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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted on Monday that Muslims would uproot "satanic powers" and repeated his controversial belief that Israel will soon disappear, the Mehr news agency reported.
"I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," he said.
"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started."
Since taking the presidency in August 2005, Ahmadinejad has repeatedly provoked international outrage by predicting Israel is doomed to disappear.
"I tell you that with the unity and awareness of all the Islamic countries all the satanic powers will soon be destroyed," he said to a group of foreign visitors ahead of the 19th anniversary of the death of revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Ahmadinejad also again expressed his apocalyptic vision that tyranny in the world be abolished by the return to earth of the Mahdi, the 12th imam of Shiite Islam, alongside great religious figures including Jesus Christ.
"With the appearance of the promised saviour... and his companions such as Jesus Christ, tyranny will be soon be eradicated in the world."
Ahmadinejad has always been a devotee of the Mahdi, who Shiites believe disappeared more than a thousand years ago and who will return one day to usher in a new era of peace and harmony.
His emphasis on the Mahdi has been a cause of controversy inside Iran with critics saying he would be better solving bread-and-butter domestic problems rather than talking about Iran's divine responsibility
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Is this before or after Obama sits down with him. ::)
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Is this before or after Obama sits down with him. ::)
Who knows Obsama probably shares the same thought process as this guy.
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Not surprised. Yes Obama, if he is the newly elected leader of "The Great Satan," will be used for propaganda purposes. Just ask Hillary.
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Is this before or after Obama sits down with him. ::)
Why havent you killed this iran guy yet? Why do we constantly have to feed and clothe your ass with nothing to show from it??
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Who knows Obsama probably shares the same thought process as this guy.
He probably does. They are both muslims.
Better not vote for him, becuase he's Iranian.
Good point.
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Iran is a big problem. When a gov is ran by religious radicals like this, anything could happen.
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The guy is doing the right thing: Projecting strentgh. He knows we can't invade right now and the only thing that can happen is an Israel air strike like they did to Saddam. The region, thanks to us, isn't stable enough to survive an attack by Israel so it will be interesting to see how the region reacts to the US' policy on unilateral Israeli attacks once again.
I'm more or less wondering if he (Iran) will eventually become too important for traditional Arabs to tolerate. Especially since Iranians are Persians, I also would like to know what he thinks would be gained by being attacked.
We messed up by removing his enemy and eventually he'll end up exerting full control over Iraq. Even then, it doesn't seem that we'll be able to Export some democracy to the Iranians and be welcomed with open arms as liberators again. :)
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Iran is a big problem. When a gov is ran by religious radicals like this, anything could happen.
Yep, but when a country is ran by a greedy materialistic power hungry thug, they are easy to deal with. Seriously.
But wait! We already got rid of that guy and opened and can of worms that's holding us at bay while Iran gets nukes. Nice.
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Iran may very well be the next time the US is forced to use nuclear weapons.
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Fortunately, this guy is all talk.
Iran is only capable of fighting proxy wars. He's all talk. He doesn't have the backing of the populace. Him leading that country into a war would be a disaster for them. There's already enough public unrest with the guy, as evidenced by the fact a large number of his party members were voted out of office in the local elections. They've been reduced to disqualifying, intimidating and eliminating challengers. The youth is becoming more and more westernized. And to top it off, their economy continues to go down the shitter. Nothing but talk.
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Nothing but talk.
Agreed.
however, some people here believe it's worth
--- thousands of dead/wounded troops
--- borrowing $1 Tril for a war against a nation with 3x the population as Iraq, and way more $
--- spreading our military even thinner
--- closing the Gulf and putting gas prices at $15 per gallon
to start a war because of what this powerless clown says.
I think they are children, mentally, and don't realize the high cost just to "teach them a lesson" for words of one guy who is already unpopular and hated in his own country.
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I think the real issue here is Obama and this guy think alike. As "youandme"said.
Beware!
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the root of all these problems is israel. let israel handle their own shit, iran is no threat to the united states whatsoever.
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Agreed.
however, some people here believe it's worth
--- thousands of dead/wounded troops
--- borrowing $1 Tril for a war against a nation with 3x the population as Iraq, and way more $
--- spreading our military even thinner
--- closing the Gulf and putting gas prices at $15 per gallon
to start a war because of what this powerless clown says.
I think they are children, mentally, and don't realize the high cost just to "teach them a lesson" for words of one guy who is already unpopular and hated in his own country.
I used to think that. But after reading into it a bit, it's just blatantly clear that they're very scared of and threatened by Israel and the US. So they do what any weak person does, they overcompensate by spewing bullshit and acting tough. The last thing they want is to have either country sending them into the next life. They know that would be a death sentence, both politically and literally.
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I used to think that. But after reading into it a bit, it's just blatantly clear that they're very scared of and threatened by Israel and the US. So they do what any weak person does, they overcompensate by spewing bullshit and acting tough. The last thing they want is to have either country sending them into the next life. They know that would be a death sentence, both politically and literally.
Yes!
It's not like Iran will have an easy job destroying Israel. Most likely, Israel would utterly pulverize Iran. The muslim creep speaks teh shit, but teh Jews walks the walk. Nobody should mess with Israel...
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Yes!
It's not like Iran will have an easy job destroying Israel. Most likely, Israel would utterly pulverize Iran. The muslim creep speaks teh shit, but teh Jews walks the walk. Nobody should mess with Israel...
It's kind ridiculous really. how in the world would they sustain a war campaign against Israel?
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted on Monday that Muslims would uproot "satanic powers" and repeated his controversial belief that Israel will soon disappear, the Mehr news agency reported.
"I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," he said.
"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started."
Since taking the presidency in August 2005, Ahmadinejad has repeatedly provoked international outrage by predicting Israel is doomed to disappear.
"I tell you that with the unity and awareness of all the Islamic countries all the satanic powers will soon be destroyed," he said to a group of foreign visitors ahead of the 19th anniversary of the death of revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Ahmadinejad also again expressed his apocalyptic vision that tyranny in the world be abolished by the return to earth of the Mahdi, the 12th imam of Shiite Islam, alongside great religious figures including Jesus Christ.
"With the appearance of the promised saviour... and his companions such as Jesus Christ, tyranny will be soon be eradicated in the world."
Ahmadinejad has always been a devotee of the Mahdi, who Shiites believe disappeared more than a thousand years ago and who will return one day to usher in a new era of peace and harmony.
His emphasis on the Mahdi has been a cause of controversy inside Iran with critics saying he would be better solving bread-and-butter domestic problems rather than talking about Iran's divine responsibility
shouldn't ya care more about America then israel...
who gives a flying fuck if it disappears...its nothing but a financial burden...
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It's kind ridiculous really. how in the world would they sustain a war campaign against Israel?
Who knows? Debussey has little knowledge about actual Iranian fighting capability, but messing with Israel no matter how fundamentalistic and nuts you are = not.A.Good.Idea.
And for gods sake, it's not like most Iranian people share their lunatic presidents views.
All in all, the more fanatic shit lunatic muslims spread, the more they are digging their own grave eventually.
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Who knows? Debussey has little knowledge about actual Iranian fighting capability, but messing with Israel no matter how fundamentalistic and nuts you are = not.A.Good.Idea.
Just look at physical proximity and what's in their way.
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Seeing how everything this dude says is mistranslated(as the israel wiped off the map thing was), I'm gonna have to take this with a grain of salt.
The sad thing about iran is that it actually has the potential to be a non-fundamentalist nation. It was a decent place before those loonies came to power.
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To bad it's the fundamentalist that are ruing the peace and prosperity of the world.
What is even sadder is we are putting a guy like Obama, who no one knows very much about in the limelight of this trainwreck.
Also nothing this dude says is mistranslated.
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Also nothing this dude says is mistranslated.
Come on, that's an absolute statement. You can very rarely use those and retain credibility. Those earlier statements were highly disputed. Yeah, he's a nut and we don't like him... but to give our white house 100% faith to be honest about the dude and his intentions = naive.
i agree Obama is a big Q mark, and I think the repubs will throw all that at him in the fall debates. I hope they do. If he has demons, I hope they're readily exposed.
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To bad it's the fundamentalist that are ruing the peace and prosperity of the world.
What is even sadder is we are putting a guy like Obama, who no one knows very much about in the limelight of this trainwreck.
Also nothing this dude says is mistranslated.
Hmm, good point.
someone we know little about who promises change. OR Someone who represents previous administrations foreign and economic policies that are partially responsible for such great stuff these days.
Hmmmmm, Do we want more of the same from some gummer or are we actually so stupid to think Obama is a cummunist and muslim who'll ruin America?
OR,
Let's see, more BUSH like results versus the unknown?
Hmmm, OR more fear based crap versus, someone who has been campaigning on change. Hmmmm
wow tough choice.
Is Obama Iranian?
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No he's from Kenya.
Well if you don't think he is not radical, please explain his radical stance on the issues of gun control and abortion rights (where he states that abortion should be illegal no matter if the mother's life is in danger during labor)
I was right about the church being racist months ago when people said it was "nothing" and "looks normal"
His mother and her parents were/are communist, attended a communist leftist church, and Obama even says she is his conrnerstone in politics.
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No he's from Kenya.
Well if you don't think he is not radical, please explain his radical stance on the issues of gun control and abortion rights (where he states that abortion should be illegal no matter if the mother's life is in danger during labor)
That sounds like a conservative christian belief.
I was right about the church being racist months ago when people said it was "nothing" and "looks normal"
How could anyone have said that? Wright is a victimologist.
His mother and her parents were/are communist, attended a communist leftist church, and Obama even says she is his conrnerstone in politics.
Other then his parents being communists? If that's even true. What has he supported or suggested as a campaign promise that makes him a communists?
Look at the other side of the coin.
McCain is old s dirt. Represents the BUSH administration in foreign policy matters, and who knows about economic matters, he just supported a northrup contract for tankers that would give jobs to people in europe. And bottom line, he reminds me of a man who sold his soul for the republican nomination.
Most of that os stupid. Right? Just like suggesting Obama and This Iranian nut job think alike.
And i was being Facetious about were he is from. :)
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Shit, even if he was a muslim(Obama) he cant be worse than the fvcktard leading us now.
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I think the real issue here is Obama and this guy think alike. As "youandme"said.
Beware!
ROFL. You've been going nuts with the ubersarcastic posts lately.
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Hmm, good point.
someone we know little about who promises change. OR Someone who represents previous administrations foreign and economic policies that are partially responsible for such great stuff these days.
Hmmmmm, Do we want more of the same from some gummer or are we actually so stupid to think Obama is a cummunist and muslim who'll ruin America?
OR,
Let's see, more BUSH like results versus the unknown?
Hmmm, OR more fear based crap versus, someone who has been campaigning on change. Hmmmm
wow tough choice.
Is Obama Iranian?
Or you could have the guy who admits he offers nothing new. Just the same old tax and spend, big government, class warfare liberalism in a different package.
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Or you could have the guy who admits he offers nothing new. Just the same old tax and spend, big government, class warfare liberalism in a different package.
Sigh. so true. :(
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Or you could have the guy who admits he offers nothing new. Just the same old tax and spend, big government, class warfare liberalism in a different package.
Ewwww. You described our last 8 yrs and mcbush....
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Sigh. so true. :(
Depressing no?
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Here you fucking cocksuckers go again ::) He says "zionist regime" and you add (Israel) Zionism isn't the land, it isn't a people it's a fucking political movement and one that should be ended. It's bullshit.
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Here you fucking cocksuckers go again ::) He says "zionist regime" and you add (Israel) Zionism isn't the land, it isn't a people it's a fucking political movement and one that should be ended. It's bullshit.
Welcome home.. ;D
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I really don't care what Imadinnerjacket says.
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Welcome home.. ;D
I've been free energy experimenting for the past couple weeks. Cool so far. I made an HHO cell and installed it in my 07 mustang GT. The thing just erupts massive HHO gas when I hit the switch. The only problem was my Oxygen censor picks up the extra oxygen and enriches the fuel ratio. So I built a second device to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and tested it. It works, now just have to find a place to install that. I'm also working on several ways to power the cell seperate from the car battery. And a cooling system must be worked out, the cell quickly reaches high temp without one, but that shouldn't be hard to do.
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I really don't care what Imadinnerjacket says.
me either, I care more that the psycho warmongers don't use his statements completely out of context to get us into another war.
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I've been free energy experimenting for the past couple weeks. Cool so far. I made an HHO cell and installed it up to my 07 mustang GT. The thing just erupts massive HHO gas when I hit the switch. The only problem was my Oxygen censor picks up the extra oxygen and enriches the fuel ratio. So I built a second device to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and tested it. It works, now just have to find a place to install that. I'm also working on several ways to power the cell seperate from the car battery. And a cooling system must be worked out, the cell quickly reaches high temp without one, but that shouldn't be hard to do.
When you go Back to the Future will you take me with you?
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me either, I care more that the psycho warmongers don't use his statements completely out of context to get us into another war.
I hope Bush has the decency to leave office without starting another stupid war.
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okay, let's back up a moment.
ahmadinejad is not interested in a war. period. he knows his country is in no position to fight one. they lack the military power and he knows he's about as popular in iran as bush is here, plus let's not forget that he doesn't even run the country and couldn't do jack squat even if he wanted to without khamenei's say-so.
secondly, as hugo said, ahmadinejad just said the zionist regime, not the israeli people. nothing he has ever said indicates he has any aspirations for nuking israel or even starting a war there for the above reasons.
ahmadinejad is trying to do one thing and one thing only: step into the vacuum created by saddam's fall. until now, iraq was the "big man" in the area, saddam was the scary power and his country was at the forefront of policy. what ahmadinejad wants to do is keep iran in the headlines and the nuclear attempts are in order to get them a place at the table.
the hullabaloo over his statements are what he wants, like a dog that jumps, barks, and snaps in the hopes of making you think it's a rottweiler when in reality it's a yorkie. ahmadinejad is even less likely of attacking israel than saddam was because, unlike saddam, he's not a megalomaniacal moron. for his crazy viewpoints, he's quite astute and knows full well that if iran dropped so much as a firecracker in israel's territory iran would be a swimming pool the next day.
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When you go Back to the Future will you take me with you?
here's what my installation looks like so far :D
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here's what my installation looks like so far :D
I like saving fuel, but that might be a little much for me at the moment. Maybe eventually you can get it to where it fits in the trunk? Or do you need it to be midbody? Like the pic's title though, fluxHHO ;D
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LOL, look at it this way, if what Ahmadinejad said means he wants to destroy Israel, that means there are countless Jews in America that want Israel destroyed too since they've said the same thing. Of course they don't want that. The only people who want you to believe that are zionists and neocons.
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I like saving fuel, but that might be a little much for me at the moment. Maybe eventually you can get it to where it fits in the trunk? Or do you need it to be midbody? Like the pic's title though, fluxHHO ;D
You have to have it in a well vented area incase there is any leakage. Don't want to make your car into a hydrogen bomb :D
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LOL, look at it this way, if what Ahmadinejad said means he wants to destroy Israel, that means there are countless Jews in America that want Israel destroyed too since they've said the same thing. Of course they don't want that. The only people who want you to believe that are zionists and neocons.
america always needs a bogeyman. it was the russians, then saddam, then bin laden, then saddam again, now ahmadinejad.
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america always needs a bogeyman. it was the russians, then saddam, then bin laden, then saddam again, now ahmadinejad.
brought to you by Straussian Neocons
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america always needs a bogeyman. it was the russians, then saddam, then bin laden, then saddam again, now ahmadinejad.
I never quite thought it of that way but now you say it - that really seems true.
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america always needs a bogeyman. it was the russians, then saddam, then bin laden, then saddam again, now ahmadinejad.
Ever think that is because there are boogeymen?
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Russia was no threat..Bin Laden..no threat....nope we're the bad guy. ::)
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Or you could have the guy who admits he offers nothing new. Just the same old tax and spend, big government, class warfare liberalism in a different package.
That's a very grotesque assessment of Obama's platform.
Which parts of his platform are repackaged, class warfare liberalism?
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Fortunately, this guy is all talk.
Iran is only capable of fighting proxy wars. He's all talk. He doesn't have the backing of the populace. Him leading that country into a war would be a disaster for them. There's already enough public unrest with the guy, as evidenced by the fact a large number of his party members were voted out of office in the local elections. They've been reduced to disqualifying, intimidating and eliminating challengers. The youth is becoming more and more westernized. And to top it off, their economy continues to go down the shitter. Nothing but talk.
Exactly.
Those getting their panties in a bunch over his utterances are playing into his hands.
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Ever think that is because there are boogeymen?
bogeyman in what sense? that people are "bad"? sure. but the last real threat the united states faced was the soviets. saddam? never attacked us. bin laden? i'll let 240 get into that, but i -will- say that the al qaeda threat has been manufactured even accepting 9/11 as pure AQ handiwork.
That's a very grotesque assessment of Obama's platform.
Which parts of his platform are repackaged, class warfare liberalism?
the term "class warfare" pisses me off so much.
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bogeyman in what sense? that people are "bad"? sure. but the last real threat the united states faced was the soviets. saddam? never attacked us. bin laden? i'll let 240 get into that, but i -will- say that the al qaeda threat has been manufactured even accepting 9/11 as pure AQ handiwork.
the term "class warfare" pisses me off so much.
Me too. Mostly b/c average right wing suckers parrot the mantra of the financial elite that any tax imposed or raised is an attack on the wealthy movers n shakers in our country.
It's an abomination of the spirit of the meaning of "class warfare."
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Christ if u guys would enlist, and spend time overseas this conversation would be over in a minute. Nobody is saying that Iraq is going to invade, but u have AQ pushing for WMD's to be used against the West. The threat is not overblown...we kicking the shit out of the threat. I apologize on behalf of the entire US military for doing our jobs and killing enough nutbags to keep u safe.
Both candidates would allow President George W. Bush's tax cuts to expire for workers in the top two tax brackets and set the estate-tax rate at 45 percent with a $7 million exemption. Obama wants tax rates on capital gains and dividends to rise from the current 15 percent rate to perhaps as high as 28 percent, the rate under former President Ronald Reagan.
The centerpiece of Obama's tax plan is a $1,000 tax cut for workers that would cost more than $80 billion annually and effectively eliminate all taxes for about 10 million low-income Americans.
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He wants to spend $150 billion on a green-energy plan. He wants to establish an infrastructure investment bank to the tune of $60 billion. He wants to expand health insurance by roughly $65 billion. He wants to “reopen” trade deals, which is another way of saying he wants to raise the barriers to free trade. He intends to regulate the profits for drug companies, health insurers, and energy firms. He wants to establish a mortgage-interest tax credit. He wants to double the number of workers receiving the earned-income tax credit and triple this benefit for minimum-wage workers.
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The Obama spend-o-meter is now up around $800 billion. And tax hikes on the rich won’t pay for it. It’s the middle class that will ultimately shoulder this fiscal burden in terms of higher taxes and lower growth.
This isn’t free enterprise. It’s old-fashioned-liberal tax, spend, and regulate. It’s plain ol’ big government. The only people who will benefit are the central planners in Washington.
Obama would like voters to believe that he’s the second coming of JFK. But with his unbelievable spending and new-government-agency proposals he’s looking more and more like Jimmy Carter. His is a “Grow the Government Bureaucracy Plan,” and it’s totally at odds with investment and business.
Obama says he wants U.S. corporations to stop “shipping jobs overseas” and bring their cash back home. But if he really wanted U.S. companies to keep more of their profits in the states he’d be calling for a reduction in the corporate tax rate. Why isn’t he demanding an end to the double-taxation of corporate earnings? It’s simple: He wants higher taxes, too.
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Not only is Obama the big-spending candidate, he’s also the very-high-tax candidate. And what he wants to tax is capital.
Doesn’t Obama understand the vital role of capital formation in creating businesses and jobs? Doesn’t he understand that without capital, businesses can’t expand their operations and hire more
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He wants to spend $150 billion on a green-energy plan. He wants to establish an infrastructure investment bank to the tune of $60 billion. He wants to expand health insurance by roughly $65 billion. He wants to “reopen” trade deals, which is another way of saying he wants to raise the barriers to free trade. He intends to regulate the profits for drug companies, health insurers, and energy firms. He wants to establish a mortgage-interest tax credit. He wants to double the number of workers receiving the earned-income tax credit and triple this benefit for minimum-wage workers.
All of this sounds good. except the trade deals of course. Weve spent a trillion on an occupation.......lets put that back on our own grounds!! Looks like we have the money to destroy another country so why not build our own??
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Sure...where is the money coming from...not from my pocket.
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Russia was no threat..Bin Laden..no threat....nope we're the bad guy. ::)
Actually, the argument is that our leaders sometimes characterize the enemy to fit their own agenda.
When Bush needs political distractions or a pile of money, his staff uses fearmongering and often, exaggeration of threats. Remember the Miami 7? A couple of illiterate dishwashers, some of them actually mentally handicapped? They had a giftwrapped plan from an FBI informant. They nodded along and drank beers. Then they were arrested when Bush needed it politically. Have they been convicted? Goodness no. They're retarded gimps.
Youtube 'nexus of politics and terror'.
You'll see 20 examples of Bush releasing terror warnings, 1 day after politically damaging news for the repubs.
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Christ if u guys would enlist, and spend time overseas this conversation would be over in a minute. Nobody is saying that Iraq is going to invade, but u have AQ pushing for WMD's to be used against the West. The threat is not overblown...we kicking the shit out of the threat. I apologize on behalf of the entire US military for doing our jobs and killing enough nutbags to keep u safe.
You are managing an occupation that Bush created. I don't really think that killing Iraqi citizens rebelling against US occupation is affecting US security interests at all.
Both candidates would allow President George W. Bush's tax cuts to expire for workers in the top two tax brackets and set the estate-tax rate at 45 percent with a $7 million exemption. Obama wants tax rates on capital gains and dividends to rise from the current 15 percent rate to perhaps as high as 28 percent, the rate under former President Ronald Reagan.
The centerpiece of Obama's tax plan is a $1,000 tax cut for workers that would cost more than $80 billion annually and effectively eliminate all taxes for about 10 million low-income Americans.
Bush sold the tax cuts to the public on the premise that THEY WOULD EXPIRE IN 2010.
That's how Bush lied about the true costs of his proposed tax cuts while campaigning for the 2000 election.
Didn't you ever ask yourself, why is there a 10 year boundary to the tax cuts?
I gotta say, that estate tax sounds sweet.
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Sure...where is the money coming from...not from my pocket.
oh yes it will.
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The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Good bye capitalism :-X
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Good bye capitalism :-X
There no way a 39% tax will ever happen regardless of who's in the president's chair.
But you can fear spin until the cows come home
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There no way a 39% tax will ever happen regardless of who's in the president's chair.
I hope so, but
For the higher tax brackets it could approach that, and in the past we have had extremely high income taxes.
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I hope so, but
For the higher tax brackets it could approach that, and in the past we have had extremely high income taxes.
A 28% CGT is bullshit. But the way BUSH and company has run this country into the ground, i don;t think Obama could do worse. i do however think, McCain the Gummer can.
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That's a very grotesque assessment of Obama's platform.
Which parts of his platform are repackaged, class warfare liberalism?
He has already admitted he offers nothing new, so his entire platform is repackaged liberalism. He specifically wants to raise taxes on people over a certain income thresshold and use that money to pay for socialized healthcare. I have heard him repeatedly talk about attacking business, essentially pitting "business" against "the middle class," is if we're not all in this together. Like many liberals, he wants to raise taxes and constantly talks about "the middle class" and "the wealthy." In reality, we're all Americans, all in this together, and no politician should be trying to demonize any segment of society. He has the mindset that you can be successful, but not too successful, or the governent will punish you.
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...The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Not only is Obama the big-spending candidate, he’s also the very-high-tax candidate. And what he wants to tax is capital.
Doesn’t Obama understand the vital role of capital formation in creating businesses and jobs? Doesn’t he understand that without capital, businesses can’t expand their operations and hire more
I don't think Stephen Moore has ever produced a piece of credible analysis.
From what I've seen of him (on TV) and his work is that he's a sniveling simpleton who would say anything in defense of tax cuts.
I would have to see the numbers he ran before I would accept any conclusion from the "man".
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He has already admitted he offers nothing new, so his entire platform is repackaged liberalism.
Could you show me the quote where Barak admits he offers nothing new?
That sounds like rightwing blog flotsam.
Tell me, what new things does John McCain offer?
He specifically wants to raise taxes on people over a certain income thresshold and use that money to pay for socialized healthcare. I have heard him repeatedly talk about attacking business, essentially pitting "business" against "the middle class," is if we're not all in this together. Like many liberals, he wants to raise taxes and constantly talks about "the middle class" and "the wealthy." In reality, we're all Americans, all in this together, and no politician should be trying to demonize any segment of society. He has the mindset that you can be successful, but not too successful, or the governent will punish you.
Where did this populist streak come from Beach Bum? "We are all in this together"...? I thought you were a proponent of competition.
How does Barak demonize a segment of society? I missed that. I don't recall him pitting business against the middle class. In fact, that doesn't even make much sense.
He speaks of middle class and wealthy segments of america, right? Don't those factions exist? Hasn't the wealth and income of one of those segments increased some 500% over the last 30 years while the other segment has flat lined?
Is wealth/income inequality a non-issue or is it a fabrication all together by left wingers?
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Could you show me the quote where Barak admits he offers nothing new?
That sounds like rightwing blog flotsam.
Tell me, what new things does John McCain offer?
Where did this populist streak come from Beach Bum? "We are all in this together"...? I thought you were a proponent of competition.
How does Barak demonize a segment of society? I missed that. I don't recall him pitting business against the middle class. In fact, that doesn't even make much sense.
He speaks of middle class and wealthy segments of america, right? Don't those factions exist? Hasn't the wealth and income of one of those segments increased some 500% over the last 30 years while the other segment has flat lined?
Is wealth/income inequality a non-issue or is it a fabrication all together by left wingers?
I've given you Obama's quote before on this board.
McCain brings solid experience and the right mindset: cut taxes, cut spending. Remains to be seen if he will follow through. He also has an independent streak and isn't afraid to disagree with his party.
I absolutely believe in competition, which is great for all of us. I don't believe in targeting business and attempting to punish business for being successful. We are business. Any negative impact on business affects all of us.
Yes we have people of all income levels. What the government shouldn't do is try and control how much people make for the benefit of the those on the lower end. There is already enough in place to help everyone.
You talk as if people have a right to make a lot of money or have a high net worth. They don't. People have to earn it. And when people earn it, the government needs to get out of the way.
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I've given you Obama's quote before on this board.
Did you? I was not a supporter of Obama's so I may have glossed over it. I looked and I couldn't find a single quote like the one you attributed him.
McCain brings solid experience and the right mindset: cut taxes, cut spending. Remains to be seen if he will follow through. He also has an independent streak and isn't afraid to disagree with his party.
And which of these grand qualities is something new?
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Yes we have people of all income levels. What the government shouldn't do is try and control how much people make for the benefit of the those on the lower end. There is already enough in place to help everyone.
You talk as if people have a right to make a lot of money or have a high net worth. They don't. People have to earn it. And when people earn it, the government needs to get out of the way.
I don't think taxation puts a cap on how much a person can earn. That's still the province of the marketplace. I am partial to a moderated meritocracy where a portion of the capitalist winnings is returned to the state for redistribution to those people in the greatest need.
I think that is pretty smart.
Since the government is the people, I would disagree with your contention that the government should get out of the way of Plutocratic market rigging corner cutting elites.
That's what we in the Royal Navy call a joke.
Taxation based on the ability to pay is also a pretty smart idea. Don't you think?
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Did you? I was not a supporter of Obama's so I may have glossed over it. I looked and I couldn't find a single quote like the one you attributed him.
And which of these grand qualities is something new?
I don't think taxation puts a cap on how much a person can earn. That's still the province of the marketplace. I am partial to a moderated meritocracy where a portion of the capitalist winnings is returned to the state for redistribution to those people in the greatest need.
I think that is pretty smart.
Since the government is the people, I would disagree with your contention that the government should get out of the way of Plutocratic market rigging corner cutting elites.
That's what we in the Royal Navy call a joke.
Taxation based on the ability to pay is also a pretty smart idea. Don't you think?
Yes, I did. "Look harrrrder." Rafiki (great philosopher from the Lion King).
I haven't heard McCain offer anything new. He doesn't need to. From an economic standpoint, he needs to be a true conservative, which is better for this country than big government liberalism.
We already have taxation based on the ability to pay. "Poor people" pay little, if any, taxes. "The wealthy" pay the lion's share of taxes in this country.
But then you have people like Obama who wants people to pay even more taxes, including raising capital gains taxes. No thank you.
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He has already admitted he offers nothing new, so his entire platform is repackaged liberalism. He specifically wants to raise taxes on people over a certain income thresshold and use that money to pay for socialized healthcare. I have heard him repeatedly talk about attacking business, essentially pitting "business" against "the middle class," is if we're not all in this together. Like many liberals, he wants to raise taxes and constantly talks about "the middle class" and "the wealthy." In reality, we're all Americans, all in this together, and no politician should be trying to demonize any segment of society. He has the mindset that you can be successful, but not too successful, or the governent will punish you.
This seems good to me. I like robin hood...who doesnt??
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Good bye capitalism :-X
Actually its an elite form of capitialism. Just "richer guys" at the poker table....
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I haven't heard McCain offer anything new. He doesn't need to. From an economic standpoint, he needs to be a true conservative, which is better for this country than big government liberalism.
So McCain is retread of right wing failures like GW Bush and Ronald Reagan.
We already have taxation based on the ability to pay. "Poor people" pay little, if any, taxes. "The wealthy" pay the lion's share of taxes in this country.
That is applicable only to income taxes. We all pay the same capital gains, payroll, and sales tax rates.
But then you have people like Obama who wants people to pay even more taxes, including raising capital gains taxes. No thank you.
I see.
So do you think that earned income (through hard work) should be taxed at a higher rate than unearned/passive income (earned largely by calling one's broker or realty agent)?
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So McCain is retread of right wing failures like GW Bush and Ronald Reagan.
That is applicable only to income taxes. We all pay the same capital gains, payroll, and sales tax rates.I see.
So do you think that earned income (through hard work) should be taxed at a higher rate than unearned/passive income (earned largely by calling one's broker or realty agent)?
Not at all. At least per his rhetoric. He is the antithesis of the big government, tax and spend liberals who controlled Congress for about 40 years . . . if he does what he has promised to do.
We're always talking about income taxes in these discussions. At least I am.
I make no distinction between earned income and passive income. They're both achieved through hard work.
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Not at all. At least per his rhetoric. He is the antithesis of the big government, tax and spend liberals who controlled Congress for about 40 years . . . if he does what he has promised to do.
Borrow and spend costs more than tax and spend.
We're always talking about income taxes in these discussions. At least I am.
I make no distinction between earned income and passive income. They're both achieved through hard work.
Why would you do that when the rich pay most of their taxes in capital gains and the poor pay most of their taxes in payroll taxes?
Regressive/flat taxes hurt poor people more than rich people.
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Borrow and spend costs more than tax and spend.
Why would you do that when the rich pay most of their taxes in capital gains and the poor pay most of their taxes in payroll taxes?
Regressive/flat taxes hurt poor people more than rich people.
The working "poor people" pay little, if any, in income taxes.
We shouldn't be trying to find ways to take people's money. The folks in control of the purse strings should always be trying to find ways to efficiently run the government, while allowing us to keep our own money. Obama doesn't bring that mindset to the table.
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The working "poor people" pay little, if any, in income taxes.
We shouldn't be trying to find ways to take people's money. The folks in control of the purse strings should always be trying to find ways to efficiently run the government, while allowing us to keep our own money. Obama doesn't bring that mindset to the table.
I think Obama's economic plan is light years ahead of the McCain's unwise tax cuts for all and borrow more policies.
Have a great day BB. I'm off to the wife.
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I think Obama's economic plan is light years ahead of the McCain's unwise tax cuts for all and borrow more policies.
Have a great day BB. I'm off to the wife.
You too mang. I am having a marvelously vogless day. :)