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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on June 10, 2008, 06:08:55 PM
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ok, i can get deca 300 and test 300. now, keep in mind there are the real deal, human grade. I bet a cycle of deca 300 and test 300 for 10 weeks is a decent cycle, probably equivilent to deca 600 and test 600 of UG shit. thoughts?
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I'd probably run the test a little higher, maybe 1.5cc's and the deca at that rate is fine. I'd also run HCG on cycle as well, 250-500ius 2x a week (1st shot should be 2 days before your first test injection of the week, 2nd shot should be 1 day before second test injection).
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Should be fine and you should notice some good changes. Like said, you may need to bump up the test slightly, then again maybe not.
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Should be fine and you should notice some good changes. Like said, you may need to bump up the test slightly, then again maybe not.
Yup. I like to err on the side of caution with new users to deca. Deca dick can be pretty damn frustrating.
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how does clomid rank to HCG?
also, HCG is expensive with a script, it is not considered illegal to have without is it?
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how does clomid rank to HCG?
also, HCG is expensive with a script, it is not considered illegal to have without is it?
Anything prescription based is illegal to have without a script. HCG and clomid are two totally different things. Read the stickies, there's some good HCG information there as it's been discussed quite a bit already.
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I know its illegal, it was my fault asking it in that way.
However, i do not feel it is a schedule III substance, so the fine would be along the lines of possesing your brothers antibiotics. I believe this is correct, however, I may be wrong.
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I know its illegal, it was my fault asking it in that way.
However, i do not feel it is a schedule III substance, so the fine would be along the lines of possesing your brothers antibiotics. I believe this is correct, however, I may be wrong.
Right, sorry I misunderstood what you were asking. I've never heard of anyone getting busted for HCG. If you have a script for it for HRT then I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think a judge is going to really care too much, but that may depend on the town you live in and how bored the judge is.
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Do your first cycle and then ask your doc if you can bump the test up to every 4-5 days. Mine lets me do 250 mg twice a week, but I choose to only do it every five days. I just don't need much for what I want to accomplish.
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ok, another question,
say i throw in some tbol 50 mg x 8 weeks, i bet that would be good with deca 300 and test 300
also, say you have a script for deca/test and possess tbol, how much on a charge (?felony) would that be if any?
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ok, another question,
say i throw in some tbol 50 mg x 8 weeks, i bet that would be good with deca 300 and test 300
also, say you have a script for deca/test and possess tbol, how much on a charge (?felony) would that be if any?
I forget, have you juiced previously? If not, there is no need to cycle 3 different steroids, especially when you are worried about different sides.
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juice free since 01
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possession of tbol would be a problem if you were to get caught.
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possession of tbol would be a problem if you were to get caught.
The question is, why would you be driving around with it in the first place? Just keep it at home. Or better yet, buy some vitamins and put it in the bottle.
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just found out anavar is 600 bucks! what about deca 600 (human grade) plus 50mg tbol daily? good cycle?
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just found out anavar is 600 bucks! what about deca 600 (human grade) plus 50mg tbol daily? good cycle?
Test is needed in the cycle.
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ok, forget tbol and anavar,
i am a wimp about test, i know, make fun all you want. this is my first go round, so i want only a small cycle for first. basically, i am going to do human grade deca 300 and test 200. i know, its small, but its real. do I still need an anti-estrogen and HCG on such a small cycle?
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ok, forget tbol and anavar,
i am a wimp about test, i know, make fun all you want. this is my first go round, so i want only a small cycle for first. basically, i am going to do human grade deca 300 and test 200. i know, its small, but its real. do I still need an anti-estrogen and HCG on such a small cycle?
I'd at least run HCG and have the AI on hand just in case. I dunno about running deca higher than the test, but I guess you'll find out if you are prone to deca dick =)
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ok, arimidex 1 mg EOD is what I read from Dave Palumbo, right?
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Not on only 200/wk imo. .5mg e3d will probably do the job. Depends how prone you are to aromatization I guess.
I don't know about caber. Do some research.
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what is caber?
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what is caber?
Cabergoline/Cabaser/Dostinex. Reduces progestine which is what deca increases. Progrestine is also released when a male orgasms, which is why most men can't become errect again for a while until the progestine is cleared. That's what deca dick is, constant inability to get errect due to elevated progestine levels. Caber keeps that in check.
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i am taken your advice and adding test, so hopefully all is well.
anyway, if that happens (deca-dick), at least i will be able to get some shit done for 2 months! lol.
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Cabergoline/Cabaser/Dostinex. Reduces progestine which is what deca increases. Progrestine is also released when a male orgasms, which is why most men can't become errect again for a while until the progestine is cleared. That's what deca dick is, constant inability to get errect due to elevated progestine levels. Caber keeps that in check.
Do you have any data showing that Deca increases progesterone (I guess this is what you meant?) and/or prolactin? Deca is a progestin but I never heard it increases it. Never saw any data that Deca or Tren increased prolactin either as is usually claimed.
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Do you have any data showing that Deca increases progesterone (I guess this is what you meant?) and/or prolactin? Deca is a progestin but I never heard it increases it. Never saw any data that Deca or Tren increased prolactin either as is usually claimed.
Sorry, I mis-stated that, it increases prolactin, not progesterone. It's pretty well known that progestines in general increase prolactin. Since I haven't seen any studies done directly with Nandrolone itself the assumption that it would act as other progestines in the case of raising prolactin levels could be safely assumed. Especially since treatment of Dostinex relieves issues of deca dick.
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It's pretty well known that progestines in general increase prolactin.
Yeah well I looked at this a while back and couldn't find any data showing this, IIRC Deca might actually lower prolactin. Androgens lower prolactin while estrogens increase it and we know Deca only aromatizes minimally. This is what Nandi/Karl Hoffman said and he was nearly always right.
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Yeah well I looked at this a while back and couldn't find any data showing this, IIRC Deca might actually lower prolactin. Androgens lower prolactin while estrogens increase it and we know Deca only aromatizes minimally. This is what Nandi/Karl Hoffman said and he was nearly always right.
Did a quick search and here's what he says:
I don't have a definitive answer to your question about progestins and prolactin, neurotic. In rat studies progestins almost universally lower prolactin. This makes sense because estrogen elevates prolactin, progestins shut down the HPTA, and this results in lowered estrogens and hence lowered prolactin.
When estrogen is given to postmenopausal women, prolactin rises; no surprise. When a progestin is added, prolactin falls (1). This all makes sense. But what about in men?
One case study showed a large increase in prolactin (2). Another study in cancer patients showed no effect (3). Yet another cancer study showed an increase in prolactin despite a drop in estrogen (4).
(1) Maturitas. 1994 Dec;20(2-3):145-50.
Antagonism of oestrogen-induced prolactin release by medroxyprogesterone acetate.
Castelo-Branco C, Palacios S, Martinez de Osaba MJ, Balasch J, Fortuny A, Vanrell J.
(2) Arch Sex Behav. 1990 Aug;19(4):361-72.
Medroxyprogesterone acetate, nocturnal penile tumescence, laboratory arousal, and sexual acting out in a male with schizophrenia.
Cooper AJ, Losztyn S, Russell NC, Cernovsky Z.
(3) Br J Urol. 1990 Mar;65(3):278-81.
Effect of high-dose medroxyprogesterone acetate on plasma hormone levels and pain relief in patients with advanced prostatic cancer.
Sasagawa I, Satomi S.
(4) Scand J Urol Nephrol. 1988;22(1):15-8.
Hormonal effects of high dose medroxyprogesterone acetate treatment in males with renal or prostatic adenocarcinoma.
Tomic R, Ljungberg B, Damber JE.
He isn't sure if Deca does increase prolactin or not but hasn't seen any evidence it does.
How did we go all of a sudden from the data regarding progestins and prolactin in men from being inconclusive to "I remember that you said deca didn't raise prolactin, as a progestin it should, shouldn't it?"
I've just never seen any evidence that deca does increase prolactin.
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Yeah well I looked at this a while back and couldn't find any data showing this, IIRC Deca might actually lower prolactin. Androgens lower prolactin while estrogens increase it and we know Deca only aromatizes minimally. This is what Nandi/Karl Hoffman said and he was nearly always right.
This leaves a big question as to what actually is causing the increased prolactin levels. I'm almost tempted to shoot 800mgs of deca and go get a blood test =)
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Not on only 200/wk imo. .5mg e3d will probably do the job. Depends how prone you are to aromatization I guess.
I don't know about caber. Do some research.
so just 0.5 arimidex EOD would be good enough? (deca 300 and test 200 x 10 weeks).
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so just 0.5 arimidex EOD would be good enough? (deca 300 and test 200 x 10 weeks).
it depends worm... i need more frequent and higher dose ai because i guess i am more rpone to aromitization.. youll just have to see for yourself dude ... one thing that might be an indicator is what your natural estrogen levels are like... gh15 said in a post once about a guy more prone to gyno would have little body hair smooth skin and be more feminine... does this sound like you ?
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no, pretty hairy! lol
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so just 0.5 arimidex EOD would be good enough? (deca 300 and test 200 x 10 weeks).
It would be enough for me at any rate.
I also wonder about tapering down AI use. Once the AI knocks out the enzymes running around in you, it seems like only a lower maintenance dose would be needed. Just speculating.
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tape, u use any other PCT?
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Running HCG throughout @ 250iu eod with Adex .25mg e4d (lowered from what I started with) on 250mgTE e4d bookended with some var. Pretty mild by most users standards. Will run clomid 50mg/day for a month or as needed afterwards.
I'm debating about the merits of coming off gradually vs suddenly. Been meaning to start a thread about it.
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doing a 10 week cycle, should i start clomid after? or like during week 8 or so?
(ps. start that thread tapeworm)
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doing a 10 week cycle, should i start clomid after? or like during week 8 or so?
(ps. start that thread tapeworm)
No, you start it in PCT which is why it's called Post Cycle... 2 weeks after your last test inject.
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I'm debating about the merits of coming off gradually vs suddenly. Been meaning to start a thread about it.
Tapering off is the old school way of thinking and doesn't really bear any merit IMO. Trab used to swear by this, but it's not something anyone does anymore really since there's no reason to. You could try it and see how you like it, but personally I don't see the need to taper down unless maybe (big maybe) if you've been on for years.
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Tapering off is the old school way of thinking and doesn't really bear any merit IMO. Trab used to swear by this, but it's not something anyone does anymore really since there's no reason to. You could try it and see how you like it, but personally I don't see the need to taper down unless maybe (big maybe) if you've been on for years.
just theorizing here ... i see no point in tapering off the injectables.. BUT, running an oral OR fast acting steroid during the period while your letting those heavy esters drain from your system does make sense to me... that way you can continue gaining, or at least maintaining, all the way up untill you start up your pct drugs.
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just theorizing here ... i see no point in tapering off the injectables.. BUT, running an oral OR fast acting steroid during the period while your letting those heavy esters drain from your system does make sense to me... that way you can continue gaining, or at least maintaining, all the way up untill you start up your pct drugs.
True but if you are running a long ester your test levels are still going to be pretty high going into PCT.
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just theorizing here ... i see no point in tapering off the injectables.. BUT, running an oral OR fast acting steroid during the period while your letting those heavy esters drain from your system does make sense to me... that way you can continue gaining, or at least maintaining, all the way up untill you start up your pct drugs.
Good theorizing there Candy! I will sometimes front load with prop and end the cycle with prop going into PCT. Ive always had good luck doing this.
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Running HCG throughout @ 250iu eod with Adex .25mg e4d (lowered from what I started with) on 250mgTE e4d bookended with some var. Pretty mild by most users standards. Will run clomid 50mg/day for a month or as needed afterwards.
I'm debating about the merits of coming off gradually vs suddenly. Been meaning to start a thread about it.
Emmortal is correct no need to taper doses, keep your blood levels stable and run the same dose all the way through. Clomid only needs to be run for three weeks and you should be golden. You might also want to run some Aromasin with the pct for six weeks. It will crank up your natural test and keep you from going into estrogen rebound.
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ok, i will let you know how it goes....
i am going for arimidex 0.5 mg daily then for 3 weeks after
3 weeks after start clomid...
i will keep you all posted...
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Good theorizing there Candy! I will sometimes front load with prop and end the cycle with prop going into PCT. Ive always had good luck doing this.
cool !
yeah since im running nadro deca now i picked up some nandro phenyl prop to run while that heavy esters leaves the system... :) along with some winstrol tabs and dbol and arimidex... i think it will work nicely
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damn candi,,,how much you spending on your gear??? sounds like you are on everything.
i am excited about using human grade shit, much better than BD on anything alin has...
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damn candi,,,how much you spending on your gear??? sounds like you are on everything.
i am excited about using human grade shit, much better than BD on anything alin has...
the winny and arimidex are OOOLLLLLDDDDD i didnt even think i was gonna get them... now i am gettin them though
other than that i already got the dbol, and test is cheap and the nadralone aint too bad
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still, you must be spending 500-700 per cycle?
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whats a "cycle" ? ;D
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funny. thats a lot of money man.
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500-700 for 20 weeks full of gear is a good deal dude ! i would jump on a cycle that only costed 500 ... considering an anabolic an androgen along with an oral and some kind of ai throughout