say those remarks twards the BIG TEDDY she will want a BIG HUGGABLE TEDDY,,size rules the american girl,,look at the cars they drive always big trucks or suvs or something big ,,look at the dogs they have ..in most cases they are big pits rotwilers,,big dogs heavy labs,,big bgi dogs many of them not all but majority,,,the american girl IS THE MOTIVATION of most american guys who enter a gym and become bodybuilders,,THUS DRUGS BECAME INTEGRAL PARTS OF BODY BUILDING WETHER AMATUER OR LATER ON WHEN YOU FELL INLOVE WITH IT ..PROFESSIONAL
this is too big for a board...in anyway,,the rules i wrote above are written in bible if you ever did serious bodybuilding you will know they are
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anyone can train on machines week in week out but very very few natural guys can squat and deadlift heavy every week for years clean.
I cycle the "more brutal" movements since I train DC...I can't deadlift cause of my back problems but I do heavy T-bar rows, BB rows and seated rows..I do squat now and do a day of heavy 20 rep leg press's. It can beat the hell out of you but you have to monitor what your capable fo doing, that's one of the challenges with being natty, it don't come easy and I have to fight for every pound sometimes.
I just took time to learn what I could handle and structured a program around that, what I had was pretty much right in line with what DC talks about so I jumped on board.
blast and cruise...blast and cruise...take an extra day off if you need it and look at the big picture.
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lol. gh15 is the man
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At 265 with no steroids, creatine, etc...and 32 years old I am still making gains. I have really kicked up my training in the last 3 months and have gotten great results. All i am taking is multivitamin and eating 3 square meals a day and a couple protein bars in between. I lift 5 days a week and hit cardio on the other two days. I dropped initially from 270 down to about 245 in the first month on my new routine, and have come back up from 245 to 265 in the past 2 months without any drugs. My strength improves every week. I military pressed 220 today, and got 3 more reps per set than I did last week, so next week I'm gonna add another 10 lbs to the bar.
Plus, my friend who was fat and out of shape is working out with me now and he's dropped 35 lbs total bodyweight and added lean mass. It feels good to me to help a friend with his goals, and pass on some knowledge that will stay with him for life.
This is what motivates me. More iron on the bar. Testing my personal limits and improving myself. Not to compare with anyone, or to impress my girlfriend. She doesn't care if I'm huge or not, its not like my dick is gonna get any bigger from working out.
And i don't need to add hormones to my body to motivate me. My desire to go to the gym and test myself against last weeks numbers gets me out of bed in the morning, makes me eat my eggs and oatmeal every morning, and makes me push myself to improve. I don't need drugs.
GH15's statement sounds like any other drug addict's speech. About how they NEED the drugs to function. He might as well be talking about heroin or cocaine.
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If i ate like a bodybuilder to gain more muscle mass, id be fatter then i ever have been...Im a natural, dont even supplement protein and eat three meals a day...Ive maintained my strenght levels and even gained some strength since deciding to take no supplements at all....
You want my personal opinion about supplements? Its all catered to someone on the juice and if you are a natural, spending your money on all these legal supplements, is wasting your money....Keep in mind all the pros including arnold who advises 1 to 1.5 grams of protein for every pound use juice...Keep in mind how steroids speed up protein synthesis, and then look at yourself, consider the gains you have made for the tenth time over in the last ten to twenty years and wonder if all these damn supplements did shit for you....Consider the ceiling you have reached a dozen times over....How you reached the ceiling of muscle growth and strenght, quit lifting, and start back again, reaching that same ceiling again....
After looking back at all the money you gave to these damn supplement stores, was it worth it? Have you ever given the thought that you could have achieved those same results without all that? Well i questioned it, and said to hell with all that, and im happier for it, and satisfied with my strenght levels...
Im convinced that a natural weight lifting who does not compete, does just fine eating a balanced diet, with plenty of recuperation in between workouts....
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At 265 with no steroids, creatine, etc...and 32 years old I am still making gains. I have really kicked up my training in the last 3 months and have gotten great results. All i am taking is multivitamin and eating 3 square meals a day and a couple protein bars in between. I lift 5 days a week and hit cardio on the other two days. I dropped initially from 270 down to about 245 in the first month on my new routine, and have come back up from 245 to 265 in the past 2 months without any drugs. My strength improves every week. I military pressed 220 today, and got 3 more reps per set than I did last week, so next week I'm gonna add another 10 lbs to the bar.
Plus, my friend who was fat and out of shape is working out with me now and he's dropped 35 lbs total bodyweight and added lean mass. It feels good to me to help a friend with his goals, and pass on some knowledge that will stay with him for life.
This is what motivates me. More iron on the bar. Testing my personal limits and improving myself. Not to compare with anyone, or to impress my girlfriend. She doesn't care if I'm huge or not, its not like my dick is gonna get any bigger from working out.
And i don't need to add hormones to my body to motivate me. My desire to go to the gym and test myself against last weeks numbers gets me out of bed in the morning, makes me eat my eggs and oatmeal every morning, and makes me push myself to improve. I don't need drugs.
GH15's statement sounds like any other drug addict's speech. About how they NEED the drugs to function. He might as well be talking about heroin or cocaine.
i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.
im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.
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you just have to be realistic about what you can do naturally, if you think you're gonna look like jay cutler or dennis wolf then you're going to fail. Small consisntant gains are more important as a natty, 10lbs a year is ALOT of weight....
just be realistic and you'll be fine.
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i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.
im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.
How long have you been lifting? About a year or so?
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Keep in mind that those from before the iron age didnt have access to all these supplements sold today and did just fine with eating three balanced meals a day...
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Also understand that any pro with a supplement contract are obliged to disagree and even go as far to insult this FACT harshly...
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How long have you been lifting? About a year or so?
In candid's defense, he's been "squatting" onto penises for at least a decade now. ;D
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How long have you been lifting? About a year or so?
about three months. 8)
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How long have you been lifting? About a year or so?
He's so new he's got grass coming out of his ears.
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i gone from 155 to 225 natural and eating alot of junk but lifting HARD
some people make it sound like u cant even gain muslce without steroids!
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Hey NATURAL AL, is that u in ur avi? u look awesome, got any pics?
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
I know what you are talking about. Real life can and often will interfere big time, lack of rest, nutrition and sleep as a result.
The way to get around it is soldier like execution. Forfeit your mind and body for the execution of your commands that you have selected and decided to perform. Write down your workouts on paper before doing them and go through them one exercise by one till it is done. Relax and let your body do the talking, don't interfere with your mind, let it just focus on one area. I found contrary to popular belief it REALLY helps not to have a TV and not even listening radio/music while working out, even during cardio. I have found I am much more relaxed with proper breathing, focus and technique and resilient to burning out and higher focus.
When cutting this is what works for me.
You got to like working out and eating though.
During maintaining do whatever, go by feel.
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5.when there is no hormone in your body ...you can be the heaviest lifter in the gym,,you can be the best looking 170pounder in the gym,,,you can be the best looking 220 6'3 fella in the gym,,but when you have no hormones in the system past the third year or training....YOU WILL NEVER SEE EVEN A POUND OF MUSCLE ON YOUR FRAME ESPECIALLY AT AGES 27 AND UP,,NOT EVEN A POUNDOF LEAN MUSCE!
GH15 is dead on with this comment. I made most of my weight and strength gains in the first ~2 years of training. After that I was began trying all sorts of methods to get past plateaus in strength and body weight, with marginal success.
I now lift just to maintain my strength levels and I also enjoy the feeling of "the pump" or just lifting a heavy weight. But I long ago realized that I had gone just about as far as I could, naturally.
It does seem, though, that I have appeared to age a lot slower than some of my family members who do not work out at all:)
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i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.
im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.
dont worry he is not 265lb of anything unless he sits at 6'4 and even then i doubt it is single digits,,anything remotely REMOTELY close to 265lb at under 6'1 with decnet under 12-13% true bodyfat = LOTS AND LOTS OF CONSISTANCY IN THE HORMONE DEPARTMENT,,
friend ,,you must stop listen to the junk such as the post from that 265lb fella,,unless he is a complete 25% very soft individual he can nto and does not touch those numbers ,,the only way naturally he is 265 at under 6 feet is if his jeans mesure 38+ inch waist (most likley 42-44 if hes good!) ,,
the numbers you are throwing here for naturals...265lb :D ,,we are talking bodybuilding here right? not fat potato sack,,we are talkin g265lb naturally with decent bodyfat% as in under 15% and average or smaller waist as in 36 and under,,i got news for that fella....if he is near 265lb or will ever get there he will see that the following products will be in his arsenal including constant begs to the suppliers
testovirons
nandrolone
dianabol
if he is paper thin skin size the way grants brother started...to look like...or many of the amatuer tropopins....he is also on GROWTH HORMONES BOUGHT IN BULK FROM NORDIC SINCE THOSE FRIENDS ARE USUALLY POOR ...NO MONEY FOR LEGIT GROWTH
even if he is reno 265....he is on lots of constant use of aas and to be honest with you EVERY ONE WHO STEP ON STAGE NOW DAYS IS FULL OF GROWTH ,,many on insulin and forget about the fat burners...
clen albuterol t3 ephedrine...is part of the life of competetive bodybuilding like you drink gatorade,,
most liars that say they are 265 at under 6 feet with good shape as in decent bf% are also the same liars that will add DNP and pgcl into their arsenal,,ofcourse all of them use igf1lr3 and every peptide that comes out they get hard on and beg beg beg for a bulk deal,,
the drug addict is not gh15 ...the drug addict is the stupid imbaciles friends ongetbig that already deluted themelves to such a degree that they get off dianabol and consider themselves natural while they are on test nandrolone clenbuterol and within 2 weeks will go again on anadrol,,
do not belivee those fellas,,the reason i came to getbig was for stupid remarks such as that guy did to never heard again
265... ::)naturally ::)...he will soon say he is 5'11 or 6'2 i got the feeling,,in any case be sure he is VERY FEMILIAR WITH HORMONES and creatine is the usual bullshit excuse for the 2 weeks he is off,,he may take it or not ..it wont matter and most likley get it cheap since his other bodybuilder friend own a supplement store 3 min down the road where he can come show off his 265lb of natural muscle
that post of his is a joke ,,if you only knew how much shit we use to be 265 on stage ,,if you only knew how much work outside the gym we do,,if you only knew what chase there is after specific hormones and if you only knew HOW MUCH IT COST ESPECIALLY NOW DAYS...that guy would close his mouth and bless the fact he can still do them,,
insted he pisses off the american goverment because the american goverment HATE LIARS and bring more heat on everyone of you ! since you are bodybuilders too,,
remember the lies can start small with such a stupid post....but those lies end up big when he will say in a year that his friend got busted because of 5 vials of testosterone while in reality it will be that cocaine and heroin he is talking about,,
this guys are posion that is killing bodybuilding,,they shoudl never be allowed in bodybuilding,,many of them are criminals and fellons many of them dont care that they bring down bodybuilders who truly only work with hormones,,
in any case you get my point,,,ignore his nonesense
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thx gh15... :)
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just to be clear gh15, I am 6'3 1/2". I was 295-310 during football in my senior year of high school and wrestled at 226 at about 7% bf. (thats 14 years ago) Without steroids, hormones, etc. I ate red meat almost every day unless I was cutting weight for wrestling. At my largest as an adult was about 5 years ago at about 300 lbs working in a meatroom, slinging cows all day, and taking in about 3 lbs of red meat a day, about half of that was raw right off the cow. I got gout and had to cut back on the red meat though and I have come down my current weight. I don't eat super clean and i still go out for drinks about 2 times a week, but at my weight I still wear a size 36 pants which is loose on me.
I just think your statements are not realistic. To claim that after 30 you can't put on any lean mass without hormones is a lie. Let me ask you this then...if I were to go on heavy cycles of hormones and aas how large would I be? Would I be on stage at 290? 300? more than that?
I would just be another freak in the crowd, doing terrible things to my body for some short lived glory in the bodybuilding world, and the negatives of that life far outweigh the positives. Gay 4 pay, illegal activity that could land me in jail, damage to my kidneys, liver, brain, body, etc... It's just not worth it in my opinion.
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Keg you sound like a smart guy.Why wouldn't you Risk all that stuff for the MASSIVE amounts of Money the IFBB give their athletes.These guys make sooooooooooo much money in Pro shows they never have to work have great health plans and never do anything illegal.It's not about Drugs it's all Genetics as Bob says. ::)
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....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?
You feel better in general. Housing 2nd rate juicer clowns, is just a bonus. I'm glad many people take sauce though. I actually push harder than if everyone were natural. I'd be scared to see the people in my gym on nothing. I realize, it's what they need just to make it their...pathetic yes, but who am I to judge. ;D
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Keg you sound like a smart guy.Why wouldn't you Risk all that stuff for the MASSIVE amounts of Money the IFBB give their athletes.These guys make sooooooooooo much money in Pro shows they never have to work have great health plans and never do anything illegal.It's not about Drugs it's all Genetics as Bob says. ::)
If it's all genetics, then why did it take Bob so long to get his pro card?
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just to be clear gh15, I am 6'3 1/2". I was 295-310 during football in my senior year of high school and wrestled at 226 at about 7% bf. (thats 14 years ago) Without steroids, hormones, etc. I ate red meat almost every day unless I was cutting weight for wrestling. At my largest as an adult was about 5 years ago at about 300 lbs working in a meatroom, slinging cows all day, and taking in about 3 lbs of red meat a day, about half of that was raw right off the cow. I got gout and had to cut back on the red meat though and I have come down my current weight. I don't eat super clean and i still go out for drinks about 2 times a week, but at my weight I still wear a size 36 pants which is loose on me.
I just think your statements are not realistic. To claim that after 30 you can't put on any lean mass without hormones is a lie. Let me ask you this then...if I were to go on heavy cycles of hormones and aas how large would I be? Would I be on stage at 290? 300? more than that?
I would just be another freak in the crowd, doing terrible things to my body for some short lived glory in the bodybuilding world, and the negatives of that life far outweigh the positives. Gay 4 pay, illegal activity that could land me in jail, damage to my kidneys, liver, brain, body, etc... It's just not worth it in my opinion.
this all sounds believable to me except the 7% BF.
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Yes, but don't think I haven't thought about using many times.
if you are natural then i am impressed as those pics you posted you had great size.
heavy juicers never recover if they don't drop off due to health problems first they can't train with test levels of castrated mice...
i know guys that have been using low moderate doses for a decade and look really good they just don't abuse...
you just have to reset your goals and train smarter as you get older...
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If it's all genetics, then why did it take Bob so long to get his pro card?
Because it's not "all genetics"....no one said that except for this fol "Meltdown".
The ability to "dial it in" on game day was the only factor that kept me from a pro card much earlier in my amateur career...
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if you are natural then i am impressed as those pics you posted you had great size.
heavy juicers never recover if they don't drop off due to health problems first they can't train with test levels of castrated mice...
i know guys that have been using low moderate doses for a decade and look really good they just don't abuse...
you just have to reset your goals and train smarter as you get older...
moderate dose= heavy dose, when it comes to the effect on the hpta and injecting testosterone. shut down is shut down. 500mg per week= 5,ooomg per week as far as that goes. its about how long you stay shut down.
dumbass.
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Because it's not "all genetics"....no one said that except for this fol "Meltdown".
The ability to "dial it in" on game day was the only factor that kept me from a pro card much earlier in my amateur career...
He's right, and no flame against bob he was consistently big and well proportioned for years till he hit it...
you see 100's of guys over they years that never hit it on game day but look huge in the gym....
DJ is one that comes to mind...
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moderate dose= heavy dose, when it comes to the effect on the hpta and injecting testosterone. shut down is shut down. 500mg per week= 5,ooomg per week as far as that goes. its about how long you stay shut down.
dumbass.
oh ya lil johnny never juice is gonna tell me about steroids... ::) Don't play in a game you have no idea about!
gimme a break kid i know more about aas gh and insulin than you'll ever know ...
can you tell me what your free test level is? how about how much free test you will have on 1 gram a week of prop....
hundred and fucking 50 mgs of cyp a week will put most males in the 750-800ng'dl range of free test....very optimum for maintaining mass with your "suppressed" HPTA"
try using some shit then come back and talk some shit. :-*
the key to longevity is coming off high doses of steroids and going on lo doses as a bridge and then using GH to help maintain lean ness and body weight mass...
a couple of the tip top guys and top amatuers do this...
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oh ya lil johnny never juice is gonna tell me about steroids... ::) Don't play in a game you have no idea about!
gimme a break kid i know more about aas gh and insulin than you'll ever know ...
can you tell me what your free test level is? how about how much free test you will have on 1 gram a week of prop
hundred and fucking 50 mgs of cyp a week will put most males in the 750-800ng'dl range of free test....very optimum for maintaining mass with your "suppressed" HPTA"
try using some shit then come back and talk some shit. :-*
the key to longevity is coming off high doses of steroids and going on lo doses as a bridge and then using GH to help maintain lean ness and body weight mass...
a couple of the tip top guys and top amatuers do this...
HAHAHAHAHAHA okay mr tough guy ;D ;D
. if your shut down, your shutdow,. it doesnt matter if your shut down from 500mg / week, or if you shut down from 5 grams /week.
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educating you would be like trying to educate a virgin about pussy. ;D
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educating you would be like trying to educate a virgin about pussy. ;D
;D okay jason
way to avoid the argument
you=owned
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Back to the natural subject-I just like being bigger and stronger than the average person-good for women even though Im married-and I do other things like having the ability of choking and punching people out (in practice of course)
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He's right, and no flame against bob he was consistently big and well proportioned for years till he hit it...
you see 100's of guys over they years that never hit it on game day but look huge in the gym....
DJ is one that comes to mind...
It's the same plague that hit Mendenhall, Leidlemeyer, Fletcher and a host of other "greats" that never made it.....
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Because it's not "all genetics"....no one said that except for this fol "Meltdown".
The ability to "dial it in" on game day was the only factor that kept me from a pro card much earlier in my amateur career...
is this what has kept you from being a serious competitor as an IFBB pro?
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is this what has kept you from being a serious competitor as an IFBB pro?
bob was in incredible shape at his masters win...i know people gave him a lot of shit but he deserved to win and ended his career in the best way possible...with a win and peaked to the max....
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is this what has kept you from being a serious competitor as an IFBB pro?
No...better opportunites and common sense.
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Yes...I would put Bob amongst the most successful top 5 bb's, given that he did NOT only depend on winning shows...but applied his concentration to marketing himself as a brand
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So is it better to sit on the bench in the big leagues or to be a starter in the minors?
Did you just get the Pro card to be more marketable as someone in the industry? Please enlighten us as what your goals were when getting your pro card, and how they have changed to what they are now.
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so, Has Bob ever been part of an Olympia line up back in his prime?
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So is it better to sit on the bench in the big leagues to be a starter in the minors?
Did you just get the Pro card to be more marketable as someone in the industry? Please enlighten us as what your goals were when getting your pro card, and how they have changed to what they are now.
I'd bet he did it to do his best, but more so to be more marketable in the industry and elsewhere
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so, Has Bob ever been part of an Olympia line up back in his prime?
Yes...I think he took 10th once...I could be wrong
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So is it better to sit on the bench in the big leagues to be a starter in the minors?
Did you just get the Pro card to be more marketable as someone in the industry? Please enlighten us as what your goals were when getting your pro card, and how they have changed to what they are now.
bob's sitting around healthy happy and well off financially....to have all three in pro bb'ing is a rarity....plus he has a family not many can say that...so he's probablyly feeling real good about his decision to not take it to the limit for years...plus he's still at a very elite level in pro bb'ing involved in a sport he really loves with out killing himself for a trophy and a fingerful of cash....so he smiles a lot i bet.... ;D
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bob's sitting around healthy happy and well off financially....to have all three in pro bb'ing is a rarity....plus he has a family not many can say that...so he's probablyly feeling real good about his decision to not take it to the limit for years...plus he's still at a very elite level in pro bb'ing involved in a sport he really loves with out killing himself for a trophy and a fingerful of cash....so he smiles a lot i bet.... ;D
;D okay jason
way to avoid the argument
you=owned
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I've done this for years though.....the whole "balls out....bb or die" thing without using.
So, for those that have similar experience....what motivates you to keep on training?
It's an addiction. :-[
Seriously, a couple of guys have started bringing in bands, chains, a sled, they have a 800lb tire on tap and are going to get a farmers carry contraptions. Doing these in place of cardio or whenever I get a chance has brought an interest back into the plain old workout.
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So is it better to sit on the bench in the big leagues or to be a starter in the minors?
Did you just get the Pro card to be more marketable as someone in the industry? Please enlighten us as what your goals were when getting your pro card, and how they have changed to what they are now.
The ends have to justify the means...better to have been there, than not at all.
My motovation changed over the years given the timeframe it took me to get there.....had I turned pro in 1989 at 24 years old....I may have had a different mindset to try and be the best in the world...
After repeated attempts to turn pro, and 13 years of time....at 34 my the goal was simply to TURN pro. THat was my Olympia....
Once in the pro ranks, my goal was to GET to the Olympia stage...I achieved that in 2002. Of course I would have liked to have won a few shows on the circuit....but two runner-up finishes was as close as I would get....
Along the way, opportunities came my way in the form of spokesman, MC, radio host, writer, video work, etc. The "business of BB"....
Most guys try to get to the pro ranks to get what I already have....at this point, I would see it as a step backwards.
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just to be clear gh15, I am 6'3 1/2". I was 295-310 during football in my senior year of high school and wrestled at 226 at about 7% bf. (thats 14 years ago) Without steroids, hormones, etc. I ate red meat almost every day unless I was cutting weight for wrestling. At my largest as an adult was about 5 years ago at about 300 lbs working in a meatroom, slinging cows all day, and taking in about 3 lbs of red meat a day, about half of that was raw right off the cow. I got gout and had to cut back on the red meat though and I have come down my current weight. I don't eat super clean and i still go out for drinks about 2 times a week, but at my weight I still wear a size 36 pants which is loose on me.
I just think your statements are not realistic. To claim that after 30 you can't put on any lean mass without hormones is a lie. Let me ask you this then...if I were to go on heavy cycles of hormones and aas how large would I be? Would I be on stage at 290? 300? more than that?
I would just be another freak in the crowd, doing terrible things to my body for some short lived glory in the bodybuilding world, and the negatives of that life far outweigh the positives. Gay 4 pay, illegal activity that could land me in jail, damage to my kidneys, liver, brain, body, etc... It's just not worth it in my opinion.
so you are 6'4,,6'4 is antena and inorder to look normal needs to be 220-230lb at the absolute minimum for remember 1 inch = 7lb so at 265lb you were and are equivem\lent to a 5'10 lifter that is 220 plus minum ,,
this is nothing to write home about and a very average statue,,this statue is achived by the use of hormones if you standing low double digit or any single digit bodyfat%,,you can eat red meat from morning to evening for 10 years in a raw and only thing you will get with no hormones and in some cases with hormones = HEART ATTACK,,too much of red meat = faster path into your first heart surgery and not into the 260lb ,,in any case anything impressive on your height would be 280lb or over at low double or single digit%,,at 265 you better be 7-8% inorder to look anything close ti impressive because lower double is good and nice ...maybe impressive for general public along with your height but to the competetive and experience bodybuilder you are average at best at low double digit 265lb 6'4,,
now if you want put pictures of yourself and i will tell you the exavct products you been to including accure doses you took,,gh15 will also tell you if you are truly naturla as you claim you are simply by looking at yoru body fat% and skin tecture and thickness,,
remember friend ,,you are talking to god of hormones,,gh15 is getting payed for advice a lot of money and have seen worked with trained with and competed with the worst addicts and the less worst addicts,,
in general if you ever stook at 265lb at anything remotely close to low single digit at in 6-7% even at 6'4 ,..you were hormonized and used hormones and related products,,the 6'4 guys are usually easily to blow up and get a red swole look their skin tecture is very noticable when hormonized since it stretched thin on their long tors,,rare are the ones who stand single digit% at 265lb even at 6'4 ,,with out hormones it is not possible if you like you say been 225lb at 7% NATURALLY you were quivelent to 180lb guy at 5'10 with 7% ..possible for the genetic elite when it comes to frame but inorder to get there to that 7% at 225 you had to come from a lot bigger and have decent low double bodyfat% which demands the use of hormones and food,,
again its too much talk ,,ciome with pictures and i will analyze to the t anything you took to this date including everything else you asked from members,,you can post pumped pics none pumped,,flexing not flexing ,,in bed outside bed dont matter ,,a simple pic in normal light ,,can have shirt on too
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gh15 can i copy your "journals" ;D
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The ends have to justify the means...better to have been there, than not at all.
My motovation changed over the years given the timeframe it took me to get there.....had I turned pro in 1989 at 24 years old....I may have had a different mindset to try and be the best in the world...
After repeated attempts to turn pro, and 13 years of time....at 34 my the goal was simply to TURN pro. THat was my Olympia....
Once in the pro ranks, my goal was to GET to the Olympia stage...I achieved that in 2002. Of course I would have liked to have won a few shows on the circuit....but two runner-up finishes was as close as I would get....
Along the way, opportunities came my way in the form of spokesman, MC, radio host, writer, video work, etc. The "business of BB"....
Most guys try to get to the pro ranks to get what I already have....at this point, I would see it as a step backwards.
Bob was smart.
I think a lot of guys do get to the pro ranks, and THEN they don't know what to do....
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bob was in incredible shape at his masters win...i know people gave him a lot of shit but he deserved to win and ended his career in the best way possible...with a win and peaked to the max....
I was there and I think he deserved it
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GH's lack of natural willpower sickens me.
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Why does Bob Chick conveniently ignore all of gh15's posts, even when they are both writing in the same thread? :-\
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Why does Bob Chick conveniently ignore all of gh15's posts, even when they are both writing in the same thread? :-\
Perhaps were the same guy?
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Perhaps were the same guy?
You tell me, buddy. I just asked a question. ;)
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GH's lack of natural willpower sickens me.
LOL so true
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hundred and fucking 50 mgs of cyp a week will put most males in the 750-800ng'dl range of free test....very optimum for maintaining mass with your "suppressed" HPTA"
You mean total testosterone. Free test is much, much lower due to most of the testosterone molecules being bound to albumin and SHBG. Bound testosterone is inactive as it cannot bind to the androgen receptor.
But you are right in that 150mg per week will give AT LEAST 700ng/dl which is what a healthy 20 year old would produce naturally.
And Candjizzle is right in that even as low as 50mg per week of testosterone injected can completely shut down natural production.
You are both saying the same shit in different ways.
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I just look at the users and think- you'll be smaller than me in a few months when your off cycle or out of money.
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The ends have to justify the means...better to have been there, than not at all.
My motovation changed over the years given the timeframe it took me to get there.....had I turned pro in 1989 at 24 years old....I may have had a different mindset to try and be the best in the world...
After repeated attempts to turn pro, and 13 years of time....at 34 my the goal was simply to TURN pro. THat was my Olympia....
Once in the pro ranks, my goal was to GET to the Olympia stage...I achieved that in 2002. Of course I would have liked to have won a few shows on the circuit....but two runner-up finishes was as close as I would get....
Along the way, opportunities came my way in the form of spokesman, MC, radio host, writer, video work, etc. The "business of BB"....
Most guys try to get to the pro ranks to get what I already have....at this point, I would see it as a step backwards.
Bob, you've had a hell of run in this industry and don't show signs of slowing.....I think that's impressive. You're down to earth and doing what you love. I still think you shoulda won a pro show.
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No...better opportunites and common sense.
So you're saying the athletes you represent lack common sense?
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Why does Bob Chick conveniently ignore all of gh15's posts, even when they are both writing in the same thread? :-\
I recall gh15 calling "Bobby out for shooting oil in his biceps."
Bob retorted that was a 'beauty mark' in the infamous pics where something was amiss (untrained behind counter with biceps that were puffy when nothing else was).
Since then, it's like the two hardly talk.
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So you're saying the athletes you represent lack common sense?
Some do...some don't. Everyone's situation is different...what makes sense for one doesn't neccessarily makes sense for another.
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I recall gh15 calling "Bobby out for shooting oil in his biceps."
Bob retorted that was a 'beauty mark' in the infamous pics where something was amiss (untrained behind counter with biceps that were puffy when nothing else was).
Since then, it's like the two hardly talk.
Think Bob knows who gh15 is? Strange that he would let this guy spout off all this stuff about what the pros use without giving one of his sarcastic comments.