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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: windsor88 on July 05, 2008, 05:17:46 PM
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222160.25;topicseen
Seems Milos has some things with Coach....LOL.
Now Coach...what is your exact point?
You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? Roll Eyes
You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?
Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?
You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...
What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...
I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....
I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...
There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...
So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...
So, news to you a Coach ( Roll Eyes...Coach for what exactly? Grin...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you Wink):
Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?
Hmmmmm?
T - A - K - E Y - O - U - R T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? Grin
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Milo's knows his shit...Period!
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Milo's knows his shit...Period!
No doubt about that. I always thought Coach did too. I guess he does but he seems like a snake trying to steal clients from Milos. How can you bash a dude like Milos that builds champions.
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No doubt about that. I always thought Coach did too. I guess he does but he seems like a snake trying to steal clients from Milos. How can you bash a dude like Milos that builds champions.
Coach is playing with fire...He is way out of his league and his ego is what is probably going to be the "what were you thinking moment" in his life like it has so many times on this board...But the board is just the board...If Coach is really badmouthing Milo's in real life, that is not a very "healthy" thing to do...Some people you just don't fuk with...
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No doubt about that. I always thought Coach did too. I guess he does but he seems like a snake trying to steal clients from Milos. How can you bash a dude like Milos that builds champions.
coach needs to stay with bible and away from science haha
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coach owned by slaveboy >>>>
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222342.0
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coach needs to stay with bible and away from science haha
LOL...
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ewww. a jungle party.
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Milos is da man, if you guys have any questions to ask him, just go on the positive board and ask away!
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Milos is da man, if you guys have any questions to ask him, just go on the positive board and ask away!
You guys did a good job getting him back on the boards.
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Oh shit poor Coach!
You guys did a good job getting him back on the boards.
What happened to Milos? Did he leave for a while like all the other pros?
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Oh shit poor Coach!
What happened to Milos? Did he leave for a while like all the other pros?
We're working on getting them back on the Positive Board.
We run a tight ship on the bullshit over there, so if you stop by keep it clean or your shit will get deleted. We are there to converse with those guys and it's not easy convincing any of them to post after some of the shit that was talked to them before.
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The Coach = no different from any other PT except he probably can BS a lot better and probably sells drugs to his clients
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Mishko knows too much....which gets the average guy with average to sub average genetics into trouble.
Guys that have the right gentics...would never need to know a percent of Mishko's knowledge.
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We're working on getting them back on the Positive Board.
We run a tight ship on the bullshit over there, so if you stop by keep it clean or your shit will get deleted. We are there to converse with those guys and it's not easy convincing any of them to post after some of the shit that was talked to them before.
Whoa! I never even knew a "Positive Board" existed on Getbig
It's like the antithesis of Getbig.... Like Bizzaro world
I must have missed what pissed Milos off to leave...
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No doubt about that. I always thought Coach did too. I guess he does but he seems like a snake trying to steal clients from Milos.
"Coach" likes to think he knows everything, until he's manhandled by milos and others. Maybe it's baggage from those 4 divorces.
Coach does appear to know a thing or two about hiding the salami however.
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Whoa! I never even knew a "Positive Board" existed on Getbig
It's like the antithesis of Getbig.... Like Bizzaro world
I must have missed what pissed Milos off to leave...
A combination of alot of shit talking, personal insults about his family, etc..typical getbig stuff.
The Positive Board is slowly picking up steam, Disgusted, Milos and Chris Faildo have stickies where you can ask any type of question you'd like.......Chris is a natural competitor.......
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the positive board is where its at !!!!
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the positive board is where its at !!!!
I'm positive that board sucks.
Proof? Kamali posted there yesterday. :-X
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I'm positive that board sucks.
Proof? Kamali posted there yesterday. :-X
Settle down "goat"boy or the next time you're in CA I'll give Milos directions to your hotel. ;)
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Milo's knows his shit...Period!
Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy. If he wants to go to Cal State Fullerton and get a degree in one of those areas he is free to, and then he will have a BASIC knowledge and can claim he knows his shit.
I have seen a few of his seminar type lectures on youtube, he has picked up a few things about nutrition, but as far as stength, power and the other things he listed, he is just a gym lab monkey and nothing more.
Ask Milos what the orgin, insertion and action are of the brachialis, or the serratus posterior inferior, or what the krebs cycle is-then we will see how smart Milos is.
And yes, I will take that Milos challenge any day of the week.
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Settle down "goat"boy or the next time you're in CA I'll give Milos directions to your hotel. ;)
When I was there a few weeks ago I posted fair warning that I was going to the House of Blues to watch a band, and I didn't see either you or Milos show up to kick my ass. That means you're both pussies!
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Chaos:You are a very lucky man to be able to train at Milos gym.
He was deff one of my fave pros growing up,look at him now, he still looks like he could get on stage and wipe the floor with alot of the bloated messes that repersent bodybuilding in its current state.
The man knows his sh1t no doubt.
Milos is the man imho 8)
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Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy. If he wants to go to Cal State Fullerton and get a degree in one of those areas he is free to, and then he will have a BASIC knowledge and can claim he knows his shit.
But at least the guy posts his picture and doesn't lie about and hide his physique like you. For 3 months you've been saying you'll post a pic to back up your bullshit claim of having 20.5 inch arms.
HHAHAHA how many excuses? can't find a camera, pic came out too small, couldn't get a peak.
just another internet braggart and liar ::)
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But at least the guy posts his picture and doesn't lie about and hide his physique like you. For 3 months you've been saying you'll post a pic to back up your bullshit claim of having 20.5 inch arms.
HHAHAHA how many excuses? can't find a camera, pic came out too small, couldn't get a peak.
just another internet braggart and liar ::)
settle down gimmick, gees
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When I was there a few weeks ago I posted fair warning that I was going to the House of Blues to watch a band, and I didn't see either you or Milos show up to kick my ass. That means you're both pussies!
I must have missed that.........boy I would have jumped at the chance to go out of my way to beat up an anonymous dickweed from getbig. ::)
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I must have missed that.........boy I would have jumped at the chance to go out of my way to beat up an anonymous dickweed from getbig. ::)
Sure you would.
Pussy. ::)
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But at least the guy posts his picture and doesn't lie about and hide his physique like you. For 3 months you've been saying you'll post a pic to back up your bullshit claim of having 20.5 inch arms.
HHAHAHA how many excuses? can't find a camera, pic came out too small, couldn't get a peak.
just another internet braggart and liar ::)
Dont make me post that pic again of the trailer park you live in! ::)
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Sure you would.
Pussy. ::)
I'm so intimidated right now. ::)
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I'm so intimidated right now. ::)
Pussy. ::)
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settle down gimmick, gees
I'll settle down after I've rubbed my cock on your mothers curtains after fucking her
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Pussy. ::)
Yeah, you're a badass. ::)
I just hope you don't post a picture and scare everyone off the board with your massive physique. ::)
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Yeah, you're a badass. ::)
I just hope you don't post a picture and scare everyone off the board with your massive physique. ::)
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Pussy. ::)
You and Milos run home and hide whenever G o a t b o y is in the Los Angeles area. ;D
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Pussy. ::)
You and Milos run home and hide whenever G o a t b o y is in the Los Angeles area. ;D
Yes, there can be only one........
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goatboy whats all this stuff about you being married to an Arab?
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Ask Milos what the orgin, insertion and action are of the brachialis, or the serratus posterior inferior, or what the krebs cycle is-then we will see how smart Milos is.
The typical college education has many flaws of its own. There is a difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something.
"school" teaches you to know the meaning of words. This doesn't automatically dictate an understanding of the subject.
example:
Q: Does insulin effect the oxidation of fatty acids for entry into the Kreb's cycle? (be specific)
A: Insulin passively enters the beta cells of the Islets of Langerhaan in the pancreas via GLUT 2 at a rate commensurate to the rise in circulating blood glucose. Insulin then binds to its receptor on the cell, activating the receptor and initiating signal translation to increase glucose uptake and storage. Insulin catalyses the carboxylation of Acetyl-CoA to lower Malonyl CoA and blunt the transfer of fatty acids to the mitochondria, effectively causing a cessation of fatty acid oxidation on a cell-to-cell basis.
If anyone paid close attention to that, they would see that insulin would actually initiate signal transDUCTION to increase glucose uptake....and PRODUCE instead of lower Malonyl CoA....
In "School," the fact that these two points are incorrect would cause the answer to be at least partially wrong.
However, the POINT of the answer is absolutely correct. The answer shows a definite understanding that Insulin DOES effect the oxidation of fatty acids for entry into the Kreb's cycle. It shows that the student understands how and why this happens. It shows that the student knows how and why insulin could decrease the effectiveness of a diet for losing body fat.
It shows that the students understands how this happens from the point of time when sugar enters the blood stream to the exact point where the decrease in fat loss happens from that sugar.
This would also show a correlation to a wide range of physiologic processes from the Kreb's cycle, receptor binding, carboxylation and decaboxylation, physiology of the pancreas, understanding of the relationship between glucagon and insulin, etc., etc.
This person would likely remember the relationship between these processes for the rest of their life....because they know how it works.
Unfortunately for their GPA.....they didn't understand how "school" works.
A student that has no real understanding of how all these processes relate to one another, BUT knows the definition of a few key words would receive the better grade.
The statement about the difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something is paraphrased from Richard Feynman. IMO, it covers the problems with the American (and many other countries) education system as well as any statement I've seen.
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Not one person is going to read that shit either....
Brutal self-owning.
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Not one person is going to read that shit either....
Brutal self-owning.
True, but it takes a man to concede that point.
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Not one person is going to read that shit either....
Brutal self-owning.
LOL. ;D
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The statement about the difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something is paraphrased from Richard Feynman. IMO, it covers the problems with the American (and many other countries) education system as well as any statement I've seen.
Well, ya lost me on this until I saw you cite RF. Well, I know that he likes hookers and random cab rides, so I figure what ever you say is ok by me. :)
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Not one person is going to read that shit either....
Brutal self-owning.
i read it, but all i got out out of it was
"hey im justin harris and i am a smarty pants show off who likes to use big fuckin words !!!!!" >:(
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The typical college education has many flaws of its own. There is a difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something.
"school" teaches you to know the meaning of words. This doesn't automatically dictate an understanding of the subject.
example:
Q: Does insulin effect the oxidation of fatty acids for entry into the Kreb's cycle? (be specific)
A: Insulin passively enters the beta cells of the Islets of Langerhaan in the pancreas via GLUT 2 at a rate commensurate to the rise in circulating blood glucose. Insulin then binds to its receptor on the cell, activating the receptor and initiating signal translation to increase glucose uptake and storage. Insulin catalyses the carboxylation of Acetyl-CoA to lower Malonyl CoA and blunt the transfer of fatty acids to the mitochondria, effectively causing a cessation of fatty acid oxidation on a cell-to-cell basis.
If anyone paid close attention to that, they would see that insulin would actually initiate signal transDUCTION to increase glucose uptake....and PRODUCE instead of lower Malonyl CoA....
In "School," the fact that these two points are incorrect would cause the answer to be at least partially wrong.
However, the POINT of the answer is absolutely correct. The answer shows a definite understanding that Insulin DOES effect the oxidation of fatty acids for entry into the Kreb's cycle. It shows that the student understands how and why this happens. It shows that the student knows how and why insulin could decrease the effectiveness of a diet for losing body fat.
It shows that the students understands how this happens from the point of time when sugar enters the blood stream to the exact point where the decrease in fat loss happens from that sugar.
This would also show a correlation to a wide range of physiologic processes from the Kreb's cycle, receptor binding, carboxylation and decaboxylation, physiology of the pancreas, understanding of the relationship between glucagon and insulin, etc., etc.
This person would likely remember the relationship between these processes for the rest of their life....because they know how it works.
Unfortunately for their GPA.....they didn't understand how "school" works.
A student that has no real understanding of how all these processes relate to one another, BUT knows the definition of a few key words would receive the better grade.
The statement about the difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something is paraphrased from Richard Feynman. IMO, it covers the problems with the American (and many other countries) education system as well as any statement I've seen.
Very impressive! We need people who know the science behind the break down of fatty acids, and the increase of muscle fibre; they are the only ones who would know how to design a nutrition and exercise program for everybody. But it really isn't rocket science to know the basics of doing cardio and cutting down carbs, to increase the metabolism and lose the fat; to fit into a size small. Fortunately everyone is genetically different; and trimming down fat can be complicated. Not all bodybuilders know what they are doing; and not everyone wants to be built like a bodybuilder. All you need to know is who is saying what, and how well do they practice into their lives what they preach. I've never seen Milos doughy and fat in any off-season/bulking excuse to be a fat slob. I have seen Sahwn Ray guest posing and jiggly, and that was disapointing. Another way to lose unwanted weight weeks before a competition is cocain, right Shawn?
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The typical college education has many flaws of its own. There is a difference between knowing the definition of something and knowing something.
"school" teaches you to know the meaning of words. This doesn't automatically dictate an understanding of the subject.
While what you say is valid, and it is possible to have an understanding of a subject without formal education, and it is also possible to be educated and able to use technical jargon without having a true understanding of the subject, both cases tend to be the exceptions rather than the rules. On the whole, formal education in a subject and degree of understanding of that subject tend to be highly correlated.
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Not one person is going to read that shit either....
Brutal self-owning.
Hey Trop, read your recent Q&A on elitefts. Why do you still insist Waxy Maize Starch is low GI??? ???
You said you had seen data showing it to be "low GI". Do you happen to have the reference?
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Personal Trainer fights are almost as good as chick fights ;D
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Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy. If he wants to go to Cal State Fullerton and get a degree in one of those areas he is free to, and then he will have a BASIC knowledge and can claim he knows his shit.
I have seen a few of his seminar type lectures on youtube, he has picked up a few things about nutrition, but as far as stength, power and the other things he listed, he is just a gym lab monkey and nothing more.
Ask Milos what the orgin, insertion and action are of the brachialis, or the serratus posterior inferior, or what the krebs cycle is-then we will see how smart Milos is.
And yes, I will take that Milos challenge any day of the week.
omg did Milos try to sell you some drugs too? :o ;D
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omg did Milos try to sell you some drugs too? :o ;D
No, but Greg "The Hammer" Reid never one punched me for the 10 count in his gym neither Sean ;D
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Hey Trop, read your recent Q&A on elitefts. Why do you still insist Waxy Maize Starch is low GI??? ???
You said you had seen data showing it to be "low GI". Do you happen to have the reference?
The only time I remember seeing a GI rating on a lab assay showed a low number.
I don't necessarily insist that it has a low GI, but I do insist on wanting people to realize the benefit of a high molecular weight carbohydrate is from its low osmolality, NOT from its GI.
WM will reach the small intestine very quickly. This is the benefit of the WM, and it is entirely independent of its GI rating.
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While what you say is valid, and it is possible to have an understanding of a subject without formal education, and it is also possible to be educated and able to use technical jargon without having a true understanding of the subject, both cases tend to be the exceptions rather than the rules. On the whole, formal education in a subject and degree of understanding of that subject tend to be highly correlated.
I'm certainly not anti-education. I just feel that too much emphasis is placed on memorization and regurgitation of definitions. Too little emphasis is placed on a holistic understanding of subjects. (holistic having no association to holistic medicine....)
As another example:
Q: A rise in the sodium level of the blood will cause an increase in the production of Aldosterone. T or F?
You could have a great understanding of the action and effects aldosterone has in the body. You could know that it is secreted in response to blood sodium levels, you could know that aldosterone affects sodium reabsorption in the distal tubules of the kidneys. You could know and understand that by affecting the reabsorption of sodium, it affects the retention of water by the body.
You could see the entire "big picture," and be able to relay the information in layman's terms to the general public and make THEM understand how it works.
When you eat more salt, the body responds by changing its aldosterone secretion which forces the kidneys to hold on to more sodium. This causes the body to retain more water, which then causes a rise in blood pressure.
You could understand how this affects baroreceptors and how that affects the function of the heart. You could understand bernoulli's principle and how the increase in blood volume from the increased water retention from the increased sodium retention causes a rise in pressure as the blood leaves the heart through the Aortic Valve.
You could even be able to perform the equation of continuity to know exactly how much the pressure is increased.....
You could see the entire big picture.......AND get that question wrong.
If you would have spent too much time LEARNING how aldosterone effects the body and not enough time learning whether aldosterone production is INCREASED or DECREASED, you would get a big fat 0 on that question.
Someone that knows the "game" could have spent 10 seconds memorizing that: decreased blood sodium = increased aldosterone
I'm definitely NOT anti-education. I just feel that the education system could be much more effective if it approached learning differently.
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I also dislike how pompous and self-serving it can look when you write on a subject.
I think the entire set up of the peer-reviewed article....with its 10 dollar words and lack of "flow" does nothing to help further everyone's understanding of a subject.
My personal feeling is that there is no better proof of subject knowledge than the ability to "teach" that subject to someone else....using a language THEY can understand.
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Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy. If he wants to go to Cal State Fullerton and get a degree in one of those areas he is free to, and then he will have a BASIC knowledge and can claim he knows his shit.
I have seen a few of his seminar type lectures on youtube, he has picked up a few things about nutrition, but as far as stength, power and the other things he listed, he is just a gym lab monkey and nothing more.
Ask Milos what the orgin, insertion and action are of the brachialis, or the serratus posterior inferior, or what the krebs cycle is-then we will see how smart Milos is.
And yes, I will take that Milos challenge any day of the week.
milos doesnt know jack shit. only reason he is able to pass as an training/nutritions expert is because he is preaching to people who are total morons. (and drug use which lets you get away with a lot of vodoo bullshit)
his seminars are a joke. inner pecs, giant sets, his nutritional advice. just a bunch of pseudo bullshit.
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The only time I remember seeing a GI rating on a lab assay showed a low number.
I don't necessarily insist that it has a low GI, but I do insist on wanting people to realize the benefit of a high molecular weight carbohydrate is from its low osmolality, NOT from its GI.
WM will reach the small intestine very quickly. This is the benefit of the WM, and it is entirely independent of its GI rating.
Alright. The only data I've seen on high molecular weight carbs is the Vitargo data. Vitargo is very high GI, pretty much identical to malto/dex. People on some forums are under the impression WMS doesn't "spike" insulin either. Makes no sense to me - totally counterintuitive.
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/cgi-bin/ib314/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=12;t=13089;&#top
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milos doesnt know jack shit. only reason he is able to pass as an training/nutritions expert is because he is preaching to people who are total morons. (and drug use which lets you get away with a lot of vodoo bullshit)
his seminars are a joke. inner pecs, giant sets, his nutritional advice. just a bunch of pseudo bullshit.
The thing I notice the most is that Milos belongs to the group who use science and research when it suits them. When the research doesn't fit their views it's "the labcoats don't know jack-shit!" You can't really have it both ways and be credible IMO.
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My personal feeling is that there is no better proof of subject knowledge than the ability to "teach" that subject to someone else....using a language THEY can understand.
Agreed. I have to say though that reading some of your posts here on GB have made me think you were trying to show off instead of teaching in a way most can understand. :D :)
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Milos is a shady character always has been always will be, not to be trusted period.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222160.25;topicseen
Seems Milos has some things with Coach....LOL.
Now Coach...what is your exact point?
You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? Roll Eyes
You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?
Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?
You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...
What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...
I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....
I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...
There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...
So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...
So, news to you a Coach ( Roll Eyes...Coach for what exactly? Grin...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you Wink):
Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?
Hmmmmm?
T - A - K - E Y - O - U - R T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? Grin
F'Owned!
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Agreed. I have to say though that reading some of your posts here on GB have made me think you were trying to show off instead of teaching in a way most can understand. :D :)
It's not his fault most are mental midgets.
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It's not his fault most are mental midgets.
Know your audience.
Making stuff sound complicated doesn't always mean you know what you're talking about either.
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Know your audience.
Making stuff sound complicated doesn't always mean you know what you're talking about either.
I completely agree...which is why I don't speak the same way around "colleagues" as I do around "my boys" 8)
but then again, GOATBALLS calls that, "dumbing it down" ::)
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Milos spanked Coach on this topic. Made him look like a rookie.
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Milos spanked Coach on this topic. Made him look like a rookie.
Coach hasn't replied yet. Let's see what he has to say on the topic of training. Though I suspect the thread will only degenerate to name calling.
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I also dislike how pompous and self-serving it can look when you write on a subject.
I think the entire set up of the peer-reviewed article....with its 10 dollar words and lack of "flow" does nothing to help further everyone's understanding of a subject.
My personal feeling is that there is no better proof of subject knowledge than the ability to "teach" that subject to someone else....using a language THEY can understand.
trop, you should take your own advice here.
i understood exactly what you wrote, but i also thought 'what a cvnt' ;D
Agreed. I have to say though that reading some of your posts here on GB have made me think you were trying to show off instead of teaching in a way most can understand. :D :)
brutal truth
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I'm in no place to post a big response right now (at the Angels game) but, yes Milos, explain to me how you against the "power, strength and hypertrophy" protocol that has been proven even by the people who you even look up too. Also, to the person who said I tried to steal clients from Milos, 1. I would train a bodybuilder is anyway shape or form even if Ronnie Coleman himself offered me a million bucks AND who the fuck is "Dean"??
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Also to Windsor88,
Milos started the negetivity on the other board, you brought over here dick head. Also, how Milos own me? I did respond. You cheapen yourself.
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Hi, look at me... I'm coach, I post from a cell phone!
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Alright. The only data I've seen on high molecular weight carbs is the Vitargo data. Vitargo is very high GI, pretty much identical to malto/dex. People on some forums are under the impression WMS doesn't "spike" insulin either. Makes no sense to me - totally counterintuitive.
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/cgi-bin/ib314/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=12;t=13089;&#top
It isn't intuitive....
WMS reaches the small intestine very quickly, much faster than a LMW carb like dextrose.
If both WMS and Dextrose were to enter the small intestine at the same time, dextrose would spike insulin much higher.
But, WMS and Dextrose don't reach the small intestine at the same time. WMS's low osmolality allows it to reach the small intestine (where the majority of carbohydrate uptake to the bloodstream occurs) faster than Dextrose.
Once in the small intestine, WMS will need to be broken down from its polysaccharide form to individual sugars before it crosses into the bloodstream.
Dextrose is already single molecules of glucose, it can enter the bloodstream in its ingested state.
The problem is that Dextrose sits in the stomach for a while before it is able to make it to the small intestine.
Dextrose is a race horse.
WMS is a mule.
In a straight up race, Dextrose would win.
However, the race isn't straight up. WMS is given a long head start by reaching the small intestine much quicker than dextrose.
My whole point in this thread is that people should treat a statement on the merit of the statement. Not on the status of the person making the statement.
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Camel Jockey, the next time you decide to PM for advise......go f**k yourself!
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Camel Jockey, the next time you decide to PM for advise......go f**k yourself!
Jesus Meltdown!!!
Relax Coach, wouldn't want you to throw you $15 bucket of popcorn and $10 hotdog down the back of the queen in front of you. ;D
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Jesus Meltdown!!!
Relax Coach, wouldn't want you to throw you $15 bucket of popcorn and $10 hotdog down the back of the queen in front of you. ;D
How sweet.... Coach took his new boyfriend to a baseball game!
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F'Owned!
Very cool. Let me throw out: Mil'owned!
;D
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Also to Windsor88,
Milos started the negetivity on the other board, you brought over here dick head. Also, how Milos own me? I did respond. You cheapen yourself.
I know.....that is the Positive board and has no room for what this thread is turning into. I just happen to read Milo's posts at the right time and was floored when he sat you down like a school boy. So I shifted that little snippet over here for discussion. ;D
I am sure if you were that kick ass of a trainer you would have your own thread like Milos has instead of trying to spread the word through "Dean" how Milos is basically not up to your knowledge of physiology.
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Yep, your right, but since I athletes why in the hell would I have my own thread about bodybuilding?
BTW, Milos is the one who tries to steals clients away from other trainers. In "pro" bodybuilding. You can also ask if he's so great why don't they stay? Isn't Wolf going to Chad this year?????????
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Hi, look at me... I'm coach, I post from a cell phone!
that's what i was thinking.
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Well, if that's what you were thinking out of this whole thread, then maybe you should stay out of it!!
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Seems to me just about everyone is an expert in bodybuilding. Some just have a better vocabulary!
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Well, if that's what you were thinking out of this whole thread, then maybe you should stay out of it!!
concentrate on the game man, put the phone down.
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Yep, your right, but since I athletes why in the hell would I have my own thread about bodybuilding?
BTW, Milos is the one who tries to steals clients away from other trainers. In "pro" bodybuilding. You can also ask if he's so great why don't they stay? Isn't Wolf going to Chad this year?????????
If I remember correctly, Milos' is only training people when he has time......some people are better off going to a trainer that can devote more time to them.
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Seems to me just about everyone is an expert in bodybuilding. Some just have a better vocabulary!
hey Vince, what's up? are you still fat?
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hey Vince, what's up? are you still fat?
Welcome back....
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Welcome back....
lol, thanks CQ.
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Yep, your right, but since I athletes why in the hell would I have my own thread about bodybuilding?
BTW, Milos is the one who tries to steals clients away from other trainers. In "pro" bodybuilding. You can also ask if he's so great why don't they stay? Isn't Wolf going to Chad this year?????????
According to "The Coach": McDonalds "steals" money from Burger King each time McDonalds "steals" a client.
"The Coach" is so fun. ;D
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Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy.
Formal training/education means nothing.
Not debating what Milos knows or doesn't know though...
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Camel Jockey, the next time you decide to PM for advise......go f**k yourself!
ROFL...
When I need training advice I PM Camel Jockey.
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There is a vast amount of literature re muscle physiology. Most people here couldn't comprehend it and so need someone to relate that science to them.
What is the test of truth re the things talked about here? How is anyone going to assess the knowledge of those arguing about theories?
I mean, is the test whether Goatboy buys what is posted?
The bottom line is whether the theories deliver growth. Add drugs to the mix and the result is total confusion.
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There is a vast amount of literature re muscle physiology. Most people here couldn't comprehend it and so need someone to relate that science to them.
What is the test of truth re the things talked about here? How is anyone going to assess the knowledge of those arguing about theories?
I mean, is the test whether Goatboy buys what is posted?
The bottom line is whether the theories deliver growth. Add drugs to the mix and the result is total confusion.
I have no idea what you just said, Fats McPervert.
But what I do know is that the Coach lives next door to Sandra Bullock, and therefore knows what he's talking about.
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Fats McPervert.
;D
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Joe....the emails from your phone sound drunk.
Read them before you hit send. They make little sense.
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Formal training/education means nothing.
Not debating what Milos knows or doesn't know though...
I see, so would you allow a brain surgeon to operate on you, if they had taught themselves how to practise medicine. Or would you go with the guy with the PHD from Harvard?
I get your point, but I had to ask.
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without drug speak, training methods don't mean much.
plus, doesn't joe loco train fat housewives and milos trains ifbb pros? kinda different if you ask me.
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without drug speak, training methods don't mean much.
plus, doesn't joe loco train fat housewives and milos trains ifbb pros? kinda different if you ask me.
I get where your coming from, but I know a few high level collegiate strength coaches, and they all respect Joe. He knows his shit.
Your right though, its apples and oranges. Milos is obv very smart.
I would be lying if I said I knew was was going on ( with Milos and Joe), anyway ;)
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I get where your coming from, but I know a few high level collegiate strength coaches, and they all respect Joe. He knows his shit.
Your right though, its apples and oranges. Milos is obv very smart.
to tell you the truth, i don't even know what these two girls are arguing about.
is milos pimping his pink dumbells training, while the coach says its bs? are they disagreeing on nutrition? is the coach calling milos an idiot? joe won't give up his client list, but i think he's mentioned he trains some pro athletes , but more for performance rather than aesthetics. and milos trains only bodybuilders. let's say joe's training a marathon runner. of course he's gonna tell him to eat 4000 calories of carbs a day and not weightlift, while milos might tell his guys to eat zero and do pink dumbell workouts. both work for different people and different goals.
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I have no idea what you just said, Fats McPervert.
But what I do know is that the Coach lives next door to Sandra Bullock, and therefore knows what he's talking about.
Typical Getbig post. No wonder few intelligent people post here.
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Typical Getbig post. No wonder few intelligent people post here.
I fart on your post Vince.
Get over yourself, you're just as "intelligent" as the rest of us. If you were smarter, you'd post elsewhere where brain cell use is required.
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without drug speak, training methods don't mean much.
plus, doesn't joe loco train fat housewives and milos trains ifbb pros? kinda different if you ask me.
Joe trains Quinton Rampage Jackson now, some shitty King of the Cage fighter, and probably other shitty fighters.
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I see, so would you allow a brain surgeon to operate on you, if they had taught themselves how to practise medicine. Or would you go with the guy with the PHD from Harvard?
Neither. I'd go to the guy with an MD. ::)
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I mean, is the test whether Goatboy buys what is posted?
No, the test is whether Vince uses the word "hypertrophy" at least seven times in the post.
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Milos shoots up his guys with insulin while the Coach shoots this guy up with something else ;D
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Know your audience.
Making stuff sound complicated doesn't always mean you know what you're talking about either.
like gh15 says, van bilderass is one of the few people on here who knows what he talks about.
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Milos shoots up his guys with insulin while the Coach shoots this guy up with something else ;D
Q impending meltdown and account deletion! :D
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Seems to me just about everyone is an expert in bodybuilding. Some just have a better vocabulary!
seems to me your an OLD STUPID FUCK who should probably commit suicide and do the rest of us a favor; ... "two dianabol per day" oh brother give me a fucking break you lying piece of dogshit
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Candidizzle, you are the epitome of a knucklehead here on Getbig. Congratulations.
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Candidizzle, you are the epitome of a knucklehead here on Getbig. Congratulations.
vince baswile you are the epitome of a delusional old man who doesnt know jack shit but thinks age= wisdom and thus you are living in your own world of sage intellect and pearls of knowledge which in reality hold absolutely zero worth
why dont you expand on your thoughts on "muscle phisiology" that you were talking about earlier? and how drugs confuse the whole picture??
hahaha
oh brother cant wait to hear what mr "two dianabol per day" has to say on the subject
hahahahahaha
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Candidizzle, you don't have the capacity to absorb even half of the information I post. So continue using your own resources because bodybuilding needs knuckleheads to retain its image of being all brawn.
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Candidizzle, you don't have the capacity to absorb even half of the information I post. So continue using your own resources because bodybuilding needs knuckleheads to retain its image of being all brawn.
hahah !!
shut your mouth you racist son of a bitch !!!
you dont know anything about anything related to bodybuilding....whether its training, nutrition, lifestyle, drugs(two dbol per day !)... you dont know SHIT
now go find a dildo and sit on it you queer old fuck
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hahah !!
shut your mouth you racist son of a bitch !!!
you dont know anything about anything related to bodybuilding....whether its training, nutrition, lifestyle, drugs(two dbol per day !)... you dont know SHIT
now go find a dildo and sit on it you queer old fuck
gay bashing is as bad as racism, you drug addicted queen.
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Most guys who listen to Milos end up in the hospital fi ghting for their life.The power of Milos magic shake is too much for many people ::)
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Most guys who listen to Milos end up in the hospital fi ghting for their life.The power of Milos magic shake is too much for many people ::)
where did your mom end up sean?
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Candidizzle, you open your trap and remove all doubt that you are a knucklehead. Each of your vulgar posts confirm your lack of wit and sense.
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where did your mom end up sean?
Shawn's mom is doing just fine ???
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Candidizzle, you open your trap and remove all doubt that you are a knucklehead. Each of your vulgar posts confirm your lack of wit and sense.
post your knowledge oh great one !! ;D
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Shawn's mom is doing just fine ???
Did she get a teardrop tattoo by her eye while she was locked up?
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I see, so would you allow a brain surgeon to operate on you, if they had taught themselves how to practise medicine. Or would you go with the guy with the PHD from Harvard?
I get your point, but I had to ask.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You got me there. ;D
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Milos has no formal training in either exercise physiciology, kinesiology or anatomy. If he wants to go to Cal State Fullerton and get a degree in one of those areas he is free to, and then he will have a BASIC knowledge and can claim he knows his shit.
I have seen a few of his seminar type lectures on youtube, he has picked up a few things about nutrition, but as far as stength, power and the other things he listed, he is just a gym lab monkey and nothing more.
Ask Milos what the orgin, insertion and action are of the brachialis, or the serratus posterior inferior, or what the krebs cycle is-then we will see how smart Milos is.
And yes, I will take that Milos challenge any day of the week.
Because the guys at Cal State Fullerton are huge, ripped, and won at least 1 pro IFBB show right? :X
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If I'm not mistaken, Shawn Ray went to Cal St Fullerton
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gay bashing is as bad as racism, you drug addicted queen.
Only in California.
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Only in California.
I should move to Texas.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222160.25;topicseen
Seems Milos has some things with Coach....LOL.
Now Coach...what is your exact point?
You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? Roll Eyes
You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?
Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?
You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...
What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...
I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....
I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...
There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...
So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...
So, news to you a Coach ( Roll Eyes...Coach for what exactly? Grin...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you Wink):
Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?
Hmmmmm?
T - A - K - E Y - O - U - R T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? Grin
Ok Milos, all I said was you didn't answer the question, I did not say I disagreed. BUT that being said, how long do YOU think someone should train on high reps......6 weeks, 8, 12 forever?
Back in the day, and sure you might have been apart of this. When I, Rory, Bob Paris and Jon Aranita were under the guidance of Jeff Feliciano, we did 100's type of training, but for only 8 weeks at a time, the therorie was to create hyperplasia. What's your feeling on this?
Now, you seem to want to get personal with all of posts against me.......fine, we BOTH deserve it. You roll your eyes and when it comes to the rep protocol of power, strength and hypertrophy. But are you going to start a young athlete (not bodybuilder) with high reps? We talk on two different wave lengths here Milos, you talk bodybuilding and I talk ATHLETES. I have certain protocol and periodization that my athletes go through to maximize power, strength, hypertrophy and conditioning while minumizing injuries. More on this later.
Bottom line is, my training is based on proven case written studies. I want you show me (us) where reps don't matter? Of course reps might not matter when on drugs, almost any protocol works on drugs mechanics ALWAYS matters.
Also, you're a little off on the "power, strength and hypertrophy" protocol.
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Ok Milos, all I said was you didn't answer the question, I did not say I disagreed. BUT that being said, how long do YOU think someone should train on high reps......6 weeks, 8, 12 forever?
Back in the day, and sure you might have been apart of this. When I, Rory, Bob Paris and Jon Aranita were under the guidance of Jeff Feliciano, we did 100's type of training, but for only 8 weeks at a time, the therorie was to create hyperplasia. What's your feeling on this?
Now, you seem to want to get personal with all of posts against me.......fine, we BOTH deserve it. You roll your eyes and when it comes to the rep protocol of power, strength and hypertrophy. But are you going to start a young athlete (not bodybuilder) with high reps? We talk on two different wave lengths here Milos, you talk bodybuilding and I talk ATHLETES. I have certain protocol and periodization that my athletes go through to maximize power, strength, hypertrophy and conditioning while minumizing injuries. More on this later.
Bottom line is, my training is based on proven case written studies. I want you show me (us) where reps don't matter? Of course reps might not matter when on drugs, almost any protocol works on drugs mechanics ALWAYS matters.
Also, you're a little off on the "power, strength and hypertrophy" protocol.
meltdown.
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And to think this topic started on the "Positive Board".
Getbig at it's best.....
Sandra
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And to think this topic started on the "Positive Board".
Getbig at it's best.....Sandra
He broke his own rule. Did you expect anything less?
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And to think this topic started on the "Positive Board".
Getbig at it's best.....
Sandra
It's not there now is it? On the Positive Board the discussion has moved on.........
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You mean I was debating with some dropout 1.5 dude? The nerve of some losers to criticize other people when they have done bugger all in their own lives. TaylorDizzle! Even if I kept it simple this dope wouldn't grasp the basics.
Besides, why should professionals come here and give information away for free? Well, they can do as they please. That doesn't mean the ignorant can demand information. Go see Milos and pay for good information.
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You mean I was debating with some dropout 1.5 dude? The nerve of some losers to criticize other people when they have done bugger all in their own lives. TaylorDizzle! Even if I kept it simple this dope wouldn't grasp the basics.
Besides, why should professionals come here and give information away for free? Well, they can do as they please. That doesn't mean the ignorant can demand information. Go see Milos and pay for good information.
hahah !
vince, YOU DONT KNOW THE BASICS... and you havent "debated" anything..
all you did was insult me and tell me i was a knucklehead who does nothing but insult people, and then insult me again. haha. epic lack of self irony !!!
you think mentioning the term "hypertrophy" every now and again somehow makes people think your an expert...
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just testing to see if you are online all day. Seems so. Get off the net before it destroys you.
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lol !!
your lack of response is only further proof that the only thing your an expert at is BULLSHITTING ;D
hahah !
vince, YOU DONT KNOW THE BASICS... and you havent "debated" anything..
all you did was insult me and tell me i was a knucklehead who does nothing but insult people, and then insult me again. haha. epic lack of self irony !!!
you think mentioning the term "hypertrophy" every now and again somehow makes people think your an expert...
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Candidazzle you are the resident patsy and everyone is taking turns whipping your sorry ass. I hope you see this. Find another pursuit in life because bodybuilding is a dead end. If you didn't do well in school what makes you think you can succeed in bodybuilding or anything to do with physical culture? Seems to me you are cut out to be a laborer, process worker or something like that. Good luck.
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Candidazzle you are the resident patsy and everyone is taking turns whipping your sorry ass. I hope you see this. Find another pursuit in life because bodybuilding is a dead end. If you didn't do well in school what makes you think you can succeed in bodybuilding or anything to do with physical culture? Seems to me you are cut out to be a laborer, process worker or something like that. Good luck.
LOL !!!
all this talk about "hypertrophy", and it turns out the only thing you know about the word is in what context to use it ;D
vince have your pre paid for your grave site yet? your about that age and you dont want to leave that kinda expense for your family..
:D
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Hey, Candidazzle, you remind me of Debussey. Just because someone responds to you doesn't mean he is your mate.
I hope this helps.
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Hey, Candidazzle, you remind me of Debussey. Just because someone responds to you doesn't mean he is your mate.
I hope this helps.
hahahahaha
man you are pathetic, Basile !!!
you talk such a huge game....all about your theories on "hypertrophy"..ha ha..."i would have loved to debate with mike mentzer on his theories related to hypertrophy" =Vince say.. LOL!!
why the fuck would mike mentzer want to discuss that shit with you??
what do you have to say on the subject???
hahaha
you don't know anything about it !!
and besides the point..mentzer was so jacked up on Crystal and test no way i hell he'd have patience for your dumbass