Author Topic: finally HRT! ? about cycle (Read 4312 times)

theworm · « **on:** June 10, 2008, 06:08:55 PM »

ok, i can get deca 300 and test 300. now, keep in mind there are the real deal, human grade. I bet a cycle of deca 300 and test 300 for 10 weeks is a decent cycle, probably equivilent to deca 600 and test 600 of UG shit. thoughts?

Emmortal · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2008, 06:22:10 PM »

I'd probably run the test a little higher, maybe 1.5cc's and the deca at that rate is fine. I'd also run HCG on cycle as well, 250-500ius 2x a week (1st shot should be 2 days before your first test injection of the week, 2nd shot should be 1 day before second test injection).

Arnold jr · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2008, 06:36:29 PM »

Should be fine and you should notice some good changes. Like said, you may need to bump up the test slightly, then again maybe not.

Emmortal · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2008, 06:39:01 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on June 10, 2008, 06:36:29 PM

Should be fine and you should notice some good changes. Like said, you may need to bump up the test slightly, then again maybe not.

Yup. I like to err on the side of caution with new users to deca. Deca dick can be pretty damn frustrating.

theworm · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2008, 07:02:01 PM »

how does clomid rank to HCG?

also, HCG is expensive with a script, it is not considered illegal to have without is it?

Emmortal · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »

Quote from: theworm on June 10, 2008, 07:02:01 PM

how does clomid rank to HCG?

also, HCG is expensive with a script, it is not considered illegal to have without is it?

Anything prescription based is illegal to have without a script. HCG and clomid are two totally different things. Read the stickies, there's some good HCG information there as it's been discussed quite a bit already.

theworm · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2008, 07:30:52 PM »

I know its illegal, it was my fault asking it in that way.

However, i do not feel it is a schedule III substance, so the fine would be along the lines of possesing your brothers antibiotics. I believe this is correct, however, I may be wrong.

Emmortal · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2008, 10:59:05 PM »

Quote from: theworm on June 10, 2008, 07:30:52 PM

I know its illegal, it was my fault asking it in that way.

However, i do not feel it is a schedule III substance, so the fine would be along the lines of possesing your brothers antibiotics. I believe this is correct, however, I may be wrong.

Right, sorry I misunderstood what you were asking. I've never heard of anyone getting busted for HCG. If you have a script for it for HRT then I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think a judge is going to really care too much, but that may depend on the town you live in and how bored the judge is.

abc123 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2008, 02:47:59 AM »

Do your first cycle and then ask your doc if you can bump the test up to every 4-5 days. Mine lets me do 250 mg twice a week, but I choose to only do it every five days. I just don't need much for what I want to accomplish.

theworm · « **Reply #9 on:** June 11, 2008, 09:04:08 AM »

ok, another question,

say i throw in some tbol 50 mg x 8 weeks, i bet that would be good with deca 300 and test 300

also, say you have a script for deca/test and possess tbol, how much on a charge (?felony) would that be if any?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #10 on:** June 11, 2008, 09:08:35 AM »

Quote from: theworm on June 11, 2008, 09:04:08 AM

ok, another question,

say i throw in some tbol 50 mg x 8 weeks, i bet that would be good with deca 300 and test 300

also, say you have a script for deca/test and possess tbol, how much on a charge (?felony) would that be if any?

I forget, have you juiced previously? If not, there is no need to cycle 3 different steroids, especially when you are worried about different sides.

theworm · « **Reply #11 on:** June 11, 2008, 09:10:50 AM »

juice free since 01

4thAD · « **Reply #12 on:** June 11, 2008, 09:25:16 AM »

possession of tbol would be a problem if you were to get caught.

Emmortal · « **Reply #13 on:** June 11, 2008, 10:19:07 AM »

Quote from: 4thAD on June 11, 2008, 09:25:16 AM

possession of tbol would be a problem if you were to get caught.

The question is, why would you be driving around with it in the first place? Just keep it at home. Or better yet, buy some vitamins and put it in the bottle.

theworm · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2008, 02:55:02 PM »

just found out anavar is 600 bucks! what about deca 600 (human grade) plus 50mg tbol daily? good cycle?

4thAD · « **Reply #15 on:** June 11, 2008, 02:59:52 PM »

Quote from: theworm on June 11, 2008, 02:55:02 PM

just found out anavar is 600 bucks! what about deca 600 (human grade) plus 50mg tbol daily? good cycle?

Test is needed in the cycle.

theworm · « **Reply #16 on:** June 11, 2008, 03:24:36 PM »

ok, forget tbol and anavar,

i am a wimp about test, i know, make fun all you want. this is my first go round, so i want only a small cycle for first. basically, i am going to do human grade deca 300 and test 200. i know, its small, but its real. do I still need an anti-estrogen and HCG on such a small cycle?

Emmortal · « **Reply #17 on:** June 11, 2008, 03:51:58 PM »

Quote from: theworm on June 11, 2008, 03:24:36 PM

ok, forget tbol and anavar,

i am a wimp about test, i know, make fun all you want. this is my first go round, so i want only a small cycle for first. basically, i am going to do human grade deca 300 and test 200. i know, its small, but its real. do I still need an anti-estrogen and HCG on such a small cycle?

I'd at least run HCG and have the AI on hand just in case. I dunno about running deca higher than the test, but I guess you'll find out if you are prone to deca dick =)

theworm · « **Reply #18 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:02:00 PM »

ok, arimidex 1 mg EOD is what I read from Dave Palumbo, right?

Tapeworm · « **Reply #19 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:12:21 PM »

Not on only 200/wk imo. .5mg e3d will probably do the job. Depends how prone you are to aromatization I guess.

I don't know about caber. Do some research.

theworm · « **Reply #20 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:15:21 PM »

what is caber?

Emmortal · « **Reply #21 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:24:50 PM »

Quote from: theworm on June 11, 2008, 04:15:21 PM

what is caber?

Cabergoline/Cabaser/Dostinex. Reduces progestine which is what deca increases. Progrestine is also released when a male orgasms, which is why most men can't become errect again for a while until the progestine is cleared. That's what deca dick is, constant inability to get errect due to elevated progestine levels. Caber keeps that in check.

theworm · « **Reply #22 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:28:08 PM »

i am taken your advice and adding test, so hopefully all is well.

anyway, if that happens (deca-dick), at least i will be able to get some shit done for 2 months! lol.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #23 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:35:57 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on June 11, 2008, 04:24:50 PM

Cabergoline/Cabaser/Dostinex. Reduces progestine which is what deca increases. Progrestine is also released when a male orgasms, which is why most men can't become errect again for a while until the progestine is cleared. That's what deca dick is, constant inability to get errect due to elevated progestine levels. Caber keeps that in check.

Do you have any data showing that Deca increases progesterone (I guess this is what you meant?) and/or prolactin? Deca is a progestin but I never heard it increases it. Never saw any data that Deca or Tren increased prolactin either as is usually claimed.

Emmortal · « **Reply #24 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:26:44 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 11, 2008, 04:35:57 PM

Do you have any data showing that Deca increases progesterone (I guess this is what you meant?) and/or prolactin? Deca is a progestin but I never heard it increases it. Never saw any data that Deca or Tren increased prolactin either as is usually claimed.

Sorry, I mis-stated that, it increases prolactin, not progesterone. It's pretty well known that progestines in general increase prolactin. Since I haven't seen any studies done directly with Nandrolone itself the assumption that it would act as other progestines in the case of raising prolactin levels could be safely assumed. Especially since treatment of Dostinex relieves issues of deca dick.