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(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/sect/election/main_page/obama.jpg)Barack Obama 48%
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/sect/election/main_page/mccain.jpg)John McCain 43%
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I really don't see how that many are for McCain when so many can't stand Bush. Do people really want the same type of crap going on in our country and in Iraq for another 4-8 years. ??? Obama all the way.
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I really don't see how that many are for McCain when so many can't stand Bush. Do people really want the same type of crap going on in our country and in Iraq for another 4-8 years. ??? Obama all the way.
Exactly. People...... :-\
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I really don't see how that many are for McCain when so many can't stand Bush. Do people really want the same type of crap going on in our country and in Iraq for another 4-8 years. ??? Obama all the way.
There are a lot of rednecks in America, plus a portion of people with high income hoping for tax cuts.
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When it's over McCain will be remembered as the next Bob Dole.
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There are a lot of rednecks in America, plus a portion of people with high income hoping for tax cuts.
I live in Memphis and I know all about the stubborn rednecks and most are Democrats who would move to Canada before accepting a Black president even if he is a Democrat. And the high income people represent about 10% of the population. This country is built on the middle to low class busting their asses day in and day out for that 10%. F*ck tax cuts for the rich they can afford it. ;D
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I really don't see how that many are for McCain when so many can't stand Bush. Do people really want the same type of crap going on in our country and in Iraq for another 4-8 years. ??? Obama all the way.
good point....it's because some people will vote REPUBLICAN no matter what ::)
"anyone who makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a fool"
-Chris Rock
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good point....it's because some people will vote REPUBLICAN no matter what ::)
"anyone who makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a fool"
-Chris Rock
Exactly.
I've been saying this for a while. Why are people so quick to "claim" a party/label? Use your fucking brain.
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Exactly.
I've been saying this for a while. Why are people so quick to "claim" a party/label? Use your fucking brain.
I call myself a Democrat but if McCain offered more promise than Barack I'd gladly vote for him. Vote for who is going to get the job done. I don't care if the guy is whatever color or gets blown in the office everyday if he is a taking care of business.
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The American public = not engaged in politics the way they'd like to think. If they were, we wouldn't have two terms of Bush, and a possibility of McCain
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some people will vote REPUBLICAN no matter what
Hi JoeLoco.
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The American public = not engaged in politics the way they'd like to think. If they were, we wouldn't have two terms of Bush, and a possibility of McCain
So many people vote for those who simply do not have their interest at heart its sad.
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So it really seems fair to you that because you make more money, you get taxed a higher percentage? That could possibly be the dumbest statement I have ever heard, getting penalized for doing well. Way to go dumbasses...
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Barak:
The New Jimmy Carter
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People have 5 months to "get over" his skin color.
People have 5 months to "get over" a depressed economy.
I have a feeling that the wallet comes before personal feelings on race.
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People aren't willingly gonna give their wallet over to a negro.
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People aren't willingly gonna give their wallet over to a negro.
Ask any unemployed guy, or a parent whose kid in on their 3rd straight tour in iraq.
Ask them if "I support the current Bush tax policy" or "It's not important when the troops come home" matter to them.
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It's unfortunate for the negro that Bush isn't running.
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People aren't willingly gonna give their wallet over to a negro.
Better to a half black guy than some idios who's going throw it all away because he's a stubborn old fuck
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So it really seems fair to you that because you make more money, you get taxed a higher percentage? That could possibly be the dumbest statement I have ever heard, getting penalized for doing well. Way to go dumbasses...
Well, they are liberals, afterall...
Liberals=Blame=Shame
'Nuff said.....
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Barak='Built Out Of Weak Sperm'
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You can make some great arguments against Bush's economic policies, but if people think Barak is going to waltz into the white house and everything is going to magically better, well....
BTW, Barak has no problem with the high gas prices. ;)
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If I had US citizenship I'd join the Marines and then vote for John McCain
he has more experience and seems better suited for the office
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Exactly.
I've been saying this for a while. Why are people so quick to "claim" a party/label? Use your fucking brain.
But MattC proclaims himself a 'libertarian' and he's easily the most intelligent Getbig poster. ???
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But MattC proclaims himself a 'libertarian' and he's easily the most intelligent Getbig poster. ???
Do you have any statistics to back that statement up dr.chimps?
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If I had US citizenship I'd join the Marines and then vote for John McCain
he has more experience and seems better suited for the office
Thank heavens you don't
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The two of them haven't even started debating yet. Obama will make McCain and the republican party look incompetent. This country is seven trillion dollars in debt because of the current republican administration.
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If I had US citizenship I'd join the Marines and then vote for John McCain
he has more experience and seems better suited for the office
They are both idiots and we are totally screwed no matter who get elected.
Hope that helps.
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Get this through your head, folks....
WHITE PEOPLE LIE.
That is all.
(Note: I see nothing at all wrong or unethical about lying to pollsters)
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
meaningless until 1 month out
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
You would think with all the dead people that vote democrat, they would have no problem. :-\
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
You're wrong.
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
It's been confirmed that NC is going to Obama.
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You're wrong.
got "Hope"? ::)
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It's been confirmed that NC is going to Obama.
The two most recent polls in NC show McCain ahead:
http://www.270towin.com/states/North_Carolina
Although one of them is within the margin of error.
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got "Hope"? ::)
Obama is the next President.
Get over it.
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You're wrong.
I'm wrong that we use a state-by-state electoral college system and national polls are therefore meaningless?
I'm wrong that the only relevant polls are those that include only "likely voters"?
I'm wrong that there are several swing states where the polls are within the margin of error?
Okay, "mark kerr". ::)
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Obama is the next President.
Get over it.
Will never happen
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You're all correct...
... McCain is pathetic. He has to be to be losing to a racist, ultra-left idealogue with no credibility, running a campaign of no substance.
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I'm wrong that we use a state-by-state electoral college system and national polls are therefore meaningless?
I'm wrong that the only relevant polls are those that include only "likely voters"?
I'm wrong that there are several swing states where the polls are within the margin of error?
Okay, "mark kerr". ::)
Yes, Mark Kerr, ba haha
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Obama is the next President.
Get over it.
Agreed.
Not happy, but life goes on. :)
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I'm wrong that we use a state-by-state electoral college system and national polls are therefore meaningless?
I'm wrong that the only relevant polls are those that include only "likely voters"?
I'm wrong that there are several swing states where the polls are within the margin of error?
Okay, "mark kerr". ::)
Yes, you are wrong.
I will bring this thread back up in November to prove you wrong.
This country is sick of the republican bullshit.
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The two most recent polls in NC show McCain ahead:
http://www.270towin.com/states/North_Carolina
Although one of them is within the margin of error.
The 'White People Lie' thing goes in that direction, too. :)
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Barak:
The New Jimmy Carter
hahaha and despite that, people will still blindly vote for him because it's the popular position to have ::)
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hahaha and despite that, people will still blindly vote for him because it's the popular position to have ::)
Absolutely.. good point. I have yet to meet anyone for Obama who isn't dumb as a brick and trendy out the ass.
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Absolutely.. good point. I have yet to meet anyone for Obama who isn't dumb as a brick and trendy out the ass.
Who would you vote for, McCain or Obama?
Those are our only choices.
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Who would you vote for, McCain or Obama?
Those are our only choices.
:'(
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:'(
It's sad.
We're fucked, either way.
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Who would you vote for, McCain or Obama?
Those are our only choices.
McCain easy.. better an ineffectual, brain-damaged repub keeping things in gridlock than an elitist, social extremist bent on wealth redistribution and even LARGER gov't.
McCain might be a slight improvement to a mild disaster but there is no doubt Obama would trash this country.
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Yes, you are wrong.
I will bring this thread back up in November to prove you wrong.
This country is sick of the republican bullshit.
About which part? I made three statements. Which of them is wrong?
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Get this through your head, folks....
WHITE PEOPLE LIE.
That is all.
(Note: I see nothing at all wrong or unethical about lying to pollsters)
"I did not kill Nicole" - OJ Simpson :P
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It's really too far out to be of much note, lot can happen in 5 months, but polls are relatively accurate closer to the date. During the primaries, the late stage polls were correct almost every time.
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I'm wrong that we use a state-by-state electoral college system and national polls are therefore meaningless?
I'm wrong that the only relevant polls are those that include only "likely voters"?
I'm wrong that there are several swing states where the polls are within the margin of error?
Okay, "mark kerr". ::)
Yes, you are wrong.
I will bring this thread back up in November to prove you wrong.
This country is sick of the republican bullshit.
No, he's right. There really is no national election. It's a bunch of independant state elections all rolled up. It has nothing to do with candidates.
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No, he's right. There really is no national election. It's a bunch of independant state elections all rolled up. It has nothing to do with candidates.
McCain will lose. He doesn't have a chance. This country wants change. Obama is peaching change, while McCain is supporting a war that is bankrupting the country.
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McCain will lose. He doesn't have a chance. This country wants change. Obama is peaching change, while McCain is supporting a war that is bankrupting the country.
More meaningless psychobabble.. "change" can mean anything. In this case it means anything the sheep like Obama fans want it to mean while the more thoughtful of us look past the lines.
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More meaningless psychobabble.. "change" can mean anything. In this case it means anything the sheep like Obama fans want it to mean while the more thoughtful of us look past the lines.
I'm not an "Obama Fan." I voted for Bush, twice. However, this country is fucked up, we need change.
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McCain will lose. He doesn't have a chance. This country wants change. Obama is peaching change, while McCain is supporting a war that is bankrupting the country.
and now eric holder is being squeezed because he was on the team that pardon'd marc rich. soon alls that's left of the vetter's will be caroline kennedy. haha
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I'm not an "Obama Fan." I voted for Bush, twice. However, this country is fucked up, we need change.
Right, like the "change" Obama would bring would be an improvement. Sure ::)
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Right, like the "change" Obama would bring would be an improvement. Sure ::)
He's offering more of an "improvement" than McCain. ;)
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and now eric holder is being squeezed because he was on the team that pardon'd marc rich. soon alls that's left of the vetter's will be caroline kennedy. haha
Go back to school.
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McCain easy.. better an ineffectual, brain-damaged repub keeping things in gridlock than an elitist, social extremist bent on wealth redistribution and even LARGER gov't.
McCain might be a slight improvement to a mild disaster but there is no doubt Obama would trash this country.
I prefer McCain, but both favor more government.
Regarding redistribution of wealth, the biggest culprit there has been the Bush Company. No other regime in recent U.S. history even comes close. Obama, if elected, won't be able to touch Bush-Cheney in that department.
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I prefer McCain, but both favor more government.
Regarding redistribution of wealth, the biggest culprit there has been the Bush Company. No other regime in recent U.S. history even comes close. Obama, if elected, won't be able to touch Bush-Cheney in that department.
I agree.
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I prefer McCain, but both favor more government.
Regarding redistribution of wealth, the biggest culprit there has been the Bush Company. No other regime in recent U.S. history even comes close. Obama, if elected, won't be able to touch Bush-Cheney in that department.
Wrong. Trickle down economics has been proven time and time again.
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He's offering more of an "improvement" than McCain. ;)
Please enlighten me so I may knock down this myth.
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"I did not kill Nicole" - OJ Simpson :P
Exactly. OJ has been white for 24 years.
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Wrong. Trickle down economics has been proven time and time again.
What?
Have you not heard that tremendous WHOOSH sound across what used to be middle class America?
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What?
Have you not heard that tremendous WHOOSH sound across what used to be middle class America?
When the US gov't makes three or four times more money in taxes off of gasoline sales alone than the oil companies themselves and wants even more in repealing the tax breaks it does more damage to the middle class in two years of a democratic congress than 100+ years of a Bush presidency.
Liberalism is the biggest threat to the middle class in America.
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When the US gov't makes three or four times more money in taxes off of gasoline sales alone than the oil companies themselves and wants even more in repealing the tax breaks it does more damage to the middle class in two years of a democratic congress than 100+ years of a Bush presidency.
Liberalism is the biggest threat to the middle class in America.
That's what the super-rich have trained you to think and I used to believe it, too...until Bush-Cheney came along and began stealing from all of us and our grandkids, too.
The Republicans used to be about keeping more money in the taxpayers' pockets, but the Bush-Cheney Republicans have become Democrats in different clothing.
Wake up, man...the current regime is anti-middle class. The Dems want a *poor* middle class, but at least they aren't trying to squeeze us out of existence.
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McCain will lose. He doesn't have a chance. This country wants change. Obama is peaching change, while McCain is supporting a war that is bankrupting the country.
You're seriously missing the point. He was referring to the election process, regardless of candidate.
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I'm no McCain fan, but when I ask an Obama supporter to fill in the blanks with this question: " I like Obama becasue he will do <blank> and it will be good for the country because <blank>", I rarely get a straight answer.
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I'm no McCain fan, but when I ask an Obama supporter to fill in the blanks with this question: " I like Obama becasue he will do <blank> and it will be good for the country because <blank>", I rarely get a straight answer.
1) he will bring 'change' ::)
2) Bush policies have killed our economy
I don't agree with 1, but do agree with 2. I don't believe that Obama is the solution, but being the anti-Bush does give him a decent argument.
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That's what the super-rich have trained you to think and I used to believe it, too...until Bush-Cheney came along and began stealing from all of us and our grandkids, too.
The Republicans used to be about keeping more money in the taxpayers' pockets, but the Bush-Cheney Republicans have become Democrats in different clothing.
Wake up, man...the current regime is anti-middle class. The Dems want a *poor* middle class, but at least they aren't trying to squeeze us out of existence.
No one trained me to think you imbicile. This whinning you're doing about Bush doesn't help you one bit, especially if you use your dislike for him to justify voting for someone even WORSE.
Conservatives do not have a perfect track record but compared to that alternative you have to be kidding! The Dems are doing everything they can squeeze us out of our paychecks, inheritance, private property, and civil liberties. They have been for decades.
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hussain will lose this coming election by a land slide it wotn even be close,,we already flow tons of money into mccain + the repulican party equiping him with more money,,you cant win election in usa if you are muslim that was raised in indonisia and named hussain ,,you cant win if you are arrogent black,,the polls right now are about same which usuallyu means land alide for the republican and in mccain case it will be very very big win ,,,hussain obama is genetation nothingness and his only single chance to win is if gas prices touch 6$ on election day in eastern usa ,,,any other way he loses big,,gas wont be 6 $ by november,,it will be 4.79$ in eastern usa,,
barak hussain obama is a product of a left wing very liberal medica leaded by keith ulberman from msnbc and most of their hosts,,,the msnbc fellas will be all losing their jobs in the way they know it past november ,,usa will finish the job like always and get back into its place of greatness past the bush era which was catastrophic but had to be this way inorder for future generation to be safe,,
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hussain will lose this coming election by a land slide it wotn even be close,,we already flow tons of money into mccain + the repulican party equiping him with more money,,you cant win election in usa if you are muslim that was raised in indonisia and named hussain ,,you cant win if you are arrogent black,,the polls right now are about same which usuallyu means land alide for the republican and in mccain case it will be very very big win ,,,hussain obama is genetation nothingness and his only single chance to win is if gas prices touch 6$ on election day in eastern usa ,,,any other way he loses big,,gas wont be 6 $ by november,,it will be 4.79$ in eastern usa,,
barak hussain obama is a product of a left wing very liberal medica leaded by keith ulberman from msnbc and most of their hosts,,,the msnbc fellas will be all losing their jobs in the way they know it past november ,,usa will finish the job like always and get back into its place of greatness past the bush era which was catastrophic but had to be this way inorder for future generation to be safe,,
no pms please thank you
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NARC ::)
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hussain will lose this coming election by a land slide it wotn even be close,,we already flow tons of money into mccain + the repulican party equiping him with more money,,you cant win election in usa if you are muslim that was raised in indonisia and named hussain ,,you cant win if you are arrogent black,,the polls right now are about same which usuallyu means land alide for the republican and in mccain case it will be very very big win ,,,hussain obama is genetation nothingness and his only single chance to win is if gas prices touch 6$ on election day in eastern usa ,,,any other way he loses big,,gas wont be 6 $ by november,,it will be 4.79$ in eastern usa,,
barak hussain obama is a product of a left wing very liberal medica leaded by keith ulberman from msnbc and most of their hosts,,,the msnbc fellas will be all losing their jobs in the way they know it past november ,,usa will finish the job like always and get back into its place of greatness past the bush era which was catastrophic but had to be this way inorder for future generation to be safe,,
no pms please thank you
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When it's over McCain will be remembered as the next Bob Dole.
Haha.
You nailed it.
It's like even the Republicans didn't want their best candidate to run.
Giuliani, Romney or even Huckabee would've been much better picks.
Giuliani would've been lethal for Obama.
But the Republicans sort of just decided on handing it to the Democrats this time out.
John "72 years old" McCain. WTF?
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The McCain girl can kick the Obama girl's ass.
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You're seriously missing the point. He was referring to the election process, regardless of candidate.
No. I'm not missing the point. I understand the "election process." I'm just saying McCain doesn't stand a chance against Obama. If Obama chooses Clinton as a running mate, it will be even harder for the republican party.
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No. I'm not missing the point. I understand the "election process." I'm just saying McCain doesn't stand a chance against Obama. If Obama chooses Clinton as a running mate, it will be even harder for the republican party.
Are you kidding? Clinton was far more electable than Obama. Although I don't like McCain the fact that he's so overly moderate makes him appeal to WAY more people than an extremist like Obama.
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good point....it's because some people will vote REPUBLICAN no matter what ::)
"anyone who makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a fool"
-Chris Rock
and all, yes all black people i know vote democrat because their parents do.
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and all, yes all black people i know vote democrat because their parents do.
Guess you should poll more than the 3 black people you know
Independent...
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Are you kidding? Clinton was far more electable than Obama. Although I don't like McCain the fact that he's so overly moderate makes him appeal to WAY more people than an extremist like Obama.
Yes. But, she didn't win. If Obama chooses Clinton as his VP running mate, they will crush McCain in the polls.
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Guess you should poll more than the 3 black people you know
Independent...
from my experience talking and with and hanging out black friends and coworkers, this is what i know., they all, all vote democrat because their parents did and their parents before them. when i asked one guy why he is voting the way he dows he shook his head and smiled and said, "cuz my momma do".
dont be insulting, i know and hang out with more than 3 black people.
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Every black person I have ever met also votes democrat. Most black people are very ignorant when it comes to politics.
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Yes. But, she didn't win. If Obama chooses Clinton as his VP running mate, they will crush McCain in the polls.
Possible.. but alone either one is very beatable by McCain.
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Possible.. but alone either one is very beatable by McCain.
I don't think so.
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I don't think so.
Well you got me there!! :\
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National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents. You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes. You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day.
If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error. This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall.
But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.
Yup,and here is an excellent site that adds up the latest polling data from every state and projects the electoral vote
www.electoral-vote.com
If you go state by state, Obama is really whooping McMaverick's ass
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all BS aside in the history of presidential runs so many prommises where made very few kept, I doubt things will be different this time so to me voting based on what someone prommises is stupid both are all talk obama simply does a great job at telling people what they wanna hear without the person feeling like hes being told what he wants to hear, remember he only became popular because of a speech he gave many years ago a speech someone else wrote for him (maybe that speech writier should run)
people in general in america fall for anyone who has a good tounge, people fall for scams here more than anywhere else etc.
So many are voting for obama simply to show they are ok with a black person being president and thats a dangerous way of living, I dont care if they guy is black or white but lets get real all he has is tons of prommises hes never done anything for this country other than give amazing speeches.
Big problem is McCain is no better yes he was a POW but does that mean he gets the keys to the whitehouse?
Its sad there isnt anyone quality thats running someone who has done stuff in their life, turned a business around or helped make real laws that helped the american people.
And last but not least there is little anyone can do to solve the GWB mess.
Nothing a president can do to turn the hosuing market around and to think anyone will just say ok troops everyone get out of iraq now is silly thinking althou I wish there is a way to do that since its costing so many lives and has costed over 4000 lives already in addition to costing about $450 million a day to be there.
So you have 2 people running who are all talk, and even if they wanted to make things happen little can be done because of the complex mess the economy is in, only time can heal this mess.
Here is whats needed to bring this ecomomy back (yesh its a nice dream)
Give companies extreme tax breaks sshould they decide to bring jobs back to the USA (in turn giving more people jobs)
Free up some of the oil reserves we have right away (making gas cheaper food cheaper etc = more spending on other stuff)
Legalize stuff that is the foundation for organize crime, make drugs gambling and prostitution legal and you will cut the life and blood to many gangs (remember organized crime started when alcahool was banned) in other words you will make communities safer and that can only make people live and work better
Remember guys the market dropped june 6th because of the spike in unemployment, imagine if we bring our troops home or if we didnt have over 2 million people in prsion how crazy the unemployment rate would be.
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OBAMA "I'M NOT A MUSLIM...HONEST", BUSTED!!
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/12917.htm
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
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Obama's answer to every question is MORE government. Which is frightening considering our government screws up everything it touchs already.
Could you imagine having our healthcare system run the same way as social security???????
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I need someone to answer this question for me. I've asked it to every trendy bush hating douche and I cant get a straight answer. How did bush ruin the housing market? From my understanding it has a hell of a lot more to do with adjustable rate mortgages that dumb americans get than anything bush can do.
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All the folks here who say mccain will win "easily"... they must know something the presidential scholars do not...
"One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.
Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.
“This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.
“McCain shouldn’t win it,” said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain’s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.
“It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,” added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model — which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating — gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 — both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. “It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,” Abramowitz said.
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240, you hate bush, explain to me how he ruined the housing market?
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240, you hate bush, explain to me how he ruined the housing market?
I don't hate bush. I voted for him twice. I'm just a little annoyed he knew about 911, six weeks ahead of time, and let it happen.
For the credit crunch on housing-
Bush took off the training wheels. Idiot, greedy consumers rode their bicycles off the cliffs.
Danielson can explain it in great detail. In order to keep economy alive after dotcom bust of jan 01 and 9/11/01, Bush loosened lending restrictions which opened the door for predatory lending practices from firms like countrywide. We used to be limited in how much we could borrow, and ARMs didn't let us borrow beyond our means. After 911, rates were dirt low and bush took off the brakes on lending. Millions of greedy idiots put all their retirement $ into a 2nd home they didn't need and couldnt afford. There isn't demand - population hasn't grown much since 2001. But the amount of empty houses sure has.
Bush only shoulders 1/2 the blame. Idiot borrowers intent on turning that 250k house into a $400k sale overnight, are to blame. I used to be the black sheep in MBA courses in 02/03. "Where is the demand for these millions of homes?" I asked. Even my professors said I was wrong. Dicks.
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Haha, so basically your saying the american public are sheep. I'm glad the american people messed up though, its paying my way through college.
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Haha, so basically your saying the american public are sheep. I'm glad the american people messed up though, its paying my way through college.
Of course the american public are sheep. And they'll all act so surprised when Bush produces bin laden this october, right as he declares a win in both afghanistan and Iraq, to help scoot in the mccain win.
People are dumb. They don't believe evidence when it conflicts with their political alliances. People won't admit obama is an inexperiened twerp because they're so moved by his speeches. people won't accept Bush let 911 happen, because it hurts to much to think a leader would let people die because in the bigger scheme, the bases and oil were more important.
Most people are lazy and vote based upon appearance and wedge isues that will likely never affect them.
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I might not agree with your political stances all the time, but at least you seem like a knowledgeable guy. That is hard to come across theses days. I am not 100 percent against obama, I am against the people that are going to vote for him solely because they dont like bush. I am against people that let his smooth tongue tickle their ears. All candidates lie, that is understood, but I dont think Obama will steer this country in a direction I want. I am against the idea of socialism, and I believe that is what Obama brings to the table. National healthcare is stupid, and it will ruin this country, I am scared at what Obama might do with this country.
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Yes, obama will pick up the gun control, socialism, globalization trend that Clinton left off in 2000.
Unfortunately, McCain will pick up the warmongering/Bomb Iran mentality that will start another war which will shut down the persian gulf oil exports, which will lead to MFing chaos over here when food and gas run out.
No really good options here.
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240, you hate bush, explain to me how he ruined the housing market?
He can't, Bush had nothing to do with it. Liberals just think the government should run everything, so when something goes wrong they blame the government. And boy do they love bashing Bush.
Here's what happened. Around 6 - 7 years ago, democratic congressman, state politicians, and media started grandstanding about how mortgages were not equally distributed by race. They had nice catch phrases about how "every American should have RIGHT to home ownership." This put a lot of pressure on mortgages company's to come up with alternative forms of mortgages. Instead of standing up to these loud mouth politicians and telling them they have no idea what they were talking about, the mortgage company's came up with interest only mortgage, adjustable rate mortgage, and other risky financing schemes. The mortgage company's greatly reduced their wealth requirements and started giving people more financing than they could realisticly afford.
These mortgages worked well for a while. Then the economy took a dive. And the morons who took out an exorbiant mortgage, could no longer pay. Therefore, we had an incredible increase in foreclosures. Meanwhile, financial institutions were using these risky mortgages to gaurantee certain securities. When the mortgages foreclose, the securities were worthless, and we had the financial sector problems.
To sum up, the mortgage crisis is the fault of the greedy mortgage companies, the morons who took out mortgages they couldn't afford, and dumbass financial institutions who didn't understand what was gauranteeing their securities. And it all started by politicians getting involved in private business.
And now Obama wants to bail out all of these people who made terrible decisions, at the expense of the responsible tax payer who DIDN'T over-extend their debt.
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He can't, Bush had nothing to do with it.
Wrong. But have a cookie.
Liberals just think ...
You look ignorant when you start blanket statements like that. Please stop embarassing your fellow republicans with the name-calling. That's FOX propaganda you're repeating. Most smart republicans take all media with a grain of salt, FOX news included. Anyone who starts a sentence with "Libs think..." shows they see it as an "Us against them" game, not an issue of right and wrong.
Tell me... should the 2 repub senators caught in sex scandals in 2007 resign?
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Looks like I missed several posts. Sorry for assuming 240 was a liberal.
I agree with most of what 240 said, especially about Obama. But I don't agree with Bush having anything to do with lowering the credit rating limits that lead to all the bad mortgages. Financial institutions determine who they lend to and how much they lend.
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Looks like I missed several posts. Sorry for assuming 240 was a liberal.
I agree with most of what 240 said, especially about Obama. But I don't agree with Bush having anything to do with lowering the credit rating limits that lead to all the bad mortgages. Financial institutions determine who they lend to and how much they lend.
No worries. I'm a lifelong republican voter who isn't too thrilled with the big govt growth, heavy borrowing, elective wars, and other abuses under the current neoconservative agenda.
I take many shots at both parties. I love politics and admit both sides need to fix things. Many people ignore the flaws of their own party. That's like ignoring your ugly lawn and bitching about the neighbor's yard. No, you should admit your lawn sucks, water and mow it, and have the nicest yard in the block.
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The Bush-Cheney Administration eliminated government supervision of financial and other markets, and privatized the government's traditional responsibilities from mine safety inspection even to waging Iraq war and occupation.
It gave hefty tax cuts to big business and the wealthy at the expense of the working and middle income classes, and abetted Wall Street's financial games.
It also ignored the lessons of the bank failures of the 1930s: that unregulated, unsupervised financial markets inevitably produce financial frauds and catastrophic market failure and depress the economy.
Wall Street increasingly wriggled free from New Deal regulations that maintained the financial market safety. Wall Street created a "shadow non-banking" banking system that completely bypassed government supervision
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Wrong. But have a cookie.
You look ignorant when you start blanket statements like that. Please stop embarassing your fellow republicans with the name-calling. That's FOX propaganda you're repeating. Most smart republicans take all media with a grain of salt, FOX news included. Anyone who starts a sentence with "Libs think..." shows they see it as an "Us against them" game, not an issue of right and wrong.
Tell me... should the 2 repub senators caught in sex scandals in 2007 resign?
Why insult someone who speaks the truth? Sounds like you just don't like hearing it.
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Looks like I missed several posts. Sorry for assuming 240 was a liberal.
I agree with most of what 240 said, especially about Obama. But I don't agree with Bush having anything to do with lowering the credit rating limits that lead to all the bad mortgages. Financial institutions determine who they lend to and how much they lend.
No need to be sorry....it's an easy assumption.
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The Bush-Cheney Administration eliminated government supervision of financial and other markets, and privatized the government's traditional responsibilities from mine safety inspection even to waging Iraq war and occupation.
It gave hefty tax cuts to big business and the wealthy at the expense of the working and middle income classes, and abetted Wall Street's financial games.
It also ignored the lessons of the bank failures of the 1930s: that unregulated, unsupervised financial markets inevitably produce financial frauds and catastrophic market failure and depress the economy.
Wall Street increasingly wriggled free from New Deal regulations that maintained the financial market safety. Wall Street created a "shadow non-banking" banking system that completely bypassed government supervision
Things probably done because private entities tend to run things better than gov't beurocracy. And of course business will get the largest tax breaks considering the percentage more they pay already.
You call yourself conservative but you consistently deviate from the principle that free markets thrive when gov'ts don't interfere.
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Why insult someone who speaks the truth? Sounds like you just don't like hearing it.
You use the word "lib" a lot too.
it's a shame. You make it about "Us vs. them" and therefore excuse a great deal of abuse and pilferage the republican party is guilty of.
I'm not the only one who feels this way about terms like that used to degrade those who actually have a lot of factual evidence to back up their positions (manufactured case for war, letting 911 happen, billions in stolen $ and guns in iraq). The fact that Bush is at 28% approval and mccain is in rough shape for November, speaks volumes.
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No need to be sorry....it's an easy assumption.
Again, if you want to go there, let's compare resumes.
I've been married once. Carried guns for 11 years. Church going. Law abiding. Lifetime republican voter.
Your turn..... lib ;)
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You call yourself conservative but you consistently deviate from the principle that free markets thrive when gov'ts don't interfere.
Interesting. When the Federal Reserve used taxpayer $ and rescued Bears Sterns, a large PRIVATE investment bank, so that the Board wouldn't have to return their bonuses, did you disagree with that? ;)
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You use the word "lib" a lot too.
it's a shame. You make it about "Us vs. them" and therefore excuse a great deal of abuse and pilferage the republican party is guilty of.
I'm not the only one who feels this way about terms like that used to degrade those who actually have a lot of factual evidence to back up their positions (manufactured case for war, letting 911 happen, billions in stolen $ and guns in iraq). The fact that Bush is at 28% approval and mccain is in rough shape for November, speaks volumes.
All you're doing is the same things that make conservatives in congress impotent. You refuse to place blame on the shoulders of the people who deserve it while the left throws it's own garbage on you daily. You keep acting like you're "above the battle" when all you're doing is losing the hearts and minds of Americans who only get to see the other side blaming CONSERVATIVES.
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Again, if you want to go there, let's compare resumes.
I've been married once. Carried guns for 11 years. Church going. Law abiding. Lifetime republican voter.
Your turn..... lib ;)
You forgot turncoat, unhelpful, and dilusional. I guess you call yourself a "maverick."
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All you're doing is the same things that make conservatives in congress impotent. You refuse to place blame on the shoulders of the people who deserve it while the left throws it's own garbage on you daily. You keep acting like you're "above the battle" when all you're doing is losing the hearts and minds of Americans who only get to see the other side blaming CONSERVATIVES.
I prefer to address POLICY. Repubs owned policy from 01 to 07. Dems have been in congressional control for a grand total of 18 months, and Bush keeps vetoing their asses.
I'm pointing out flaws here in positions of both parties. I can bash obama all night too, quite happily :) But I admit the repubs did allow pvt banks to issue predatory loans despite major historical precedent. Can you?
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Interesting. When the Federal Reserve used taxpayer $ and rescued Bears Sterns, a large PRIVATE investment bank, so that the Board wouldn't have to return their bonuses, did you disagree with that? ;)
I don't believe in NO gov't.. I believe in very LIMITED gov't. I don't know much about that event but I would probably disagree with it. Although, on that note, I don't see why we would disagree on it.
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You forgot turncoat, unhelpful, and dilusional. I guess you call yourself a "maverick."
I'm a global realist. We let 911 happen to justify invading arabia for oil control and permanent bases.
Do you agree or disagree so far?
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I don't believe in NO gov't.. I believe in very LIMITED gov't. I don't know much about that event but I would probably disagree with it. Although, on that note, I don't see why we would disagree on it.
I see.
So you're okay with $2 bil of our tax dollars going to keep a private bank afloat, 2 weeks after it gave out hundreds of million in bonuses to its staff despite the fact they KNEW they were on the verge of collapse?
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Interesting. When the Federal Reserve used taxpayer $ and rescued Bears Sterns, a large PRIVATE investment bank, so that the Board wouldn't have to return their bonuses, did you disagree with that? ;)
I strongly disagreed with it. We have become too unwilling to let large businesses that make terrible decisions and are no longer providing the best services/products fail. It's the backbone of capitalism to clean out weak companies and let stronger companies grow.
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I prefer to address POLICY. Repubs owned policy from 01 to 07. Dems have been in congressional control for a grand total of 18 months, and Bush keeps vetoing their asses.
I'm pointing out flaws here in positions of both parties. I can bash obama all night too, quite happily :) But I admit the repubs did allow pvt banks to issue predatory loans despite major historical precedent. Can you?
I'm glad he's vetoing the shit outta them.
I don't agree with favors any more than you do but tax breaks for people who already pay too much and privatization are two things I mostly agree with as a conservative.
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I'm glad he's vetoing the shit outta them.
Congress asked Bush for non-binding goals of the war in iraq so that success could be measured.
Bush vetoed it.
You're a military man. Do you like the idea of fighting a war with no finish line?
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I'm a global realist. We let 911 happen to justify invading arabia for oil control and permanent bases.
Do you agree or disagree so far?
More like a monumental idiot. You make an ass out of yourself every time you open up the 9/11 can of worms and your pathetic attempts to convince getbiggers only shows your desperation.
We let it happen? Please..
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I see.
So you're okay with $2 bil of our tax dollars going to keep a private bank afloat, 2 weeks after it gave out hundreds of million in bonuses to its staff despite the fact they KNEW they were on the verge of collapse?
Re-read my post jack.. I think you're not getting me.
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I strongly disagreed with it. We have become too unwilling to let large businesses that make terrible decisions and are no longer providing the best services/products fail. It's the backbone of capitalism to clean out weak companies and let stronger companies grow.
Yep. And those people are bear Stearns KNEW they were about to go insolvent. So they cleaned out their treasury by giving themselves record bonuses, right before it was time to pay the bills.
THEN they went to the FED with a tin cup and asked for help, and said "If you let us go under, other banks will fail and the market will take a hit". The Fed, and BUSH, caved.
They kept their bonuses.
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I have to disagree with your last statement 240, our government hasn't spent a dime on the bear stearns acquisition, its a security policy.
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Congress asked Bush for non-binding goals of the war in iraq so that success could be measured.
Bush vetoed it.
You're a military man. Do you like the idea of fighting a war with no finish line?
This is the first time we've fought a war like this and considering how it's aspects could drastically change almost overnight it becomes a very cloudy day when you try to attach conditions.
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More like a monumental idiot. You make an ass out of yourself every time you open up the 9/11 can of worms and your pathetic attempts to convince getbiggers only shows your desperation.
We let it happen? Please..
Six weeks before 911, 12 or more of our allies notified us of the attack date, targets, and 5 of the attacker names.
Inexplicably, the FBI case in Hollywood FL against atta was instantly closed and all investigation stopped.
israel, german, cia, fbi - they ALL warned bush. FBI director arrived in middle of night to crawford with red lights blaring. Rememebr "Bin laden determined to attack in US" file? Well, the blacked out info in it contains details on the attack.
Why didn't bush act to stop it?
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Yep. And those people are bear Stearns KNEW they were about to go insolvent. So they cleaned out their treasury by giving themselves record bonuses, right before it was time to pay the bills.
THEN they went to the FED with a tin cup and asked for help, and said "If you let us go under, other banks will fail and the market will take a hit". The Fed, and BUSH, caved.
They kept their bonuses.
Assuming the facts are as you say I have to disagree.. but you've been known to harbor "insane" and "absurd" views so I can't really take your word for it.
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This is the first time we've fought a war like this and considering how it's aspects could drastically change almost overnight it becomes a very cloudy day when you try to attach conditions.
They were not conditions.
They were measurements. Numbers. SOME form of accountability where the $3billion a week kept disappearing.
You see, Brix, we were quietly feeding guns and money to sunni and shiite insurgent groups to kill EACH OTHER so we didn't have to. Problem is, they decided to stop shooting at each other and start shooting at us. You didn't really think they got 6 years worth of guns and bombs replenished in a country where we own the roads and air, did you ;)
That's where all the $ was going, and the dem congress was tired of seeing our govt fund the killing of our soldiers. bush didn't like that, and vetoed it.
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Assuming the facts are as you say I have to disagree.. but you've been known to harbor "insane" and "absurd" views so I can't really take your word for it.
Well, go look up the Bears Sterns bailt of mid-march.
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Six weeks before 911, 12 or more of our allies notified us of the attack date, targets, and 5 of the attacker names.
Inexplicably, the FBI case in Hollywood FL against atta was instantly closed and all investigation stopped.
israel, german, cia, fbi - they ALL warned bush. FBI director arrived in middle of night to crawford with red lights blaring. Rememebr "Bin laden determined to attack in US" file? Well, the blacked out info in it contains details on the attack.
Why didn't bush act to stop it?
Again.. I find it amazing that these things haven't made headline news everyday for the last 7 years. That would mean there might be some truth there but I guess you're the only one that "sees the light" right? ;D
Allow me to repeat.. "but you've been known to harbor "insane" and "absurd" views so I can't really take your word for it."
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240, again, our government didn't spend any money, its an insurance policy, chase bought them at 2 dollars a share, and if it fails then chase is backed up to 30 billion, read up next time.
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Both McCain and Obama have qualities that I like. It is a shame that we have to tear one down to build the other one up.
also what troubles me is that both of them have to literally be approved by jews to win. Why should their views on Israel make a difference in a US election?
They both have to try and top each other on their level of financial and military support for Israel.
We give more money to israel that we spend on the poor here. How much aid do we give to Israel each year?
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They were not conditions.
They were measurements. Numbers. SOME form of accountability where the $3billion a week kept disappearing.
You see, Brix, we were quietly feeding guns and money to sunni and shiite insurgent groups to kill EACH OTHER so we didn't have to. Problem is, they decided to stop shooting at each other and start shooting at us. You didn't really think they got 6 years worth of guns and bombs replenished in a country where we own the roads and air, did you ;)
That's where all the $ was going, and the dem congress was tired of seeing our govt fund the killing of our soldiers. bush didn't like that, and vetoed it.
Gov't is wasteful.. can't argue there.
But your conspiracies have really gone off man.
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Again.. I find it amazing that these things haven't made headline news everyday for the last 7 years. That would mean there might be some truth there but I guess you're the only one that "sees the light" right? ;D
Do you want to talk about the relationship between NBC and parent company GE?
NBC reports the news and GE sells hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons to the USA every year.
Would you shoot your $600B Annual cash cow in the head because it was the "right thing to do"?
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240, your not addressing an issue where your wrong here, whats up?
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Well, go look up the Bears Sterns bailt of mid-march.
No time buddy.. I have a Skull and Bones meeting in an hour and then the white house is paying for my trip to Bora Bora tomorrow morning for that "favor" I did back in 05. Gotta pack.
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Gov't is wasteful.. can't argue there.
But your conspiracies have really gone off man.
look up the GAO govt accountability office.
THEY gave us this info. I sure didn't.
yes, we've been paying and arming the insurgents. Is this news to you?
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Do you want to talk about the relationship between NBC and parent company GE?
NBC reports the news and GE sells hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons to the USA every year.
Would you shoot your $600B Annual cash cow in the head because it was the "right thing to do"?
hahah... I guess you "really got me there" !!!!
We'll continue this later I'm sure.
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240, your not addressing an issue where your wrong here, whats up?
whic issue? i'm debating in 5 places at once. The "bailing them out at 2 cents?"
it's stil $2 billion in taxpayer dollars to bail out a private company. Even if $2bil is a really good deal.
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Our government didn't pay to bail them out, our government gave Chase basically an insurance policy. Think of it like what the fdic does.
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Both McCain and Obama have qualities that I like. It is a shame that we have to tear one down to build the other one up.
also what troubles me is that both of them have to literally be approved by jews to win. Why should their views on Israel make a difference in a US election?
They both have to try and top each other on their level of financial and military support for Israel.
We give more money to israel that we spend on the poor here. How much aid do we give to Israel each year?
Israel is the #1 recipient of US foreign aid, has been so for about 60 decades years. Most reports say in the region of 3 billion+ annually. Sometimes higher, 1997 was about 5.5 billion they claim. Plus the billions extra in interest payments the US pays on the initial sum given, as much of the aid given over the last 60 years was borrowed funds. Some studies have figures as high as an overall total of 50 billion dollars in interest payments alone for borrowing the money to give to Israel. Obviously I am only repeating what I read, and am not like the US treasurer or anything :D
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60 decades eh redhook? So I guess the native americans were helping israel too, interesting....
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60 decades eh redhook? So I guess the native americans were helping israel too, interesting....
Good pickup! I will edit! thanks!
Self owning yet again :-[
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(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/sect/election/main_page/obama.jpg)Barack Obama 48%
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/sect/election/main_page/mccain.jpg)John McCain 43%
how could mcbush be so high in the polls ? ???
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