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Unf**kingreal.
You guys are trying to cash-in on the MMA scene? Wow, "we as MMA fighters." ::)
Troponin Nutrition expands and diversifies
Troponin Nutrition will now be offering our nutrition consulting services to the MMA community with specialized plans geared towards fighters. We will be offering customized plans for fighters looking to add muscular weight, fighters looking to lose bodyfat, and a special ‘final weeks’ plan for making weight then recomping back to optimal fighting condition.
We’ll be adding some new Protege nutritionists who will be offering the new MMA plans as well as our traditional Troponin offseason, progressive, precontest, and training plans.
Look for these new guys to be added to the site in the next week or two, in conjunction with a complete overhaul of our current website (www.troponinnutrition.co m).
In addition, we have a short article (see below) coming out in the next issue of Tapout Magazine (www.tapoutmagazine.com and www.mmaworldwide.com) on carb cycling and a brief introduction to its application for MMA athletes. This magazine can be purchased at any major bookstore such as Border’s or Barnes and Noble.
Feel free to PM or email with any questions, and stay tuned for additional updates.
Cheers,
Shelby Starnes
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Unf**kingreal.
You guys are trying to cash-in on the MMA scene? Wow, "we as MMA fighters." ::)
And you woud be who ???
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get over it
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get over it
It's just hilarious.
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Cool. Translation = we will totally help you out with the right drug stack.
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Cool. Translation = we will totally help you out with the right drug stack.
Also, we will teach you how to make your weight through water depletion so you will have no energy or cardio for your fight. ::)
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Sorry guys, but I've trained MMA guys for along time and the last thing I thought about was putting on "muscular weight" my goal has always to get them as functionally powerful and strong (in that order) as fuck, size just a natural thing with this kind of training. Carb cycling seems to me just a selling point to get in the market. Truth is, if you drop carbs they way these guys train 2-3 hours at a time it would be not only foolish but naive thinking. If a trainer knows his fighter he should know when the fight is to prepare the periodization and that includes having enough time to drop weight without losing energy and getting fatigued while training.
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Sorry guys, but I've trained MMA guys for along time and the last thing I thought about was putting on "muscular weight" my goal has always to get them as functionally powerful and strong (in that order) as fuck, size just a natural thing with this kind of training. Carb cycling seems to me just a selling point to get in the market. Truth is, if you drop carbs they way these guys train 2-3 hours at a time it would be not only foolish but naive thinking. If a trainer knows his fighter he should know when the fight is to prepare the periodization and that includes having enough time to drop weight without losing energy and getting fatigued while training.
You hit several nails on the head, sir. Well said.
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One thing I've learned over the years with my clients and athletes is most don't care about the scientific bullshit, I could talk science, give them case studies on why I do the things I do till I'm blue in face....they dont give a shit, they just want to be trained, period. I see this with Troponin, dude knows his stuff for the most part but reality is people dont care about science, they just want to know what you can do for them. If they ask why, then tell them. Long story short, tell them the why's and how but if you start baffling them with scientific BS....you lose them and that can basically care less.
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Unf**kingreal.
You guys are trying to cash-in on the MMA scene? Wow, "we as MMA fighters." ::)
Our MMA branch is led by Shelby Starnes and Mike Hanley.
Shelby has trained at Sitpholek Muay Thai Gym in Pattaya, Thailand.
He's also trained under Matee Jedeepitak at Warrior Way, in Michigan.
Mike owns "the Training Studio" and "Hanley Strength Systems" in NJ.
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Let's just tell it like it really is guys..
Troponin Nutrition will now be offering our nutrition consulting services to the MMA community with specialized plans geared towards fighters. We will be
offering customized plans for fighters looking to add muscular weight, *cough* High protein & Steroids fighters looking to lose bodyfat,
*cough* reduced calories, cardio, and steroids and a special ‘final weeks’ plan for making weight taking diuretics, then
recomping back to optimal fighting condition.
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Let's just tell it like it really is guys..
Troponin Nutrition will now be offering our nutrition consulting services to the MMA community with specialized plans geared towards fighters. We will be
offering customized plans for fighters looking to add muscular weight, *cough* High protein & Steroids fighters looking to lose bodyfat,
*cough* reduced calories, cardio, and steroids and a special ‘final weeks’ plan for making weight taking diuretics, then
recomping back to optimal fighting condition.
Thats funny. I've worked with Trop for 4yrs and never once got any roid advice. I know several others that have worked with other Trop guys and they haven't gotten gear advice either. Oh well you would know better then me right ::)
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Thats funny. I've worked with Trop for 4yrs and never once got any roid advice. I know several others that have worked with other Trop guys and they haven't gotten gear advice either. Oh well you would know better then me right ::)
So fucking true.
Roids are not so complicated that you need someone to build you complicated cycles, that's what people fail to understand.
nutrition is more complex (and not super complicated either, you just need someone with a good eye who knows where you need to be at X weeks out)
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MMA is a sport with some good money in recent years.
There's no doubt their if their athletes can improve performance by 1%, it can make a big difference in winnings.
There's no doubt that good nutrition can help athletes peak and perform better, easily giving them a 1% edge or better.
I've read the MMA boards - they have extensive nutrition and supplementation areas, and many of the members are clueless as to what they should be eating. I'm surprised more nutrition experts aren't tapping this growing market.
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Our MMA branch is led by Shelby Starnes and Mike Hanley.
Shelby has trained at Sitpholek Muay Thai Gym in Pattaya, Thailand.
He's also trained under Matee Jedeepitak at Warrior Way, in Michigan.
Mike owns "the Training Studio" and "Hanley Strength Systems" in NJ.
So, he recommends his fighters to "carb cycle?"
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MMA is a sport with some good money in recent years.
There's no doubt their if their athletes can improve performance by 1%, it can make a big difference in winnings.
There's no doubt that good nutrition can help athletes peak and perform better, easily giving them a 1% edge or better.
I've read the MMA boards - they have extensive nutrition and supplementation areas, and many of the members are clueless as to what they should be eating. I'm surprised more nutrition experts aren't tapping this growing market.
Those fighters train completely different than bodybuilders. Brock Lenser eats whatever he can because he burns so many calories from training. He eats a cheeseburger, french fries and a coke after training. Advertising "carb cycling" to MMA fighters is horrible advice.
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Those fighters train completely different than bodybuilders. Brock Lenser eats whatever he can because he burns so many calories from training. He eats a cheeseburger, french fries and a coke after training. Advertising "carb cycling" to MMA fighters is horrible advice.
Are you saying that Brock Lesnar wouldn't benefit even 1% if that cheeseburger was replaced with a lean chicken breast? Are you saying that he would benefit zero from proper nutrition?
Just because he's a great fighter while eating junk food, doesn't mean he wouldn't be an even better fighter with proper nutrition.
Or are you saying that proper nutrition benefits athletes in every sport EXCEPT mma, which happens to be probably the most taxing sport of all of them? Come on dude.
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MMA is a sport with some good money in recent years.
There's no doubt their if their athletes can improve performance by 1%, it can make a big difference in winnings.
There's no doubt that good nutrition can help athletes peak and perform better, easily giving them a 1% edge or better.
I've read the MMA boards - they have extensive nutrition and supplementation areas, and many of the members are clueless as to what they should be eating. I'm surprised more nutrition experts aren't tapping this growing market.
A pretty well thought out and sound argument Rob!
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Are you saying that Brock Lesnar wouldn't benefit even 1% if that cheeseburger was replaced with a lean chicken breast? Are you saying that he would benefit zero from proper nutrition?
Just because he's a great fighter while eating junk food, doesn't mean he wouldn't be an even better fighter with proper nutrition.
Or are you saying that proper nutrition benefits athletes in every sport EXCEPT mma, which happens to be probably the most taxing sport of all of them? Come on dude.
He's trying to keep his weight and strength up, not lose it. I think Lesner knows a little more about nutrition than you. Again, these fighters train much differently than bodybuilders.
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So fucking true.
Roids are not so complicated that you need someone to build you complicated cycles, that's what people fail to understand.
nutrition is more complex (and not super complicated either, you just need someone with a good eye who knows where you need to be at X weeks out)
GOOD boy,play nice and you won't get hurt,and you will earn your trophy.
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Thats funny. I've worked with Trop for 4yrs and never once got any roid advice. I know several others that have worked with other Trop guys and they haven't gotten gear advice either. Oh well you would know better then me right ::)
So say you added in T3 at some point in your prep this isn't something you would discuss with him? It would seem like something he'd want to know. Also wouldn't he want to know if you were on GH? None of this came up ever?
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He's trying to keep his weight and strength up, not lose it. I think Lesner knows a little more about nutrition than you. Again, these fighters train much differently than bodybuilders.
You're discredint yourself, marr Kerr.
1) Any nutritionist worth his money will tell you that proper nutrition helps you keep your weight and strength up WAY more than fast food calories.
2) I would guess that lesnar does NOT know a great deal about nutrition, if he's competing in pro leve athletics and still eating coke and fries before competing. He's costing himself a lot of money by doing this. How did Brock do in the NFL again? ;) (He played for the Minnesota Vikings, before being cut from the team for no-showing at practices due to injuries.)
3) Of course fighters train much differently than bodybuilders. However you will not find a SINGLE nutritionist out there who will tell you that burgers/fries are superior to clean foods for sports performance.
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3) Of course fighters train much differently than bodybuilders. However you will not find a SINGLE nutritionist out there who will tell you that burgers/fries are superior to clean foods for sports performance.
Depends on the sport. Everyone knows fats and 'heavy' foods in general help strength. Are you going to feel stronger eating a fatty steak with fries or chicken and broccoli? I don't know shit about fighting but I know I would rather eat a crap meal before a strenuous activity than a very 'clean' meal.
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Depends on the sport. Everyone knows fats and 'heavy' foods in general help strength. Are you going to feel stronger eating a fatty steak with fries or chicken and broccoli? I don't know shit about fighting but I know I would rather eat a crap meal before a strenuous activity than a very 'clean' meal.
I'm sure the experts can tell us which carbs and other macros will keep you from gassing while in a 9-minute struggle for life/death on the floor while being punched.
I'm sure cheeseburgers aren't on the list.
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You're discredint yourself, marr Kerr.
1) Any nutritionist worth his money will tell you that proper nutrition helps you keep your weight and strength up WAY more than fast food calories.
2) I would guess that lesnar does NOT know a great deal about nutrition, if he's competing in pro leve athletics and still eating coke and fries before competing. He's costing himself a lot of money by doing this. How did Brock do in the NFL again? ;) (He played for the Minnesota Vikings, before being cut from the team for no-showing at practices due to injuries.)
3) Of course fighters train much differently than bodybuilders. However you will not find a SINGLE nutritionist out there who will tell you that burgers/fries are superior to clean foods for sports performance.
Maybe you should email Brock and let him know he needs to learn how to eat properly. I think you are showing your ignorance here. If you are trying to gain weight, and keep your weight up, they will. Again, these guys do a lot more training than just 40 minutes of weight training and 20 minutes on the treadmill.
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Those fighters train completely different than bodybuilders. Brock Lenser eats whatever he can because he burns so many calories from training. He eats a cheeseburger, french fries and a coke after training. Advertising "carb cycling" to MMA fighters is horrible advice.
Although I don't agree with it, he won't hurt him unless he's doing this right after every workout. It would benefit him better to have a higher nutritional recovery program than just a "cheeseburger, frys and a coke".
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So, he recommends his fighters to "carb cycle?"
I sponsor fighters out of the North County Fight Club, the very first thing these guys were asking me about in meetings was nutrition nutrition nutrition. Everyone is equaling out now in jui jitsu, wrestling, striking and fighting styles. People are getting well rounded and the field is evening out. So who is going to take over with everything being equal? Whats the missing link? Nutrition, cardio and being stronger than the guy across from you who has the same fighting skills you do. MMA fighters are seeking out this information for an edge. Its not being forced upon them. I was asked to go to dinner with a UFC fighter who is fighting this weekend in England (which I did)....he wanted to pick my brain on his diet and get it dialed in. This is a huge weakness in MMA fighters right now....they have everything else up to snuff and they are clueless about nutrition. One of the King of the Cage champions is calling me to get his diet dialed in and Justin Harris and I planned previously to make the rounds to his camp when Justin is back out here and we are going to get those guys straightened out. You better get on the boat soon Mark Kerr because the athletes around you are doing everything in their power to turn into machines and they are covering all the bases.
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So say you added in T3 at some point in your prep this isn't something you would discuss with him? It would seem like something he'd want to know. Also wouldn't he want to know if you were on GH? None of this came up ever?
Never said that gear wasn't used but he isn't the one that tells his athletes what to take. It's our responsibility to let them know what we are doing so the diet can be adjusted to account for it. They aren't the ones saying take this and this much. They do only the diet part of it. Not all trainers do that. I know others that will do your cycle for you but Trop does not.
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I sponsor fighters out of the North County Fight Club, the very first thing these guys were asking me about in meetings was nutrition nutrition nutrition. Everyone is equaling out now in jui jitsu, wrestling, striking and fighting styles. People are getting well rounded and the field is evening out. So who is going to take over with everything being equal? Whats the missing link? Nutrition, cardio and being stronger than the guy across from you who has the same fighting skills you do. MMA fighters are seeking out this information for an edge. Its not being forced upon them. I was asked to go to dinner with a UFC fighter who is fighting this weekend in England (which I did)....he wanted to pick my brain on his diet and get it dialed in. This is a huge weakness in MMA fighters right now....they have everything else up to snuff and they are clueless about nutrition.
The top MMA fighters have their diets down, and know what works for them. Telling people to cut carbs from such a demanding sport is bad advice. These guys are training for endurance and strenght. You need carbs for that.
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Never said that gear wasn't used but he isn't the one that tells his athletes what to take. It's our responsibility to let them know what we are doing so the diet can be adjusted to account for it. They aren't the ones saying take this and this much. They do only the diet part of it. Not all trainers do that. I know others that will do your cycle for you but Trop does not.
Alright, got it.
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The top MMA fighters have their diets down, and know what works for them. Telling people to cut carbs from such a demanding sport is bad advice. These guys are training for endurance and strenght. You need carbs for that.
Where did you get that carbs are cut out by Trop or whoever?
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The top MMA fighters have their diets down, and know what works for them. Telling people to cut carbs from such a demanding sport is bad advice. These guys are training for endurance and strenght. You need carbs for that.
They have their diets down huh? Do you know what the drink of choice for MMA fighters is, due to not knowing any better? MuscleMilk, they take that postworkout, when they want to cut to make weight....on and on...
Do your really think Troponin Nutrition and Shelby are going to have these guys depleted during training sessions? You saw one phrase "carb cycling" and think that Shelby and Justin arent educated enough to make the right choices per training sessions?
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For the record Justin is 2-1 in his fighting career with 2 KO's on the platform.
But thats Trops story and I'll leave that for another day.
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what happened in the other fight ? ;D
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Fought a professional boxer, and left with a broken nose, never got knocked out, went the whole distance with a broken nose, but did realize why professional boxers are professional boxers and everyone else isnt.
He theorizes that someone painted EVERLAST on his back before the fight and thats why he got worked like a heavy bag
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that pro boxer was probably juicing though. fucking cheater ! susaad!!!dvbs justin would have kicked his ass
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How come you didnt ask about the 2 mind numbing knockouts he had where he left the guys thinking Reagan was president and ice cream tastes like spinach?
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"giving credit where credit is due" is not fun, dc !
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They have their diets down huh? Do you know what the drink of choice for MMA fighters is, due to not knowing any better? MuscleMilk, they take that postworkout, when they want to cut to make weight....on and on...
Do your really think Troponin Nutrition and Shelby are going to have these guys depleted during training sessions? You saw one phrase "carb cycling" and think that Shelby and Justin arent educated enough to make the right choices per training sessions?
Thanks for the clarification. So, these MMA fighters will only be "cycling carbs" for the 4 weeks out of the year when they are not training. I understand now. ::)
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Telling people to cut carbs from such a demanding sport is bad advice. These guys are training for endurance and strenght. You need carbs for that.
I don't think you have read much on our carb cycling approach.
We don't do low carb diets.
I routinely have people go up between 1,000g and 1,500g of carbs in a day.
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I don't think you have read much on our carb cycling approach.
We don't do low carb diets.
I routinely have people go up between 1,000g and 1,500g of carbs in a day.
not natural people i'm sure.
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Fought a professional boxer, and left with a broken nose, never got knocked out, went the whole distance with a broken nose, but did realize why professional boxers are professional boxers and everyone else isnt.
He theorizes that someone painted EVERLAST on his back before the fight and thats why he got worked like a heavy bag
I'm pretty sure the "no knockout" was because he enjoyed smashing my face in too much to end the fight.
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I don't think you have read much on our carb cycling approach.
We don't do low carb diets.
I routinely have people go up between 1,000g and 1,500g of carbs in a day.
Justin, I don't think these athletes (MMA fighters) are looking to become bloated. A lot of these guy's are also natural.
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they are all hormonised to some extend.
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they are all hormonised to some extend.
:D
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The top MMA fighters have their diets down, and know what works for them. Telling people to cut carbs from such a demanding sport is bad advice. These guys are training for endurance and strenght. You need carbs for that.
The majority don't.
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Justin, I don't think these athletes (MMA fighters) are looking to become bloated. A lot of these guy's are also natural.
where u from mark?
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god forbid justin trys to make money...
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Justin, I don't think these athletes (MMA fighters) are looking to become bloated. A lot of these guy's are also natural.
Let me get this straight.
Low carbs = bad
high carbs = bad
carb cycling = bad
Cheeseburger, Fries, Coke = good
Anything I've left out?
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Depends on the sport. Everyone knows fats and 'heavy' foods in general help strength. Are you going to feel stronger eating a fatty steak with fries or chicken and broccoli? I don't know shit about fighting but I know I would rather eat a crap meal before a strenuous activity than a very 'clean' meal.
sorry van...but you just hit a nerve with this one!
Gotta STRONGLY disagree with you here
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Let me get this straight.
Low carbs = bad
high carbs = bad
carb cycling = bad
Cheeseburger, Fries, Coke = good
Anything I've left out?
That's not his entire diet. Cycling carbs is not a good idea for athletes looking for endurance.
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they are all hormonised to some extend.
That Uriah Heep dude is pretty good
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That's not his entire diet. Cycling carbs is not a good idea for athletes looking for endurance.
you dont think his carb cycling will be based on demand ratheer than schedule or days of the week ??? ::)
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you dont think his carb cycling will be based on demand ratheer than schedule or days of the week ??? ::)
What's your response to this?!
My aunt went to the dentist last week...she was diagnosed with early stages of gingivitis AND has two cavities!!!
And this was all because of your advice for her NOT to brush her teeth, as she was watching her carbs... >:( >:( >:(
Now, speak on this!! >:(
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What's your response to this?!
My aunt went to the dentist last week...she was diagnosed with early stages of gingivitis AND has two cavities!!!
And this was all because of your advice for her NOT to brush her teeth, as she was watching her carbs... >:( >:( >:(
Now, speak on this!! >:(
my response if that you should read the post for yourself before you take someones word for what was said in the post. ;) because i never once advised anybody not t brush their teeth.
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Justin, watch this video on Lesner and his training. He's new to this sport.
Part 1
Part 2
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I sponsor fighters out of the North County Fight Club, the very first thing these guys were asking me about in meetings was nutrition nutrition nutrition. Everyone is equaling out now in jui jitsu, wrestling, striking and fighting styles. People are getting well rounded and the field is evening out. So who is going to take over with everything being equal? Whats the missing link? Nutrition, cardio and being stronger than the guy across from you who has the same fighting skills you do. MMA fighters are seeking out this information for an edge. Its not being forced upon them. I was asked to go to dinner with a UFC fighter who is fighting this weekend in England (which I did)....he wanted to pick my brain on his diet and get it dialed in. This is a huge weakness in MMA fighters right now....they have everything else up to snuff and they are clueless about nutrition. One of the King of the Cage champions is calling me to get his diet dialed in and Justin Harris and I planned previously to make the rounds to his camp when Justin is back out here and we are going to get those guys straightened out. You better get on the boat soon Mark Kerr because the athletes around you are doing everything in their power to turn into machines and they are covering all the bases.
Please dont tell me you put him on the BigMac (minus the buns) diet ... and God forbid please dont tell me your training any fighters..
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What is wrong with them working with athletes?
Justin knows a LOT about nutrition and training. He is someone who could definitely help an MMA athlete.
I have worked with a few myself. I would like to work with more in the future.
Chris
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Because training athletes is almost a complete 360 from training bber's.
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Please dont tell me you put him on the BigMac (minus the buns) diet ... and God forbid please dont tell me your training any fighters..
Please dont tell me that you think you might actually matter?
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they are all hormonised to some extend.
Beautiful.
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Please dont tell me that you think you might actually matter?
LOL well now that you mention it, Im not a "special guest" (nice touch BTW) :D like you dogcrap!
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I'm pretty sure the "no knockout" was because he enjoyed smashing my face in too much to end the fight.
ahhahahaaha...you kill me. Love the attitude justin, keep on moving forward.
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I understand this "fighting stuff" is way more popular than bodybuilding anyway - so a good move on your part Justin, branching out. Best of luck.
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I understand this "fighting stuff" is way more popular than bodybuilding anyway - so a good move on your part Justin, branching out. Best of luck.
gayer than the most logical post on this thread
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Mark Kerr = severely owned.
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Because training athletes is almost a complete 360 from training bber's.
And what makes you think he doesn't know how to train athletes? Just because he's mostly worked with bodybuilders doesn't mean he doesn't know how to train athletes from other sports. He is a former college football player so it isn't like he's only been a bodybuilder all his life. He's a very smart guy so I'm sure he knows how to train all kinds of athletes.
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And what makes you think he doesn't know how to train athletes? Just because he's mostly worked with bodybuilders doesn't mean he doesn't know how to train athletes from other sports. He is a former college football player so it isn't like he's only been a bodybuilder all his life. He's a very smart guy so I'm sure he knows how to train all kinds of athletes.
settle down, sally....
when did the coach ever say that about troponin? ::)
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Mark Kerr = severely owned.
Yeah right. ::)
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Yeah right. ::)
Yes.
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Yes.
Don't even get me started with you. ::)
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Don't even get me started with you. ::)
Start now if you want. Debussey = waiting in exitement :-*
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Mark Kerr is one of the dumbest queefs on this board.
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Because training athletes is almost a complete 360 from training bber's.
Coach, unless you want to tell me your credentials I am forced to ask you what do you know about training anyone?
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Mark Kerr is one of the dumbest queefs on this board.
I remember you. ;D
You're an easy target. Hahaha
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Coach, unless you want to tell me your credentials I am forced to ask you what do you know about training anyone?
What credentials would you like? I train athletes (real athletes) for a living. Have for the past 15-20 years. I'll add more, I have a client.
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What athletes would those be? What have their achieved via your training?
My point is that you seem quick to make judgement about someone else.
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Why is everyone making "coach" out as the scape goat to this thread?! He didn't start it, and nothing he's posted is WRONG nor does it contradict anything Troponin has on his website ::)
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I sponsor fighters out of the North County Fight Club, the very first thing these guys were asking me about in meetings was nutrition nutrition nutrition. Everyone is equaling out now in jui jitsu, wrestling, striking and fighting styles. People are getting well rounded and the field is evening out. So who is going to take over with everything being equal? Whats the missing link? Nutrition, cardio and being stronger than the guy across from you who has the same fighting skills you do. MMA fighters are seeking out this information for an edge. Its not being forced upon them. I was asked to go to dinner with a UFC fighter who is fighting this weekend in England (which I did)....he wanted to pick my brain on his diet and get it dialed in. This is a huge weakness in MMA fighters right now....they have everything else up to snuff and they are clueless about nutrition. One of the King of the Cage champions is calling me to get his diet dialed in and Justin Harris and I planned previously to make the rounds to his camp when Justin is back out here and we are going to get those guys straightened out. You better get on the boat soon Mark Kerr because the athletes around you are doing everything in their power to turn into machines and they are covering all the bases.
why would anyone, let alone a top athlete from the UFC ask you for nutritional advice? you have never been in shape, every pic of you i've seen you are well over 25% body fat, and holding more water than the titanic.
let me guess, did you tell him he needs to eat 600g of protein a day, and that you just so happen to know where he can get some really cheap - www.trueprotein.com but since you like him you told him to use the secret promo code 'anothersucker'.
or did you tell him to rinse his minced beef ::)
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why would anyone, let alone a top athlete from the UFC ask you for nutritional advice? you have never been in shape, every pic of you i've seen you are well over 25% body fat, and holding more water than the titanic.
let me guess, did you tell him he needs to eat 600g of protein a day, and that you just so happen to know where he can get some really cheap - www.trueprotein.com but since you like him you told him to use the secret promo code 'anothersucker'.
or did you tell him to rinse his minced beef ::)
Says the guy who asked me to train him 4 years ago, who I refused because he isnt the type of person I would ever train and has been royally pissed off ever since. (Oh did you think I didnt know who you were?)
As far as myself Ive been 20%, 16%, 10% and 6% but most of the time I stay just around 283lbs offseason big and happy. Or I could be like you and lift for a decade to wind up at 6 foot tall at 163 pounds....awesome gains there bro....one more decade and you might be a robust strapping 170.
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What athletes would those be? What have their achieved via your training?
My point is that you seem quick to make judgement about someone else.
What am I judging? I said that training athletes isn't close to training bodybuilders. This isn't speculation, it's fact. I didn't enter this thread to get into a pissing match with anyone.
At the moment I have 3 active athletes in the MLB, one with Boston, one with Minnesota and one with Toronto. 6 players from the Long Beach St. Dirtbags (baseball) 4 from Long Beach St. women's softball. I have 2 athletes that just got done with the NFL combine's in Indy. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's full time sparring partner and after July 5th will also have Jackson himself and many more from high school through college levels (D1). I also have alot from the general public.
Past athletes include Mark McGuire, Ryan Leaf, Dennis Rodman, Tank Abbot and many moons ago Tito Ortiz.
Strength coaches I have worked with include, Mike Boyle, Joe DeFranco, Juan Carlos Santana,Alwyn Cosgrove and John Berardi (we're having dinner next Friday night (He's here for the Perform Better Summit in Long Beach) and Bob Ward.
Again Chris, I train athletes for a living. I did not by anymeans judge anyone. I just questioned somethings.
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Strength coaches I have worked with include, Mike Boyle, Joe DeFranco, Juan Carlos Santana,Alwyn Cosgrove and John Berardi (we're having dinner next Friday night (He's here for the Perform Better Summit in Long Beach) and Bob Ward.
sounds like you've got some major ties with the NASM crew....they're just raking in the cash aren't they ;D ;)
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why would anyone, let alone a top athlete from the UFC ask you for nutritional advice? you have never been in shape, every pic of you i've seen you are well over 25% body fat, and holding more water than the titanic.
let me guess, did you tell him he needs to eat 600g of protein a day, and that you just so happen to know where he can get some really cheap - www.trueprotein.com but since you like him you told him to use the secret promo code 'anothersucker'.
or did you tell him to rinse his minced beef ::)
Please, show a picture of yourself since you think Dante is fat and all.
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sounds like you've got some major ties with the NASM crew....they're just raking in the cash aren't they ;D ;)
All are CSCS and much more.
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All are CSCS and much more.
Oh I'm sure they are...
I was ONLY referring to their "cash raking" abilities ;)
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Says the guy who asked me to train him 4 years ago, who I refused because he isnt the type of person I would ever train and has been royally pissed off ever since. (Oh did you think I didnt know who you were?)
As far as myself Ive been 20%, 16%, 10% and 6% but most of the time I stay just around 283lbs offseason big and happy. Or I could be like you and lift for a decade to wind up at 6 foot tall at 163 pounds....awesome gains there bro....one more decade and you might be a robust strapping 170.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha obviously i've been caught. i tried to hide it, but your right i have secretly been ploting revenge on you for refusing to train me 4 years ago ::)
epic lies about your bodyfat, please post a pic of you at 6% bf, just 1. hahahahaha you can't.
you have always had some excuse for never coming in ripped for shows you claimed you were going to do, i.e. i'm too busy at work, i've got some personal shit to deal with, my dog died, blah blah blah.
the truth is you are a greedy slob, who burnt out due to excessivly high dosages of aas - live with it.
Please, show a picture of yourself since you think Dante is fat and all.
hahaha how remarkable - it never fails to amaze me that theres always some diehard trueprotein/doggcrapp commando ready to defend their fearless leader. ::)
wheres your pics 'bigguns' ::) i have better things to do that post pics of myself on a 50% gay bb board. ::) and can happily live with that decision, can you?
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha obviously i've been caught. i tried to hide it, but your right i have secretly been ploting revenge on you for refusing to train me 4 years ago ::)
epic lies about your bodyfat, please post a pic of you at 6% bf, just 1. hahahahaha you can't.
you have always had some excuse for never coming in ripped for shows you claimed you were going to do, i.e. i'm too busy at work, i've got some personal shit to deal with, my dog died, blah blah blah.
the truth is you are a greedy slob, who burnt out due to excessivly high dosages of aas - live with it.
hahaha how remarkable - it never fails to amaze me that theres always some diehard trueprotein/doggcrapp commando ready to defend their fearless leader. ::)
wheres your pics 'bigguns' ::) i have better things to do that post pics of myself on a 50% gay bb board. ::) and can happily live with that decision, can you?
Yes I can. :)
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha obviously i've been caught. i tried to hide it, but your right i have secretly been ploting revenge on you for refusing to train me 4 years ago ::)
epic lies about your bodyfat, please post a pic of you at 6% bf, just 1. hahahahaha you can't.
you have always had some excuse for never coming in ripped for shows you claimed you were going to do, i.e. i'm too busy at work, i've got some personal shit to deal with, my dog died, blah blah blah.
the truth is you are a greedy slob, who burnt out due to excessivly high dosages of aas - live with it.
hahaha how remarkable - it never fails to amaze me that theres always some diehard trueprotein/doggcrapp commando ready to defend their fearless leader. ::)
wheres your pics 'bigguns' ::) i have better things to do that post pics of myself on a 50% gay bb board. ::) and can happily live with that decision, can you?
Never thought I'd say this but here goes EPIC MELTDOWN!
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Never thought I'd say this but here goes EPIC MELTDOWN!
hahahahaha ok 'buff' remember to order your protein using the promo code 'danteismygod'. ::)
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Wow man your like beyond angry.....its allright bro, deep breathes, relax, put your feet up and think happy thoughts.....I rejected alot of people who wanted me to train them, probably 75% of the people who contacted me....you just didnt make the cut. Look at your posts....im pretty good at weeding out who is an athlete and who is just an angry, unsatisfied bitter individual......you are the latter if you didnt figure that one out. Use google, there has to be some kind of person in your area you can talk to.....to overcome these issues you have.
For the time being, heres a song to cheer you up and bring a little sunshine into that desolate existence
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Wow man your like beyond angry.....its allright bro, deep breathes, relax, put your feet up and think happy thoughts.....I rejected alot of people who wanted me to train them, probably 75% of the people who contacted me....you just didnt make the cut. Look at your posts....im pretty good at weeding out who is an athlete and who is just an angry, unsatisfied bitter individual......you are the latter if you didnt figure that one out. Use google, there has to be some kind of person in your area you can talk to.....to overcome these issues you have.
For the time being, heres a song to cheer you up and bring a little sunshine into that desolate existence
thanks dante. Now i understand why these peopple worship you ::)
you should be walking on sunshine - you got internet notoriety for stealing others workout ideas, and claiming them as your own, then recommending mega protein levels, while just so hapening to start a protein powder company.
now years later you have devotees everywhere al preaching the bibe of dante ::)
good job bro :(
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you dont get it bro....its not worship....its simply this. Im a good guy. I treat good positive people in this sport with respect, give away alot of supplements for free and try to be fair to everyone. If you havent noticed, Im friends with alot of people in the sport who are known as "good guys"...birds of a feather......People recognize that and reciprocate. People like you who worship a bottle of alcohol as a god figure, having nothing good to say about anything or anyone, and carry your bitterness of real life failure onto a bodybuilding board to make yourself feel (somewhat better about yourself) I treat with disdain.
Nobody likes to be around the guy/girl who bitches and complains about everything 24/7...figure it out.
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why would anyone, let alone a top athlete from the UFC ask you for nutritional advice? you have never been in shape, every pic of you i've seen you are well over 25% body fat, and holding more water than the titanic.
let me guess, did you tell him he needs to eat 600g of protein a day, and that you just so happen to know where he can get some really cheap - www.trueprotein.com but since you like him you told him to use the secret promo code 'anothersucker'.
or did you tell him to rinse his minced beef ::)
Unless someone is REALLY HUGE, he should not argue with Dante about his technique.
if you look at his trainees and himself, it looks like it works very well since they all put on incredible amount of muscle mass in a short time
that would be like me, telling tiger wood how to train to be a better golfer when I don't play golf
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you dont get it bro....its not worship....its simply this. Im a good guy. I treat good positive people in this sport with respect, give away alot of supplements for free and try to be fair to everyone. If you havent noticed, Im friends with alot of people in the sport who are known as "good guys"...birds of a feather......People recognize that and reciprocate. People like you who worship a bottle of alcohol as a god figure, having nothing good to say about anything or anyone, and carry your bitterness of real life failure onto a bodybuilding board to make yourself feel (somewhat better about yourself) I treat with disdain.
Nobody likes to be around the guy/girl who bitches and complains about everything 24/7...figure it out.
hahahahaha now i'm an alcoholic because i dont use or believe in doggcrapp :o shocking ! dante your clutching at straws here, it's clear you don't like any questions regarding your system/advice or beliefs. Thats fine, but don't expect me or anyone else to just sit quietly as you peddle your protein and claim naturals and users alike need 600g of protein.
I believe your training is a copy of others mostly metzer/jones/westside, nd i believe your stretching and nutrition to be a copy of parillo's. get over it. :-*Unless someone is REALLY HUGE, he should not argue with Dante about his technique.
if you look at his trainees and himself, it looks like it works very well since they all put on incredible amount of muscle mass in a short time
that would be like me, telling tiger wood how to train to be a better golfer when I don't play golf
no its like me telling a muppet like yourself to re-read what i said. i said why would anyone ask dante for nutrition advice when its clear he eats far too much. you disagree? does dante disagree? then feel free to post a pic and own me? i can post plenty of him full of gear and bloated, but none of his below 10%
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wow.
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hahahahaha now i'm an alcoholic because i dont use or believe in doggcrapp :o shocking ! dante your clutching at straws here, it's clear you don't like any questions regarding your system/advice or beliefs. Thats fine, but don't expect me or anyone else to just sit quietly as you peddle your protein and claim naturals and users alike need 600g of protein.
I believe your training is a copy of others mostly metzer/jones/westside, nd i believe your stretching and nutrition to be a copy of parillo's. get over it. :-*
no its like me telling a muppet like yourself to re-read what i said. i said why would anyone ask dante for nutrition advice when its clear he eats far too much. you disagree? does dante disagree? then feel free to post a pic and own me? i can post plenty of him full of gear and bloated, but none of his below 10%
Questions on my system? its been around since 1992, what possible questions could there be with it. It works extremely well for multiple of thousands of people....how many pictures and posts by various people and trainees have there been on the net now in the last 8 years? 5000? If it didnt work it would dissapear. Do you see me on any board but Intensemuscle pushing it? Ive asked it to be taken down multiple boards because Im just sick of answering questions. Its beyond my control...people tell other people about it because it works well. I hope you have a whole bunch of pics of me....since my hard drive blew up last year, and two professional recoveries didnt do anything..... and ive lost just about every single picture Ive taken in the last 6 years, including my wedding photos with my wife, pictures of my family, trips to hawai, and florida, irreplaceable pics of my mom and dad and nieces....do you think you can send me some from that Dante file youve been keeping?
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dante do you offer financing on bulk protein purchases ? :D
...seriously though
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dante do you offer financing on bulk protein purchases ? :D
...seriously though
I wish i could Candid...if i had to do it all over again---I would of never gotten into protein sales....there is no margin....its too heavy to ship and you just dont make money on it. Want to get rich in the supplement industry? Make a 100 capsule product, sell it for 29.95-39.95 like all these companies do....because it costs about $3.50 to make that product (if that)......I use to actually lose money selling protein to certain parts of canada because i pay all duty/border charges but I just took it because I couldnt charge Eastern Canada more money....than the rest of Canada.
For you Candid...because i feel bad and im an equal opportunity business owner and I was going to put extra stuff in Alex's box anyway, I feel i owe you.....Ill do this because of that fighting thread with Alex....IM fair all the way around.....Ill send you 5 pounds of protein for free, any kind of protein you want, any flavor you want...and ill throw in a shaker cup for you.....(just for you only)....just email me at Dante@trueprotein.com and let me know what you want and where to send it and Ill take care of it on monday. Because ill do it for Alex ill do it for you because I want to be fair.
To your original question if you use "Dogg" in the discount code box you get 5% off your order, and if you order over 15lbs you get another 5% off your order...so that is 10% off
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Dante i love you. :)
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since my hard drive blew up last year, and two professional recoveries didnt do anything..... and ive lost just about every single picture Ive taken in the last 6 years, including my wedding photos with my wife, pictures of my family, trips to hawai, and florida, irreplaceable pics of my mom and dad and nieces....do you think you can send me some from that Dante file youve been keeping?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha how convenient ::)
I wish i could Candid...if i had to do it all over again---I would of never gotten into protein sales....there is no margin....its too heavy to ship and you just dont make money on it. Want to get rich in the supplement industry? Make a 100 capsule product, sell it for 29.95-39.95 like all these companies do....because it costs about $3.50 to make that product (if that)......I use to actually lose money selling protein to certain parts of canada because i pay all duty/border charges but I just took it because I couldnt charge Eastern Canada more money....than the rest of Canada.
For you Candid...because i feel bad and im an equal opportunity business owner and I was going to put extra stuff in Alex's box anyway, I feel i owe you.....Ill do this because of that fighting thread with Alex....IM fair all the way around.....Ill send you 5 pounds of protein for free, any kind of protein you want, any flavor you want...and ill throw in a shaker cup for you.....(just for you only)....just email me at Dante@trueprotein.com and let me know what you want and where to send it and Ill take care of it on monday. Because ill do it for Alex ill do it for you because I want to be fair.
To your original question if you use "Dogg" in the discount code box you get 5% off your order, and if you order over 15lbs you get another 5% off your order...so that is 10% off
translation = I've milked everyone on intensemuscle dry, now i need new customers to bleed. I'll offer you some for free to hook you then.......... BOOM your mine.
Dante, seriously nice touch. your kindness knows no bounds, if only you were so kind to me when as a youngling i asked the great Dante one small question, only to be attacked by yourself and 20 or so Dante disciples. I've never recovered as you can see :'(
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If i truly did that and was an ass to you when you asked a question on Intensemuscle, then I am man enough to apoligize to you. I dont know if i was having a bad day or why i was short tempered, but there should be no excuse for it....and if I responded to you like that with a question you asked on IM....then again I apoligize to you
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....how many pictures and posts by various people and trainees have there been on the net now in the last 8 years? 5000?
I'm curious about something. How many DC trainees would you say are doing it 'correctly'? How many of these are at the advanced level that you have talked about, where you should be before doing this type of routine?
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I'm curious about something. How many DC trainers would you say are doing it 'correctly'? How many of these are at the advanced level that you have talked about, where you should be before doing this type of routine?
Anybody who has been trained DIRECTLY by Dante have done it correctly I am sure.
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If i truly did that and was an ass to you when you asked a question on Intensemuscle, then I am man enough to apoligize to you. I dont know if i was having a bad day or why i was short tempered, but there should be no excuse for it....and if I responded to you like that with a question you asked on IM....then again I apoligize to you
fair enough, thanks. :-*
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Anybody who has been trained DIRECTLY by Dante have done it correctly I am sure.
I'm talking about all the people doing it on the net, the 5000 people. I doubt Dante trained 5000.
Even then, training someone through email might be tricky, you don't see the workouts most of the time. Things like rep tempo, form, exertion level, etc, are hard things to change in advanced trainees from what I've seen. It has a lot to do with temperament even. Imagine trying to train Paul Dillet DC style.
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van, this is a good question, and one i have asked myself.
i believe that there is a universal law for building muscle, and totally reject any notion that one must be at a certain level before you can apply dc for full effectiveness. if it works it should work on all regardless of level of training i.e.old, young, new, male,female.
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van, this is a good question, and one i have asked myself.
i believe that there is a universal law for building muscle, and totally reject any notion that one must be at a certain level before you can apply dc for full effectiveness. if it works it should work on all regardless of level of training i.e.old, young, new, male,female.
Well I do believe it takes time to learn to exert yourself to the max. Some never seem to learn... would you agree that you've seen people who claim to train very hard but don't really? How you train does influence how much volume you can/should do and if you can really benefit from a certain system.
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Well I do believe it takes time to learn to exert yourself to the max. Some never seem to learn... would you agree that you've seen people who claim to train very hard but don't really? How you train does influence how much volume you can/should do and if you can really benefit from a certain system.
I'd say the majority of lifters haven't learned to reach that threshold...
Dorian has, and even though Ronnie trained hard and was much stronger, I don't think Ronnie ever did either
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Well I do believe it takes time to learn to exert yourself to the max. Some never seem to learn... would you agree that you've seen people who claim to train very hard but don't really? How you train does influence how much volume you can/should do and if you can really benefit from a certain system.
i agree, perhaps thats also what dante meant, i.e. that a trainee must be at the right level mentally and physically training/nutrition wise, i.e. know himself rather than just have been training for an abstract no. of years, and thinks he knows himself.
it took several burn outs/injuries/and layoffs before i now 'know myself' and even now i'm still learning everyday 8)
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I wish i could Candid...if i had to do it all over again---I would of never gotten into protein sales....there is no margin....its too heavy to ship and you just dont make money on it. Want to get rich in the supplement industry? Make a 100 capsule product, sell it for 29.95-39.95 like all these companies do....because it costs about $3.50 to make that product (if that)......I use to actually lose money selling protein to certain parts of canada because i pay all duty/border charges but I just took it because I couldnt charge Eastern Canada more money....than the rest of Canada.
For you Candid...because i feel bad and im an equal opportunity business owner and I was going to put extra stuff in Alex's box anyway, I feel i owe you.....Ill do this because of that fighting thread with Alex....IM fair all the way around.....Ill send you 5 pounds of protein for free, any kind of protein you want, any flavor you want...and ill throw in a shaker cup for you.....(just for you only)....just email me at Dante@trueprotein.com and let me know what you want and where to send it and Ill take care of it on monday. Because ill do it for Alex ill do it for you because I want to be fair.
To your original question if you use "Dogg" in the discount code box you get 5% off your order, and if you order over 15lbs you get another 5% off your order...so that is 10% off
Lol, you're not lying about the protein! A tough market, and one which has gotten a lot tougher in the last year or so...
Chris
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I don't think Ronnie ever did either
ooohhhh i strongly disagree :-\
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ooohhhh i strongly disagree :-\
really?
Based on his videos, he never really went to failure AND THEN beyond with forced reps or anything.
When he did his max set of squats in the squat suit he only did two and then commented that it was lighter than he thought it was going to be...
when he did the 200's on flat DB, he did 12, when he could've easily pushed out 3-5 more!! Most of his lifts in his videos he stops with enough gas to do at least a few more.
Yeah, he was strong as hell, and trained HARD AS HELL...but you can't compare him to others, just saying he never pushed the envelope in terms of failure.
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They have their diets down huh? Do you know what the drink of choice for MMA fighters is, due to not knowing any better? MuscleMilk, they take that postworkout, when they want to cut to make weight....on and on...
Do your really think Troponin Nutrition and Shelby are going to have these guys depleted during training sessions? You saw one phrase "carb cycling" and think that Shelby and Justin arent educated enough to make the right choices per training sessions?
Depends on their background. If they came from a wrestling background and wrestled throughout high school and was a D-1 wrestler in college you can be sure they know diet and nutrition. By the time they get out of college they have spent years making weight and can dial in the number within ounces. Dropping weight while keeping strength is second nature to a seasoned wrestler.
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Depends on their background. If they came from a wrestling background and wrestled throughout high school and was a D-1 wrestler in college you can be sure they know diet and nutrition. By the time they get out of college they have spent years making weight and can dial in the number within ounces. Dropping weight while keeping strength is second nature to a seasoned wrestler.
I've ALWAYS felt that any athlete in any sport who did not follow their nutrition or capitalize on their diet was cutting their progress short and I questioned their seriousness as a DEDICATED ATHLETE
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really?
Based on his videos, he never really went to failure AND THEN beyond with forced reps or anything.
When he did his max set of squats in the squat suit he only did two and then commented that it was lighter than he thought it was going to be...
when he did the 200's on flat DB, he did 12, when he could've easily pushed out 3-5 more!! Most of his lifts in his videos he stops with enough gas to do at least a few more.
Yeah, he was strong as hell, and trained HARD AS HELL...but you can't compare him to others, just saying he never pushed the envelope in terms of failure.
wheres the logic in pushing past failure when you fail at 2 reps in the deadlift?
thats why dorian tore muscles. ::)
also who's to say dropsets and other beyond failure sets do anything more to stimulate a muscle than straight to failure, or stopping a few short? studies show benefits of leavig a rep in the tank.
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I'm talking about all the people doing it on the net, the 5000 people. I doubt Dante trained 5000.
Even then, training someone through email might be tricky, you don't see the workouts most of the time. Things like rep tempo, form, exertion level, etc, are hard things to change in advanced trainees from what I've seen. It has a lot to do with temperament even. Imagine trying to train Paul Dillet DC style.
True.
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wheres the logic in pushing past failure when you fail at 2 reps in the deadlift?
thats why dorian tore muscles. ::)
also who's to say dropsets and other beyond failure sets do anything more to stimulate a muscle than straight to failure, or stopping a few short? studies show benefits of leavig a rep in the tank.
No worries...and I agree about Dorian's injuries.
I wasn't addressing the effectiveness of said training style, I was merely addressing van's post about "exerting yourself to the max", which would have consequences such as torn muscles.
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No worries...and I agree about Dorian's injuries.
I wasn't addressing the effectiveness of said training style, I was merely addressing van's post about "exerting yourself to the max", which would have consequences such as torn muscles.
i dont think dorian ever displayed the kind of exersion ronnie displayed deadlifting 800lbs, but on every other movement i know what you mean, he did push past failure, etc
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No worries...and I agree about Dorian's injuries.
I wasn't addressing the effectiveness of said training style, I was merely addressing van's post about "exerting yourself to the max", which would have consequences such as torn muscles.
Had Dorian trained like Ronnie he wouldn't ever have gotten to the pro level. He would have broken down way before that. :D
Ronnie = monster injury resistance
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Also, we will teach you how to make your weight through water depletion so you will have no energy or cardio for your fight. ::)
Youre an idiot. How else is weight manipulated pre fight? KILL YOURSELF.
Jason
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He's trying to keep his weight and strength up, not lose it. I think Lesner knows a little more about nutrition than you. Again, these fighters train much differently than bodybuilders.
And just how do you think a middle weight fighter weighs in right at weight but can be 15 pounds heavier the next day???Are you suggesting that this doesn't happen?
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All are CSCS and much more.
CSCS is almost a nothing certification. It is hard to get, yes, but some of the worst trainers I HAVE EVER SEEN have a CSCS after their name. The fact it requires a bachelors degree is part of the difficulty in attaining it. My apologies to anyone with a CSCS who isnt a complete idiot.
Jason
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha how convenient ::)
translation = I've milked everyone on intensemuscle dry, now i need new customers to bleed. I'll offer you some for free to hook you then.......... BOOM your mine.
Dante, seriously nice touch. your kindness knows no bounds, if only you were so kind to me when as a youngling i asked the great Dante one small question, only to be attacked by yourself and 20 or so Dante disciples. I've never recovered as you can see :'(
I remember you now.
Jason
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Youre an idiot. How else is weight manipulated pre fight? KILL YOURSELF.
Jason
You know nothing about MMA.
STFU
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CSCS is almost a nothing certification. It is hard to get, yes, but some of the worst trainers I HAVE EVER SEEN have a CSCS after their name. The fact it requires a bachelors degree is part of the difficulty in attaining it. My apologies to anyone with a CSCS who isnt a complete idiot.
Jason
There's a big difference between someone who can read and study a book compared to actually being able to put that knowledge to use properly.
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You know nothing about MMA.
STFU
ahahahahahahahaha so answer the question if its not water manipulation, how is so much weight dropped pre fight? And why is the sauna used? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Jason
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There's a big difference between someone who can read and study a book compared to actually being able to put that knowledge to use properly.
Exactly. That is why I included the apology for lumping lots of guys (and girls) together. Much like everything else in life, a few bad seeds ruin it for everyone.
Jason
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I remember you now.
Jason
fond memories are they?
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ahahahahahahahaha so answer the question if its not water manipulation, how is so much weight dropped pre fight? And why is the sauna used? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Jason
They change their diet. The majority of MMA fighters weight doesn't fluctuate that much. The are not bodybuilders.
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They change their diet. The majority of MMA fighters weight doesn't fluctuate that much. The are not bodybuilders.
Surely youre kidding. Or are you speaking of guys fighting in "baddest dude in town" fights own at the county fairgrounds? Those would be about the ONLY assclowns that dont cut weight prefight. Your lack of knowledge onn the sport is appaling.
Jason
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They change their diet. The majority of MMA fighters weight doesn't fluctuate that much. The are not bodybuilders.
Mark, you should really stop here. "Change their diet" to make weight? That's silliness. They drop water.
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Surely youre kidding. Or are you speaking of guys fighting in "baddest dude in town" fights own at the county fairgrounds? Those would be about the ONLY assclowns that dont cut weight prefight. Your lack of knowledge onn the sport is appaling.
Jason
Ok. ::)
Go do some research on the sport and then come back to make your argument. I'm talking about current fighters. Not the fighters of the 90's when they didn't do drug testing. You know absolutely nothing about this sport.
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Mark, you should really stop here. "Change their diet" to make weight? That's silliness. They drop water.
A lot of these fighters stay the same weight year around.
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Ok. ::)
Go do some research on the sport and then come back to make your argument. I'm talking about current fighters. Not the fighters of the 90's when they didn't do drug testing. You know absolutely nothing about this sport.
MMA is not a sport. A joke.
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as i watched sean"muscle shark"sherk get beaten by BJ "chocolate chip cookie" Penn
i realized in MMA geting ripped, conditioning, muscles, carbing up, etc isn't that important as long as you have decent amount of muscle. just my opinion guys :D