Typical Obama supporters.

[The ChemistV2]

In America, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.

Why is that?   

I simply don't believe a person get a longer sentence for a similar crime because they are of a different color. There's probably other circumstances involved such as the person who gets the longer sentence has a previous record compared to the other guy. Also, people whine that's it's not fair that crack users and dealers get longer sentences than their powder using counterparts. The problem is the Crack thugs ended up being involved in murder and violence, and being in gangs, more than some white guy who occasionally got busted with a gram of coke. One guy is obviously considered more of a menace to society than the other guy.

[Hustle Man]

You guys are funny! The powers that be (Rich America) have you argueing over race issues lol! These are the issues:

Abortion
Freedom of Choice Act
Constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v Wade
Allowing or Prohibiting Govt funds for groups that perform abortions
Economic Stimulus
Infusing the economy with cash for individuals and families and inspire corporate growth through tax breaks
Education
The No Child Left Behind Act, which requires public schools to meet test standards to receive federal funding.
Energy
The United States depends far too much on imported oil and gas
Which candidate has the best resolution to lessen the burden and how to promote research and development of other energy sources.
Environment
Which candidate has the best resolution for how much government should regulate industry and whether that will affect climate change or be an expensive boondoggle.
Free Trade
Tariffs on many goods exported to and imported from other nations have been eliminated by several regional free trade agreements. Supporters say they mean more opportunities to sell U.S. goods overseas; critics say U.S. jobs have been lost.
Gun Laws
Gun ownership is centered on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, protecting a person's right to bear and keep arms.
Health Care
Federally mandated or no?
Homeland Security
Which candidate proposed the best ways to conduct the war on terror, especially in the areas of gathering intelligence to prevent domestic attacks and how to keep terrorists from entering the country.
Housing
Home prices are declining and foreclosure filings are skyrocketing. Which candidate has the best resolution?
Immigration
Which candidate supports increased funding and improved border security technology and improved enforcement of existing laws?
Which candidate provided the best legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Which candidate/s voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border and is that the answer?
Social Security
How should the Social Security System be reformed or does it even need to be reformed?
Taxes
Raise the taxes or cut the taxes?
Stem cell research
Which candidate supports or opposes expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research?
How does this affect the economy or personal convictions?
The War, nuff said!

A lesser issue but still very important
Same Sex Marriages

These are the impportant issues people you have to be past this race BS.

Which candidate is best for this country economically?

[tonymctones]

There are plenty of other threads to debate those issues on, this thread isnt one of them so what?

[Hustle Man]

Maybe, if they would stop committing crimes, they would not be prison.

I would have to agree! Everyone knows the laws abide by them!

[MikeThaMachine]

how did bush get around these "support systems" ? 


NT

by getting congress to ok everything

[MikeThaMachine]

Sure, the side effects are bad, but as far as the goals go, the support system worked great here.  we have bases, oil, etc.  Bush will be seen as a success by history.  Rid the world of terrorism, control oil of arabia, etc.  Bush wins, dude.
[/quote]     exactly you cant judge a president until he has been out of office for 10-20 yrs, and I think down the road everyone will praise Bush for keeping us well ahead of the curve. If you ask me we should have done this a long time ago. I would get more into it but I am posting from a ps3 so it takes forever to type.

[240 is Back]

Sure, the side effects are bad, but as far as the goals go, the support system worked great here.  we have bases, oil, etc.  Bush will be seen as a success by history.  Rid the world of terrorism, control oil of arabia, etc.  Bush wins, dude.
     exactly you cant judge a president until he has been out of office for 10-20 yrs, and I think down the road everyone will praise Bush for keeping us well ahead of the curve. If you ask me we should have done this a long time ago. I would get more into it but I am posting from a ps3 so it takes forever to type.

FDR allowed pearl harbor to happen.  Hell, he moved all the expensive boats out of the area so that only the scrapyard boats would be destroyed.  He NEEDED it, so we could intervene in WWII before hitler won and then used UK/Rus forces to invade the USA.

Bush allowed 911 to happen.  Hell, he did it in two buildings which would have been condemned due to asbestos in 2002.  He NEEDED it, so we could intervene in Mid-East resources before this generation of arabs grew up, unified, then used their oil and Chinese labor/consumerism to shrink and eventually starve out EUR/USA.

Same damn thing.  history will see Bush as a hero.  All the pissy little whining done by people today won't matter.  History is written by the winners.

[shootfighter1]

I completely agree with not putting as many non-violent offenders in jail.

Tre, one of the reasons is that many are repeat offenders, particularly when it comes to drug offenses which plays a major role in punishment.  (My bro is a defense lawyer).  It still may not completely explain all the differences in sentancing but this is a major factor that few people consider.  Still, I agree.  There's no reason we should be putting drug offenders of any color in jail so easily.

Absolutely, Bush didn't help "white" people at all.  He helped big business and multi-millionaires.
Obama's socialist policies worry me as well.  I hope McCain can separate himself enough from Bush...thats the only way I'll vote for him.  My boy RP is out!

[tonymctones]

LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?

Bump for big mal or tre to answer this, we answered your question.

[Tre]

I simply don't believe a person get a longer sentence for a similar crime because they are of a different color. There's probably other circumstances involved such as the person who gets the longer sentence has a previous record compared to the other guy. Also, people whine that's it's not fair that crack users and dealers get longer sentences than their powder using counterparts. The problem is the Crack thugs ended up being involved in murder and violence, and being in gangs, more than some white guy who occasionally got busted with a gram of coke. One guy is obviously considered more of a menace to society than the other guy.

Both offenders are 'non-violent'. 

[tonymctones]

LOL that may be so, but thats like closing the gate after the cow gets out, there are still a greater number of black males commiting crimes as opposed to white males, why is that?

oh come on tre weve answered your question now its your turn why is it that there are more black males commiting crimes than white males?

[OzmO]

oh come on tre weve answered your question now its your turn why is it that there are more black males commiting crimes than white males?

I'm curious about the answers too.  Including yours.

[The ChemistV2]

I'm curious about the answers too.  Including yours.

You will probably get the standard justifications of socio-ecomnomic implications. Ask yourself this? Why are some breeds of Canines more apt to become vicious than others? Were Neanderthals more violent than the Cro-Magnon men that were further evolved? These are questions that possibly could be answered by an Anthropologist, if he didn't have to operate within the confines of a politically correct society. Common sense, observation and statistics do leave plenty of clues.

[tonymctones]

I'm curious about the answers too.  Including yours.

I assume you mean mine, well I think it has alot to do with the AA sub culture, what is considered "cool", rap idols are a prime example of this, also I think asserting the victem role as many AA leaders do which trickles down into the public is a big reason why just to name a few. Its easier to blame others for your mistakes than to accept responsiblity for them, this is a researched psychological concept actually. I understand that it may be easier for one person to fall into that lifestyle do to a PERCIEVED lack of options but sooner or later you have to take responsibility for you actions no matter what your circumstances. Life isnt fair and all people are not created equal, but the system is set up to treat you equally.


Again come on tre we answered your question so please be respectful and answer mine
Why is it that there are more african american males commiting crimes as opposed to caucasian american males?

[tonymctones]

You will probably get the standard justifications of socio-ecomnomic implications. Ask yourself this? Why are some breeds of Canines more apt to become vicious than others? Were Neanderthals more violent than the Cro-Magnon men that were further evolved? These are questions that possibly could be answered by an Anthropologist, if he didn't have to operate within the confines of a politically correct society. Common sense, observation and statistics do leave plenty of clues.

Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society? Its a little unclear to me where you were going with this.

[youandme]

You guys are funny! The powers that be (Rich America) have you argueing over race issues lol! These are the issues:

Abortion
Freedom of Choice Act
Constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v Wade
Allowing or Prohibiting Govt funds for groups that perform abortions
Economic Stimulus
Infusing the economy with cash for individuals and families and inspire corporate growth through tax breaks
Education
The No Child Left Behind Act, which requires public schools to meet test standards to receive federal funding.
Energy
The United States depends far too much on imported oil and gas
Which candidate has the best resolution to lessen the burden and how to promote research and development of other energy sources.
Environment
Which candidate has the best resolution for how much government should regulate industry and whether that will affect climate change or be an expensive boondoggle.
Free Trade
Tariffs on many goods exported to and imported from other nations have been eliminated by several regional free trade agreements. Supporters say they mean more opportunities to sell U.S. goods overseas; critics say U.S. jobs have been lost.
Gun Laws
Gun ownership is centered on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, protecting a person's right to bear and keep arms.
Health Care
Federally mandated or no?
Homeland Security
Which candidate proposed the best ways to conduct the war on terror, especially in the areas of gathering intelligence to prevent domestic attacks and how to keep terrorists from entering the country.
Housing
Home prices are declining and foreclosure filings are skyrocketing. Which candidate has the best resolution?
Immigration
Which candidate supports increased funding and improved border security technology and improved enforcement of existing laws?
Which candidate provided the best legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Which candidate/s voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border and is that the answer?
Social Security
How should the Social Security System be reformed or does it even need to be reformed?
Taxes
Raise the taxes or cut the taxes?
Stem cell research
Which candidate supports or opposes expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research?
How does this affect the economy or personal convictions?
The War, nuff said!

A lesser issue but still very important
Same Sex Marriages

These are the impportant issues people you have to be past this race BS.

Which candidate is best for this country economically?

lol, most of those are called wedge issues

[Mark Kerr]

In America, the sentences for black and brown non-violent drug offenders are more severe than those for their white counterparts.

Why is that?   

That's not true.

[shootfighter1]

"Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society?"
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I don't believe this.  Of course there are some genetic differences but 95% of criminal behavior is learned.  Its the environment, surroundings, learning and role models.

[The ChemistV2]

Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society? Its a little unclear to me where you were going with this.

Actually not implying that. Just raising interesting questions. Are humans so much different from the Animal Kingdom? Certain breeds of dogs are by nature more agressive than others. Isn't it remotely possible that all breeds of humans are not identical in terms of certain behaviors. For example, couldn't one race of human have naturally higher occuring testosterone levels, predisposing them to more muscularity and the ability to excel at contact sports such as Boxing and football. Couldn't certain races have more agressive tendencies and be more likely to kill over small provocations. People in West Palm, Forida are constantly being asked why they murdered their victim and often an answer is heard such as  "Yo, the sucker dissed me" or "He was messin' wit my playstation". So when people are killed because they "Diss" someone or in Africa, where hacking the arms off of small children in entire tribes is commonplace, these are not outrageous questions to ponder. 

[tonymctones]

Actually not implying that. Just raising interesting questions. Are humans so much different from the Animal Kingdom? Certain breeds of dogs are by nature more agressive than others. Isn't it remotely possible that all breeds of humans are not identical in terms of certain behaviors. For example, couldn't one race of human have naturally higher occuring testosterone levels, predisposing them to more muscularity and the ability to excel at contact sports such as Boxing and football. Couldn't certain races have more agressive tendencies and be more likely to kill over small provocations. People in West Palm, Forida are constantly being asked why they murdered their victim and often an answer is heard such as  "Yo, the sucker dissed me" or "He was messin' wit my playstation". So when people are killed because they "Diss" someone or in Africa, where hacking the arms off of small children in entire tribes is commonplace, these are not outrageous questions to ponder. 

no not outrageous to ponder, but I think that its more of the enviroment and support system of the AA community. I could see perhaps anomalies in the population maybe but to say that an entire race is predisposed i think is stretching it. Perhaps evolution from forced slavery causing the physically strong and athletic to survive is why they excel at contact sports. Whatever the reasoning behind the actions the fact remains the same however, life isnt fair and all men are not created equally and sooner or later you have to take responsibilities for your actions no matter what the circumstances

[Decker]

"Are you implying that AA are genetically predisposed to breaking the laws of our society?"
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I don't believe this.  Of course there are some genetic differences but 95% of criminal behavior is learned.  Its the environment, surroundings, learning and role models.

Alcoholism has a genetic basis so I guess anything is possible.  ...you are referring to Alcoholics Anonymous?

[OzmO]

I assume you mean mine, well I think it has alot to do with the AA sub culture, what is considered "cool", rap idols are a prime example of this, also I think asserting the victem role as many AA leaders do which trickles down into the public is a big reason why just to name a few. Its easier to blame others for your mistakes than to accept responsiblity for them, this is a researched psychological concept actually. I understand that it may be easier for one person to fall into that lifestyle do to a PERCIEVED lack of options but sooner or later you have to take responsibility for you actions no matter what your circumstances. Life isnt fair and all people are not created equal, but the system is set up to treat you equally.


Again come on tre we answered your question so please be respectful and answer mine
Why is it that there are more african american males commiting crimes as opposed to caucasian american males?

I agree with much this, but i see the same problem in other cultures in America.  Victim-ology. You see it every where it seems.  I think some hip hp or rap songs seem to highlight it.  But the attitude of non-responsibility still prevails in whites and latinos who come from impoverished nieghborhoods.  So i don't know that this is the cause. 

[Tre]

Black males charged with a crime have a higher likelihood of being convicted and sentenced to prison time than white males charged with the same offense.  

Having lived in areas with high, average, and low Black populations (relative to Whites and Latinos), I feel comfortable in stating that crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race.  

I don't have enough information at my fingertips to talk about the differences between property, personal, and drug crime stats, however.  I'm speaking only in the most general terms and the reason you have a perception of 'more Blacks committing crimes than Whites' most likely comes down to the fact that a higher proportion of Blacks are in the lower socio-economic classes.  

This, however, is not an excuse for bad behavior.

[shootfighter1]

"crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race"
Absolutely!

This is a link to testosterone levels in blacks vs. whites.  There is no significant difference in testosterone levels.  Blacks tend to have a bit higher estrogen which may be the cause of increased prostate problems.  There is more obestiy among older black Americans which could explain the differences in estrogen.  Interestingly, the study found Mexican Americans with higher test levels on average compared to blacks & whites. 

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/jc.2007-0028v1.pdf

IMO, blacks excell in certain sports because of speed, not strength.  Most of the strength sports are dominated by Eastern Europeans.

[Dos Equis]

"crime rates tend to be more in line with socio-economic class than with race"
Absolutely!

I agree.  Crime correlates with income, education, and home life.  You do not see many educated people of any race committing violent crimes. 

This violent crime is genetic argument is baseless.