does anyone still do pulldowns and barbell presses to the back?

[ToxicAvenger]

both exercises r shoulder killers...

speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip 

[candidizzle]

on a smith machine ill do presses from the back but i cant get the pull down bar to go behind my head so i dont do those

[_bruce_]

Shoulders are uneven, after accident, so upright rows are a no-no.
Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.

[TrueGrit]

I love behind the neck military presses. Risky or not it is just the most effective for me..by miles.

[Mars]

never do upright rows very heavy, just keep them low weight to pump.

[pumpster]

Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.

Agreed, they're different & effective. Keep the tension on, use partial ROMs avoiding the bottom under control with no bouncing, keep the reps moderate or higher and there shouldn't be a problem with pulldowns, chins or press behind neck.

[ToxicAvenger]

my spine is misaligned so i an VERY carefull trainin shoulders..i need to see a chiro and will soon...

i cant even squat..and my right shoulder is constantly numb..the left one constantly in pain 

[spinnis]

I love behind the neck military presses. Risky or not it is just the most effective for me..by miles.

I agree, I do them lightweight and slow though, great muscle connection

[Epic_Monster]

Shoulders are uneven, after accident, so upright rows are a no-no.
Barbell presses behind the neck are awesome - totally different feel than doing them in front.

Yeah it feels different because it's destroying the rotator cuff!

[_bruce_]

Yeah it feels different because it's destroying the rotator cuff!

Epic_Bullshit 

[Epic_Monster]

Epic_Bullshit 

No it's a fact my wizzle! This is an exercise that places the shoulder joint into the dislocation position and the range of motion puts unnecessary stress on the rotator cuff tendons of the shoulders.

[pumpster]

No it's a fact my wizzle! This is an exercise that places the shoulder joint into the dislocation position and the range of motion puts unnecessary stress on the rotator cuff tendons of the shoulders.

I'll repeat what you ignored-don't do full ROM, avoid the bottom portion and don't use excessively heavy weight that can't be fully controlled. Emphasize contant tension and burn, which works beautifully on areas like delts BTW The problem you're claiming is called shoulder impingement, which is happening for the most part at the bottom portions of ROM where there's maximimum flex in chins, pulldowns and presses. Avoid those areas.

[_bruce_]

Exactly - use some common sense and btn-presses won't kill you.

p.s.: Borat approved

[Petrucci]

i have poor shoulders, but they work still..lol...but i do this two exercises AND wide grip upright rows and i dont have problems with pain....


im doing these exactly trying to bring my shoulders up...

[Playboy]

both exercises r shoulder killers...

speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip 

I still do behind the neck pull downs but for shoulder presses I would rather do them to the front. Less stress on the shoulder joints.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

behind the neck anythign has never been that comfortable for me.

[flexingtonsteele]

alot of old guys at the gym with bad shoulder still do presses and pulldowns to the back

[Emmortal]

Some people can do these with no problem of cause for concern  to their shoulders while others cannot.  Same for upright rows.  Just because someone can't do them doesn't really mean they are bad for everyone.

[The Coach]

Agreed, they're different & effective. Keep the tension on, use partial ROMs avoiding the bottom under control with no bouncing, keep the reps moderate or higher and there shouldn't be a problem with pulldowns, chins or press behind neck.

Fuck your an idiot.

Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.

[gordiano]

both exercises r shoulder killers...

speaking of..so r upright rows with a wide grip 

Damn right. I tell people to stay away from these movements. The ones that don't listen, will find out why in due time.....

[gordiano]

Fuck your an idiot.

Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.

I second this. It can't hurt to have someone with actual knowledge helping people out in the Rehab board.

[pumpster]

Fuck your an idiot.

Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.

Meltdown no. 3 just today; actually Ron and others put me there you tool. I'm glad to help, unlike you sitting back doing absolutely nothing other than worshiping tigers balls lol in between hissy fits. Everyone knows my advice is as good or better than anyone else on there or elsewhere. First learn to spell, you write a column and are constantly challenged on basic words like women instead of woman ROFLMAO

[pumpster]

I second this. It can't hurt to have someone with actual knowledge helping people out in the Rehab board.

Get on there genius i look forward to it. If you hadn't been lazy you could have been on there long ago.

[Van_Bilderass]

Fuck your an idiot.

Ron, I'm making an official complaint to get this clown off the rehab board and replace him with me. He obviously hasn't a clue about training or rehab for that matter.

Then again you think deadlifts are dangerous   

[pumpster]

Then again you think deadlifts are dangerous   

Were you expecting common sense from this twit? He actually thinks he's knowledgeable, mainly on the basis of anointing himself "coach" hahahaahahahaha