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This country is f**ked.
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This country is f**ked.
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It strikes me as odd how many black people are jumping on the Obama band wagon considering how early in the campaign they overwhelmingly supported Clinton. It k ind of reminds me of how no black person knew who Tiger woods was until he started winning and then tried to claim him. But, I don't think those screaming idiots represent all of Obama supporters and more importantly Obama himself.
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It strikes me as odd how many black people are jumping on the Obama band wagon considering how early in the campaign they overwhelmingly supported Clinton. It k ind of reminds me of how no black person knew who Tiger woods was until he started winning and then tried to claim him. But, I don't think those screaming idiots represent all of Obama supporters and more importantly Obama himself.
I think it probably represents about 75% of them.
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These fine Americans are trying to save this country from the Clintons.
They should be lauded as heroes.
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Anyone who honestly believes that any of the top tier candidates is any better than the next is in denial of how truly fucked the American political system is.
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Anyone who honestly believes that any of the top tier candidates is any better than the next is in denial of how truly fucked the American political system is.
for sure, but the problem is that colored leaders would destroy the quality of life for the whites, who built this country int he first place.
So even if mac cain is a moron, at least he will care about his owns, like obama will only care about the blacks.
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Anyone who honestly believes that any of the top tier candidates is any better than the next is in denial of how truly fucked the American political system is.
oh please please learn us how fucked our political system be mr master of amerik an civics. ::) ::) ::)
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This country is f**ked.
8 yrs worth of bush....
we got fucked 8 yrs ago...
911 is proof...the stupid piece of shit ws too dumb to prevent 13 non english speaking uneducated girls to kill thousands of americans...
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Obama's socialist policies would greatly benefit blacks; most of whom are already recieving some sort of benefit.
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Obama's socialist policies would greatly benefit blacks; most of whom are already recieving some sort of benefit.
Obama would only make the US look like modern europe; constant flood of not willing to integrate or work immigrants and more and more politically correctness and affirmative action toward colored people.
Any white individual voting for obama is signing the west's testament.
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bwahahahaha
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bwahahahaha
Youandme, I gotta admit that I will actually click on a thread if I see you posted bc I love your Avatar :)
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Obama would only make the US look like modern europe; constant flood of not willing to integrate or work immigrants and more and more politically correctness and affirmative action toward colored people.
Any white individual voting for obama is signing the west's testament.
I hate to agree, but that's pretty much true.
We'd have a flood of mexicans and a north american union.
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oh please please learn us how fucked our political system be mr master of amerik an civics. ::) ::) ::)
You fit in right here, sir:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=210117.msg2911440#msg2911440
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These fine Americans are trying to save this country from the Clintons.
Yeah, you're right--after all, George W. hasn't caused any of the problems that we face now and has done one helluva bang-up job. ::)
Get bent.
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All 3 candidates are flawed. Only an idiot in denial would say any one of them is the perfect candidate. however, I think any of the 3 will do fine in office. Anyone who says "So-and-so will destroy America" is being a drama queen and is completely unaware of the many support systems in place to prevent one guys' bad judgment from hurting anything in a big way.
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there should be a mandatory IQ test for you to be allowed to vote, if it is under 90, you arent allowed to vote
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there should be a mandatory IQ test for you to be allowed to vote, if it is under 90, you arent allowed to vote
have fun on the sidelines.
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there should be a mandatory IQ test for you to be allowed to vote, if it is under 90, you arent allowed to vote
No. For two reasons.
1) Lawmakers (who are rich) would embrace this new "change-ability" of right-to-vote, and quickly make it anyone worth less than $500k cannot vote. While this wouldn't affect getbiggers, our gym-mates would be disenfranchised.
2) Our Constitution says all men were created equal, and all have one equal vote. Employing a test nullifies the Constitution and well, you know what comes after that...
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No. For two reasons.
1) Lawmakers (who are rich) would embrace this new "change-ability" of right-to-vote, and quickly make it anyone worth less than $500k cannot vote. While this wouldn't affect getbiggers, our gym-mates would be disenfranchised.
2) Our Constitution says all men were created equal, and all have one equal vote. Employing a test nullifies the Constitution and well, you know what comes after that...
the voting rights act of 1965 null and voids all tests and fees as a means deny folks the option to participatory voting
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friends according to how it look slike now from the campaing quarters of mccain ,,if the democrats in america put hussain obama as the nominee that is,,mccain will win 38 states including ny ohio florida pensilvenia,, and california will be very close but not part of the 38 states
its enough to look at this thread to see the hate twards black ,,it is really bad and sad but its the facts on the ground in america
democrats shoudl start pray for 6$ a gallon by election day eastern usa
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Obama's socialist policies would greatly benefit blacks; most of whom are already recieving some sort of benefit.
Do you honestly think Obama would as bad as Bushy was in his 2nd term? ::)
10 billion per month out the door to Iraq, over half a trillion already.
Obama will be a good ,effectove president and have a cabinet that will be a hell of a lot more competent than Bush's buddies, aka " You're doing a heck of a job Brownie"....as La drowns
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Do you honestly think Obama would as bad as Bushy was in his 2nd term? ::)
10 billion per month out the door to Iraq, over half a trillion already.
Obama will be a good ,effectove president and have a cabinet that will be a hell of a lot more competent than Bush's buddies, aka " You're doing a heck of a job Brownie"....as La drowns
you dont get it friend,,even though mccain is 100 times better than any other nominee the democrats can bring up,,
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS RACIST FROM WITHIN AGAINT BLACK,,THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN THE COUNTRY ,,YOU ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT LAND SLIDE 90 TO 10% WIN FOR MCCAIN IN PLACES LIKE KY AND WV AND TN AND TX AND SOMETHING LIKE 60 -40 % FOR MCCAIN IN PENN OHIO FLORIDA ,,AND SOMETHING LIKE 52-48% FOR MCCAIN IN NY,,MICHIGAN,,AND CALOFORNIA WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO 50-50%
this is going to be like the o 2003 when ron won,,light out when the evning start
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I hate to agree, but that's pretty much true.
We'd have a flood of mexicans and a north american union.
As opposed to what we have now with NAFTA?
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LOLLLLLMUHHAHAHAHHAALAKS FDHAHA HAHAHAH my favorite part is when the umpalumpa says that she wants more jobs for young people and points to the fact that black males are out there selling drugs...LOL like they would get a real job if it presented itself to them anyway...MUAHGHAORFHAHFD haha funny shit man
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Do you honestly think Obama would as bad as Bushy was in his 2nd term? ::)
Uhhh yeah (as my eight year old would say "Duhhhh"). Here is a "Primer" for You: Socialism Bad, Capitalism Good. Obama is a Socialist, therefore he is _____ (insert answer here)
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Youandme, I gotta admit that I will actually click on a thread if I see you posted bc I love your Avatar :)
??? haha u tryin to say i post nothing useful
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So even if mac cain is a moron, at least he will care about his owns, like obama will only care about the blacks.
The problem with your 'logic' ::) is that Bush did not care for white people.
He cared for *rich* white people, primarily those with interests in or directly linked to big oil.
Those ultra-rich Whites laugh their asses off at the poor Whites, Blacks, and brown people who support and fight for them.
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you dont get it friend,,even though mccain is 100 times better than any other nominee the democrats can bring up,,
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS RACIST FROM WITHIN AGAINT BLACK,,THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN THE COUNTRY ,,YOU ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT LAND SLIDE 90 TO 10% WIN FOR MCCAIN IN PLACES LIKE KY AND WV AND TN AND TX AND SOMETHING LIKE 60 -40 % FOR MCCAIN IN PENN OHIO FLORIDA ,,AND SOMETHING LIKE 52-48% FOR MCCAIN IN NY,,MICHIGAN,,AND CALOFORNIA WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO 50-50%
this is going to be like the o 2003 when ron won,,light out when the evning start
Right - the Latinos vote White, because they think they're white.
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LOLLLLLMUHHAHAHAHHAALAKSFDHAHA HAHAHAH my favorite part is when the umpalumpa says that she wants more jobs for young people and points to the fact that black males are out there selling drugs...LOL like they would get a real job if it presented itself to them anyway...MUAHGHAORFHAHFD haha funny shit man
You know, there is this legend based on a black man called "John Henry". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)).
Now it is debatable that he existed, but he represented the "blue-collar" work ethic...Also many blacks of the previous gen, were admired for their work-ethic, they just were rewarded by having to use a separate bathroom out back.
"hustlin" is a job, I don't excuse it, but many of our politicians, and CEO are "hustlin" in many ways, just not in drugs.
It's funny how people talk about getting jobs, and wanting jobs, showing the willing-ness to work, but then people shoot them down, saying, "like you're going to work anyway", and that my friend is the attitude that fuels people to not work a "9-5", but hustle instead, because people like you will not give the chance, simply by looking at them. Yet you'll hire a hispanic dude with a criminal record, who got over here illegally, and pay him for dirt cheap.
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It strikes me as odd how many black people are jumping on the Obama band wagon considering how early in the campaign they overwhelmingly supported Clinton. It k ind of reminds me of how no black person knew who Tiger woods was until he started winning and then tried to claim him. But, I don't think those screaming idiots represent all of Obama supporters and more importantly Obama himself.
Matt "Tyrone" Tsinkorang still hasn't figured out what policies Barrack Obama is behind.
But he's still backing him.
All the way from Canada. ::)
When his life isn't occupied with other Worldly things, that is. ;)
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You know, there is this legend based on a black man called "John Henry". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)).
Now it is debatable that he existed, but he represented the "blue-collar" work ethic...Also many blacks of the previous gen, were admired for their work-ethic, they just were rewarded by having to use a separate bathroom out back.
"hustlin" is a job, I don't excuse it, but many of our politicians, and CEO are "hustlin" in many ways, just not in drugs.
It's funny how people talk about getting jobs, and wanting jobs, showing the willing-ness to work, but then people shoot them down, saying, "like you're going to work anyway", and that my friend is the attitude that fuels people to not work a "9-5", but hustle instead, because people like you will not give the chance, simply by looking at them. Yet you'll hire a hispanic dude with a criminal record, who got over here illegally, and pay him for dirt cheap.
LOL bro ive known quite a few drug dealers in my time and not one has done it b/c they couldnt find a job!!! they did it b/c it was easy and a quick way of making money, I have no problem with race only when people use race as an excuse!!! Tell me that these drug dealers couldnt honestly get a legit job if they wanted to? I agree that there are white collar business men who are hustling, LOL guess what though what they are hustling is LEGAL major difference!!! Did you even watch the video these ppl dont care about illegal immigrants, they want open borders. Work ethic is great but dealing drugs b/c you dont want to get a legit job is another.
Instead of talking to ppl like me maybe you should educate ppl like them...
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Matt "Tyrone" Tsinkorang still hasn't figured out what policies Barrack Obama is behind.
But he's still backing him.
All the way from Canada. ::)
When his life isn't occupied with other Worldly things, that is. ;)
Like Duabi, India stuff
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As opposed to what we have now with NAFTA?
atleast we dont have to deal with NAMBLA ;)
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FACT:
If America wasn't so intent on sending black men to its prisons, there would be more Black fathers in Black homes teaching little black boys the importance of earning an honest day's pay for an honest day's work.
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Fact: People of any race who don't want to be locked up shouldn't break the law.
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you dont get it friend,,even though mccain is 100 times better than any other nominee the democrats can bring up,,
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS RACIST FROM WITHIN AGAINT BLACK,,THERE ARE MORE WHITES IN THE COUNTRY ,,YOU ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT LAND SLIDE 90 TO 10% WIN FOR MCCAIN IN PLACES LIKE KY AND WV AND TN AND TX AND SOMETHING LIKE 60 -40 % FOR MCCAIN IN PENN OHIO FLORIDA ,,AND SOMETHING LIKE 52-48% FOR MCCAIN IN NY,,MICHIGAN,,AND CALOFORNIA WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO 50-50%
this is going to be like the o 2003 when ron won,,light out when the evning start
If the race factor is so powerful, how in hell did the man become the likely democratic nominee and get a white guy like me to vote for him? Next you will be saying MCain will beat him in Illinois LOL.
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how did bush get around these "support systems" ? ???
He didn't, he is working in them according to plan.
Are you familiar with the PNAC document? WIKI it. Cheney, Jeb, wolfy, rummy, and helf of the future Bush admin all sat down and wrote down their plan. It involved a "new pearl harbor" which would lead to permission slip to start 3 wars in middle east in the 3 pipeline nations (afghan, iraq, iran all in a row).
They told us the plan, and we voted them in. And they're following the plan to keep the dollar in play and to control world oil and the bases too.
Bush is following a plan quite well. Sure, the side effects are bad, but as far as the goals go, the support system worked great here. we have bases, oil, etc. Bush will be seen as a success by history. Rid the world of terrorism, control oil of arabia, etc. Bush wins, dude.
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8 yrs worth of bush....
we got fucked 8 yrs ago...
911 is proof...the stupid piece of shit ws too dumb to prevent 13 non english speaking uneducated girls to kill thousands of americans...
Holy Crap Toxie, stop already will ya. Thats the biggest bunch of horseshit you libs and CT's have come up with yet. How about when Clinton did nothing with the bombings that were carried out during his admin? Or 93' WTC or The USS Cole or the Embassy bombings? Are you going to tell me Clinton new nothing before it happend?
Shit...the whole fucking world new. What about how many times Clinton HAD Bin Laden and let him go? You libs really amaze me, like I said.......no commonsense >:(
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FACT:
If America wasn't so intent on sending black men to its prisons, there would be more Black fathers in Black homes teaching little black boys the importance of earning an honest day's pay for an honest day's work.
Maybe, if they would stop committing crimes, they would not be prison. ::)
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Maybe, if they would stop committing crimes, they would not be prison. ::)
That logic doesn't go over well in that community.
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In America, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.
Why is that?
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In American, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.
Why is that?
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In American, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.
Why is that?
LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?
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LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?
THIS POST = NOT A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION POSTED BY TRE
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THIS POST = NOT A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION POSTED BY TRE TONY
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but in an actual response to tre's question, I have heard this many times but have never seen how they get this conclusion. Im not saying its wrong only that I've never seen how they got this conclusion. Many things seem wrong in face value, but perhaps the AA males recieve stiffer sentences b/c they are repeat offenders, also im sure if you looked at the spread of punishments of AA males there are individuals who recieve the same or less punishment than white males, Id like to see this number compared to the number of white offenders who get "lesser" punishments. So im not saying its wrong just that Id need to see more on it.
There you go mal I answered his, now you answer mine.
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In America, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.
Why is that?
I simply don't believe a person get a longer sentence for a similar crime because they are of a different color. There's probably other circumstances involved such as the person who gets the longer sentence has a previous record compared to the other guy. Also, people whine that's it's not fair that crack users and dealers get longer sentences than their powder using counterparts. The problem is the Crack thugs ended up being involved in murder and violence, and being in gangs, more than some white guy who occasionally got busted with a gram of coke. One guy is obviously considered more of a menace to society than the other guy.
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You guys are funny! The powers that be (Rich America) have you argueing over race issues lol! These are the issues:
Abortion
Freedom of Choice Act
Constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v Wade
Allowing or Prohibiting Govt funds for groups that perform abortions
Economic Stimulus
Infusing the economy with cash for individuals and families and inspire corporate growth through tax breaks
Education
The No Child Left Behind Act, which requires public schools to meet test standards to receive federal funding.
Energy
The United States depends far too much on imported oil and gas
Which candidate has the best resolution to lessen the burden and how to promote research and development of other energy sources.
Environment
Which candidate has the best resolution for how much government should regulate industry and whether that will affect climate change or be an expensive boondoggle.
Free Trade
Tariffs on many goods exported to and imported from other nations have been eliminated by several regional free trade agreements. Supporters say they mean more opportunities to sell U.S. goods overseas; critics say U.S. jobs have been lost.
Gun Laws
Gun ownership is centered on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, protecting a person's right to bear and keep arms.
Health Care
Federally mandated or no?
Homeland Security
Which candidate proposed the best ways to conduct the war on terror, especially in the areas of gathering intelligence to prevent domestic attacks and how to keep terrorists from entering the country.
Housing
Home prices are declining and foreclosure filings are skyrocketing. Which candidate has the best resolution?
Immigration
Which candidate supports increased funding and improved border security technology and improved enforcement of existing laws?
Which candidate provided the best legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Which candidate/s voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border and is that the answer?
Social Security
How should the Social Security System be reformed or does it even need to be reformed?
Taxes
Raise the taxes or cut the taxes?
Stem cell research
Which candidate supports or opposes expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research?
How does this affect the economy or personal convictions?
The War, nuff said!
A lesser issue but still very important
Same Sex Marriages
These are the impportant issues people you have to be past this race BS.
Which candidate is best for this country economically?
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There are plenty of other threads to debate those issues on, this thread isnt one of them so what?
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Maybe, if they would stop committing crimes, they would not be prison. ::)
I would have to agree! Everyone knows the laws abide by them!
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how did bush get around these "support systems" ? ???
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by getting congress to ok everything ::)
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Sure, the side effects are bad, but as far as the goals go, the support system worked great here. we have bases, oil, etc. Bush will be seen as a success by history. Rid the world of terrorism, control oil of arabia, etc. Bush wins, dude.
[/quote] exactly you cant judge a president until he has been out of office for 10-20 yrs, and I think down the road everyone will praise Bush for keeping us well ahead of the curve. If you ask me we should have done this a long time ago. I would get more into it but I am posting from a ps3 so it takes forever to type.
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Sure, the side effects are bad, but as far as the goals go, the support system worked great here. we have bases, oil, etc. Bush will be seen as a success by history. Rid the world of terrorism, control oil of arabia, etc. Bush wins, dude.
exactly you cant judge a president until he has been out of office for 10-20 yrs, and I think down the road everyone will praise Bush for keeping us well ahead of the curve. If you ask me we should have done this a long time ago. I would get more into it but I am posting from a ps3 so it takes forever to type.
FDR allowed pearl harbor to happen. Hell, he moved all the expensive boats out of the area so that only the scrapyard boats would be destroyed. He NEEDED it, so we could intervene in WWII before hitler won and then used UK/Rus forces to invade the USA.
Bush allowed 911 to happen. Hell, he did it in two buildings which would have been condemned due to asbestos in 2002. He NEEDED it, so we could intervene in Mid-East resources before this generation of arabs grew up, unified, then used their oil and Chinese labor/consumerism to shrink and eventually starve out EUR/USA.
Same damn thing. history will see Bush as a hero. All the pissy little whining done by people today won't matter. History is written by the winners.
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I completely agree with not putting as many non-violent offenders in jail.
Tre, one of the reasons is that many are repeat offenders, particularly when it comes to drug offenses which plays a major role in punishment. (My bro is a defense lawyer). It still may not completely explain all the differences in sentancing but this is a major factor that few people consider. Still, I agree. There's no reason we should be putting drug offenders of any color in jail so easily.
Absolutely, Bush didn't help "white" people at all. He helped big business and multi-millionaires.
Obama's socialist policies worry me as well. I hope McCain can separate himself enough from Bush...thats the only way I'll vote for him. My boy RP is out!
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LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?
Bump for big mal or tre to answer this, we answered your question.
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I simply don't believe a person get a longer sentence for a similar crime because they are of a different color. There's probably other circumstances involved such as the person who gets the longer sentence has a previous record compared to the other guy. Also, people whine that's it's not fair that crack users and dealers get longer sentences than their powder using counterparts. The problem is the Crack thugs ended up being involved in murder and violence, and being in gangs, more than some white guy who occasionally got busted with a gram of coke. One guy is obviously considered more of a menace to society than the other guy.
Both offenders are 'non-violent'.
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LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?
oh come on tre weve answered your question now its your turn why is it that there are more black males commiting crimes than white males?
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oh come on tre weve answered your question now its your turn why is it that there are more black males commiting crimes than white males?
I'm curious about the answers too. Including yours.
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I'm curious about the answers too. Including yours.
You will probably get the standard justifications of socio-ecomnomic implications. Ask yourself this? Why are some breeds of Canines more apt to become vicious than others? Were Neanderthals more violent than the Cro-Magnon men that were further evolved? These are questions that possibly could be answered by an Anthropologist, if he didn't have to operate within the confines of a politically correct society. Common sense, observation and statistics do leave plenty of clues.
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I'm curious about the answers too. Including yours.
I assume you mean mine, well I think it has alot to do with the AA sub culture, what is considered "cool", rap idols are a prime example of this, also I think asserting the victem role as many AA leaders do which trickles down into the public is a big reason why just to name a few. Its easier to blame others for your mistakes than to accept responsiblity for them, this is a researched psychological concept actually. I understand that it may be easier for one person to fall into that lifestyle do to a PERCIEVED lack of options but sooner or later you have to take responsibility for you actions no matter what your circumstances. Life isnt fair and all people are not created equal, but the system is set up to treat you equally.
Again come on tre we answered your question so please be respectful and answer mine
Why is it that there are more african american males commiting crimes as opposed to caucasian american males?
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You will probably get the standard justifications of socio-ecomnomic implications. Ask yourself this? Why are some breeds of Canines more apt to become vicious than others? Were Neanderthals more violent than the Cro-Magnon men that were further evolved? These are questions that possibly could be answered by an Anthropologist, if he didn't have to operate within the confines of a politically correct society. Common sense, observation and statistics do leave plenty of clues.
Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society? Its a little unclear to me where you were going with this.
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You guys are funny! The powers that be (Rich America) have you argueing over race issues lol! These are the issues:
Abortion
Freedom of Choice Act
Constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v Wade
Allowing or Prohibiting Govt funds for groups that perform abortions
Economic Stimulus
Infusing the economy with cash for individuals and families and inspire corporate growth through tax breaks
Education
The No Child Left Behind Act, which requires public schools to meet test standards to receive federal funding.
Energy
The United States depends far too much on imported oil and gas
Which candidate has the best resolution to lessen the burden and how to promote research and development of other energy sources.
Environment
Which candidate has the best resolution for how much government should regulate industry and whether that will affect climate change or be an expensive boondoggle.
Free Trade
Tariffs on many goods exported to and imported from other nations have been eliminated by several regional free trade agreements. Supporters say they mean more opportunities to sell U.S. goods overseas; critics say U.S. jobs have been lost.
Gun Laws
Gun ownership is centered on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, protecting a person's right to bear and keep arms.
Health Care
Federally mandated or no?
Homeland Security
Which candidate proposed the best ways to conduct the war on terror, especially in the areas of gathering intelligence to prevent domestic attacks and how to keep terrorists from entering the country.
Housing
Home prices are declining and foreclosure filings are skyrocketing. Which candidate has the best resolution?
Immigration
Which candidate supports increased funding and improved border security technology and improved enforcement of existing laws?
Which candidate provided the best legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Which candidate/s voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border and is that the answer?
Social Security
How should the Social Security System be reformed or does it even need to be reformed?
Taxes
Raise the taxes or cut the taxes?
Stem cell research
Which candidate supports or opposes expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research?
How does this affect the economy or personal convictions?
The War, nuff said!
A lesser issue but still very important
Same Sex Marriages
These are the impportant issues people you have to be past this race BS.
Which candidate is best for this country economically?
lol, most of those are called wedge issues
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In America, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.
Why is that?
That's not true.
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"Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society?"
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I don't believe this. Of course there are some genetic differences but 95% of criminal behavior is learned. Its the environment, surroundings, learning and role models.
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Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society? Its a little unclear to me where you were going with this.
Actually not implying that. Just raising interesting questions. Are humans so much different from the Animal Kingdom? Certain breeds of dogs are by nature more agressive than others. Isn't it remotely possible that all breeds of humans are not identical in terms of certain behaviors. For example, couldn't one race of human have naturally higher occuring testosterone levels, predisposing them to more muscularity and the ability to excel at contact sports such as Boxing and football. Couldn't certain races have more agressive tendencies and be more likely to kill over small provocations. People in West Palm, Forida are constantly being asked why they murdered their victim and often an answer is heard such as "Yo, the sucker dissed me" or "He was messin' wit my playstation". So when people are killed because they "Diss" someone or in Africa, where hacking the arms off of small children in entire tribes is commonplace, these are not outrageous questions to ponder.
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Actually not implying that. Just raising interesting questions. Are humans so much different from the Animal Kingdom? Certain breeds of dogs are by nature more agressive than others. Isn't it remotely possible that all breeds of humans are not identical in terms of certain behaviors. For example, couldn't one race of human have naturally higher occuring testosterone levels, predisposing them to more muscularity and the ability to excel at contact sports such as Boxing and football. Couldn't certain races have more agressive tendencies and be more likely to kill over small provocations. People in West Palm, Forida are constantly being asked why they murdered their victim and often an answer is heard such as "Yo, the sucker dissed me" or "He was messin' wit my playstation". So when people are killed because they "Diss" someone or in Africa, where hacking the arms off of small children in entire tribes is commonplace, these are not outrageous questions to ponder.
no not outrageous to ponder, but I think that its more of the enviroment and support system of the AA community. I could see perhaps anomalies in the population maybe but to say that an entire race is predisposed i think is stretching it. Perhaps evolution from forced slavery causing the physically strong and athletic to survive is why they excel at contact sports. Whatever the reasoning behind the actions the fact remains the same however, life isnt fair and all men are not created equally and sooner or later you have to take responsibilities for your actions no matter what the circumstances
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"Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society?"
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I don't believe this. Of course there are some genetic differences but 95% of criminal behavior is learned. Its the environment, surroundings, learning and role models.
Alcoholism has a genetic basis so I guess anything is possible. ...you are referring to Alcoholics Anonymous?
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I assume you mean mine, well I think it has alot to do with the AA sub culture, what is considered "cool", rap idols are a prime example of this, also I think asserting the victem role as many AA leaders do which trickles down into the public is a big reason why just to name a few. Its easier to blame others for your mistakes than to accept responsiblity for them, this is a researched psychological concept actually. I understand that it may be easier for one person to fall into that lifestyle do to a PERCIEVED lack of options but sooner or later you have to take responsibility for you actions no matter what your circumstances. Life isnt fair and all people are not created equal, but the system is set up to treat you equally.
Again come on tre we answered your question so please be respectful and answer mine
Why is it that there are more african american males commiting crimes as opposed to caucasian american males?
I agree with much this, but i see the same problem in other cultures in America. Victim-ology. You see it every where it seems. I think some hip hp or rap songs seem to highlight it. But the attitude of non-responsibility still prevails in whites and latinos who come from impoverished nieghborhoods. So i don't know that this is the cause.
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Black males charged with a crime have a higher likelihood of being convicted and sentenced to prison time than white males charged with the same offense.
Having lived in areas with high, average, and low Black populations (relative to Whites and Latinos), I feel comfortable in stating that crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race.
I don't have enough information at my fingertips to talk about the differences between property, personal, and drug crime stats, however. I'm speaking only in the most general terms and the reason you have a perception of 'more Blacks committing crimes than Whites' most likely comes down to the fact that a higher proportion of Blacks are in the lower socio-economic classes.
This, however, is not an excuse for bad behavior.
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"crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race"
Absolutely!
This is a link to testosterone levels in blacks vs. whites. There is no significant difference in testosterone levels. Blacks tend to have a bit higher estrogen which may be the cause of increased prostate problems. There is more obestiy among older black Americans which could explain the differences in estrogen. Interestingly, the study found Mexican Americans with higher test levels on average compared to blacks & whites.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/jc.2007-0028v1.pdf
IMO, blacks excell in certain sports because of speed, not strength. Most of the strength sports are dominated by Eastern Europeans.
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"crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race"
Absolutely!
I agree. Crime correlates with income, education, and home life. You do not see many educated people of any race committing violent crimes.
This violent crime is genetic argument is baseless.
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lol, most of those are called wedge issues
And your point is?
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I agree. Crime correlates with income, education, and home life. You do not see many educated people of any race committing violent crimes.
This violent crime is genetic argument is baseless.
There are literally millions of poor, uneducated whites, living in trailers all throughout the Mid-west, the south, etc. Yet you don't see thousands of them joining gangs, wanting to murder or rob someone just to impress their "Homies" and get street cred. This income/education excuse is not reality. Of course, there are many poor white violent offenders, but they are greatly outnumbered by their black counterparts. If it's not genetics, that leaves only the explanation of a cultural propensity towards crime. Look at Haiti, Africa and other so called third-world countries. Ever wonder why these places can never rise above poverty, violence, and dysfunction? Why were the white Europeans able to progress and have civilized establishments for centuries and these other countries live in squalor? Once in a while, I think one has to take off their politically correct blinders and see Reality.
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There are literally millions of poor, uneducated whites, living in trailers all throughout the Mid-west, the south, etc. Yet you don't see thousands of them joining gangs, wanting to murder or rob someone just to impress their "Homies" and get street cred. This income/education excuse is not reality. Of course, there are many poor white violent offenders, but they are greatly outnumbered by their black counterparts. If it's not genetics, that leaves only the explanation of a cultural propensity towards crime. Look at Haiti, Africa and other so called third-world countries. Ever wonder why these places can never rise above poverty, violence, and dysfunction? Why were the white Europeans able to progress and have civilized establishments for centuries and these other countries live in squalor? Once in a while, I think one has to take off their politically correct blinders and see Reality.
I have been on every continent and as far as I can tell; poverty, violence, and dysfunction does not discriminate. The Europeans don't publicize their cultural woes like the USA does.
All Europeans are not Caucasian! The UK is a dump, Italy is a dump and every post USSR country is a dump. Oh what about India? Oh yeah they have brown skin so they must be genetically deficient.
Stop flattering yourself!
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There are literally millions of poor, uneducated whites, living in trailers all throughout the Mid-west, the south, etc. Yet you don't see thousands of them joining gangs, wanting to murder or rob someone just to impress their "Homies" and get street cred. This income/education excuse is not reality. Of course, there are many poor white violent offenders, but they are greatly outnumbered by their black counterparts. If it's not genetics, that leaves only the explanation of a cultural propensity towards crime. Look at Haiti, Africa and other so called third-world countries. Ever wonder why these places can never rise above poverty, violence, and dysfunction? Why were the white Europeans able to progress and have civilized establishments for centuries and these other countries live in squalor? Once in a while, I think one has to take off their politically correct blinders and see Reality.
A few points:
1. Crime is not genetic.
2. This has nothing to do with political correctness, which is a nice buzz phrase some use to deflect attention away from arguments that have no factual basis. I do believe political correctness is a problem, but not when there is a discussion about whether crime is genetic.
3. It's interesting how some people latch on to distorted statistics to support what in reality are their own racist beliefs, but run like scalded dogs when those statistics make their own group look pretty bad. For instance, how do you explain the disproportionate number of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers who are white? Is that genetic? I don't think so, but it's the same illogical conclusion reached by those on this race/crime thing.
4. I think it's almost comical how people will say the prevalence of successful minorities is the result of affirmative action, the prevalence of minorities in sports is because they have a genetic advantage, the supposed disproportionate number of minorities involved in violent crime is because they are genetically intellectually inferior. None of it makes any sense.
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I have been on every continent and as far as I can tell; poverty, violence, and dysfunction does not discriminate. The Europeans don't publicize their cultural woes like the USA does.
All Europeans are not Caucasian! The UK is a dump, Italy is a dump and every post USSR country is a dump. Oh what about India? Oh yeah they have brown skin so they must be genetically deficient.
Stop flattering yourself!
A few points:
1. Crime is not genetic.
2. This has nothing to do with political correctness, which is a nice buzz phrase some use to deflect attention away from arguments that have no factual basis. I do believe political correctness is a problem, but not when there is a discussion about whether crime is genetic.
3. It's interesting how some people latch on to distorted statistics to support what in reality are their own racist beliefs, but run like scalded dogs when those statistics make their own group look pretty bad. For instance, how do you explain the disproportionate number of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers who are white? Is that genetic? I don't think so, but it's the same illogical conclusion reached by those on this race/crime thing.
4. I think it's almost comical how people will say the prevalence of successful minorities is the result of affirmative action, the prevalence of minorities in sports is because they have a genetic advantage, the supposed disproportionate number of minorities involved in violent crime is because they are genetically intellectually inferior. None of it makes any sense.
All good stuff.
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I believe we can generally agree that crime and skin color are not directly correlated to each other in terms of genetics, but in hard facts, it is, if one were to look at the various FBI crime statistics. US blacks commit by far a disproportionate amount of a large category of various crimes in comparison to other ethnic groups. It is obvious that socioeconomic and poverty factors do not alone or overwhelmingly contribute to how and why crimes are committed.
Like Chemist said, there are a plethora of communities made up of various ethnicities throughout the US that are further below the poverty line than comparable to other black groups that have much lower crime rates(the poorer white communities in West Virginia, border/shanty-towns along the SW border, divisions of "Chinatown", etc.). However, there is ONE comparison that no one has yet looked at.
Which group contains the most groups and "Leaders" representing the ethnic group? Which group calls for Reparations? Which group takes a larger percentage of social handouts? Which group wields more power in terms of political correctness and social sensitivities? It's people such as Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, the King children, the NAACP, the Urban League, and other various "civil rights" organizations that work fervently to keep racial tensions high and blacks on the bottom rung of the ladder. These folks make MILLIONS AND MILLIONS by keeping blacks in the dirt....making public education laughable in terms of challenge, stupidly high incarceration rates(something outside of the black community and in the hands of politicians), looking to whites for money and social services. The true racists are these unelected leaders and co-conspirators in the Democrat and Republican parties who continue to support destructive policies such as affirmative action, race-based quotas, racial politics, and heightened sensitivities. Thanks! And thank you to all the lawyers who await in the back with predatory eyes and sharp teeth looking to pounce and make millions off anything insensitive.
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Bump for big mal or tre to answer this, we answered your question.
My bad. hadnt been on much. But i think the reason starts with education. I would say education and money but money leads back to education. So with that as a basis. It is an inacurate and irresponsible to compare poor blacks with rich whites. Compare people of the same SEC (socio econamic status) and you will get most of the same trends no matter what race. Because along the same lines you theorize blacks are born predisposed to breaking laws. All you have to do is find a black that hasnt broken the law and that theory is out of the window. You can take a black kid and at birth placed him with a rich successful educated family more than likley he will take on those values and become educated and successful. As well as if you take a poor white kid and place him in Robert Johnsons house he will mold into a rich successful educated man.
I say all that to say you have to look deeper than skin to rationalize some of the social trends that on the surface seem affect a certian race.
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There are literally millions of poor, uneducated whites, living in trailers all throughout the Mid-west, the south, etc. Yet you don't see thousands of them joining gangs, wanting to murder or rob someone just to impress their "Homies" and get street cred. This income/education excuse is not reality.
Next you're going to tell us that White Aryan Resistance membership comes largely from America's more affluent suburbs.
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Next you're going to tell us that White Aryan Resistance membership comes largely from America's more affluent suburbs.
Probably not, but when's the last time you heard of someone getting car-jacked by one of these guys?
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I believe we can generally agree that crime and skin color are not directly correlated to each other in terms of genetics, but in hard facts, it is, if one were to look at the various FBI crime statistics. US blacks commit by far a disproportionate amount of a large category of various crimes in comparison to other ethnic groups. It is obvious that socioeconomic and poverty factors do not alone or overwhelmingly contribute to how and why crimes are committed.
Like Chemist said, there are a plethora of communities made up of various ethnicities throughout the US that are further below the poverty line than comparable to other black groups that have much lower crime rates(the poorer white communities in West Virginia, border/shanty-towns along the SW border, divisions of "Chinatown", etc.). However, there is ONE comparison that no one has yet looked at.
Which group contains the most groups and "Leaders" representing the ethnic group? Which group calls for Reparations? Which group takes a larger percentage of social handouts? Which group wields more power in terms of political correctness and social sensitivities? It's people such as Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, the King children, the NAACP, the Urban League, and other various "civil rights" organizations that work fervently to keep racial tensions high and blacks on the bottom rung of the ladder. These folks make MILLIONS AND MILLIONS by keeping blacks in the dirt....making public education laughable in terms of challenge, stupidly high incarceration rates(something outside of the black community and in the hands of politicians), looking to whites for money and social services. The true racists are these unelected leaders and co-conspirators in the Democrat and Republican parties who continue to support destructive policies such as affirmative action, race-based quotas, racial politics, and heightened sensitivities. Thanks! And thank you to all the lawyers who await in the back with predatory eyes and sharp teeth looking to pounce and make millions off anything insensitive.
spoken for truth but. Racial tensions are high because of "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. when the don imus thing gets front page but the uneven distabution of funds between public schools in the same county that happen to differ in race, dosent get a whisper in the news or from mr sharpton (whom i have written numerous letters to bringing attention to the situation)...we will never be taken serious in this nation.
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Probably not, but when's the last time you heard of someone getting car-jacked by one of these guys?
na they just tie them to the back of their trucks and drag people
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You obviously have never read FBI crime statistics which illustrate the truth quite clearly. I am not a racist as anyone who knows me could tell you. I have several good friends who are Black, and even they aren't happy with the tremendouss amount of criminals in their community. In fact they look down on all the gang-banging, underwear out their pants types. But I am right about huge cultural differences when it comes to crime. When the OJ Simpson verdict was announced, millions of blacks across the country cheered. That's when I saw, not only are they not upset the man killed someone, they cheered him on! Obviously, Murder doesn't have the same meaning in that community. Yeah, I know..he was found innocent, by a predominately Black jury. If one of my white quarterback idols had the exact set of same circumstances, you can bet I and the rest of white America wouldn't cheer him on. Definitely a cultural difference.
Yes I have looked at FBI crime statistics. There are at least two problems with those statistics:
1. They don't segregate statistics based on income and education.
2. They don't explain how they determine race. Is there a blood quantum? Do they use visual IDs? Do you realize how many mixed race people there are in this country? I would be willing to wager that the people responsible for compiling these statistics use the "looks black, must be black" method. If there is any significant number of mixed race people in these so-called statistics (as I’m sure there must be), then they are unreliable.
I don't know you, so I'm not about to call you a racist, but I will say your arguments are used by racists all the time to try and justify their bigotry.
And let me point out that I'm not in any way trying to justify or excuse anyone who commits a crime. If someone breaks the law, they need to suffer the consequences, whether they are black, white, green, purple, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, etc.
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na they just tie them to the back of their trucks and drag people
Ok, you won that round!
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Yes I have looked at FBI crime statistics. There are at least two problems with those statistics:
1. They don't segregate statistics based on income and education.
2. They don't explain how they determine race. Is there a blood quantum? Do they use visual IDs? Do you realize how many mixed race people there are in this country? I would be willing to wager that the people responsible for compiling these statistics use the "looks black, must be black" method. If there is any significant number of mixed race people in these so-called statistics (as I’m sure there must be), then they are unreliable.
I don't know you, so I'm not about to call you a racist, but I will say your arguments are used by racists all the time to try and justify their bigotry.
And let me point out that I'm not in any way trying to justify or excuse anyone who commits a crime. If someone breaks the law, they need to suffer the consequences, whether they are black, white, green, purple, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, etc.
Thank you. And it's true I'm not a racist. In fact, I'm just trying to open a dialogue and hear opinions. On the internet, you can usually hear what people really think. The questions I raise probably go through the minds of millions of people, but they can not ask them in Public Forums without being branded a racist. As a film maker, I have considered making a documentary where numerous people white and black are asked to honestly express their views on each other. I think it would be a great film and the dialogue could eventually foster more understanding and acceptance between the races. Get things out in the open..and then listen to the other guy. I want to apologize if I've come across as a racist since I am not.
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I have been on every continent
you have been to antarctica?
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Thank you. And it's true I'm not a racist. In fact, I'm just trying to open a dialogue and hear opinions. On the internet, you can usually hear what people really think. The questions I raise probably go through the minds of millions of people, but they can not ask them in Public Forums without being branded a racist. As a film maker, I have considered making a documentary where numerous people white and black are asked to honestly express their views on each other. I think it would be a great film and the dialogue could eventually foster more understanding and acceptance between the races. Get things out in the open..and then listen to the other guy. I want to apologize if I've come across as a racist since I am not.
I like your idea and I'm glad you started this discussion. It's always good to discuss these issues, particularly when someone is being sincere like you are.
There are some tough questions that need to be asked. There are some cold hard facts facing some segments of our society. Where I get hung up is when people try and use the broad brush approach to label people based in innate characteristics.
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This country is f**ked.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=25f_1210495294
You think those are typical supporters ::)
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you have been to antarctica?
Yes
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My bad. hadnt been on much. But i think the reason starts with education. I would say education and money but money leads back to education. So with that as a basis. It is an inacurate and irresponsible to compare poor blacks with rich whites. Compare people of the same SEC (socio econamic status) and you will get most of the same trends no matter what race. Because along the same lines you theorize blacks are born predisposed to breaking laws. All you have to do is find a black that hasnt broken the law and that theory is out of the window. You can take a black kid and at birth placed him with a rich successful educated family more than likley he will take on those values and become educated and successful. As well as if you take a poor white kid and place him in Robert Johnsons house he will mold into a rich successful educated man.
I say all that to say you have to look deeper than skin to rationalize some of the social trends that on the surface seem affect a certian race.
No Problem
I agree to a certain extent, it seems like your leaning towards the enviroment as the main cause which I totally agree with. Which leads to another question, why expose yourself to that enviroment?, I went to a pretty good public high school in Houston although I lived in probably one of the lowest income neighborhoods to attend that high school. If your children are forced to attend a crappy school b/c of where you live then move. Here in Houston we have probably 2 or 3 government assisted apartments that attend either my high school or one in the same district. What it all boils down to is personal choice, whether to do the school work or skip school and get in trouble, whether to get a legit job or to slang shit on the street etc..., it is your choice and sooner or later you have to take responsibility for your actions no matter what your circumstances.
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holy crap. you rock.
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holy crap. you rock.
Not really just serving my country.
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No Problem
I agree to a certain extent, it seems like your leaning towards the enviroment as the main cause which I totally agree with. Which leads to another question, why expose yourself to that enviroment?, I went to a pretty good public high school in Houston although I lived in probably one of the lowest income neighborhoods to attend that high school. If your children are forced to attend a crappy school b/c of where you live then move. Here in Houston we have probably 2 or 3 government assisted apartments that attend either my high school or one in the same district. What it all boils down to is personal choice, whether to do the school work or skip school and get in trouble, whether to get a legit job or to slang shit on the street etc..., it is your choice and sooner or later you have to take responsibility for your actions no matter what your circumstances.
SPOKEN FOR TRUTH AND ACCURACY.
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spoken for truth but. Racial tensions are high because of "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome. when the don imus thing gets front page but the uneven distabution of funds between public schools in the same county that happen to differ in race, dosent get a whisper in the news or from mr sharpton (whom i have written numerous letters to bringing attention to the situation)...we will never be taken serious in this nation.
I agree that the media simply makes non-issues into issues and issues that should be issues to not even be mentioned. However, I must differ with you on your assumption that school and public education performance is based upon funding. Even the lesser funded schools in the US are still heads and shoulders, financially anyways, above the majority of the rest of the world. I must ask..................... ......
-How is it that immigrant children from much, much poorer regions overseas come here and outperform America's kids on very consistent levels? Whether these kids are from the rural Philippines, old communist block of Eastern Europe, or the badlands of Pakistan, they make our kids look absolutely stupid, whether those kids are from a public school in the inner city or a private school sitting on the hillside.
-Why is it, that despite being a nation of 300+ million, that we are at a lack for skilled engineers and other technicians? Why are companies recruiting overseas?
-Why do our institutions pace the curriculum at the pace of the dumbest kid in the class? Why are failures and funding directly correlated to each other?
-Why are students woefully prepared for college beyond high school(or anything, for that matter).
I can tell you one reason why none of this is, and it isn't due to lack of funding. This is cultural and also deliberate.
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Its a mix of cultural, environmental influences and $. At the rate we are going, its hard to see how things are going to improve. I am particularly angry at people like Sharpton & Jackson who make things worse for what they consider "their own people". F them. Your "own people" are friends and people who really care about you!
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And your point is?
those are the exact issues used to divide people...in the end they really don't matter.
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All 3 candidates are flawed. Only an idiot in denial would say any one of them is the perfect candidate. however, I think any of the 3 will do fine in office. Anyone who says "So-and-so will destroy America" is being a drama queen and is completely unaware of the many support systems in place to prevent one guys' bad judgment from hurting anything in a big way.
I have one word for you: ...Bush :-X
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democrats shoudl start pray for 6$ a gallon by election day eastern usa
That's begining to look like a very real possibility. 8)
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A few points:
1. Crime is not genetic.
2. This has nothing to do with political correctness, which is a nice buzz phrase some use to deflect attention away from arguments that have no factual basis. I do believe political correctness is a problem, but not when there is a discussion about whether crime is genetic.
3. It's interesting how some people latch on to distorted statistics to support what in reality are their own racist beliefs, but run like scalded dogs when those statistics make their own group look pretty bad. For instance, how do you explain the disproportionate number of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers who are white? Is that genetic? I don't think so, but it's the same illogical conclusion reached by those on this race/crime thing.
4. I think it's almost comical how people will say the prevalence of successful minorities is the result of affirmative action, the prevalence of minorities in sports is because they have a genetic advantage, the supposed disproportionate number of minorities involved in violent crime is because they are genetically intellectually inferior. None of it makes any sense.
:o You're going to have to stop posting like this.
Pretty soon, you'll have me agreeing with you, ...and I don't think either of us wants that. :-X
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That's begining to look like a very real possibility. 8)
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you are right!,,the more gas will cost the more chances for the black fella to get closer to smell white house,,ther is few problems though friend
1. hes arrogent
2. he has zero expericne no one knows who he is ,,big bomb shells will follow
3. he is black,,in america black cant be president ,,the american people in the places that count for delegates are rasist twards black ,,they would choose mexican president before black my friend
so yes you are right,,gas will go higher and higher and then mccain put a bomb ant says colin agreed for the vp and election is completely over,,we actually still begging colin to join the ticket,,right now colin doesnt say yes or no but he consider,,if not him we gonan take either the indian or charlie maye even romney or hackabee,,right now we work very hard on colin ,,the headquarters is constantly bugging him ,,hoipefully he says yes
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you are right!,,the more gas will cost the more chances for the black fella to get closer to smell white house,,ther is few problems though friend
1. hes arrogent
2. he has zero expericne no one knows who he is ,,big bomb shells will follow
3. he is black,,in america black cant be president ,,the american people in the places that count for delegates are rasist twards black ,,they would choose mexican president before black my friend
so yes you are right,,gas will go higher and higher and then mccain put a bomb ant says colin agreed for the vp and election is completely over,,we actually still begging colin to join the ticket,,right now colin doesnt say yes or no but he consider,,if not him we gonan take either the indian or charlie maye even romney or hackabee,,right now we work very hard on colin ,,the headquarters is constantly bugging him ,,hoipefully he says yes
huh?
Is your keyboard broke?
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huh?
Is your keyboard broke?
Show some respect to the great gh15!
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those are the exact issues used to divide people...in the end they really don't matter.
Those issues only divide when they are not properly addressed and handled correctly.
HM