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When i have the energy after a calf or thigh workout I hit the incline treadmill for 10-15 min. It seems to reduce the lactic acid buildup and soreness the next day.
Anybody else do any cardio after weightlifting? I was wondering if jogging after a leg workout is overkill. Bear in mind it isnt often.
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I WOULDNT DO IT
1) lifting weights= release cortisol, depletes glycogen
1) cardio with elevated cortisol and depleted glycogen = muscle eating
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2) cardio after lifting weights= muscle eating
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I do it all the time :) It does help to stave off the soreness of a leg workout.
Weight Lifting=Glycogen depletion
Cardio after weight lifting= Fat reserve usage
If you are really worried about muscle wasting after lifting, have some Amino Acids prior to the cardio, you'll be fine
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I do it all the time :) It does help to stave off the soreness of a leg workout.
Weight Lifting=Glycogen depletion
Cardio after weight lifting= Fat reserve usage
If you are really worried about muscle wasting after lifting, have some Amino Acids prior to the cardio, you'll be fine
true, 2-3 grams bcaa would do the trick
but because i am a big believer of drinking some kind of sugar to spike insulin while working out... cardio post training would be stupid idea FOR ME, or for somebody who isnt going to take those bcaa's
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true, 2-3 grams bcaa would do the trick
but because i am a big believer of drinking some kind of sugar to spike insulin while working out... cardio post training would be stupid idea FOR ME, or for somebody who isnt going to take those bcaa's
Yep, I agree. I'm just leaning out so I do cadio after lifting all the time. So to the original question, there is no harm running after a leg workout if it makes you feal less sore the next day. At least not for the everyday gym rat that 99% of us are on this board 8) Use the suggestions above and apply them accordingly.
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I do it all the time :) It does help to stave off the soreness of a leg workout.
Weight Lifting=Glycogen depletion
Cardio after weight lifting= Fat reserve usage
If you are really worried about muscle wasting after lifting, have some Amino Acids prior to the cardio, you'll be fine
LOW INTENSITY Cardio after weight lifting= Fat reserve usage
HIGH INTENSITY Cardio after weight lifting= muscle wasting
Insulin spike after workout = teh best
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LOW INTENSITY Cardio after weight lifting= Fat reserve usage
HIGH INTENSITY Cardio after weight lifting= muscle wasting
Insulin spike after workout = teh best
your partially correct with your first two lines, like lamefalshoo mentioned, youd need to take asome bcaa's in order to stop muscle eating even with low intensity cardio
why do you think an insulin spike POST workout would be beneficial ?
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It's kind of rare that i do cardio after my workout but when i do have the energy i use the incline treadmill. Usually it helps get the lactic acid flowing rather than get it locked in a certain area. After a good leg workout my legs are packed tight and walking down stairs is a real challenge so some light cardio loosens 'em up.
When i do use the treadmill its pretty much low intensity because I'm wasted for the most part. I'm not too worried about muscle wasting because i do it so rarely. Usually i do cardio by itself - jogging outdoors rather than on a treadmill.
Thanks for your input folks.
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No cardio on leg day.
How anyone can run after doing legs is a mystery to me.
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no cardio for me either to be honest im having a hard time walking down the stairs to the locker room
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Some type of cardio before legs is a nice way to warmup the joints; after is ya, hard to imagine if the legs have been worked hard.
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your partially correct with your first two lines, like lamefalshoo mentioned, youd need to take asome bcaa's in order to stop muscle eating even with low intensity cardio
why do you think an insulin spike POST workout would be beneficial ?
1. I just take a teaspoon of whey before cardio, that and of course a cup of coffee and a glas of water
2. is there something?
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1. I just take a teaspoon of whey before cardio, that and of course a cup of coffee and a glas of water
2. is there something?
1. that would probably work
2. i still think youd benefit from drinking some kiind of sugar during yuour workouts. and if you did this, then post workout cardio would be a waste.
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When i have the energy after a calf or thigh workout I hit the incline treadmill for 10-15 min. It seems to reduce the lactic acid buildup and soreness the next day.
Anybody else do any cardio after weightlifting? I was wondering if jogging after a leg workout is overkill. Bear in mind it isnt often.
Comments?
You wanna reduce soreness, just stretch a lot after your leg workouts. I think you'll find that, no matter how brutal those workouts are, you will have next to no soreness the next day, depending on how much stretching you do. Gives you a lot of insight into the whole DOMS debate if ya think about it...
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You wanna reduce soreness, just stretch a lot after your leg workouts. I think you'll find that, no matter how brutal those workouts are, you will have next to no soreness the next day, depending on how much stretching you do. Gives you a lot of insight into the whole DOMS debate if ya think about it...
Totally agree.
I've been stretching HEAPS lately, and i've noticed a BIG difference. On tuesday i did legs, next day they weren't even sore, i could just "feel" them, if that makes sense. Whereas before, after a leg wprkout i'd be struggling to walk the next day.
imo, DOMS has no indication of muscular hypertrophy, and one should never judge the effectiveness of a workout by the severity of DOMS...
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true, 2-3 grams bcaa would do the trick
but because i am a big believer of drinking some kind of sugar to spike insulin while working out... cardio post training would be stupid idea FOR ME, or for somebody who isnt going to take those bcaa's
2-3 grams of bcaa's after training will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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2-3 grams of bcaa's after training will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
oh yeah flex, and how do you figure ? let me EXPERT
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oh yeah flex, and how do you figure ? let me EXPERT
Candiz,
I actually dont hate u like 90% of this board, so keep cool there.
2-3 grams of bcaa's is like trying to smother a fire with a napkin, it just aint gonna do shit bro.
Now mega dosing (atleast 20g) of bcaa's have shown to have anti-catabolic and anabolic effects ( just read some of charles poliquins research) but 2-3 grams aint going to do shit for any reason. Just for use after cardio or what it doesnt matter. Its just not going to do anything positive for you. Except burn a whole in your wallet. because bcaa are expensive.
Well I wouldnt say that my B.S in Kinesiology and nutrition would make me an expert, but I just know a little bit more than your average inshape personal trainer with an ISSA certification.
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TAKE 15-20 GRAMS OF BCAA'S AND YOUR GOING TO SPIKE INSULIN, USE THOSE BCAA'S FOR FUEL, AND BECOME DEPRESSED.
TAKE 2-3 GRAMS BCAA NO SPIKE IN INSULIN, USE FT FOR FUEL, NO EFECT FOR MOOD.
I AM COOL BRO BUT THIS IS ACCURATE INFO
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TAKE 15-20 GRAMS OF BCAA'S AND YOUR GOING TO SPIKE INSULIN, USE THOSE BCAA'S FOR FUEL, AND BECOME DEPRESSED.
TAKE 2-3 GRAMS BCAA NO SPIKE IN INSULIN, USE FT FOR FUEL, NO EFECT FOR MOOD.
I AM COOL BRO BUT THIS IS ACCURATE INFO
And where did u get this "accurate" info from?
Its just rediculous to me. Branch chains will not "spike" insulin, they might cause a slight rise in insulin but will not spike them.
Im talking about taking 20grams of bcaas pre, peri, and post workout, thats the only way to do it, 5 before 10 during and 5 after works well and you'll have no reason to worry about losing muscle doing cardio.
Which is stupid anyways cos if your doing 30 minutes of cardio and you had proper pre and a proper post workout nutrition you'll be fine and wont lose any muscle.
You can OVERTHINK this totally and worry about insulin spikes and gluconeogenesis and whatever the fuck else u want to worry about. But plain and simple its like this, if your eating six or seven protein filled meals a day, your going to have a constant flow of amino acids in your blood and you'll be just fine doing cardio first thing in the mornign, post workout, or whenever else u want to do it.
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I agree with wes, how can anybody run after training legs?
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When i have the energy after a calf or thigh workout I hit the incline treadmill for 10-15 min. It seems to reduce the lactic acid buildup and soreness the next day.
Anybody else do any cardio after weightlifting? I was wondering if jogging after a leg workout is overkill. Bear in mind it isnt often.
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id save the cardio for ANY other time except straight after a workout. specially a leg workout.
do your workout , eat, and save you cardio for whenever, but dont do it straight after your workouts.
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id save the cardio for ANY other time except straight after a workout. specially a leg workout.
do your workout , eat, and save you cardio for whenever, but dont do it straight after your workouts.
Agreed.
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I don't agree with wht i'd consider a proper session of cardio after leg day, but 10 minutes at a low intensity on the treadmill or bike (preferred option as i don't have to actually stand up) definitely reduces soreness for me.
I got legs to do today. Bring it on
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And where did u get this "accurate" info from?
Its just rediculous to me. Branch chains will not "spike" insulin, they might cause a slight rise in insulin but will not spike them.
Im talking about taking 20grams of bcaas pre, peri, and post workout, thats the only way to do it, 5 before 10 during and 5 after works well and you'll have no reason to worry about losing muscle doing cardio.
Which is stupid anyways cos if your doing 30 minutes of cardio and you had proper pre and a proper post workout nutrition you'll be fine and wont lose any muscle.
You can OVERTHINK this totally and worry about insulin spikes and gluconeogenesis and whatever the fuck else u want to worry about. But plain and simple its like this, if your eating six or seven protein filled meals a day, your going to have a constant flow of amino acids in your blood and you'll be just fine doing cardio first thing in the mornign, post workout, or whenever else u want to do it.
I agree, a lot of people make things too complicated
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Some type of cardio before legs is a nice way to warmup the joints; after is ya, hard to imagine if the legs have been worked hard.
Good point - after about 20 mins the knees feel ready to go.
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what do you guys think about doign sprint/walk/srpint/walk on a 15 degree incline on te treadmill before doing legs ?
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Are you serious Candi?
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what do you guys think about doign sprint/walk/srpint/walk on a 15 degree incline on te treadmill before doing legs ?
I don't see the point. Just warm up on the treadmill/stationary bike then do some light warm up sets.
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Are you serious Candi?
yeah.
i hate to do high intensity cardio... i never do it ! i never run at all. never do anything like that. but i hear abotu how great it if for fat lloss.... right now im taking a few more weeks to strip off some fat... so i wonder if that would be a good idea ? i tried to jog on that 15 degree incline and it was entirely quad work..
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what do you guys think about doign sprint/walk/srpint/walk on a 15 degree incline on te treadmill before doing legs ?
Ya know, "warmups" for any bodypart, at least to the degree you're talking about here, are overrated. Don't underestimate your body's potential to adapt, and very quickly within a workout, to new levels of stress put on it. The key is to find the right balance so that you don't "pre-exhaust" your legs and thus sap some strength from them that could be better applied to adding another rep to your top set. Same goes for actual warmups. Don't rep the hell out of your legs before you even get to your top set, but on the other hand don't jump straight to your top set after doing 2 measely warm up reps. There's a balance to be found, and only you know what that is for your body.
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panda im sking because i want to use hit cardio and this is the only way i can think of where its not muscle wasting and doesnt interfere with recovery ... i just want to get some opinions on how it will effect my quad development.... right now im growing as i cut and i wonder if this will hinder or help that ?
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What I do is run in the morning then go to school, eat then go back later to lift weights. I like to break it up
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What I do is run in the morning then go to school, eat then go back later to lift weights. I like to break it up
see to me, i dont like that much. for one, if your doing it on days when your not working out legs...i think your interfering with your leg recovery and hinderingg growth by running all the time. and if you are only doing it on leg day...well i think your probably over training to soem extent; but that is pretty much my question... if its okay to do duing leg workout...
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panda im sking because i want to use hit cardio and this is the only way i can think of where its not muscle wasting and doesnt interfere with recovery ... i just want to get some opinions on how it will effect my quad development.... right now im growing as i cut and i wonder if this will hinder or help that ?
Forget this "muscle-wasting" bullshit. Unless you're planning to run a 10K marathon after your squat workout, you aren't going to lose any muscle (and even then you wouldn't, as long as you get enough calories). The key is just to get adequate nutrition to your muscles at some point within a reasonable amount of time of your workout. You don't need to down 1000 calories worth of protein within 30 minutes of your workout, either, to keep you from losing all the gains you'd potentially make during that previous workout.
Listen, here's the deal. Don't get so "scientific" or even squeamish about things. The body is a tough, tough machine and can withstand a lot. Give it some credit. The best gains are made when you are 100% focussed on getting stronger and being able to lift increasingly heavier weights for a decent amount of reps, and pushing yourself so hard that you think you're going to die--each and every workout. Eat like a horse. Get plenty of sleep. That's the basic formula. Trainees make things way more complicated than they should be.