Barack Obama on Taxes

[Eldon]

Both want the restoration of the constitution, and neither wants to see another 4 years of Bush policies

Obama is a socialist, who couldn't care less about the constitution.



still waiting Hugo Chavez

[Eyeball Chambers]

oh brother... I guarantee you can stack up more anti-ron paul points with McCain than Obama.  Wanna play, just let me know and we'll start listing.

Cool, should be interesting...

[Eldon]

Like I said , besides the War, Paul and Obama are as far apart as 2 politicians could be with their views




                                                Ron Paul     Obama

100% Right to Keep and Bear Arms     yes         no                                     

100% Balanced Budget Voting          yes           no

Never Voted for a Tax Increase        yes          no

Condemns Cause of Housing Bubble    yes        no

Eliminate Federal Reserve Monopoly    yes         no

100% Against The "Patriot" Act         yes         no

100% Against Internet Taxation         yes       no

against Amnesty for illegals               yes        no

against drivers license for illegals        yes      no

Against Special Treatment for Illegals  yes       no

Eliminate Need for Income Tax           yes       no

Pro-Life                                         yes       no

Raise taxes                                     no       yes

Pro United Nations                            no       yes

National controlled healthcare             no       yes

ending the IRS                                 yes      no

raising the capitol gains tax                no      yes         ( would be a tax increase on millions of Americans )

ending Birthright citizenship               yes       no

Bilderberg  member                            no     yes

CFR member                                     no    yes

[24KT]

Lie I said , besides the War, Paul and Obama are as far apart as 2 politicians could be with their views

That's completely irrelevant because neither Obama nor Paul are running against each other.
Both however, are determined that America will not see a 3^rd Bush presidency.

[Eldon]

that's completely irrelevant because neither Obama nor Paul are running against each other.
Both however, are determined that America will not see a 3rd Bush presidency.

It is relevent when people made it so with their previous statements in this discussion.










In 1976, Ron paul was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president.

[youandme]

man those are some cool pics.

you can tell those are real, you know. The smiles and happiness, not forced like today

[24KT]

And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President.

[Eldon]

And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President.

and if they were, you couldn't vote for either.

[Eldon]

man those are some cool pics.

you can tell those are real, you know. The smiles and happiness, not forced like today

 

[240 is Back]

Ron Paul keeps it real.  I'd really like to see Obama select him for veep.

[CQ]

I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.

Exactly, overall the people weren't/aren't ready.   The next generation is always more open for true change and will run with the idea's he brought forward this election. There are instances of many new politicians that have just done that, so I'm hopeful.

[Hedgehog]

I think Ron Paul also had fantastic ideas, prolly just too radical for the average voter to comprehend. Shame really.

Ron Paul is an idiot.

And a religious nut.

Just like Barrack Obama.

Ron Paul wants USA to get out of the UN, how is that a "fantastic idea"?

[Eyeball Chambers]

Ron Paul wants USA to get out of the UN, how is that a "fantastic idea"?

It is a fantastic idea (if you're looking out for Americas best interest).  I think I understand a non Americans position though.

[CQ]

Exactly, overall the people weren't/aren't ready.   The next generation is always more open for true change and will run with the idea's he brought forward this election. There are instances of many new politicians that have just done that, so I'm hopeful.

Do not you think as he did not support Israel like mad that helped kill him? Just from a lay[wo]mans's point of view, it seems unless you profess your undying support and first born child to Israel, you are branded anti-American or the omnipresent 'supporter of terror'.

Am I off base there?

[24KT]

Do not you think as he did not support Israel like mad that helped kill him? Just from a lay[wo]mans's point of view, it seems unless you profess your undying support and first born child to Israel, you are branded anti-American or the omnipresent 'supporter of terror'.

Am I off base there?

Nope, ...that sums it up quite succinctly.

[drkaje]

Both want the restoration of the constitution, and neither wants to see another 4 years of Bush policies

Barack may be a bigger Socialist than Hillary.

[shootfighter1]

"And neither Ron Paul, ...nor Ronald Reagan are running for President"   

Yeah, CQ, when we get the majority of troops out of Iraq, there will be a lot more $ available to pay down our debt.  That is absolutely necessary.  I hope we can draw down troops quickly.

Entitlement programs make up far more than 1% of gov spending, it is a significant issue.  The biggest travisty, however, is the interest we pay on our national debt (and get zero for!).  Thats why the next president must make spending cuts across the board.  No one seems to respect that our national debt is almost 10 trillion dollars and the interest paid is one of our largest federal expenses.

The actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2006. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$548.8 billion (+9.0%) - Defense[2]
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$294.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$23.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government

[shootfighter1]

About the costs of the war:

Much of the costs of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war until FY2008 have been funded through supplemental appropriations or emergency supplemental appropriations, which are treated differently than regular appropriations
Determining the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is complex. CBO has estimated that "war-related defense activities" in 2007 were "roughly $115 billion.  Bush asked for additional appropriations in 2008.  The war is helping to bankrupt our country.

[240 is Back]

About the costs of the war:

Much of the costs of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war until FY2008 have been funded through supplemental appropriations or emergency supplemental appropriations, which are treated differently than regular appropriations
Determining the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is complex. CBO has estimated that "war-related defense activities" in 2007 were "roughly $115 billion.

a LOT of money is just disappearing.

It's like we're taking it from China and just shipping it overseas

[shootfighter1]

Pretty much....we're borrowing $ from countries like China to fund the war.  What a colossal mistake going in there.
I can't emphasize enough that one of our largest federal expenditures is interest on our debt.  If we were a company, we would have folded.
I don't doubt that McCain and Obama both will be better than Bush but I see very few similarities between Obama and Ron Paul.  We need someone with many of Ron's ideas but Obama's energy and poise.  Put Obama and Paul together and mix em...then I'd be very happy and optimistic about the next president.  Socialism is bigger gov with more control over the people and the private sector.  Obama is going down that road with his policies and we must be very careful.

[Hedgehog]

Pretty much....we're borrowing $ from countries like China to fund the war.  What a colossal mistake going in there.
I can't emphasize enough that one of our largest federal expenditures is interest on our debt.  If we were a company, we would have folded.
I don't doubt that McCain and Obama both will be better than Bush but I see very few similarities between Obama and Ron Paul.  We need someone with many of Ron's ideas but Obama's energy and poise.  Put Obama and Paul together and mix em...then I'd be very happy and optimistic about the next president.  Socialism is bigger gov with more control over the people and the private sector.  Obama is going down that road with his policies and we must be very careful.

You think Ron Paul would have the balls to slim down the government, minimize the military and raise taxes until the national debt is gone?

Seriously, c'mon. Ron Paul has been caucausing with the Republicans since day one.

[Bindare_Dundat]

You think Ron Paul would have the balls to slim down the government, minimize the military and raise taxes until the national debt is gone?

Seriously, c'mon. Ron Paul has been caucausing with the Republicans since day one.

Do you read?

[youandme]

Do you read?

sparingly, from prisonplanet.com

[shootfighter1]

Yes, I do.  Ron Paul has been very consistant with his views, his voting record in the senate reflects this.  He has bucked the republicans and the government.  You can criticize him for some things but not his integrity or consistency on these issues.  Paul is someone who is old enough and wise enough to put sound principle above personal advancement and greed.  Thats the biggest positive about him.