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both exercises r shoulder killers...
speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip :-X
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on a smith machine ill do presses from the back but i cant get the pull down bar to go behind my head so i dont do those
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Shoulders are uneven, after accident, so upright rows are a no-no.
Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.
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I love behind the neck military presses. Risky or not it is just the most effective for me..by miles.
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never do upright rows very heavy, just keep them low weight to pump.
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Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.
Agreed, they're different & effective. Keep the tension on, use partial ROMs avoiding the bottom under control with no bouncing, keep the reps moderate or higher and there shouldn't be a problem with pulldowns, chins or press behind neck.
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my spine is misaligned so i an VERY carefull trainin shoulders..i need to see a chiro and will soon...
i cant even squat..and my right shoulder is constantly numb..the left one constantly in pain :(
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I love behind the neck military presses. Risky or not it is just the most effective for me..by miles.
I agree, I do them lightweight and slow though, great muscle connection
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Shoulders are uneven, after accident, so upright rows are a no-no.
Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.
Yeah it feels different because it's destroying the rotator cuff!
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Yeah it feels different because it's destroying the rotator cuff!
Epic_Bullshit 8)
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Epic_Bullshit 8)
No it's a fact my wizzle! This is an exercise that places the shoulder joint into the dislocation position and the range of motion puts unnecessary stress on the rotator cuff tendons of the shoulders.
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No it's a fact my wizzle! This is an exercise that places the shoulder joint into the dislocation position and the range of motion puts unnecessary stress on the rotator cuff tendons of the shoulders.
I'll repeat what you ignored-don't do full ROM, avoid the bottom portion and don't use excessively heavy weight that can't be fully controlled. Emphasize contant tension and burn, which works beautifully on areas like delts BTW The problem you're claiming is called shoulder impingement, which is happening for the most part at the bottom portions of ROM where there's maximimum flex in chins, pulldowns and presses. Avoid those areas.
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Exactly - use some common sense and btn-presses won't kill you.
p.s.: Borat approved
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i have poor shoulders, but they work still..lol...but i do this two exercises AND wide grip upright rows and i dont have problems with pain....
im doing these exactly trying to bring my shoulders up...
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both exercises r shoulder killers...
speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip :-X
I still do behind the neck pull downs but for shoulder presses I would rather do them to the front. Less stress on the shoulder joints.
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behind the neck anythign has never been that comfortable for me.
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alot of old guys at the gym with bad shoulder still do presses and pulldowns to the back :)
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Some people can do these with no problem of cause for concern to their shoulders while others cannot. Same for upright rows. Just because someone can't do them doesn't really mean they are bad for everyone.
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Agreed, they're different & effective. Keep the tension on, use partial ROMs avoiding the bottom under control with no bouncing, keep the reps moderate or higher and there shouldn't be a problem with pulldowns, chins or press behind neck.
Fuck your an idiot.
Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.
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both exercises r shoulder killers...
speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip :-X
Damn right. I tell people to stay away from these movements. The ones that don't listen, will find out why in due time.....
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Fuck your an idiot.
Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.
I second this. It can't hurt to have someone with actual knowledge helping people out in the Rehab board.
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Fuck your an idiot.
Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.
Meltdown no. 3 just today; actually Ron and others put me there you tool. I'm glad to help, unlike you sitting back doing absolutely nothing other than worshiping tigers balls lol in between hissy fits. Everyone knows my advice is as good or better than anyone else on there or elsewhere. First learn to spell, you write a column and are constantly challenged on basic words like women instead of woman ROFLMAO
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I second this. It can't hurt to have someone with actual knowledge helping people out in the Rehab board.
Get on there genius i look forward to it. If you hadn't been lazy you could have been on there long ago.
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Fuck your an idiot.
Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.
Then again you think deadlifts are dangerous ::)
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Then again you think deadlifts are dangerous ::)
Were you expecting common sense from this twit? He actually thinks he's knowledgeable, mainly on the basis of anointing himself "coach" hahahaahahahaha
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Then again you think deadlifts are dangerous ::)
When did I say that?? I specifically said that dead had no place in BODYBUILDING for aesthetic purposes.
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When did I say that?? I specifically said that dead had no place in BODYBUILDING for aesthetic purposes.
Backpeddle #23 just this week.
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Fuck your an idiot.
Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.
Looks like a scam.
Pumpster's sure-to-injure advice leading a deluge of clients for Loco Rehab LLC.
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Question from the rehab board;
What's up all. Recently after some major back pain and a trip to the doctor's, I was diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back. I've had back pain off and on for the last 20 years (will be 40 soon), but this time it felt somewhat different.
Should I just stick with Hammer Strength machines for working out my lower back? I'm just trying to get to a point where I don't make the condition worse, and build up strength back there. I've been working out solidly for about 12 years now (but only really began to know what I was doing within the last four), and have focused on my lower back with deadlifting, bent over rows, etc. But now the doc says these are probably out of the question now.
Any advice or direction as to what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Pumpsters answer;
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain. Find the exercises that do that and use those with high reps. Machines, rack pulls, hyperextensions whatever works with high reps and no pain is the priority, not rigidly sticking to certain exercises that do cause problems, because those problems will only get worse.
Besides high reps also ensure good warmups first.
If hypothetically you can't find anything that works without causing pain (unlikely) just do other basic exercises that indirectly hit the lower back, like various forms of squats.
You my retarted friend are dangerous to anyone dumb enough to listen to you.
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Question from the rehab board;
What's up all. Recently after some major back pain and a trip to the doctor's, I was diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back. I've had back pain off and on for the last 20 years (will be 40 soon), but this time it felt somewhat different.
Should I just stick with Hammer Strength machines for working out my lower back? I'm just trying to get to a point where I don't make the condition worse, and build up strength back there. I've been working out solidly for about 12 years now (but only really began to know what I was doing within the last four), and have focused on my lower back with deadlifting, bent over rows, etc. But now the doc says these are probably out of the question now.
Any advice or direction as to what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Pumpsters answer;
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain. Find the exercises that do that and use those with high reps. Machines, rack pulls, hyperextensions whatever works with high reps and no pain is the priority, not rigidly sticking to certain exercises that do cause problems, because those problems will only get worse.
Besides high reps also ensure good warmups first.
If hypothetically you can't find anything that works without causing pain (unlikely) just do other basic exercises that indirectly hit the lower back, like various forms of squats.
You my retarted friend are dangerous to anyone dumb enough to listen to you.
Obviously this twit is hanging on every word, based on his lack of any helpful info whatsoever here or anywere else including training. The main obsession is clearly me.
First junior, get the damn GED and learn to spell, easy-reader. :-*
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Looks like a scam.
Pumpster's sure-to-injure advice leading a deluge of clients for Loco Rehab LLC.
It is, please send money since you're smart and figured it out.
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When did I say that?? I specifically said that dead had no place in BODYBUILDING for aesthetic purposes.
You once said something about it being "too risky" safety wise. I remember it pretty clearly but too lazy to search for the post.
I do disagree about the bodybuilding application too though. Are squats okay or are you like Gironda who thought squats will only give you a big ass? :D
Aesthetics are mainly genetic and deads won't give anyone a wide waist much like squats won't give you a big ass unless you're built like that.
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Question from the rehab board;
What's up all. Recently after some major back pain and a trip to the doctor's, I was diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back. I've had back pain off and on for the last 20 years (will be 40 soon), but this time it felt somewhat different.
Should I just stick with Hammer Strength machines for working out my lower back? I'm just trying to get to a point where I don't make the condition worse, and build up strength back there. I've been working out solidly for about 12 years now (but only really began to know what I was doing within the last four), and have focused on my lower back with deadlifting, bent over rows, etc. But now the doc says these are probably out of the question now.
Any advice or direction as to what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Pumpsters answer;
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain. Find the exercises that do that and use those with high reps. Machines, rack pulls, hyperextensions whatever works with high reps and no pain is the priority, not rigidly sticking to certain exercises that do cause problems, because those problems will only get worse.
Besides high reps also ensure good warmups first.
If hypothetically you can't find anything that works without causing pain (unlikely) just do other basic exercises that indirectly hit the lower back, like various forms of squats.
You my retarted friend are dangerous to anyone dumb enough to listen to you.
Just to add....this poor dude has arthritis.
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Never been on the rehab board - but pumpster sure does a good job ;D
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Easy-reader it's long past time for you to get away from your fascination with my posts in lieu of any content whatsoever on your part, and to begin imparting your own vast knowledge. Get to it you've been friggin lazy so far.
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Question from the rehab board;
What's up all. Recently after some major back pain and a trip to the doctor's, I was diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back. I've had back pain off and on for the last 20 years (will be 40 soon), but this time it felt somewhat different.
Should I just stick with Hammer Strength machines for working out my lower back? I'm just trying to get to a point where I don't make the condition worse, and build up strength back there. I've been working out solidly for about 12 years now (but only really began to know what I was doing within the last four), and have focused on my lower back with deadlifting, bent over rows, etc. But now the doc says these are probably out of the question now.
Any advice or direction as to what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Pumpsters answer;
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain. Find the exercises that do that and use those with high reps. Machines, rack pulls, hyperextensions whatever works with high reps and no pain is the priority, not rigidly sticking to certain exercises that do cause problems, because those problems will only get worse.
Besides high reps also ensure good warmups first.
If hypothetically you can't find anything that works without causing pain (unlikely) just do other basic exercises that indirectly hit the lower back, like various forms of squats.
You my retarted friend are dangerous to anyone dumb enough to listen to you.
Now I don't claim to be rehab expert but that sounds like good advice to me. If you have back pain you want to strengthen the musculature in the area. Avoiding loading never really resolves these issues long-term from what I've seen. I specifically remember a TV program where back pain specialists forced patients to do painful exercises and movements because avoiding loading won't help unless it's just an acute injury.
Personally I've seen peoples back issues resolving once they started doing deadlifts.
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My response to your personal message Pumpster (LOL. he blocked my IM)
Dude, you need to go over the posts I wrote on the rehab board. Do you realize what kind of people I work with everyday for the past 15 years? You don't advise a direct movement like "rack pulls" to someone with arthritis.
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My response to your personal message Pumpster (LOL. he blocked my IM)
Dude, you need to go over the posts I wrote on the rehab board. Do you realize what kind of people I work with everyday for the past 15 years? You don't advise a direct movement like "rack pulls" to someone with arthritis.
I'm interested in how you would train an arthritis patient with back problems specifically. Should they avoid all spinal loading?
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Girdona had more of the kind of experience that i have-decades of training, injuries to deal with and an inquisitive mind, unlike someone who really believes that theory and books alone are the answer. Obviously not, based on your complete lack of useful posts on training & accompanying arrogance. Basically i've been training and have been familiar with Gironda longer than you've been alive lol
Get off your lazy azz and start producing useful training or injury information, i see nothing.
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Now I don't claim to be rehab expert but that sounds like good advice to me. If you have back pain you want to strengthen the musculature in the area. Avoiding loading never really resolves these issues long-term from what I've seen. I specifically remember a TV program where back pain specialists forced patients to do painful exercises and movements because avoiding loading won't help unless it's just an acute injury.
Personally I've seen peoples back issues resolving once they started doing deadlifts.
It's just not back pain this guy is dealing with, if was just back pain....well then take a look at this thread and my response;
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162586.0
This guy is dealing with arthritis, you do your best to strengthen without inflamming the effected area. There are 100 way to train lower back without doing isolation movements. The poor guys back is inalready enough pain and this clown wants to hit it directly with high rep isolated exercises. This guy would be cripple for 2 weeks.
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It's just not back pain this guy is dealing with, if was just back pain....well then take a look at this thread and my response;
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162586.0
This guy is dealing with arthritis, you do your best to strengthen without inflamming the effected area. There are 100 way to train lower back without doing isolation movements. The poor guys back is inalready enough pain and this clown wants to hit it directly with high rep isolated exercises. This guy would be cripple for 2 weeks.
Get off yer azz, spend less time with your petty jealousies and start posting more than scattered training content for a change, "coach". It appears that we have a coach in name only.
When you read what's in that link, it's immediately obvious that we have a know-it-all here, folks!
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Girdona had more of the kind of experience that i have-decades of training, injuries to deal with and an inquisitive mind, unlike someone who really believes that theory and books alone are the answer. Obviously not, based on your complete lack of useful posts on training & accompanying arrogance. Basically i've been training and have been familiar with Gironda longer than you've been alive lol
Get off your lazy azz and start producing useful training or injury information, i see nothing.
Get with the fucking program Pumpster, the world has progressed light years since his death. If you want to use some of his methods for actual BBing fine......not for rehab.
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Get off yer azz, spend less time with your petty jealousies and start posting more than scattered training content for a change, "coach". It appears that we have a coach in name only.
Read the thread retard and you'll learn
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Get with the fucking program Pumpster, the world has progressed light years since his death. If you want to use some of his methods for actual BBing fine......not for rehab.
Dude you corrected everyone in that link, including other mods. Only you know what's best-what an arrogant POS bwahaahahahahaahahahahah a I'm not impressed with your advice either, you suck big time which is where your jealousy comes from tough guy. :-*
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the only way to strengthen your low back and psoas to get back your original strength is to train your low back indirectly by doing unilateral leg training (light and progressivly working heavier) then after a 2-3 weeks progressing to two legs then eventually adding loads. incorporating core work such as working transverse abdominus will also be a huge benefit.
WRONG-no one with intelligence would claim that there's only "one way". What a douchebag! On top of that i don't agree with the suggestion made.
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Dude you corrected everyone in that link, including other mods. Only you know what's best-what an arrogant POS bwahaahahahahaahahahahah a I'm not impressed with your advice either, you suck big time which is where your jealousy comes from tough guy. :-*
You didn't read it did you. I agreed with alot people in that thread.
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What's readily noticable is your hostility issues with virtually everyone on that thread. Typical of a know-it-all to condescend to those who "don't know better and have to be corrected", harruph! You're a classic but don't know it!! hahahahhahahaha thanx for the link that was hilarious.
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is bowflex good equipment for rehab work?
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What's readily noticable is your hostility issues with virtually everyone on that thread. Typical of a know-it-all to condescend to those who "don't know better and have to be corrected", harruph! You're a classic but don't know it!! hahahahhahahaha
Maybe you missed this part;
Now Wooo.....Coach seems to know his shit.....and is trying to give you some sound advice. Yet, you dotn seem to want to listen. You hurt yourself, and you need to rehab your back. YOU are the one who is retarded and will not listen. You like 80% of the athletes that come into my office for treatment. YOu whine and cry about your injury and when given a solution you think people are bullshittting you and holding back from giving you the "holy grail" of exercises that will magically fix you . This is why I dont exactly like treating athletes as patients.
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is bowflex good equipment for rehab work?
If that's your thing, go with it.
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Question from the rehab board;
What's up all. Recently after some major back pain and a trip to the doctor's, I was diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back. I've had back pain off and on for the last 20 years (will be 40 soon), but this time it felt somewhat different.
Should I just stick with Hammer Strength machines for working out my lower back? I'm just trying to get to a point where I don't make the condition worse, and build up strength back there. I've been working out solidly for about 12 years now (but only really began to know what I was doing within the last four), and have focused on my lower back with deadlifting, bent over rows, etc. But now the doc says these are probably out of the question now.
Any advice or direction as to what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Pumpsters answer;
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain.
Find the exercises that do that and use those with high reps. Machines, rack pulls, hyperextensions whatever works with high reps and no pain is the priority, not rigidly sticking to certain exercises that do cause problems, because those problems will only get worse.
Besides high reps also ensure good warmups first.
If hypothetically you can't find anything that works without causing pain (unlikely) just do other basic exercises that indirectly hit the lower back, like various forms of squats.
You my retarted friend are dangerous to anyone dumb enough to listen to you.
At this point, what you want to find are exercises that work the back without causing any bad pain.
I don't think that that seems like particularly bad advice. He just says the guy should experiment a bit.
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It is, please send money since you're smart and figured it out.
Your Logic is as solid as your lifting 'advices'.
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It's amazing to see a meltdown of these proportions.
Coach, keep up the good advice. You know your shit.
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Your Logic is as solid as your lifting 'advices'.
Weak & boring. Next
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Weak & boring. Next
Good going ! If you can keep all your posts on the training forum to those 4 words you can reduce the damage you do to the ignorant by close to 100%.
You can do this. Think of your fellow man, think keyboard inactivity.
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pumpster seems like a decent guy
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Bottom line, people need to stop melting down and crying when one person disagrees with him.
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pumpster seems like a decent guy
I kept quite about his "advice" that he was giving on the rehab board until he started giving me crap out of the blue for no reason. Before that I don't think we said two words to one another let alone respond to his posts.