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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Eldon on June 13, 2008, 08:15:14 AM
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Barack Obama on Taxes :o :o :o
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I didn't watch it.
High Taxes or Total Destruction?
I'll take high taxes.
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I didn't watch it.
High Taxes or Total Destruction?
I'll take high taxes.
Then you should remove the photo of Ron Paul, as he would never vote for Obama and his plans to increase taxes on millions of Americans
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Then you should remove the photo of Ron Paul, as he would never vote for Obama and his plans to increase capital gains on millions of Americans
All I can do to help prevent McCain from winning is vote for Obama.
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All I can do to help prevent McCain from winning is vote for Obama.
then you should remove the photo of Ron Paul and add a photo of Obama, because Obama is as far from Ron Paul politically as you can get.
Ron Paul = small government and tax cuts
Obama = Big Government and tax increases on millions of Americans
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No other comments from the GetBig Obama supporters ? :o :o :o
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Hillary looks like she's having the best day of her life while he's answering that question.
Another terrorist fist bump for the thread.
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do you think the guys in Gitmo do those fist bumps each day?
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No other comments from the GetBig Obama supporters ? :o :o :o
I thinbk people had no idea who or what Ron Paul was
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I thinbk people had no idea who or what Ron Paul was
If your talking about me...
I know, Obama is the exact opposite of Paul. That's kind of beside the point though.
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Are you two suggesting that you think McCain is closer to Paul on the Political spectrum than Obama?
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If you don't want high taxes eldon,... maybe you could talk these spend crazy neocon republicans to sit the fuck down and quit spending us to death.
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If you don't want high taxes eldon,... maybe you could talk these spend crazy neocon republicans to sit the fuck down and quit spending us to death.
McCain will do it Bush style and fuck our country even worse.
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As a ron paul fan, I don't see how you can vote for Obama. RPs, plans were the best of the democrats and republicans, I am just as upset as you to see him out of the race as I voted for him in the primaries. However, as much as we disagree with McCain's military ideas, you can't support Barack's socialistic ideas. The war will eventually end...the socialistic policies, once started, may not.
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Barack is ignoring facts on capital gains taxes to promote his own idea of fairness and redistribution of wealth. Unacceptible.
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Don't the numbers add up to military being that much more over the social aspects spending wise?
If Obama doubles spending on social programs for arguements sake, that would barely be anything compared to military spending - like for every $1 spent on social would still be $8 on military. And that is if he doubles the budget for social....
Although people jump on 'welfare moms' as a big issue, percentage wise welfare is just nothing, not even 1% really. Cutting back on that hardly seems luctative..
How did Bush rack up the debt rapidly and destroy the surplus Clinton left him with so efficently? He added no social programs?
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Don't the numbers add up to military being that much more over the social aspects spending wise?
If Obama doubles spending on social programs for arguements sake, that would barely be anything compared to military spending - like for every $1 spent on social would still be $8 on military. And that is if he doubles the budget for social....
Although people jump on 'welfare moms' as a big issue, percentage wise welfare is just nothing, not even 1% really. Cutting back on that hardly seems luctative..
How did Bush rack up the debt rapidly and destroy the surplus Clinton left him with so efficently? He added no social programs?
HEY! don't talk common sense here. It's about stereo types, brain-washed view points and ideologies.
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If you don't want high taxes eldon,... maybe you could talk these spend crazy neocon republicans to sit the fuck down and quit spending us to death.
almost every republican in office over the last 8 years should resign, for spending like they did.
the Democrats have had control now for close to 2 years come January, what cuts in spending have they come up with ? None
Did anyone see all the earmarks from the Democrats in the recent budget ? it was a joke
That is my point, all you people on here pushing Obama have no clue, this guy is the same as the rest, full of shit, and spin.
He is as far from Ron Paul as one can get.
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every republican that his been in office over the last 8 years should resign, for spending like they did.
the Democrats have had control now for close to 2 years come January, what cuts in spending have they come up with ? None
Did anyone see all the earmarks from the Democrats in the recent budget ? it was a joke
That is my point, all you people on here pushing Obama have no clue, this guy is the same as the rest, full of shit, and spin.
He is as far from Ron Paul as one can get.
So in your mind, McCain is the lesser of 2 evils?
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So in your mind, McCain is the lesser of 2 evils?
No. The lesser of two evils is electing Obama and putting republicans in the majority. He won't be able to pass gas and maybe the economy will correct itself to a certain extent. Clinton never had the chance to spend like Bush did. Good as it was for the economy, I'd rather the surplus were spent in america than afghanistan and Iraq. Even though I don't believe they can effectively manage a national healthcare plan it would have been better than spending all the money on bullshit.
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Ron Paul Obama
100% Right to Keep and Bear Arms yes no
100% Balanced Budget Voting yes no
Never Voted for a Tax Increase yes no
Condemns Cause of Housing Bubble yes no
Eliminate Federal Reserve Monopoly yes no
100% Against The "Patriot" Act yes no
100% Against Internet Taxation yes no
against Amnesty for illegals yes no
Against Special Treatment for Illegals yes no
Eliminate Need for Income Tax yes no
Pro-Life yes no
Raise taxes no yes
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So in your mind, McCain is the lesser of 2 evils?
yes, but barely I think they both stink.
both were for Amnesty.
I was for Ron Paul
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As a ron paul fan, I don't see how you can vote for Obama. RPs, plans were the best of the democrats and republicans, I am just as upset as you to see him out of the race as I voted for him in the primaries. However, as much as we disagree with McCain's military ideas, you can't support Barack's socialistic ideas. The war will eventually end...the socialistic policies, once started, may not.
oh brother... I guarantee you can stack up more anti-ron paul points with McCain than Obama. Wanna play, just let me know and we'll start listing.
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besides the war in Iraq, what does Ron Paul and Obama have in common politically ?
they are as far apart as 2 politicians could be with their views
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besides the war in Iraq, what does Ron Paul and Obama have in common politically ?
Both want the restoration of the constitution, and neither wants to see another 4 years of Bush policies
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Both want the restoration of the constitution, and neither wants to see another 4 years of Bush policies
Obama is a socialist, who couldn't care less about the constitution.
still waiting Hugo Chavez
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oh brother... I guarantee you can stack up more anti-ron paul points with McCain than Obama. Wanna play, just let me know and we'll start listing.
Cool, should be interesting...
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Like I said , besides the War, Paul and Obama are as far apart as 2 politicians could be with their views
Ron Paul Obama
100% Right to Keep and Bear Arms yes no
100% Balanced Budget Voting yes no
Never Voted for a Tax Increase yes no
Condemns Cause of Housing Bubble yes no
Eliminate Federal Reserve Monopoly yes no
100% Against The "Patriot" Act yes no
100% Against Internet Taxation yes no
against Amnesty for illegals yes no
against drivers license for illegals yes no
Against Special Treatment for Illegals yes no
Eliminate Need for Income Tax yes no
Pro-Life yes no
Raise taxes no yes
Pro United Nations no yes
National controlled healthcare no yes
ending the IRS yes no
raising the capitol gains tax no yes ( would be a tax increase on millions of Americans )
ending Birthright citizenship yes no
Bilderberg member no yes
CFR member no yes
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Lie I said , besides the War, Paul and Obama are as far apart as 2 politicians could be with their views
That's completely irrelevant because neither Obama nor Paul are running against each other.
Both however, are determined that America will not see a 3rd Bush presidency.
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that's completely irrelevant because neither Obama nor Paul are running against each other.
Both however, are determined that America will not see a 3rd Bush presidency.
It is relevent when people made it so with their previous statements in this discussion.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/1543380854_2cc2da79f6.jpg?v=0)
In 1976, Ron paul was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/1702927483_81c03897b1.jpg?v=0)
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man those are some cool pics.
you can tell those are real, you know. The smiles and happiness, not forced like today
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And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President.
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And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President.
and if they were, you couldn't vote for either.
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man those are some cool pics.
you can tell those are real, you know. The smiles and happiness, not forced like today
:)
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Ron Paul keeps it real. I'd really like to see Obama select him for veep.
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I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.
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I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.
Exactly, overall the people weren't/aren't ready. The next generation is always more open for true change and will run with the idea's he brought forward this election. There are instances of many new politicians that have just done that, so I'm hopeful.
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I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.
Ron Paul is an idiot.
And a religious nut.
Just like Barrack Obama.
Ron Paul wants USA to get out of the UN, how is that a "fantastic idea"?
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Ron Paul wants USA to get out of the UN, how is that a "fantastic idea"?
It is a fantastic idea (if you're looking out for Americas best interest). I think I understand a non Americans position though.
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Exactly, overall the people weren't/aren't ready. The next generation is always more open for true change and will run with the idea's he brought forward this election. There are instances of many new politicians that have just done that, so I'm hopeful.
Do not you think as he did not support Israel like mad that helped kill him? Just from a lay[wo]mans's point of view, it seems unless you profess your undying support and first born child to Israel, you are branded anti-American or the omnipresent 'supporter of terror'.
Am I off base there?
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Do not you think as he did not support Israel like mad that helped kill him? Just from a lay[wo]mans's point of view, it seems unless you profess your undying support and first born child to Israel, you are branded anti-American or the omnipresent 'supporter of terror'.
Am I off base there?
Nope, ...that sums it up quite succinctly.
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Both want the restoration of the constitution, and neither wants to see another 4 years of Bush policies
Barack may be a bigger Socialist than Hillary.
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"And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President" :'(
Yeah, CQ, when we get the majority of troops out of Iraq, there will be a lot more $ available to pay down our debt. That is absolutely necessary. I hope we can draw down troops quickly.
Entitlement programs make up far more than 1% of gov spending, it is a significant issue. The biggest travisty, however, is the interest we pay on our national debt (and get zero for!). Thats why the next president must make spending cuts across the board. No one seems to respect that our national debt is almost 10 trillion dollars and the interest paid is one of our largest federal expenses.
The actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2006. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:
$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$548.8 billion (+9.0%) - Defense[2]
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$294.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$23.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government
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About the costs of the war:
Much of the costs of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war until FY2008 have been funded through supplemental appropriations or emergency supplemental appropriations, which are treated differently than regular appropriations
Determining the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is complex. CBO has estimated that "war-related defense activities" in 2007 were "roughly $115 billion. Bush asked for additional appropriations in 2008. The war is helping to bankrupt our country.
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About the costs of the war:
Much of the costs of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war until FY2008 have been funded through supplemental appropriations or emergency supplemental appropriations, which are treated differently than regular appropriations
Determining the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is complex. CBO has estimated that "war-related defense activities" in 2007 were "roughly $115 billion.
a LOT of money is just disappearing.
It's like we're taking it from China and just shipping it overseas
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Pretty much....we're borrowing $ from countries like China to fund the war. What a colossal mistake going in there.
I can't emphasize enough that one of our largest federal expenditures is interest on our debt. If we were a company, we would have folded.
I don't doubt that McCain and Obama both will be better than Bush but I see very few similarities between Obama and Ron Paul. We need someone with many of Ron's ideas but Obama's energy and poise. Put Obama and Paul together and mix em...then I'd be very happy and optimistic about the next president. Socialism is bigger gov with more control over the people and the private sector. Obama is going down that road with his policies and we must be very careful.
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Pretty much....we're borrowing $ from countries like China to fund the war. What a colossal mistake going in there.
I can't emphasize enough that one of our largest federal expenditures is interest on our debt. If we were a company, we would have folded.
I don't doubt that McCain and Obama both will be better than Bush but I see very few similarities between Obama and Ron Paul. We need someone with many of Ron's ideas but Obama's energy and poise. Put Obama and Paul together and mix em...then I'd be very happy and optimistic about the next president. Socialism is bigger gov with more control over the people and the private sector. Obama is going down that road with his policies and we must be very careful.
You think Ron Paul would have the balls to slim down the government, minimize the military and raise taxes until the national debt is gone?
Seriously, c'mon. Ron Paul has been caucausing with the Republicans since day one.
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You think Ron Paul would have the balls to slim down the government, minimize the military and raise taxes until the national debt is gone?
Seriously, c'mon. Ron Paul has been caucausing with the Republicans since day one.
Do you read?
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Do you read?
sparingly, from prisonplanet.com
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Yes, I do. Ron Paul has been very consistant with his views, his voting record in the senate reflects this. He has bucked the republicans and the government. You can criticize him for some things but not his integrity or consistency on these issues. Paul is someone who is old enough and wise enough to put sound principle above personal advancement and greed. Thats the biggest positive about him.
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Barack may be a bigger Socialist than Hillary.
Yep. :-\
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Yeah, CQ, when we get the majority of troops out of Iraq, there will be a lot more $ available to pay down our debt. That is absolutely necessary. I hope we can draw down troops quickly.
The biggest travisty, however, is the interest we pay on our national debt (and get zero for!). Thats why the next president must make spending cuts across the board. No one seems to respect that our national debt is almost 10 trillion dollars and the interest paid is one of our largest federal expenses.
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$23.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
Very interesting to read, I had long though the debt was a major issue, and had noted the interest payments.
Looking at those numbers, the debt interest payments being higher that all the ones listed below, it is quite scary when one sees they spend more on paying interest on debt than education, vets benefits, justice etc.
It's like an ostrich issue, people pretend the debt is no biggie, when it is.