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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: rk272727 on May 03, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
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he does what he can, he can't force these guys to get health insurance and come to meetings to discuss forming a union, these guys are adults and make their own decisions.
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If he was a rep for the Teamsters, then they would have already fired his ass, but then again thats a very strong union. He represents pro bodybuilders, what do you really expect? What little leverage they do have, is offset by the total lack of unity among themselves. All in all he does an pretty good job overall I guess.
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He is, its the bodybuilders who have the problem
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yes he is, he does above and beyond what has been done in the past and I bet it isn't easy...he loves the sport and it shows so good for him...and good for the pros as well.
no offense to them but some pros are like sloths and care only about eating training sleeping and drugs or partying....you can't force these guys to do anything...
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In some cases, yes... also shawn or tom platz would have been great athletes reps too.
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yes he is, he does above and beyond what has been done in the past and I bet it isn't easy...he loves the sport and it shows so good for him...and good for the pros as well.
no offense to them but some pros are like sloths and care only about eating training sleeping and drugs or partying....you can't force these guys to do anything...
It's not about "forcing" them to do anything. It's pretty simple they have no ability to strike whatsoever. The powers to be know that and take advantage of it.
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I don't think he gets enough credit
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Bob's a politician and does as good a job as he can. Ask him any question about bb and his answer will resemble something like the following:
"Some do, some don't.....neither is right, neither is wrong.......black is white and white is black......some go up, some go down........some follow rules, some don't follow rules.......there are good points and there not so good points."
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Bob's a politician and does as good a job as he can. Ask him any question about bb and his answer will resemble something like the following:
"Some do, some don't.....neither is right, neither is wrong.......black is white and white is black......some go up, some go down........some follow rules, some don't follow rules.......there are good points and there not so good points."
So basically, your standard middle management jargon?
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bbers by definition are too self centered to rep anyone but themselves..
which is why i love this wacky sport of ours.. 8)
so in short..NO...but who gives an airbourne f
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Nobody (bbs) is complaining so yes.
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The mistake is to think of the athletes rep position in the same capacity as a union rep, in reality his position is more like human resources at any corporation. Human resources management serves as a liaison between corporate and the employees and can act on their behalf but doesn't have to and they have no bargaining power.
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Bob ,The one thing I always admired about you is your pro-active.
Most guys turn pro, and say what can bodybuilding do for me
Bob you on the other hand said.I am a pro bodybuilder, how can I use this vehicle( your pro card) to make the most of my life
You did movies, made probuilder weekly vidoes ,your the major represenitive for bodybuilding.com, your a spokes person for and representive for pro bodybuilders,and you have you shit together.
Bob, you have accomplished alot, and you know what, you deserve it
It couldnt happen to a nicer or more deserving person.
Keep up the good work Bob.
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So basically, your standard middle management jargon?
For the most part. Will never take a definite side unless it favors "the industry". Ask Bob the following, "Bob, do you have to take steriods to be a pro bb?" He'll answer, "People can do what they want. Some use drugs, some don't.....happens in every sport......do you have to live in a trailer to drive a race car?"
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Yes
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I would say Chic is a better IFBB rep than he is the IFBB athlete rep.
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IS CHICK A GOOD ATHLETES REP????
It depends on your point of view. To Jim Manion and Ben Weider, Bob is a very good athlete's rep. ;)
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Wayne Demilia is less than complimentary about Bob. He always tells people that Bob lacks the mental faculties to fulfil a role like this properly.
Wayne frequently brags about times past when he would 'own' chick and terrify him into submission.
He has said that Bob is simply a patsy and stooge for the IFBB. I am not siding with Wayne but Wayne does not think Bob is remotely capable of the bravery, lateral thinking, and genuine concern for those he supposedly represents, to do the job even slightly effectively.
I personally cannot judge Bob. What do these 'athletes' think about their rep? Are they bowled over by his sterling work on internet forums and devotion to Tom Prince?
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Wayne Demilia is less than complimentary about Bob. He always tells people that Bob lacks the mental faculties to fulfil a role like this properly.
Wayne frequently brags about times past when he would 'own' chick and terrify him into submission.
He has said that Bob is simply a patsy and stooge for the IFBB. I am not siding with Wayne but Wayne does not think Bob is remotely capable of the bravery, lateral thinking, and genuine concern for those he supposedly represents, to do the job even slightly effectively.
I personally cannot judge Bob. What do these 'athletes' think about their rep? Are they bowled over by his sterling work on internet forums and devotion to Tom Prince?
useless without quotes
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CHICK! rocks
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Look at who Bob is. He was competitive many years ago but never figured in the top tier. He won a controversial masters contest and is now doing the rounds as a commentator. He is hardly representative of the top guys.
The way the IFBB works a competitor would be an idiot to rock the boat or be seen to be against anything the IFBB does. The pro committee is composed of people who promote shows and get involved in the judging process. Therefore, all the lads know they don't touch that position with a 10 foot pole. They don't attend meetings because the reps job is to identify and report on recalcitrant athletes. The reward for being outspoken is 8th place. Everyone knows this.
Because even the dense athletes won't do the rep job, Jim Manion had to do the right thing so he appointed his mate, the upwardly mobile Bob Chick, to the position. Bob jumped at the chance because it gives him status in the game and he needs this for his CV. End of story. He is the stooge for Manion and apologist for the IFBB and everyone is happy except the athletes.
Bottom line is we get more of the same so expect more controversial decisions, etc. All Bob can do is present the IFBB decisions to the athletes instead of the other way round. In other words, the whole deal is a sham.
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Chick is #1 just ask him and who could have got all that extra prize money and better health plans and look how well he did helping Lee and Milos both guys owe him everything and look how Troy Alves can guest pose where ever he wants all because of CHICK.Dude is a stand up guy all the way stand up guy. ::)
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Wayne Demilia is less than complimentary about Bob. He always tells people that Bob lacks the mental faculties to fulfil a role like this properly.
Wayne frequently brags about times past when he would 'own' chick and terrify him into submission.
He has said that Bob is simply a patsy and stooge for the IFBB. I am not siding with Wayne but Wayne does not think Bob is remotely capable of the bravery, lateral thinking, and genuine concern for those he supposedly represents, to do the job even slightly effectively.
I personally cannot judge Bob. What do these 'athletes' think about their rep? Are they bowled over by his sterling work on internet forums and devotion to Tom Prince?
I think that's pretty funny...especially since Wayne was quick to take concern when I was putting together a meeting to see if there was enough interest for a Union....caling athletes, threatening contracts, etc....
Bottom line is...look where Wayne is now, and look where I am.....who got "owned" exactly?
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Look at who Bob is. He was competitive many years ago but never figured in the top tier. He won a controversial masters contest and is now doing the rounds as a commentator. He is hardly representative of the top guys.
The way the IFBB works a competitor would be an idiot to rock the boat or be seen to be against anything the IFBB does. The pro committee is composed of people who promote shows and get involved in the judging process. Therefore, all the lads know they don't touch that position with a 10 foot pole. They don't attend meetings because the reps job is to identify and report on recalcitrant athletes. The reward for being outspoken is 8th place. Everyone knows this.
Because even the dense athletes won't do the rep job, Jim Manion had to do the right thing so he appointed his mate, the upwardly mobile Bob Chick, to the position. Bob jumped at the chance because it gives him status in the game and he needs this for his CV. End of story. He is the stooge for Manion and apologist for the IFBB and everyone is happy except the athletes.
Bottom line is we get more of the same so expect more controversial decisions, etc. All Bob can do is present the IFBB decisions to the athletes instead of the other way round. In other words, the whole deal is a sham.
In truth, Bob wouldn't catch any shit at all if they simply changed his title to "IFBB Public Relations Director". Everyone knows what he does and doesn't do and who he represents. It's the hypocrisy of the "athletes rep" title, like he's some kinda union rep for the athletes or something, that bothers most people.
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Bottom line is...look where Wayne is now, and look where I am.....who got "owned" exactly?
Gee, Bob, kicking a guy when he's fighting cancer for his life... that's mature. ::)
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In truth, Bob wouldn't catch any shit at all if they simply changed his title to "IFBB Public Relations Director". Everyone knows what he does and doesn't do and who he represents. It's the hypocrisy of the "athletes rep" title, like he's some kinda union rep for the athletes or something, that bothers most people.
Funny thing is...it only seems to "bother" the people that it has nothing to do with....the ONLY people that matter (the athletes) have no problem with my work, and have been nothing but supportive to the changes I've made on their behalf...
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Gee, Bob, kicking a guy when he's fighting cancer for his life... that's mature. ::)
Please...he's not "fighting for his life"......and no one was making any reference to his health. Apparently he's health enough to be making calls and sending emails looking for money for his latest venture...
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Funny thing is...it only seems to "bother" the people that it has nothing to do with....the ONLY people that matter (the athletes) have no problem with my work, and have been nothing but supportive to the changes I've made on their behalf...
Yeah, like they're gonna talk shit about you to your face. Where exactly does that get them? It certainly doesn't help, and worst case you might mention to your buddy Manion that this or that pro is a "troublemaker". ::)
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Please...he's not "fighting for his life"......and no one was making any reference to his health. Apparently he's health enough to be making calls and sending emails looking for money for his latest venture...
Damn thats hardcore. ;D
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Hey Bob Milos wants his Pro card back any chance of seeing what you can do to help him without him on bended knee to the IFBB????.
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Yeah, like they're gonna talk shit about you to your face. Where exactly does that get them? It certainly doesn't help, and worst case you might mention to your buddy Manion that this or that pro is a "troublemaker". ::)
I talk to athletes at every show, expo, appearances, etc.....they have my email. They could post anonymously. they could voice concerns. I get feedback on occasion from the few pro's who do seem to take an interest.
Why do you insist on talking shit when you're as informed as Basile?
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Hey Bob Milos wants his Pro card back any chance of seeing what you can do to help him without him on bended knee to the IFBB????.
Already been discussed with Milos...if he wanted back in, he could have done so already...not a priority to him at this time.
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They could post anonymously.
Maybe they do. You seem to get a lot of shit from anonymous posters on here. How would you know who any of them are?
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Look at who Bob is. He was a very sexy young strapping boy with a promising future. He stole my heart the day he turned 15 and passed my own physical abilities as a man. He has the looks of an Adonis & the body of a god. Yes, I was jealous. At 15, he was everything I wasn't.
The way the IFBB worked him would of been in no comaprison with him under my wing. I could have taught him the ways of being an outcast amongst my peers. I could have taught him the fine arts of sneaking up on a nude beach & snap photo's of adolescent boys & girls. Hey, they wouldn't be out there naked if they didn't want me taking their pictures. I could have shown him the ways of inventions. He could of actually invented body building commentary if I hadn't done it first. Everyone knows this.
Because I was such a threat, Jim Manion had to do the right thing. He had given the upwardly mobile Bob Chick,the position behind my ass & to keep me out of exposing the IFBB for what it is. Bob jumped at the chance because it gives him status in the game and he needs this for his CV.
Did I mention this queer color I write in is in Navy?
Interesting
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Interesting
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Navy? Basile is king of the ghey purple font.
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Milos if you lick the IFBB balls and apologise Chick the Rep can get you back in.Sounds about right damn you do a great job. ::)
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I talk to athletes at every show, expo, appearances, etc.....they have my email. They could post anonymously. they could voice concerns. I get feedback on occasion from the few pro's who do seem to take an interest.
Why do you insist on talking shit when you're as informed as Basile?
Hey bob
What's your email so I can email you anonymously?
Since you won't know it's me....I'll make recommendations like I'm a Pro Athlete.
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Oh....this is one of those 20% posts if you couldn't tell
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Please...he's not "fighting for his life"......
I talked to wayne this week. I'm not going to say anything but you shouldn't post this Bob.
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I talked to wayne this week. I'm not going to say anything but you shouldn't post this Bob.
Is the cancer up his ass getting worse ???
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Is the cancer up his ass getting worse ???
I thought it was prostate cancer, not colon cancer?
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240 that wasn't Chick talking that was the IFBB in him.Wayne ran the best NY Pro and now look at it a 3rd tier show that Chick could win Fuk has it gone down hill. ::)
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I thought it was prostate cancer, not colon cancer?
Stick your finger up there & find out
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I talked to wayne this week. I'm not going to say anything but you shouldn't post this Bob.
I certainly don't wish anything bad on Wayne....despite our differences, i hope all is well with his health.
That said...it hasn't slowed down his business of looking for sponsorship money. That I know for fact.
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Wayne ran the best NY Pro and now look at it a 3rd tier show that Chick could win Fuk has it gone down hill. ::)
Chick could come in second and qualify for the O. He couldn't beat Kai Greene... unless of course Bodybuilding.com decided to sponsor the show! :D
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I think that's pretty funny...especially since Wayne was quick to take concern when I was putting together a meeting to see if there was enough interest for a Union....caling athletes, threatening contracts, etc....
Bottom line is...look where Wayne is now, and look where I am.....who got "owned" exactly?
That's pretty cool of you to take steps towards unionizing. What was the general feedback from the pros? That's got to be frustrating, trying to help these guys out and not getting the support needed to form at least somewhat of a union.
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That's pretty cool of you to take steps towards unionizing. What was the general feedback from the pros? That's got to be frustrating, trying to help these guys out and not getting the support needed to form at least somewhat of a union.
The feedback was excellent before Wayne started threatening people's contracts, etc....
The athlete's will always get what they've gotten, because they have always failed to work as one cohesive unit....and most likely...always will.
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You mean like the way the IFBB looked after Lee and Milos???FFS YOU HYPOCRITE.
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Bob, Wayne often recounts the story - mentioned in the book 'Muscle' - where he kicked you out of a meeting. He told you to get the hell out and you meekly got up and he yelled at you to close the door.
Bob, this is Wayne's account of what happened. He simply tore you a new one and told you that you had no place being there and pointed at you. Bob, Wayne thinks you tamely accepted his orders and slunk out the room.
I personally wondered on hearing this if Wayne somehow intimidated you Bob. Wayne, for all his faults, could handle these roid raging meatheads probably better than anyone else. Bob, Wayne feels that he dominated you in all your dealings with each other.
He also mentions that he humiliated Shawn R in a similar fashion.
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I think that's pretty funny...especially since Wayne was quick to take concern when I was putting together a meeting to see if there was enough interest for a Union....caling athletes, threatening contracts, etc....
Bottom line is...look where Wayne is now, and look where I am.....who got "owned" exactly?
Lord oh Lord! Chic have you done more for BB than Wayne has. Come on you are getting delusional like Goodrum. Sure you are the best Athletes Rep ever, we hear it all the time...........from you. If you acted as a rep in any sport or industry like you do with the IFBB you have been ousted immediately. The only thing is the BB themselves could care less about you or what you have done. Insurance? What the fuck did you do? You got insurance yet no one has it. How many of the people you rep are using the insurance you got. Here I will help you with the answer. Well, I got it and it is up to them if they want it (in a dumb look type of voice). The only people you have helped at all is the IFBB brass. You have been able to be the person who takes all the shit so they don't have to. For some odd reason you think it is impressive what you have done. Do this, list everything you have done as a rep to the IFBB members. Just list them one by one with a sentence or two. Very simple, you don't have to use any of that fancy double talk bullshit you always seem to come with. Just list them. there ain't that many. So just do that for now. No bullshit, just put the list down. Defend yourself, show us what you have done so far. Brag as much as possible. Try to make it impressive. We will see how good it is.
By the way, a good rep would have been able to get all the members to work together. So far you have done nothing to achieve that. Not even close
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The feedback was excellent before Wayne started threatening people's contracts, etc....
The athlete's will always get what they've gotten, because they have always failed to work as one cohesive unit....and most likely...always will.
Classic union busting. You are from the Northeast you know all about that sort of stuff. You are doing the best you can under the circumstances. Like I said it has to be frustrating when you try to get something started and then on top of all that you have a bunch of guys in here constantly hating on you, even though they don't know jack shit as far as the conversations you have had with the pros and management.
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Wayne was indeed a Force to reckon with more Power to the guy.It's a SHAME he left or should I say kicked out by the powers to be they knew he was way too strong to rope back in.So many Shows were cancelled that year and have not come back.Chick is a boy compared to Wayne.
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Bob, Wayne often recounts the story - mentioned in the book 'Muscle' - where he kicked you out of a meeting. He told you to get the hell out and you meekly got up and he yelled at you to close the door.
Bob, this is Wayne's account of what happened. He simply tore you a new one and told you that you had no place being there and pointed at you. Bob, Wayne thinks you tamely accepted his orders and slunk out the room.
I personally wondered on hearing this if Wayne somehow intimidated you Bob. Wayne, for all his faults, could handle these roid raging meatheads probably better than anyone else. Bob, Wayne feels that he dominated you in all your dealings with each other.
He also mentions that he humiliated Shawn R in a similar fashion.
Bullshit...Shawn was the athlete's Rep, I was merely there in support of him. Wayne did ask me to leave the meeting as only Shawn had the right to be there on the athletes behalf...I had no problem with that.
Wayne can believe anything he wants...it's his opinion. At the end of the day, it was his brash thinking and belief that he was smarter than everyone else, that led to him being fired and thrown out of the IFBB.
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Lord oh Lord! Chic have you done more for BB than Wayne has. Come on you are getting delusional like Goodrum. Sure you are the best Athletes Rep ever, we hear it all the time...........from you. If you acted as a rep in any sport or industry like you do with the IFBB you have been ousted immediately. The only thing is the BB themselves could care less about you or what you have done. Insurance? What the fuck did you do? You got insurance yet no one has it. How many of the people you rep are using the insurance you got. Here I will help you with the answer. Well, I got it and it is up to them if they want it (in a dumb look type of voice). The only people you have helped at all is the IFBB brass. You have been able to be the person who takes all the shit so they don't have to. For some odd reason you think it is impressive what you have done. Do this, list everything you have done as a rep to the IFBB members. Just list them one by one with a sentence or two. Very simple, you don't have to use any of that fancy double talk bullshit you always seem to come with. Just list them. there ain't that many. So just do that for now. No bullshit, just put the list down. Defend yourself, show us what you have done so far. Brag as much as possible. Try to make it impressive. We will see how good it is.
By the way, a good rep would have been able to get all the members to work together. So far you have done nothing to achieve that. Not even close
I don't have to list what I've done for the athletes...we have official minutes that are kept at every pro league meeting...look them up in your spare time (you seem to have enough of it)...
They've been listed here numerous times...
As for the insurance...many have signed up. Why would you comment on things you have no direct knowledge of?
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Bullshit...Shawn was the athlete's Rep, I was merely there in support of him. Wayne did ask me to leave the meeting as only Shawn had the right to be there on the athletes behalf...I had no problem with that.
Wayne can believe anything he wants...it's his opinion. At the end of the day, it was his brash thinking and belief that he was smarter than everyone else, that led to him being fired and thrown out of the IFBB.
If he hadn't tried to make a move against Weider he'd still be there. Nobody cared that he treated the "athletes" like shit, but trying to cut the boss out is a no-no.
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Fired and Thrown out yeah and with him went a heap of shows and MONEY now that was a great move for the Athletes.Another great move by the IFBB.IDIOTS.
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If he hadn't tried to make a move against Weider he'd still be there. Nobody cared that he treated the "athletes" like shit, but trying to cut the boss out is a no-no.
Like I said.....
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When Wayne left it was a sign of BAD times to come BB has gone way down hill ever since.ESP for the Pros.Run a Fukin Poll and see how many Pros liked it better when Wayne was at the helm???.
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he does what he can, he can't force these guys to get health insurance and come to meetings to discuss forming a union, these guys are adults and make their own decisions.
Bottom line, most IFBB Pro don't care enough to seriously want to work with Chick and supporting him, and learning the business, about things, etc. If they did, it would be nice to see.
In some cases, yes... also shawn or tom platz would have been great athletes reps too.
Shawn Ray was the first Athlete's Rep, but when things get tough, sometimes you need to work it out.
Human resources management serves as a liaison between corporate and the employees and can act on their behalf but doesn't have to and they have no bargaining power.
The point as the Athlete's Rep is to listen to the athletes, bring proposals to the meetings, which Bob can do, and help an athlete when he needs it.
He is not there to go crazy, threaten everyone, scream we won't compete unless we get everything. He is there to help. It is up to the competitors to want his help.
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This is a good thing you know.........for Wayne. Now you are the fallguy for this so called organization. Funny how when Wayne was running shit he got all the flack. Now Manion is running the shit, and he has you to take all the flack. That must be great from him. I can see the meeting:
Manion: okay guys, if I an going to be the president now I just want to be able to kick back collect money. We need someone we can count on to do what we say when we say it but he can't be on our payroll. Someone, if we hand him a championship and promise the company he works for can be involved with our shows will be the guy who everyone can fuck with a guy who will have to handle all the crap so I don't have to.
Weider: But who Jimmy, who would want to do that for us. At least Wayne put on great shows. We don't know a thing about promoting a show
Manion: don't worry Benny I have a guy in mind. Have you heard of Bob Chicherillo.
Weider: No sounds kind of familar. Is he that black kid from North Carolina who sells that Magic Stick. I love that thing.
Manion: No, that some monkey named Goodshit or something like that. Bob is that guy who has tried to be an IFBB pro since the Reagan days.
Weider: Oh yea I remember him.
Manion: okay then it's final I will appoint him as the Athletes Rep. He can pretend he is doing things for the atheltes but really it will be for the IFBB
Weider: oh goody, so does that mean I can see more BB's in my office.
Manion: whatever floats your boat Ben
Like i thought, no list. Have 5 BB's come on and say they have the insurance you set up. I bet not one will. Its okay Chic I'm just busting your balls. It is a Saturday and I am just having fun with you. But like I said, get out while you still can
You can say all you want about me and Chick but here's the facts.
1. The IFBB is better and more popular than ever.
2. Bob is still the Athletes Rep who works hard with no compensation on his end. Its not a paying job
3. Lee Priest is suspended, just as I said would happen a long time ago
4. The PDI went belly up in less than a year
5. Your still a fat ass but with a truckload of useless PDI T-Shirts.
BTW, despite all your talk, you still had a big sign up on your Mr O booth saying "Proud Sponsor of the IFBB" Even your fat ass had to bow down
AND.........
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so does spell check
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so does spell check
Shut the hell up.
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Shut the hell up.
hey...aren't you the phag that makes fun of other fags?
& now calling fat people fat...when you're fat?
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Not really. He doesnt stand up for the athletes like he should. Hes scared to rock the boat with Manion.
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Vince when you get your IFBB Pro card will you vote for Bob as the Pros Rep?Hey that was a loaded question they don't vote anymore Job for life baby Livin the Dream.
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All you did was bring about a 6week contract date and have the 5k Fine back to 1k if you can't compete.Fuk all really. ::)How much Money increase in all shows please Post those shows worth more money now Bob.
Here's a hint for you, Moron...there has been more than ONE meeting.
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Hey Bob You can't call me a MORON just ask Ron.
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When Wayne left it was a sign of BAD times to come BB has gone way down hill ever since.ESP for the Pros.Run a Fukin Poll and see how many Pros liked it better when Wayne was at the helm???.
LOL....oh boy...you REALLY don't know what you're talking about
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LOL....oh boy...you REALLY don't know what you're talking about
insert elevator 'shaft' joke
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Bob was different when he lived in a one bed room apartment with o air conditioning struggling as he came out of Bankruptcy. He and Barbar would hit the local amateur and pro shows for Bodybuilding.com with their traveling one booth road show. Fortunately for him, it exploded.
Bob dropped the alcoholic, married a rich girl, and has a full time job now with Bodybuilding.com. Bob's perspective has changed from help the fellow man to screw the pro groveling for a hand-out.
HUH?
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Chic honestly look at where you are going. Goodrum is easily the most fucked up guy on here and is a known dummy and he is defending you. He is on your side. Doesn't that tell you, you may be doing something wrong. My lord buddy, Goodrum is your ally is that where you want to be. Think about your family
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You know it's weird but Chick's the only one with competitor stars on this thread. Perhaps if there were still competitors on this board this thread would be worth something. I'll tell you one thing at least Chick stays around even though he pretty much only gets crap any time he's on.
Thanks Bob.
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You know it's weird but Chick's the only one with competitor stars on this thread. Perhaps if there were still competitors on this board this thread would be worth something. I'll tell you one thing at least Chick stays around even though he pretty much only gets crap any time he's on.
Thanks Bob.
I think Chick is instructed by his IFBB masters to hang out here and spout the party line, lest we evil Getbggers infect too many potential IFBB customers and participants with the truth.
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I think Chick is instructed by his IFBB masters to hang out here and spout the party line, lest we evil Getbggers infect too many potential IFBB customers and participants with ridiculous garbage.
And it's a good thing!
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And it's a good thing!
So in your view, the truth = "ridiculous garbage"?
It's thanks to the limited mental faculties of people such as yourself that authoritarian regimes are able to exist. Normally, I'm all for manipulating the stupid, but I'd prefer it if I were the one doing the manipulating, not some old Jew in California and his Irish lapdog in Pittsburgh.
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yep.
Have a nice day