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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
Europe would not take a single one of you back in...
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but they do take south americans! for maid and picking up fruit... :'(
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Europe would not take a single one of you back in...
Their burgeoning Muslim population is proof positive they take anybody.
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Europe would not take a single one of you back in...
I know you guys would be pissed, we would bring our SUV's, guns, country music and american football with us!
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Their burgeoning Muslim population is proof positive they take anybody.
That would be the first order of business for "americans in europe" take care of the muslims.
Give us about 2 weeks and we'll clean Europe of that scum.
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That would be the first order of business for "americans in europe" take care of the muslims.
Give us about 2 weeks and we'll clean Europe of that scum.
Clearly, European employers would give hiring preferences to Americans, since we wouldn't insist on a 6-hour work day, three-hour nap in the middle of the afternoon, and 15 weeks of vacation a year. Shit, with American workers european companies might actually get something done for a change.
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
American's hate most illegal immigrants ;) there is a right way into this country and a wrong way and I hold nothing against anyone striving to improve , starting off by braking the law is not a good way to start off
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Their burgeoning Muslim population is proof positive they take anybody.
By 2090 Europe will have a muslim majority at the rate things are going.
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You guys better grow your beards out if you're planning on coming.
Clearly, European employers would give hiring preferences to Americans, since we wouldn't insist on a 6-hour work day, three-hour nap in the middle of the afternoon, and 15 weeks of vacation a year. Shit, with American workers european companies might actually get something done for a change.
What european country are you here fantasising about?
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By 2090 Europe will have a muslim majority at the rate things are going.
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You guys better grow your beards out if you're planning on coming.
What european country are you here fantasising about?
People can talk all the shit they want about US wars but we don't have the muslim problem you guys have.
Thats why Europe needs some Americans over there.... if there is one thing were good at its KICKING ASS.
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People can talk all the shit they want about US wars but we don't have the muslim problem you guys have.
Thats why Europe needs some Americans over there.... if there is one thing were good at its KICKING ASS.
"God Bless America, (and nowhere else)"
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What european country are you here fantasising about?
I was exaggerating to make a point, but you get the point, right? European workers on average are like 80% as productive per worker as their American counterparts because they don't place the emphasis and importance on work that we do.
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I was exaggerating to make a point, but you get the point, right? European workers on average are like 80% as productive per worker as their American counterparts because they don't place the emphasis and importance on work that we do.
That's because in socialist countries, everyone achieves the same, no matter how hard they work.
Notice, though, that many of the immigrants we know in this country possess a tremendous work ethic.
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I'd rather live here than anywhere else. USA ain't perfect, but I sure wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
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I was exaggerating to make a point, but you get the point, right? European workers on average are like 80% as productive per worker as their American counterparts because they don't place the emphasis and importance on work that we do.
There is a big difference between e.g. Greek and German/Nordic work ethic. In a lot of european countries the productivity is actually higher than in US. I'm sure that in the US there will be big regional differences as well.
That's because in socialist countries, everyone achieves the same, no matter how hard they work.
Lol. You guys seem to think that the communist parties rule Europe. Western/Northern Europe is not that different than USA. The taxes are generally higher for the higher incomes compared to the lower incomes. So i guess that's a "socialist" aspect. Some say this money is spent on the welfare system, education, etc... to help the less fortunate.
For the average man i think the european system is better imo. But personally i lean more to the american brute capitalism, because it would financially be a lot better for me ;D. In a couple of years i'll probably be outta here anyway.
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Their burgeoning Muslim population is proof positive they take anybody.
Your Mrs could not be trusted to stay faithful in Europe then
ta ta
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
Their economy is tied into ours also - if we do go down we will take allot of places with us. Furthermore, the US is the military might for much of western Europe so they REALLY (at least those with half a brain) don't want to see us fuck up - Russia will be back to their old tricks. BTW I lived and worked in Norway for 3 years, and beleive me Russia would love to take a chunk of their fishing lanes and oil drilling areas in the North Sea. When I was their there was an incident with a Russian fishing boat that bassically kidnapped some Norwegian coast guardmen when they boarded their ship (the Russians were steeling their fish) - the fucking Norwegian coast guard dosen't carry wepons so the government had to negociate with Russia to get their people back. Now don't get me wrong Norway was a cool place but the trade off for just having "free (which really isn'y free) health care is too great for me - I'm a liberal (but economically conservative) so the good ole USA is BEST for ME. BTW - man white Americans and white Europeans are as different as night and day - and that's not meant as a negative they are just different.
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By 2090 Europe will have a muslim majority at the rate things are going.
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You guys better grow your beards out if you're planning on coming.
What european country are you here fantasising about?
Yep that's true, they have a shit load of middle eastern folks coming their - but here's the catch - they need them. When the pill came out and women started going to college and getting careers Europe had a serious decline in birth rate. It was so bad that they estimated they would need a 75% income tax rate to afford that welfare-state life style they have with most money going to pensionist. So when the Islamic revolution occurred in the 70's and the middle east got tough on their women turning them into baby factories - Europe found a source of labor. Kinda like messico mexico for the US.
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Their economy is tied into ours also - if we do go down we will take allot of places with us. Furthermore, the US is the military might for much of western Europe so they REALLY (at least those with half a brain) don't want to see us fuck up - Russia will be back to their old tricks. BTW I lived and worked in Norway for 3 years, and beleive me Russia would love to take a chunk of their fishing lanes and oil drilling areas in the North Sea. When I was their there was an incident with a Russian fishing boat that bassically kidnapped some Norwegian coast guardmen when they boarded their ship (the Russians were steeling their fish) - the fucking Norwegian coast guard dosen't carry wepons so the government had to negociate with Russia to get their people back. Now don't get me wrong Norway was a cool place but the trade off for just having "free (which really isn'y free) health care is too great for me - I'm a liberal (but economically conservative) so the good ole USA is BEST for ME. BTW - man white Americans and white Europeans are as different as night and day - and that's not meant as a negative they are just different.
I'm completely aware that white Americans and Europeans are different. Thats why i was curious what it would be like if there was a reverse migration. Im fully aware that will never.
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That's because in socialist countries, everyone achieves the same, no matter how hard they work.
Yes. Such de-motivation causes paucity in innovation, to say the least
Notice, though, that many of the immigrants we know in this country possess a tremendous work ethic.
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For all the people on here who diss the U.S. GetBig was created in America. So there!
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Yep that's true, they have a shit load of middle eastern folks coming their - but here's the catch - they need them. When the pill came out and women started going to college and getting careers Europe had a serious decline in birth rate. It was so bad that they estimated they would need a 75% income tax rate to afford that welfare-state life style they have with most money going to pensionist. So when the Islamic revolution occurred in the 70's and the middle east got tough on their women turning them into baby factories - Europe found a source of labor. Kinda like messico mexico for the US.
Exactly, but there's a HUGE difference between Mexicans and Muslims. Language aside, Mexicans aren't that different than we are. Muslims on the other hand may as well be from a different planet. I'll take mexicans any day of the week over the crap the Euros have to deal with.
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
I had goose bumps reading this. Spoken like a true hard working American.
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Exactly, but there's a HUGE difference between Mexicans and Muslims. Language aside, Mexicans aren't that different that we are. Muslims on the other hand may as well be from a different planet. I'll take mexicans any day of the week over the crap the Euros have to deal with.
Exactly. So far in the history of Wolrd, only the west has been sucessful at maintaing powerful and prosperous civilization.
The Muslix cling to the past for its memory of "glory".
Let's go back a thousand years ago.. ::)
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Exactly. So far in the history of Wolrd, only the west has been sucessful at maintaing powerful and prosperous civilization.
The Muslix cling to the past for its memory of "glory".
Let's go back a thousand years ago.. ::)
Quoted for it's likelihood to bite you in the arse hard.
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Yep that's true, they have a shit load of middle eastern folks coming their - but here's the catch - they need them. When the pill came out and women started going to college and getting careers Europe had a serious decline in birth rate. It was so bad that they estimated they would need a 75% income tax rate to afford that welfare-state life style they have with most money going to pensionist. So when the Islamic revolution occurred in the 70's and the middle east got tough on their women turning them into baby factories - Europe found a source of labor. Kinda like messico mexico for the US.
The population in Russia is decreasing so rapidly that the govt gives a new car to anyone who pops out a kid (or so I read)
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
How could Americans do that? You all would need a passport from an EU country. Without it, you have no right to work or reside.
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I love how most people here (Americans) have never lived in Europe but feel fully empowered to make all sorts of detailed comments on living there and what it is like. ::)
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Europe is the dog of America, father america says do this Europe says yes sir!
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I love how most people here (Americans) have never lived in Europe but feel fully empowered to make all sorts of detailed comments on living there and what it is like. ::)
Spot on 8)
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i would appreciate if people left out generalizations that throw all americans into the same bunch of people..
for i definitely do not believe america, as of 2008,. is the best place to live, and i dont think our culture, people, and scenery are the best either.
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Exactly, but there's a HUGE difference between Mexicans and Muslims. Language aside, Mexicans aren't that different than we are. Muslims on the other hand may as well be from a different planet. I'll take mexicans any day of the week over the crap the Euros have to deal with.
I feel where you are coming from, I didn't want to get into that to keep from sounding bigoted, but I've had to beat down a couple at parties who think cause they see chicks without laundy wrapped around their heads they can just run up on them a cop a free feel. One motherfuccker did that shit to my wife and I caught his ass on the jaw with a hail marry punch from mississpi. Man I seen them do shit that would never fly in the US.
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i would appreciate if people left out generalizations that throw all americans into the same bunch of people..
for i definitely do not believe america, as of 2008,. is the best place to live, and i dont think our culture, people, and scenery are the best either.
Them there sound like terrorist words, boy.
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For all the people on here who diss the U.S. GetBig was created in America. So there!
what he said - and where do all the bbers who want fortune and fame have to eventually go?
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News for you my friend. We Americans do what we want!!!!!!!!
When the country is bankrupt and suffers from a depression, very few Americans will be 'doing what they want'.
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When the country is bankrupt and suffers from a depression, very few Americans will be 'doing what they want'.
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Wouldn't that be something if our economy did crash and throw the US into chaos.
Can you imagine a reverse migration back to Europe. Then we could see how great Europe really is and get our free health care, refuse to speak your local language and wave our flags outside our house or "flat".
Its one thing Europeans hating us and we have an entire ocean as a buffer. Imagine entire "immigrant" neighborhoods in your town full of Americans... I'm American and I think that would be hilarious.
Americans usually hate most immigrants especially now a days but I bet we would be impossible to live with HAHA.
Team America!
I think you are under estimating america and the system that is in place...If we go into a major depression, we go into all out war
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I was exaggerating to make a point, but you get the point, right? European workers on average are like 80% as productive per worker as their American counterparts because they don't place the emphasis and importance on work that we do.
Where'd you get that stat, numbnuts?
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That would be the first order of business for "americans in europe" take care of the muslims.
Give us about 2 weeks and we'll clean Europe of that scum.
Dude I'm with you 100% but maybe if we clean em up in the US first, all our problems would be solved.
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I'm on Lily Pond Lane in East Hampton New York. Google it dick breathe. Ain't no depression/recession effecting this part of the country! You have a brain? As long as you don't think with your dong? Invest your money. Don't reproduce!!! You'll easily live a long prosperous life! Learn a trade. Don't try to work with your brain.
Living in East Hampton is expensive. In 2005 the cost of living was 326% of the national average.
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I think you are under estimating america and the system that is in place...If we go into a major depression, we go into all out war
I know this would never happen, Im just saying a lot of americans complain about immigration. It would be a cool social experiment if we became the immigrants.
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i would appreciate if people left out generalizations that throw all americans into the same bunch of people..
for i definitely do not believe america, as of 2008,. is the best place to live, and i dont think our culture, people, and scenery are the best either.
Name another country where a man has as much opportunity to speak and be heard and to work his ass off and make something of himself. Spoiled lazy americans that feel entitled to everything they take for granted is what is making this country weak. Some of our best and brightest are 2nd generation americans who grew up or whose parents grew up elsewhere and realized what opportunities they have available to them here.
Look no further than many of our Indian reservations as to what this country will look like very soon if we dont get our act together...
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I know this would never happen, Im just saying a lot of americans complain about immigration. It would be a cool social experiment if we became the immigrants.
Interesting Tom Prince avatar.
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I know this would never happen, Im just saying a lot of americans complain about immigration. It would be a cool social experiment if we became the immigrants.
I see your point but I don't believe taking anything away from people who have things is a cool thing...The world Banks/government who is pulling the strings in every move that is made on the planet has to understand that they are creating walking time bombs in people who are giving the better things in life...We know this because they are creating new prisions all over the U.S. Whats interesting to me is that the people who are in the military are going to have to round up all these people...And I just don't believe that 18 to 21 year old boys have it in them to push there might on the american people when the shit hits the fan...These dumb bastards in the military are going to see first hand what the word Crazy means all over the streets of america...They really won't have the stomach for something like that...And history has already shown us that...
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People can talk all the shit they want about US wars but we don't have the muslim problem you guys have.
Thats why Europe needs some Americans over there.... if there is one thing were good at its KICKING ASS.
this is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. And you're not the only ignorant American that says this. We have plenty of problems iwth muslims. You just don't hear about it. Ever hear of CAIR, Al Kifah refugee center or Ali Mohammed? Trust me there are plenty of muslims (many of whom are terrorists) living in the U.S. today. We may not have the "social problems" with muslims that Europe has but we definitely have the "terrorist" problems that come along with a significant muslim population. The CIA has been training muslim terrorists for decades on U.S. soil.
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One attack in the last seven years I think were handling our "terrorist" problem just fine.
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One attack in the last seven years I think were handling our "terrorist" problem just fine.
Ummmmmmm and was the last time France was attacked? They have probably one of the biggest muslim populations in Europe. When the CIA is one of the largest supporters and trainers of terrorists around the world it's quite easy to keep track of where they are when they're going to attack. CIA, Bush, etc. all knew about 9/11 days before it was gonna happen but decided to do jack shit about it.
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Ummmmmmm and was the last time France was attacked? They have probably one of the biggest muslim populations in Europe. When the CIA is one of the largest supporters and trainers of terrorists around the world it's quite easy to keep track of where they are when they're going to attack. CIA, Bush, etc. all knew about 9/11 days before it was gonna happen but decided to do jack shit about it.
ummm yeah and one of the biggest problems!!!
People are running for political offices based on a "anti" Muslim platforms.
Are you from France?
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ummm yeah and one of the biggest problems!!!
People are running for political offices based on a "anti" Muslim platforms.
Are you from France?
I never said they don't have problems with their large muslim population. However, they have not been "attacked" yet like we have. Also this is one of the reasons why France had to tread so lightly on the Iraq issue. Because of their large Algerian and Muslim populations. It's kind of like us declaring war against Mexico because of their drug cartels. You know how many stupid mexicans would start rioting in the streets if we went to war with Mexico? But people are so apt to criticize other countries without knowing anything about their society. The French have had their fare share of wars.......I can't blame them as a people if they are tired of fighting. Same goes for much of Europe. Maybe if America ever has a war on it's homeland it will understand. And no I'm not French. I'm American born and bred. But I'm a human being first and an American second.
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I never said they don't have problems with their large muslim population. However, they have not been "attacked" yet like we have. Also this is one of the reasons why France had to tread so lightly on the Iraq issue. Because of their large Algerian and Muslim populations. It's kind of like us declaring war against Mexico because of their drug cartels. You know how many stupid mexicans would start rioting in the streets if we went to war with Mexico? But people are so apt to criticize other countries without knowing anything about their society. The French have had their fare share of wars.......I can't blame them as a people if they are tired of fighting. Same goes for much of Europe. Maybe if America ever has a war on it's homeland it will understand. And no I'm not French. I'm American born and bred. But I'm a human being first and an American second.
I hear many Europeans, especially the older ones, say that constantly....
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I hear many Europeans, especially the older ones, say that constantly....
We're already fighting a war on our own soil.
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We're already fighting a war on our own soil.
Oh yeah the War on Terror right ::)
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Oh yeah the War on Terror right ::)
Yes. With a largely successful attack carried out on 911.
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We're already fighting a war on our own soil.
yet Bush has officially postponed border wall constrcution until 2012. Odd...
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Yes. With a largely successful attack carried out on 911.
Well you should go talk to or interview the older people who lived through the bombings of London. I'm sure they can tell you just how 9/11 compares to a REAL war on our own soil.
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We're already fighting a war on our own soil.
And statements like that are exactly the Europeans point.
I will not even try and explain the difference of WWII as if someone cannot see the vast difference it is so totally pointless to try :-\
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yet Bush has officially postponed border wall constrcution until 2012. Odd...
If there wasn't an easy flow of drugs into the United States how would the CIA fund itself?
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Well you should go talk to or interview the older people who lived through the bombings of London. I'm sure they can tell you just how 9/11 compares to a REAL war on our own soil.
I'm sure the families who lost loved ones on 911 would disagree.
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I'm sure the families who lost loved ones on 911 would disagree.
No comparison between 9/11/2001 and WWII, dummy.
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No comparison between 9/11/2001 and WWII, dummy.
Yeah, let's do the simplistic body count analysis. ::) And who is comparing the two? I was responding to the comment about the lack of a war on American soil. We're in the middle of one right now.
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No comparison between 9/11/2001 and WWII, dummy.
I mean reallyyyyyyy....
How basic a point is that ???
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Yeah, let's do the simplistic body count analysis. ::) And who is comparing the two? I was responding to the comment about the lack of a war on American soil. We're in the middle of one right now.
Boy you must have been educated in the U.S. public school system. Do you even know anything about the history of WWII? We are in a war? The war on terror is a joke. How has the war in Iraq affected the average American? Have major industries been turned over to support ther war effort? Are Americans rationing gasoline? There was a marginal 94% income tax rate during WWII to help the war effort.
Even the rich. All Americans were asked to pay more in taxes during World War II, and the wealthy were asked to pay the most of all, more in taxes than any Americans had ever before paid. In 1943, America’s most affluent households faced a 93 percent tax rate on all their income over $200,000. The next year, 1944, the nation’s top tax rate would rise even higher, to 94 percent on income over $200,000—the highest rate in American history.
What are the rich doing nowadays to support the war effort? FUCK ALL! If anything they are making money off soldiers dying in Iraq!
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http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/25/what-happened-to-wartime-sacrifice/
We are not in a war. Not a "real" war. That involves every American. And you wonder why they called it the Greatest Generation.
Everytime I go out to eat, everytime I go out and have a drink and see young people laughing and acting stupid, everytime I go to bed in my nice warm comfortable bed I think to myself about the soldiers dying in Iraq. I think about the war everyday.
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You think Bush would EVER dare tax the rich to help pay for the war in Iraq? FUCK NO HE WOULDN"T!
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Boy you must have been educated in the U.S. public school system. Do you even know anything about the history of WWII? We are in a war? The war on terror is a joke. How has the war in Iraq affected the average American? Have major industries been turned over to support ther war effort? Are Americans rationing gasoline? There was a marginal 94% income tax rate during WWII to help the war effort.
Even the rich. All Americans were asked to pay more in taxes during World War II, and the wealthy were asked to pay the most of all, more in taxes than any Americans had ever before paid. In 1943, America’s most affluent households faced a 93 percent tax rate on all their income over $200,000. The next year, 1944, the nation’s top tax rate would rise even higher, to 94 percent on income over $200,000—the highest rate in American history.
What are the rich doing nowadays to support the war effort? FUCK ALL! If anything they are making money off soldiers dying in Iraq!
Are you kidding? The war on terror is a joke, but about 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack on 911? No one is comparing WWII to 911, but that doesn't change the facts: we were attacked on our own soil by foreign terrorists who likely planned it for years and are likely planning another. That attack brought our country to its knees, even if just for a short time. It had devastating implications across the country.
I will say there is one comparison between WWII and 911: the innocent civilians who died are equally dead.
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Boy you must have been educated in the U.S. public school system. Do you even know anything about the history of WWII? We are in a war? The war on terror is a joke. How has the war in Iraq affected the average American?
Americans are not hiding in forests, not scrambling for food, not being bombed and killed by the thousands every day, not watching the sheer destruction of their infrastructure, not fleeing with only the clothes on their back, separating from their kids to try and save their kids lives...for years and years....the list is endless.....
Which is entirely why much of the world, especially Europeans, are far less enthused about war as they know what it really is - not sitting in their house, kids safely in bed, drinking a beer while their steak cooks watching CNN after getting home from work and saying 'we are at war' :-\
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Are you kidding? The war on terror is a joke, but about 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack on 911? No one is comparing WWII to 911, but that doesn't change the facts: we were attacked on our own soil by foreign terrorists who likely planned it for years and are likely planning another. That attack brought our country to its knees, even if just for a short time. It had devastating implications across the country.
I will say there is one comparison between WWII and 911: the innocent civilians who died are equally dead.
One word for you bro WTC BUILDING 7! The entire premise of the War on Terror rests on the fact that you believe the Official 9/11 story. More and more people, INCLUDING THE FAMILIES OF 9/11 want another investigation and don't buy the official story. How come Building 7 wasn't even mentioned in the Commission Report? 3000 U.S. civilians ar dead. Over a million Iraqi civilians are dead and 4100 U.S. soldiers!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that enough fucking death and destruction for you? If you believe so much in the war on terror instead being a beach bum why don't you go sign up and "kill you some damn rag heads!"
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One word for you bro WTC BUILDING 7! The entire premise of the War on Terror rests on the fact that you believe the Official 9/11 story. More and more people, INCLUDING THE FAMILIES OF 9/11 want another investigation and don't buy the official story. How come Building 7 wasn't even mentioned in the Commission Report? 3000 U.S. civilians ar dead. Over a million Iraqi civilians are dead and 4100 U.S. soldiers!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that enough fucking death and destruction for you? If you believe so much in the war on terror instead being a beach bum why don't you go sign up and "kill you some damn rag heads!"
Oh Good Lord. I didn't know I was dealing with a 911 CT nut. Sorry I engaged. :-[ Carry on . . . .
And I haven't been to the beach in about week. :'(
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Oh Good Lord. I didn't know I was dealing with a 911 CT nut. Sorry I engaged. :-[ Carry on . . . .
And I haven't been to the beach in about week. :'(
LMAO!
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One word for you bro WTC BUILDING 7! The entire premise of the War on Terror rests on the fact that you believe the Official 9/11 story. More and more people, INCLUDING THE FAMILIES OF 9/11 want another investigation and don't buy the official story. How come Building 7 wasn't even mentioned in the Commission Report? 3000 U.S. civilians ar dead. Over a million Iraqi civilians are dead and 4100 U.S. soldiers!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that enough fucking death and destruction for you? If you believe so much in the war on terror instead being a beach bum why don't you go sign up and "kill you some damn rag heads!"
Here we go.....there aren't a million dead Iraqi's. There is not CT conspiracy..who cares about the damm report. Its taking up valuable space oin my bookshelves.
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Here we go.....there aren't a million dead Iraqi's.
How do you know? ::)
Shut the fuck up, GI Joe.
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Oh I don't know..I've been there...when were u there..oh wait.
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If you believe so much in the war on terror why don't you go sign up
I often think this.
HH6 excluded for obvious reasons, if people are really so behind this whole war and actually think it is right then why are they doing not fighting it? The US hardly has a massive surplus of troops :-\
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Oh I don't know..I've been there...when were u there..oh wait.
So while you were over there you conducted a body count of all the dead Iraqis? ???
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HH6 excluded for obvious reasons, if people are really so behind this whole war and actually think it is right then why are they doing not fighting it? The US hardly has a massive surplus of troops :-\
They are known as chickenhawks.
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Yes I did, between bunring villages and eating babies we counted each and every one. I figure I only ate about 6 and I'm about 225..so between me and my guys..maybe 100 babies....30 villlages which didn't have all that many people. Then i sent some to Beach bum, youandme...Coach of course because he loves barbecued toddler. Oh wait..I forgot BF got 2..he likes his in a nice red clam sauce.
Ur an idiot..... ::)
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Yes I did, between bunring villages and eating babies we counted each and every one. I figure I only ate about 6 and I'm about 225..so between me and my guys..maybe 100 babies....30 villlages which didn't have all that many people. Then i sent some to Beach bum, youandme...Coach of course because he loves barbecued toddler. Oh wait..I forgot BF got 2..he likes his in a nice red clam sauce.
Ur an idiot..... ::)
Thanks GI Joe!
you fucking moron
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I often think this.
HH6 excluded for obvious reasons, if people are really so behind this whole war and actually think it is right then why are they doing not fighting it? The US hardly has a massive surplus of troops :-\
The same question applies to people against it. Why aren't they out rallying, staging demonstrations and doing more than just bitching on the politics board of a bodybuilding forum where 15 people read it. ???
Just because you support a war doesn't mean you have to go out and fight in it.
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The same question applies to people against it. Why aren't they out rallying, staging demonstrations and doing more than just bitching on the politics board of a bodybuilding forum where 15 people read it. ???
Just because you support a war doesn't mean you have to go out and fight in it.
bullshit chickenhawk analogy
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bullshit chickenhawk analogy
Hardly. How many mass anti-war rallies have you led and organized this year? If you say anything less than 2 a month, you're a failure of an anti-war protester.
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Ok Benny ..u giant of political knowledge and foreign policy expertise...i'll do just that.
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The same question applies to people against it. Why aren't they out rallying, staging demonstrations and doing more than just bitching on the politics board of a bodybuilding forum where 15 people read it. ???
Just because you support a war doesn't mean you have to go out and fight in it.
Well, I have done my anti war demos - which of course are useless really [especially here hehe]. Plus, no war is being waged in my name, nor are any of my dollars funding anything.
I just know for me - the day I feel my nation is truly in danger, and we are "at war" - I would help, as would my family. I come from a long line military family to begin and my male family would defend this soil to death....which would be pretty quick as we are tiny lol. Not saying that is how everyone should be, but that is me and us though, my dad would not sit off drinking beer thinking we might all be capped and expecting others to save us :-\
The US is short of troops. They are extending tours. They want more people to enlist. So why then do people praise the war, think it is saving the US, claim they love their country but not enlist? Something does not add up there to me. Just my opinion.
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Because we live in a video game, me first, all about me generation. Love of country and US history aren't taught correctly. Honestly nobody cares...
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Well, I have done my anti war demos - which of course are useless really [especially here hehe]. Plus, no war is being waged in my name, nor are any of my dollars funding anything.
I just know for me - the day I feel my nation is truly in danger, and we are "at war" - I would help, as would my family. I come from a long line military family to begin and my male family would defend this soil to death....which would be pretty quick as we are tiny lol. Not saying that is how everyone should be, but that is me and us though, my dad would not sit off drinking beer thinking we might all be capped and expecting others to save us :-\
The US is short of troops. They are extending tours. They want more people to enlist. So why then do people praise the war, think it is saving the US, claim they love their country but not enlist? Something does not add up there to me. Just my opinion.
You I would expect to do that. I was really addressing the crybaby CT scumbags that rail, rail, rail against the US on here but are then too busy to attend an anti-war rally.
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You I would expect to do that. I was really addressing the crybaby CT scumbags that rail, rail, rail against the US on here but are then too busy to attend an anti-war rally.
Railing against the U.S. Government is not the same fucking thing as railing against "America" nor its people nor our way of life. The fact that people like you cannot separate America from its government is delusional and a perfect example of brainwashing. The government exists to serve its people. The military exists to serve the government i.e. its people as well. When neither serve to function in that role the American people have the right to overthrow either. Get over it! I may not have marched in an anti-war rally but I sure has hell have done my fair share or supporting Ron Paul, marches, and door to door canvassing.
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You I would expect to do that. I was really addressing the crybaby CT scumbags that rail, rail, rail against the US on here but are then too busy to attend an anti-war rally.
I do agree it goes both ways...
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Are you kidding? The war on terror is a joke, but about 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack on 911? No one is comparing WWII to 911, but that doesn't change the facts: we were attacked on our own soil by foreign terrorists who likely planned it for years and are likely planning another. That attack brought our country to its knees, even if just for a short time. It had devastating implications across the country.
I will say there is one comparison between WWII and 911: the innocent civilians who died are equally dead.
It's called Blowback Beach Buffoon; the attack couldn't even be prevented by your hero George with the 'best' intelligence has to offer...makes you wonder.
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This thread is awesome but I think we should steer it into an Old World vs. New World thread; what say you?
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Oh yeah the War on Terror right ::)
Ya the reason were fighting this war is so we don't have another attack on our soil or full out war. Unfortunately if Europe would have stomped out Hitler in the 1930's WW2 might never have happened.
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Here we go.....there aren't a million dead Iraqi's. There is not CT conspiracy..who cares about the damm report. Its taking up valuable space oin my bookshelves.
But I..I googled the Iraqi war casualties and this is the number I got....It has to be true. This is the problem with the world today, a bunch of arm chair generals. They gather "intel" through yahoo, google and youtube.
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Ya the reason were fighting this war is so we don't have another attack on our soil or full out war. Unfortunately if Europe would have stomped out Hitler in the 1930's WW2 might never have happened.
And if Woodrow Wilson hadn't been so insistent on the harsh stipulations imposed in the Treaty of Versailles, maybe there would not have been a WWII as well... ::)
'War on Terror'= Bumper Sticker for Dumb White Trash
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But I..I googled the Iraqi war casualties and this is the number I got....It has to be true. This is the problem with the world today, a bunch of arm chair generals. They gather "intel" through yahoo, google and youtube.
According to the Getbig political forum, their intelligence gathered from the internet is on par with the Pentagon's.
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And if Woodrow Wilson hadn't been so insistent on the harsh stipulations imposed in the Treaty of Versailles, maybe there would not have been a WWII as well... ::)
'War on Terror'= Bumper Sticker for Dumb White Trash
Blame it on the US again, unfortunately when you start and lose a war there are consequences.
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According to the Getbig political forum, their intelligence gathered from the internet is on par with the Pentagon's.
or I always hear "I know a guy who knows a guy who served in .... Im not sure what branch but he told me...."
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War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Illiteracy, War on Poverty...yes, many wars out there... ::)
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Yes. With a largely successful attack carried out on 911.
I guess someone had to remind them.
War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Illiteracy, War on Poverty...yes, many wars out there... ::)
You forgot the War on America
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Railing against the U.S. Government is not the same fucking thing as railing against "America" nor its people nor our way of life. The fact that people like you cannot separate America from its government is delusional and a perfect example of brainwashing. The government exists to serve its people. The military exists to serve the government i.e. its people as well. When neither serve to function in that role the American people have the right to overthrow either. Get over it! I may not have marched in an anti-war rally but I sure has hell have done my fair share or supporting Ron Paul, marches, and door to door canvassing.
Oh ur going to "overthrow the military"....come on big boy.....we're waiting. It would seem to me it comes down to the guys with the guns and the guys without...and u sir fit into the second catagory, so please be a good little sheep and let the adults protect the country..nice lib.
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Oh ur going to "overthrow the military"....come on big boy.....we waiting. It would seem to me it comes down to the guys with the guns and the guys without...and u sir fit into the second catagory, so please be a good little sheep and let the adults protect the country..nice lib.
RETARD
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Oh ur going to "overthrow the military"....come on big boy.....we waiting. It would seem to me it comes down to the guys with the guns and the guys without...and u sir fit into the second catagory, so please be a good little sheep and let the adults protect the country..nice lib.
And you're probably one of those losers who if ordered under martial law would go rounding up his fellow Americans putting them in FEMA camps. You'd be surprised how well armed your fellow Americans are. And it would be no cake walk for the military to fight its own people on the streets of the U.S. And I think most in the military are tired of their government. They are just powerless to do anything about it. We all need a paycheck. But if shit hit the fan I think a lot of soldiers would turn those tanks and F-16's on those who tried to detain their own country.
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Well come on overthrow us........baaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
If people are breaking the law badly enough...yeah. Do u remember the Civil Riots riots....the 68's Dem convention.....There are no FEMA "concentration" camps idiots. There is no plan to take away ur tin foil hat and put u in a camp. Another one of u tin foil wearing sheep posted a list of supposed camps....funny every place I'd been to on that list...no camp ever.
"Most of the military are tired of their own government"...um no, again u really have no clue do u. What we are tired of are defeatist liberal pussies not allowing us to do our job.
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"Most of the military are tired of their own government"...um no, again u really have no clue do u. What we are tired of are defeatist liberal pussies not allowing us to do our job.
The military is donating more to Obama than McCain. In the primaries they donated far more to Paul, also non military and not a war proponent.
Interesting that the ex-military POW who is running on being a war hero and maintaining the status quo of perpetual war gets less donations from the military then the anti-war guys.
Sheer facts.
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Here we go...show me the numbers.... the number I saw...it was 7 more guys, 7 more...36 to 43...wow. I posted that and the thread ended. This crap that the military gives more crap...nobody has any idea who the military is giving to.
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Well come on overthrow us........baaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
If people are breaking the law badly enough...yeah. Do u remember the Civil Riots riots....the 68's Dem convention.....There are no FEMA "concentration" camps idiots. There is no plan to take away ur tin foil hat and put u in a camp. Another one of u tin foil wearing sheep posted a list of supposed camps....funny every place I'd been to on that list...no camp ever.
"Most of the military are tired of their own government"...um no, again u really have no clue do u. What we are tired of are defeatist liberal pussies not allowing us to do our job.
I support Americans and the American people NOT the U.S. Government which has abandoned its citizens.
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Here we go...show me the numbers.... the number I saw...it was 7 more guys, 7 more...36 to 43...wow. I posted that and the thread ended. This crap that the military gives more crap...nobody has any idea who the military is giving to.
HH6, please you are grasping at straws badly.
You said that last time someone pointed out the miltary donation numbers, and they cut/pasted the proof. Thread a couple of weeks back. It's a sheer fact, and of course ppl have an idea of who the military is giving too, donations are logged...
Reports differ, but all have the same theme - Paul and Obama got more donations from military folks.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/1912869/posts
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-09-13-military-donors_N.htm
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Who's grasping....
1,000 of them are listed in Federal Election Commission records for this year — represent a small fraction of the overall contributions to the candidates.
They also keep saying military workers....hmmmm. Everybody they quote from is retired.
Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors.
Yeah thats the one I quoted from...again the ground swell of support ur hoping for isn't happening. We all make fun of Obama and his ridiculous foreign policy gaffes.
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Who's grasping....
1,000 of them are listed in Federal Election Commission records for this year — represent a small fraction of the overall contributions to the candidates.
They also keep saying military workers....hmmmm. Everybody they quote from is retired.
Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors.
Yeah thats the one I quoted from...again the ground swell of support ur hoping for isn't happening. We all make fun of Obama and his ridiculous foreign policy gaffes.
All the studies/reports say military has donated more to Paul and Obama - whichever way one interprets it - that is what is being reported.
As as for overall financial support, those numbers speak for themself.
Obama has raised about $170 million dollars more than McCain - 170,000,000 more. Fact.
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Yes by 10 grand...1000 people total donated...big deal. If that means something to u go ahead and run with it. ::)
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Yes by 10 grand...1000 people total donated...big deal. If that means something to u go ahead and run with it. ::)
I see you glossed over the 170 million overall that Obama has outraised McCain by I mentioned.
Don't blame you, it is a large difference, hard to explain away ;)
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yeah..he has. The Republican committe has 3 times as much as the dem committe does. Its abig deal for Obama...yeah i got it.
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Bump.
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The military as a majority supports McCain. Service members benefit from republicans with pay increases, increase budgets etc.
Service members are quite aware that they will probably be deployed more often with a republican in office. But for every one soldiers who cries about being deployed ten soldiers want to go.
I just got out of the National guard and my unit deploys to Afghanistan in August, we had more that enough volunteers to fill the ranks.
and when I say volunteers I mean soldiers who didn't have to go but transferred units so they could go. In the National Guard you kinda act as a free agent and can jump to different units and pretty much go overseas as much as you want.
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The military as a majority supports McCain.
I'd like to see polling data to reflect that.
Anyone?
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dude its a fact the military is very conservative as a whole. Go down to your local Natinal Guard Armory and ask them.
I'm not an advocate for this war I'm just stating my first hand experience.
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dude its a fact the military is very conservative as a whole. Go down to your local Natinal Guard Armory and ask them.
I'm not an advocate for this war I'm just stating my first hand experience.
Perhaps historically.
But the fact that Ron Paul and Obama's combined total donations more than DOUBLED Mccain's - when the WAR was the chief issue at this time (this is before economy went south) makes me wonder if perhaps there is a 2:1 anti-war sentiment?
If this is the case, can Mccain still be favored? If 2/3 of the military are willing to part with their $ to mail it to a guy who wants to end the war that is the foundation of the mccain presidency, why would they vote for him?
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I think the bigger question is what percentage of the military is willing to part with their money. Most guys in service are generally young and tight on money.
I would guess that the guys who support Obama really hate the service/being deployed and are more willing to donate money.
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I think the bigger question is what percentage of the military is willing to part with their money. Most guys in service are generally young and tight on money.
I would guess that the guys who support Obama really hate the service/being deployed and are more willing to donate money.
This would mean that the serious $ being donated came from military lifers?
That would change your initial assessment that "The military as a majority supports McCain."
A new assessment would then read "the grunts on the ground support McCain, but the experienced and more knowledgeable military members prefer a non-Mccain option at a 2:1 clip"
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I actually met that guys who are more desperate to get out of Iraq/military service are more willing to part with there money.
But yes "lifers" definitely would back McCain because the majority of them back Bush
I don't know the exact stats on military donations but I don't see a lot of soldiers wanting to donate to either party. from my experience soldiers are already going out of their way... why give money to politicians.
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But yes "lifers" definitely would back McCain because the majority of them back Bush
I voted for Bush twice. Mccain hasn't won me over, though.
Bush ran on an anti-nationbuilding platform.
McCain is running on a pro-nationbuilding platform.
That irks me, and I'm just a fat d-bag in america. If I was a soldier, and spilling blood daily for this nationbuilding platform that I didn't support in 2000 and I damn sure don't support today, I might not vote Mccain automatically.
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I voted for Bush twice. Mccain hasn't won me over, though.
Bush ran on an anti-nationbuilding platform.
McCain is running on a pro-nationbuilding platform.
That irks me, and I'm just a fat d-bag in america. If I was a soldier, and spilling blood daily for this nationbuilding platform that I didn't support in 2000 and I damn sure don't support today, I might not vote Mccain automatically.
Damn 240; I thought more highly of you than that.
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I voted for Bush twice. Mccain hasn't won me over, though.
Bush ran on an anti-nationbuilding platform.
McCain is running on a pro-nationbuilding platform.
That irks me, and I'm just a fat d-bag in america. If I was a soldier, and spilling blood daily for this nationbuilding platform that I didn't support in 2000 and I damn sure don't support today, I might not vote Mccain automatically.
I hear ya, I remember when he first ran everyone criticized him about his lack of foreign policy experience but back then no body cared
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I hear ya, I remember when he first ran everyone criticized him about his lack of foreign policy experience but back then no body cared
I thought you loved Bush and the war?!
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Never said that... I hate dumb asses like yourself who put down the military only going off what they read on the internet.
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Never said that... I hate dumb asses like yourself who put down the military only going off what they read on the internet.
Haha so what's wrong with getting information from the internet? There are only three choices..........
1) Mainstream Media
2) The Internet
3) Military/Government complex
Who has the most to gain or the least to gain out of those three by lying? Profits? Propaganda?
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Do u honestly think ur getting the real picture..or being told the truth. I saw a post a few months back on here about Iraq and something that happened. It was a bash the war post as usual...trying to make some lib point about violance etc. Funny thing was the event that took place was staged by our own guys, complete with a news release and eveything. Thats really deside the point. U guys don't get the full picture. The media has cut back in Iraq, that should tell u something.
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Haha so what's wrong with getting information from the internet? There are only three choices..........
1) Mainstream Media
2) The Internet
3) Military/Government complex
Who has the most to gain or the least to gain out of those three by lying? Profits? Propaganda?
4) Firsthand experience
5) Talking to people with firsthand experience
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4) Firsthand experience
5) Talking to people with firsthand experience
There isn't unanimity of thought with those who have "first hand experience". That's where intelligence and judgment have to be used to put the facts together. It is quite clear that you and your fellow butt-boy GI Joe lack both...intelligence and judgment.
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Do u honestly think ur getting the real picture..or being told the truth. I saw a post a few months back on here about Iraq and something that happened. It was a bash the war post as usual...trying to make some lib point about violance etc. Funny thing was the event that took place was staged by our own guys, complete with a news release and eveything. Thats really deside the point. U guys don't get the full picture. The media has cut back in Iraq, that should tell u something.
The internet is like a book. You don't read a book and believe everything in it hook line and sinker. Well people like you might. You check the footnotes, the sources and the references. I.e. Primary sources vs. secondary sources. Remember those things they teach you in high school? A good book has good sources and lots of them to back up it's main thesis or point. Same thing with internet articles. Sorry there are a helluva a lot of pro war/neocon right wing websites as well as liberal left wing and thankfully for most of us everything in between. Plus you have all international news agencies.
Dude give your fucking liberalism is a mental disorder bullshit a rest. Not everyone that questions the war or Bush and U.S. foreign policy is a granola eating, bandana wearing, free loving woodstock hippie liberal.
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www.antiwar.com
One of the best sites out there for news; a bunch of Libertarians as well.
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HH6 your willing to send your son to die for this fool''s fucking war? LOL.
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There isn't unanimity of thought with those who have "first hand experience". That's where intelligence and judgment have to be used to put the facts together. It is quite clear that you and your fellow butt-boy GI Joe lack both...intelligence and judgment.
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Wow, Beach Bum, that's a great rebuttal!
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Wow, Beach Bum, that's a great rebuttal!
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4) Firsthand experience
5) Talking to people with firsthand experience
It's a source but it is limited in scope.
Personal experiences, the few you'd be privy to hear, would be miniscule in comparison to the overall numbers of people involved and their experiences.
Depending on who you talk to you will get different view points laced with personal beliefs and biases. Overall objectivity will be low.
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It's a source but it is limited in scope.
Personal experiences, the few you'd be privy to hear, would be miniscule in comparison to the overall numbers of people involved and their experiences.
Depending on who you talk to you will get different view points laced with personal beliefs and biases. Overall objectivity will be low.
Firsthand experience is actually the best source IMO. You have a more informed view if you experience something firsthand as opposed to reading or hearing about it from someone else.
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Firsthand experience is actually the best source IMO. You have a more informed view if you experience something firsthand as opposed to reading or hearing about it from someone else.
It's good in that respect. However it's still limited. for example a person serving a year in Iraq in an area that's very friendly to the US and with few incidents of violence will have a much different view of Iraq than someone who had been attacked daily and seen many of his friends die.
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It's good in that respect. However it's still limited. for example a person serving a year in Iraq in an area that's very friendly to the US and with few incidents of violence will have a much different view of Iraq than someone who had been attacked daily and seen many of his friends die.
I agree, although both will have pretty accurate firsthand experiences that simply need to be put in context (one was in a "friendly" area and one in a "hostile" area).
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Firsthand experience is actually the best source IMO. You have a more informed view if you experience something firsthand as opposed to reading or hearing about it from someone else.
So you experience the Iraq war first hand as a soldier so what. That still doesn't mean you have any comprehension regarding who's pulling the strings behind the scenes. Firsthand doesn't mean shit unless you can understand the big picture. I have firsthand knowledge of a lot of things, that doesn't mean I actually understand what I'm looking at, what I've seen, or what I'm experiencing. So first hand experiences are no more informed than anything else.
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So you experience the Iraq war first hand as a soldier so what. That still doesn't mean you have any comprehension regarding who's pulling the strings behind the scenes. Firsthand doesn't mean shit unless you can understand the big picture. I have firsthand knowledge of a lot of things, that doesn't mean I actually understand what I'm looking at, what I've seen, or what I'm experiencing. So first hand experiences are no more informed than anything else.
I agree and disagree. Context is important and you need to understand the big picture. So I agree with that part.
On the other hand, you're assuming a person with firsthand experience doesn't understand the big picture. Bad assumption. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
Regarding the war, I'd rather hear from someone who has been on the ground about the situation on the ground than read some internet account. The person on the ground is much more credible.
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I agree and disagree. Context is important and you need to understand the big picture. So I agree with that part.
On the other hand, you're assuming a person with firsthand experience doesn't understand the big picture. Bad assumption. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
Regarding the war, I'd rather hear from someone who has been on the ground about the situation on the ground than read some internet account. The person on the ground is much more credible.
THere are a helluva of a lot of journalists embedded with the troops on the frontline. True they might be biased as they work for corporate media but no more biased than the troops.
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The BIAS media?
The Liberal media?
It's really all the "In business to sell advertising revenue" media.
I love it when nipple whores complain about the "liberal" media. It shows their ignorance.
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So you experience the Iraq war first hand as a soldier so what. That still doesn't mean you have any comprehension regarding who's pulling the strings behind the scenes. Firsthand doesn't mean shit unless you can understand the big picture. I have firsthand knowledge of a lot of things, that doesn't mean I actually understand what I'm looking at, what I've seen, or what I'm experiencing. So first hand experiences are no more informed than anything else.
Yeah except I have both forst hand knowledge and see the big picture...what do u have net articles and TV. Do u think ur getting the clear picture of the war, here. U libs love to put the military down, yet none of u idiots have served and based on the dim comments made, know a thing ur talking about. "The strings" give me a break.....the war was in our strategic best interest...thats it.
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The BIAS media?
The Liberal media?
It's really all the "In business to sell advertising revenue" media.
I love it when nipple whores complain about the "liberal" media. It shows their ignorance.
Yep. When FOX news has contributor Karl Rove on to give an "Unbiased" account of Barack Obama's true motives, you have to wonder who really believes it's completely unbiased.
I mean, for the FOX fans here, you ADMIT it's biased right, dont you? OReilly said 2 years ago that his job was to EVEN the field by going RIGHT on things everyone else went left on.
Does anyone really stiff defend FOX and say they're in the MIDDLE?
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He's wanted to be a Marine all his life, actually he wants to be a Scout Sniper. He wants to serve and do his part. No quake in his boots. Don't worry my son will protect u...sheep.
Ozmo....funny u guys don't attack MSNBC when they go hard Left.....There are few if any media types without an agenda..and I think u guys are getting editorial confused with news anyway.
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Ozmo....funny u guys don't attack MSNBC when they go hard Left.....There are few if any media types without an agenda..and I think u guys are getting editorial confused with news anyway.
You still don't get it do you?
Why do you think FOX news is rated #1?
Do you really think it's because of it's "Fair & Balanced" news?
BTW, just to show you how off base, stereotyping and assuming you can be at times........ I never watch MSNBC. I'm pretty much CNN on TV and Fox on the radio. I listen to Armstrong and Getty in the mornings, occasionally listen to Dobbs, and if i really want to hear a hate filled, ignorant rant, i listen to Savage, which even with all his crap, he occasionally makes great points.
But no, becuase i criticize the establishment i must be a liberal. ::)
Also, the same goes with editorials. Editorials are a product. No matter how you slice it. If the editorial wasn't getting attention then it would be on the air. The person giving the editorial wouldn't have the job.
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I get it pretty damm well actually. Fox is rated that why because maybe they don't doom and gloom the dogshit out of everything. U never have a crtical thing to say against the Dems, it Bush, the war, McCain..or somebody else.
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THere are a helluva of a lot of journalists embedded with the troops on the frontline. True they might be biased as they work for corporate media but no more biased than the troops.
Embedded troops have a good view, but the media doesn't report and/or emphasize everything the reporters see. They focus primarily on carnage.
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I get it pretty damm well actually. Fox is rated that why because maybe they don't doom and gloom the dogshit out of everything. U never have a crtical thing to say against the Dems, it Bush, the war, McCain..or somebody else.
No you still don't get it.
Fox is rated high because it plays to the conservative aspect of our society cantering to conservatives or like minded people believe and want to hear. That's how they get ratings the same as CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc... does respectively.
All you seem to be doing is regurgitating what people have told you to think.
Another example:
U never have a crtical thing to say against the Dems, it Bush, the war, McCain..or somebody else.
I've been very critical of the dems. You just assume, because of your paradigm that says: "Because i criticize the establishment i must be a liberal." Which means i must hate America and want the moral collapse of our society.
What you uncousiously choose to not acknowledge is:
- I've been very critical of the Dems 8 years of not being able to come up with an electbale candidate
- The dems forced pandering the the extremem left to manintain their voting base
- The liberal attacks and criticisms on US soldiers
- the dems having to sell out to the idea of pulling out of Iraq to get elected only to be bitched slapped by BUSH which they knew would happen
But here's the problem that your bias doesn't allow you to compute:
BUSH and the REpubs have been in control for 6 years and the better part of 7+
BUSH under his admin committed one of the worse decisions in US history in invading a sovereign country unprovoked based on false intel that has cost us trillion and thousands of lives
OUR economy doesn look good
We aqre int he middle of a home and credit crisis.
SO HH6, it's not like the Dems have really been at the forefront of news making.
And then to top it off, you have the KING of pandering whores, McCain running.
At the very least, like or dislike, at least Obama, is a lib and stands by it. (although i'm real concern about his tax plans and could cause me to vote against him.)
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No you still don't get it.
Fox is rated high because it plays to the conservative aspect of our society cantering to conservatives or like minded people believe and want to hear. That's how they get ratings the same as CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc... does respectively.
All you seem to be doing is regurgitating what people have told you to think.
Another example:
I've been very critical of the dems. You just assume, because of your paradigm that says: "Because i criticize the establishment i must be a liberal." Which means i must hate America and want the moral collapse of our society.
What you uncousiously choose to not acknowledge is:
- I've been very critical of the Dems 8 years of not being able to come up with an electbale candidate
- The dems forced pandering the the extremem left to manintain their voting base
- The liberal attacks and criticisms on US soldiers
- the dems having to sell out to the idea of pulling out of Iraq to get elected only to be bitched slapped by BUSH which they knew would happen
But here's the problem that your bias doesn't allow you to compute:
BUSH and the REpubs have been in control for 6 years and the better part of 7+
BUSH under his admin committed one of the worse decisions in US history in invading a sovereign country unprovoked based on false intel that has cost us trillion and thousands of lives
OUR economy doesn look good
We aqre int he middle of a home and credit crisis.
SO HH6, it's not like the Dems have really been at the forefront of news making.
And then to top it off, you have the KING of pandering whores, McCain running.
At the very least, like or dislike, at least Obama, is a lib and stands by it. (although i'm real concern about his tax plans and could cause me to vote against him.)
Fox is number one because they don't slam this country, they're number one because they do a better job packaging the news, they're number one because they have better personalities. Look at CNN..Blitzer is a whiny bitch...and yes I've met him. He comes off wimpy. Obermann is so consumed with O'reilly kicking his ass, he spends more time bashing that network, then doing his job. Ozmo there is little if anything u can teach me about how, the media in this country, works. Fox was designed to operate "right of center" . But guys like Hannity and O Reilly are not reporters of news, they are commenting on it. Mathews and Obermann are leftists and its as obvious as Hannity is.
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Fox is number one because they don't slam this country, they're number one because they do a better job packaging the news, they're number one because they have better personalities. Look at CNN..Blitzer is a whiny bitch...and yes I've met him. He comes off wimpy. Obermann is so consumed with O'reilly kicking his ass, he spends more time bashing that network, then doing his job. Ozmo there is little if anything u can teach me about how, the media in this country, works. Fox was designed to operate "right of center" . But guys like Hannity and O Reilly are not reporters of news, they are commenting on it. Mathews and Obermann are leftists and its as obvious as Hannity is.
Again you don't get shit.
It comes down to money.
FOX is in the business of making money 1st, NOT reporting the news 1st. The news is only a vehicle that they use to make MONEY. All those guys you just talked about are there because they bring in ADVERTISING REVENUE.
So to sit there and talk about how this guy is whiney and how FOX doesn't do gloom and doom only shows your play ground mentality.
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Who brings the cash in....the personalities, Fox is well aware of who their audience is. They report the news just like everybody else does. The guys I mentioned bring in the cash, with their point of view. Tis country is right of center and Fox preaches to that.
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Who brings the cash in....the personalities, Fox is well aware of who their audience is. They report the news just like everybody else does. The guys I mentioned bring in the cash, with their point of view. Tis country is right of center and Fox preaches to that.
YEP.
Now go back to the point about "liberal" media. Media isn't liberal, it's capitalistic. :)
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Fox was designed to operate "right of center" .
so when fox says they are "fair and balanced", that is a lie, right?
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"Fair and Balanced" is an opinion obviously and the CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC, BBC, CSPAN watchers of the world wouldn't have a clue on how fair and balanced Fox News is because it doesn't spew the Left Wing's "Blame America first" "Global Warming is real" "just respect the terrorists and they will leave you alone" policies.
Fox is #1 for a multitude of reasons, INCLUDING being "Fair and Balanced" when compared to the others.
We can play semantics on "Fair and Balanced" all day long but the truth is they are "MORE Fair and Balanced" than the others and that is a fact.
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"Fair and Balanced" is an opinion obviously and the CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC, BBC, CSPAN watchers of the world wouldn't have a clue on how fair and balanced Fox News is because it doesn't spew the Left Wing's "Blame America first" "Global Warming is real" "just respect the terrorists and they will leave you alone" policies.
Fox is #1 for a multitude of reasons, INCLUDING being "Fair and Balanced" when compared to the others.
We can play semantics on "Fair and Balanced" all day long but the truth is they are "MORE Fair and Balanced" than the others and that is a fact.
NO. That is not a fact, it is an Opinion based on a false premise. They cater to a group of people find it Fair and Balance. Fair and Balanced will always be subject to one's personal views.
Obviously their marketing and product hits target with you and you don't even see it for what it is.
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We are down to 5 major news sources and people talk about Fair and Balanced.
That's really funny.
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NO. That is not a fact, it is an Opinion based on a false premise. They cater to a group of people find it Fair and Balance. Fair and Balanced will always be subject to one's personal views.
Obviously their marketing and product hits target with you and you don't even see it for what it is.
It's a fact when you look at all the liberal hosts, contributors, and analysts vs. conservative voices on other news stations.
Again, we can play semantics all day long, but I see Fox as BY FAR the most fair and balanced news outlet on TV.
Sheperd Smith, Allan Colmes, Geraldo Rivera, Kirstin Powers, Greta Van Sustran, and many others are not conservatives and either host their own 1 hour show IN PRIMETIME or are regular contributors in PRIMETIME.
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It's a fact when you look at all the liberal hosts, contributors, and analysts vs. conservative voices on other news stations.
Again, we can play semantics all day long, but I see Fox as BY FAR the most fair and balanced news outlet on TV.
Sheperd Smith, Allan Colmes, Geraldo Rivera, Kirstin Powers, Greta Van Sustran, and many others are not conservatives and either host their own 1 hour show IN PRIMETIME or are regular contributors in PRIMETIME.
So let me get this right. You believe FOX news is truly balanced and fair because of that?
:)
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More Fair and Balanced means having opposing views and differing opinions given equal time or close to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble but those are the facts. Lets look at ABC, CBS, ABC, CNN ( a few conservatives, they are learning from Fox's formula) CNBC (1/2), BBC...Conservatives and times on TV please, go ahead....
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More Fair and Balanced means having opposing views and differing opinions given equal time or close to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble but those are the facts. Lets look at ABC, CBS, ABC, CNN ( a few conservatives, they are learning from Fox's formula) CNBC (1/2), BBC...Conservatives and times on TV please, go ahead....
You are not busting my bubble. I just can't believe you are so naive about it.
News being "Fair and Balanced" goes far beyond the area of equal time and representation of 2 political ideologies among hosts and commentators.
I don't know if this is a good comparison, but that's like saying, the leading rusher on the Broncos is everything all of football is about and he's the best player in all of football.
and there are many ways you can manipulate equal representation in commentators:
- You choose poor comentators to represent the view points you oppose
- You scrutinize the subject matter
- You end the debate in favor of your view point
- the facilitator steers the debate in favor of their view point.
And then to say equal time and representation of 2 political ideologies among hosts and commentators is why Fox is fair and balanced while not taking into consideration the choice of the stories covered, the view points from guest covered, how the news is covered, the fact that there are only 5 American news sources, etc... is like ignoring there are 32 other NFL teams and 21 other positions plus special teams.
All the while forgetting that everything they show you on FOX is in part designed to reinforce why you watch them in the first place.
It's quite amazing to me that people actually fall for this crap.
But just like anything else in america, we are victims of advertising. :)
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We all know that Denver employs a cut blocking scheme and that a dead body could rush for a thousand yards behind them. The major vcable news stations all report the same news, its how its packaged that counts. I mentioned Blitzer and whiny because I was talking with my mom, and she said she mentioned somebody else on CNN but hated Wolf because he looks wimpy. I had Blitzer in Afghanstan, he was at the embassy doing something and he complained about his crew, complained about the heat....he's a little bitch.
Fox packages the news best. Honestly this conversation is best had over a beer, in person. I've got plenty of great stories on some of these guys.
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Again you don't get shit.
It comes down to money.
FOX is in the business of making money 1st, NOT reporting the news 1st. The news is only a vehicle that they use to make MONEY. All those guys you just talked about are there because they bring in ADVERTISING REVENUE.
So to sit there and talk about how this guy is whiney and how FOX doesn't do gloom and doom only shows your play ground mentality.
He just disagrees with you. That doesn't mean he doesn't "get it."
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We all know that Denver employs a cut blocking scheme and that a dead body could rush for a thousand yards behind them. The major vcable news stations all report the same news, its how its packaged that counts. I mentioned Blitzer and whiny because I was talking with my mom, and she said she mentioned somebody else on CNN but hated Wolf because he looks wimpy. I had Blitzer in Afghanstan, he was at the embassy doing something and he complained about his crew, complained about the heat....he's a little bitch.
Fox packages the news best. Honestly this conversation is best had over a beer, in person. I've got plenty of great stories on some of these guys.
I'd enjoy having a few beers with you and having this conversation. However, Blitzer, whiney or not, doesn't have anything to do with my point in the first place. That being said, i'm not surprised Blizter is a whiney bitch off the set.
Additionally, FOX news is a product. It's packaged for viewers. So naturally, someone who is targeted by FOX, who shares the same or similar view points will believe it;s fair and balance. To say something that's a packaged product is "Fair and Balance" is like saying everything politician says is objective.
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[...]Ozmo....funny u guys don't attack MSNBC when they go hard Left[...]
"Hard left"? And when has that happened? The media is overwhelmingly right-wing. Reagan's funeral was a 2 week-long televised lovefest for peace sake!!
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"Hard left"? And when has that happened? The media is overwhelmingly right-wing. Reagan's funeral was a 2 week-long televised lovefest for peace sake!!
Hey, stop that. I'm trying to ease them in gently ;D
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Hey, stop that. I'm trying to ease them in gently ;D
Let me know when you're done.
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Murdoch.
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"Hard left"? And when has that happened? The media is overwhelmingly right-wing. Reagan's funeral was a 2 week-long televised lovefest for peace sake!!
Are you joking? If not, why do you believe this?
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"Hard left"? And when has that happened? The media is overwhelmingly right-wing. Reagan's funeral was a 2 week-long televised lovefest for peace sake!!
I disagree.
FOX is Mccain TV, sure.
MSNBC is OBAMA TV, definitely.
CNN makes them both look sorta bad.
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Atleast CNN has Lou Dobbs and Jack Cafferty. Who the fuck does Fox News have? Alan Colmes? LOL Gimme a break! Fox News sucks!
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I disagree.
FOX is Mccain TV, sure.
MSNBC is OBAMA TV, definitely.
CNN makes them both look sorta bad.
No, that is incorrect. The "hard left", meaning the anarchysts, communists and else, ARE NOT present in today's politics. What exists in today's Democratic party is a group of indecisive individuals who represent a very narrow spectrum of "leftist" politics. Both sides, be it democrat or republican, subscribe to the same principles, which is to keep the current status quo, which means to keep themselves in power. Whether the Constitution is the limit to their intentions or not is questionable, as in the case of Bush or Clinton. But I think that the fact that NONE of the candidates make it a point to articulate anything of substante in public should be a very BIG WARNING of whose purpose they serve. For example, Obama might be asked what he thinks of universal healthcare and all he'll say something like, without going into much detail or say what he WILL do, "I believe it is a step in the right direction", knowing full well that he will not do anything about something that affects the majority of Americans and benefit only a handfull of people. It's the same thing with McCain, although his side of the court contains people that are much more stupidly radical (the neo-cons) in their foreign policy strategies and in favor of total business deregulation, which is the equivalent of letting a fat kid into an ice-cream truck and letting him/her pick and choose as he/she likes.
I mean, it is obviously apparent that the US Government is no longer for The People. I guess this is something we can all, republican or democrat, agree on.
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Are you joking? If not, why do you believe this?
No I'm not. The veil came out with the Reagan funeral. I mean, all the major broadcasting channels and newspapers had this aura that they've always professed a leftist view, when in actuality they've done exactly the opposite. I mean, when it comes to issues that they believe do not affect Big Business... then yeah, they'll show you the "leftist" side (racism, pedophilia, etc) but when there's a war or an invasion to be sold, they'll quickly, without hesitation line up with the right and suppress the truth. Some of the channels are now doing it with Iran... still!! They're selling the story because Big Business is tapping them in the shoulder and telling them "it's propaganda time!". And noone else taps people's shoulders better than the Republican party, because they are Big Business. Besides, if you believe Obama is anywhere closer to the "hard left" than McCain then your head is indeed up your ass.
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Be gentle :o ;D
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No I'm not. The veil came out with the Reagan funeral. I mean, all the major broadcasting channels and newspapers had this aura that they've always professed a leftist view, when in actuality they've done exactly the opposite. I mean, when it comes to issues that they believe do not affect Big Business... then yeah, they'll show you the "leftist" side (racism, pedophilia, etc) but when there's a war or an invasion to be sold, they'll quickly, without hesitation line up with the right and suppress the truth. Some of the channels are now doing it with Iran... still!! They're selling the story because Big Business is tapping them in the shoulder and telling them "it's propaganda time!". And noone else taps people's shoulders better than the Republican party, because they are Big Business. Besides, if you believe Obama is anywhere closer to the "hard left" than McCain then your head is indeed up your ass.
The media is all over the death of any high profile person. I haven't done an actual comparison, but I doubt the coverage of Reagan's funeral was much different those of JKF, MLK, JKF Jr., etc.
The media is always jumping on "Big Business." If there is a negative story to report they are all over it.
It's funny how people can look at the same thing and see something completely different. Certain parts of the media definitely tilt left IMO.
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The media is all over the death of any high profile person. I haven't done an actual comparison, but I doubt the coverage of Reagan's funeral was much different those of JKF, MLK, JKF Jr., etc.
The media is always jumping on "Big Business." If there is a negative story to report they are all over it.
Like what? Monica's blowjob to Billy Boy? Billy Boy's $ 200 now imfamous airplane haircut? I mean, gimme a fucking break! What a fucking joke! 5 weeks spent on Lewinsky's case, picking apart every inch of the case and a WHOLE fucking sovereign country like Iraq is invaded based on a few drawings that Powel showed at the Security Counsel. How much time did the media spend on dissecting the case that eventually killed thousands upon thousands of people? Let me put it to you this way, the majority said "Slam dunk". Fucking pieces of shit these people are.
It's funny how people can look at the same thing and see something completely different. Certain parts of the media definitely tilt left IMO.
Don't get me wrong, there IS leftist media, but it's less than 1% of all media. How much actualy air time was JFK's funeral given? Reagan's suckathon was 2-weeks long.
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Don't get me wrong, there IS leftist media, but it's less than 1% of all media. How much actualy air time was JFK's funeral given? Reagan's suckathon was 2-weeks long.
lol
I felt nauseous throughout that two week Reagan love fest. WAY over the top.
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Like what? Monica's blowjob to Billy Boy? Billy Boy's $ 200 now imfamous airplane haircut? I mean, gimme a fucking break! What a fucking joke! 5 weeks spent on Lewinsky's case, picking apart every inch of the case and a WHOLE fucking sovereign country like Iraq is invaded based on a few drawings that Powel showed at the Security Counsel. How much time did the media spend on dissecting the case that eventually killed thousands upon thousands of people? Let me put it to you this way, the majority said "Slam dunk". Fucking pieces of shit these people are.
Don't get me wrong, there IS leftist media, but it's less than 1% of all media. How much actualy air time was JFK's funeral given? Reagan's suckathon was 2-weeks long.
Haha.
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Like what? Monica's blowjob to Billy Boy? Billy Boy's $ 200 now imfamous airplane haircut? I mean, gimme a fucking break! What a fucking joke! 5 weeks spent on Lewinsky's case, picking apart every inch of the case and a WHOLE fucking sovereign country like Iraq is invaded based on a few drawings that Powel showed at the Security Counsel. How much time did the media spend on dissecting the case that eventually killed thousands upon thousands of people? Let me put it to you this way, the majority said "Slam dunk". Fucking pieces of shit these people are.
Don't get me wrong, there IS leftist media, but it's less than 1% of all media. How much actualy air time was JFK's funeral given? Reagan's suckathon was 2-weeks long.
I'm not a fan of the media in general, but you're saying there shouldn't have been extensive coverage of the impeachment of the president?? That was one of the biggest stories in our country's history. I thought the whole thing was a partisan witch hunt, but it was definitely newsworthy.
I do agree that the media often has warped priorities. I also believe they manipulate public opinion.
I don't agree that covering Reagan's funeral is evidence of a conservative media bias. Extensive coverage of the funeral of one of the most popular presidents in history is fine IMO.