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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Steve on July 08, 2008, 01:53:38 PM
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I weight around 12st 7lbs, 25 yeras old. And have hit a point in the gym where I cant get any bigger at all what so ever. Have been training for around 6 years. Am I in the (too small bracket) to start looking at steroids. Bearing in mind I am a hard gainer, who does already eat well. Thanks
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did you say 127 lbs and for six years you have been training? well first of all your not eating right and as fas as the gym you need to change it up..because it sounds like you hit a platue about 5 years ago....
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If the jibberish I read is correct, I would agree that your diet wack and your lifting could be adjusted. Follow the old mantra, "eat big to get big", as gay as it sounds that might be the position you have to take bro
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12 stones, 7 pounds... not 127 pounds..
12 stone = 168 lbs
so he is 175
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12 stones, 7 pounds... not 127 pounds..
12 stone = 168 lbs
so he is 175
Yeah. Go the bookstore, get a cup of coffee (with cream bro), read a few of the bodybuilding books over the next few weeks. Once you start doing squats, some deads, and other compound movements you will gain a few pounds. Then in about 10 months you will be rdy for 750mg test and some anadrol.
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Well cheers for replying guys. Yeah Im 170lbs not 127. But just dont feel like I can genetically go up anymore. So recently Iv been looking at other options. Thats why I registered on this board, and am curently reading through some of the older posts. My diet seems fine, plenty of carbs and protein, but maybe I can eat more then.
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Your 25 and have been training for 6 years! Come on over, the dark side is ready for you. Deciding to use gear is a personal decision. You seem ready to me. You probably have your training down, diet sounds as if you might not be getting enough cals. Post a sample of your diet, because even with gear you will need the cals to grow. I personally don't see any reason why you couldn't start a cycle. I am not in the camp that thinks one needs to hit their maximum natural potential before using.
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supplementing with something small like 200mg of test cyp
won't get you huge, but may be enough to put some good
muscle on ya. May people prefer higher doses, and higher doses
does work more drasticly, but 200mg is something most don't think about,
but does work.
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yeah, post an average day's eating, and maybe your training split.
even on steroids diet and training are still the most important thing.
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6 yrs is plenty... im sure youve got a good solid base by now.. training naturaly is like havn sex with a condom on, its ok for a while, but doesnt compare
why deprive your self of all the fun u could be having, you only live once, go for it man..... u never know, u might be a responder and end up a freak
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Cheers for the response guys. It seems like mixed reports. Yeah im defo going to do some more research, and speaking to you guys is a great help. Ill give you an example of what I ate today:-
Breakfast: Poached Eggs 3 on Toast
Lunch: Tunna, Cheese, mayo salad sandwich
Tea: Chicken Breast, Rice, green beans, broccoli
ill probably have a snack of somesort before bed.
But my diet usually consists of stuff like that. Also; beef, turkey, salmon, cod, all vegs (broccoli, cauliflower, sweetcorn, green beans, cabbage etc), eggs, potatoes. Also I have only just found ot that nuts are a great source of protein.
Maybe I could be getting a coule of extra meals in there aswell. Cheers
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you, definitely need to re vamp that diet bro. MUCH more protin, as well as you need at least 5 meals per day
"breakfast, lunch and dinner"? try, "meals 1, 3, and 5." ;)
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Yeh why not throw in a few protein shakes between meals??
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yeah, re think the way you eat
3 eggs ? even if they are whole eggs, your only looking at 18 g protien in your breakfast. !!!
come on dude, most bodybuilders eat anywhere from 40-125 g of protein in every meal and eat that 5-8 times per day. now, 5 meals of 40 grams is a huge difference than 8 meals of 125 grams, of course. and i wouldnt suggest you eating any more than 50 g per meal, but you still need to try to get at LEAST 40-50 g per meal each meal and eat that at LEAST 5 times per day
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Right cheers bud. Im looking at my diet at the minute. If I were to go up to five meals a day, it would definatley be possible. Because even though im not big at 170lbs, I am always hungry and can always squeeze more food in. I just have to think of some snacks in between meals that would be good. And yeah, I do need to get on the protein shakes, Iv been on them before, but not for a sustained period of time. Any reccomendations on which manufacturers are the best. Cheers :)
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Right cheers bud. Im looking at my diet at the minute. If I were to go up to five meals a day, it would definatley be possible. Because even though im not big at 170lbs, I am always hungry and can always squeeze more food in. I just have to think of some snacks in between meals that would be good. And yeah, I do need to get on the protein shakes, Iv been on them before, but not for a sustained period of time. Any reccomendations on which manufacturers are the best. Cheers :)
check out my avatar, underneath it i got a discuount code for a website called true protein
its where i always get my protein from
you can create your own custom mix, i like to do 50% casein 50% whey.
its very affordable and super high quality.
the guy who owns it is dante, the originator of doggcrapp training. (used by david henry and others). hes a swell guy, he posts here soemtimes.
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Cheers mate. I will have a look and see what they have got on there.
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i take back everything i said.... cant beleive that diet, u want to get to basics with eating and most probably training
forgett snacks between meals, u want to be eating 5 to 7 equal sized meals thru the day... personaly id go for 7 meals, but goin from 3 to 7's a canny jump
heres a good example diet for u
1.. oatshake(protein, oats & bananna blended), handfull of almonds
2.. chkn, sweet pot, green beans, spn of olive oil
3 tuna,baked pot, brokoli, spn of olive oil
4.. chkn, sweet pots, green beans, oil
5.. oatshake,nuts
u wanna be aiming for 3 to 4 sessins in the gym all heavy basic movements, nothing fancy, squats, rows, deadlifts, milt press etc etc
1 yrs time you should be a good 2 stone heavier, then join the dark side.....
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Local Hero. Thats a big help mate thanks. When you say 'nothing fancy' regarding the gym. Were you reffering to resistance machines or what exercises. Theres defo some stuff I could do with throwing out of my workout. Also was wondering if you lot are eating big food, how many protein shakes are you chucking in aswel, is it the usual 3 per day. Cheers
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Local Hero. Thats a big help mate thanks. When you say 'nothing fancy' regarding the gym. Were you reffering to resistance machines or what exercises. Theres defo some stuff I could do with throwing out of my workout. Also was wondering if you lot are eating big food, how many protein shakes are you chucking in aswel, is it the usual 3 per day. Cheers
just lift hard and heavy make sure to workout the whole body. eat alot, mainly protein. try to eat every couple hours.
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Cheers mate. Yeah I will need to. Am also looking into what I can blend in with the shakes. Never really thought about that before. Just reading some olders posts on what I can add to them
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EAT MORE EAT MORE EAT MORE EAT MORE >:(
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After how many years of training, or at what age, is the ideal time for someone to start juicing? This question is for anyone.
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After how many years of training, or at what age, is the ideal time for someone to start juicing? This question is for anyone.
i whenever you feel you are ready
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i whenever you feel you are ready
How many years did you train before you tried them?
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How many years did you train before you tried them?
3 years bro
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3 years bro
Thanks big man 8)
You think it's worth it? Have you seen good results?
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Thanks big man 8)
You think it's worth it? Have you seen good results?
i cant tell you if its going to be worth it for you dude. so many factors to consider.
personally my results are about what i expected. nothing too dramatic, but not dissapointed either.
i will tell you one thing... if your anything like me.. once you "take the plunge", you wont be going back.
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Ok cool man, thanks :)
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I`ve been training since I was 13 and started juicing when I was 23 and now I am 26. My reason was so I can compete, a year and a half later I won my first competition I ever entered, light-heavy and overall. Since I want to turn pro now I won`t be getting off the juice any time soon, so for me its worth it. Everybody`s different and you obviously have reasons of your own to cross over, but I will say this... Steroids will do next to nothing if you aren`t dieting correctly ( for size or definition) and your training is off. It will only do its part if you do yours. A lot of people are under the impression that their going to look like the guys in mags from juicing and all they get is a big wakeup call. Not trying to discourage you, just advising you to get every other aspect about building muscle and losing fat down pat first.
Hope this helps.
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I`ve been training since I was 13 and started juicing when I was 23 and now I am 26. My reason was so I can compete, a year and a half later I won my first competition I ever entered, light-heavy and overall. Since I want to turn pro now I won`t be getting off the juice any time soon, so for me its worth it. Everybody`s different and you obviously have reasons of your own to cross over, but I will say this... Steroids will do next to nothing if you aren`t dieting correctly ( for size or definition) and your training is off. It will only do its part if you do yours. A lot of people are under the impression that their going to look like the guys in mags from juicing and all they get is a big wakeup call. Not trying to discourage you, just advising you to get every other aspect about building muscle and losing fat down pat first.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the advice man, much appreciated. Congrats on your competitions and good luck.
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Local Hero. Thats a big help mate thanks. When you say 'nothing fancy' regarding the gym. Were you reffering to resistance machines or what exercises. Theres defo some stuff I could do with throwing out of my workout. Also was wondering if you lot are eating big food, how many protein shakes are you chucking in aswel, is it the usual 3 per day. Cheers
Like everyone is saying, you're not eating nearly enough. IMO, a male trying to add size should be eating a minimum of 6 meals per day, all meals should be relatively equal in size, i.e. calorie intake, protein, etc.
If you eat this much and eventually stop gaining again, bump it up to 8 meals per day. Of course some guys can't eat that many meals or they got too fat...but most anyone can eat 6 and be fine.
Try this for now:
6 meals per day
50g of protein per meal meat, protein powder, eggs etc.
All meals spaced out evenly
50 carbs per meal...oats, rice, etc.
20g fat per meal...good fats only...nuts, PB, lean beef, fish oil, etc.
Immediately following your workout, 50g of protein isolate powder, 50-75g fast acting carbs, i.e. waxy maze, virtigo, etc. This counts as a meal.
Add PB to your shakes, 2-3 tbsp per shake...these count as meals. Forgo PB in post workout shake IMO. Have your post workout shake and eat next meal 45-60min later.
Feel free to enjoy a little junk food as well. Have at least one meal per wk. Since you're naturally lean from the sound of things, feel free to have a few more now and then. Limit it to one per day, but not every day IMO...find a balance. Most meals should be clean.
Like I said, if this does not work, bump it up to 8 meals per day. BTW, this will work.
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i dont want to make this into a debate about nutrition, but in my opinion you definitely dont want to combine carbs and fats like that.
but lets not confuse steve with too much details.. EAT , STEVE, EAT !!
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well i want to argue this.... theres nothing wrong with havn fats and carbs in the same meals, its complete bullshit
im sure im goin to get a page long response with some amazing sceintific facts,,, but just think about it logicly, surely balanced meals are better for your body, just in a common sence way..
im not the only one to think so, all the local top amatures, the 3 brit pro's i know, they all eat balanced meals, there all in great shape.. i eat the same, ive done my fair share of shows, and best ive ever looked is eating this way
people should stop tryin to make things more complicated than they need to be
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After how many years of training, or at what age, is the ideal time for someone to start juicing? This question is for anyone.
I had been training for 7 years and i was 20 years old. 107 kg's. I know that most think that they train hard, they don't. Most guys also think that they eat enough, truth is they don't.
As for you new guy do stuff like heavy presses and squats in the gym.
BTW: If you feel that you are not hungry, do what i do, eat anyway and if you feel like staying at home and not going to the gym go anyway...
As far as food goes, try something like this:
wake up: six whole eggs (you can drink them, if you live in the real world and not some 3rd world country, from your post i think that you're from UK.)
go back to sleep if you can
+1 hour BIG breakfast, with plenty of carbs
+2 hours large steak and lot of potatoes
+2 hours large protein shake with milk
+2 hours half a chicken and plenty of rice
+2 hours protein shake
+2 hours large steak + potatoes
+2 hours large steak
Also eat omegas, vitamins and some bread to get fiber.
If you are working and cant get the steak or chicken it's OK to eat at MCD's just make sure you eat enough. Sorry if i sounded like an a-hole, but you need shaking up. Also many will disagree with this "plan" but i don't care since i'm propably twice their size anyway... And no offense but i have a 13-year old brother who has been training allmost two years and he eats about three times more than you do, so if you want you can do it. If you don't have enough money just sell your car, house whatever... the point is there is no excuses.
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well i want to argue this.... theres nothing wrong with havn fats and carbs in the same meals, its complete bullshit
people should stop tryin to make things more complicated than they need to be
simple = carbs release insulin. insulin is a storeage hormone. where do fats store?
also, most fats decrease insulin sensitivity.
but this is neither here nor there, it doesnt matter to steve, he just needs to eat more
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well tell me this,, if thats the case how can some of the best conditioned bodies follow the old routine, protien, carbs and fats in each meal... if its such a bad thing,, how did they look so good,, how did i get ripped eating fats and carbs in 8 meals everyday???????
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well tell me this,, if thats the case how can some of the best conditioned bodies follow the old routine, protien, carbs and fats in each meal... if its such a bad thing,, how did they look so good,, how did i get ripped eating fats and carbs in 8 meals everyday???????
if you want a lesson in nutrition you can shoot me a p.m. or you can start a thread in the nutrition section. i should never have said anything in this thread t begin with; but i thought me saying " i dont want to get into a debate about nutrition" would have sufficed.
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Thanks for all of your advice. It all helps loads. Youv all said mainly the same thing EAT MORE. So thats what Im looking at for the next few months.
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if you want a lesson in nutrition you can shoot me a p.m. or you can start a thread in the nutrition section. i should never have said anything in this thread t begin with; but i thought me saying " i dont want to get into a debate about nutrition" would have sufficed.
soon as u step on stage and actualy place in a show u can teach me all u want to know about nutrition, training or your steroid theories
until then........
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soon as u step on stage and actualy place in a show u can teach me all u want to know about nutrition, training or your steroid theories
until then........
::) hey bro, ive got no animosity towards you. kep your hate and your negative comments on the g&o. if you have some kind of factual information you want to post up to contradict soemthing i say then go ahead, but the petty little remarks about personal experience...when you have no proof of ANY experience... is pretty lame.
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::) hey bro, ive got no animosity towards you. kep your hate and your negative comments on the g&o. if you have some kind of factual information you want to post up to contradict soemthing i say then go ahead, but the petty little remarks about personal experience...when you have no proof of ANY experience... is pretty lame.
When have you ever posted anything factual (other than cut and paste) on this board or any other board for that matter...It seems like you can have an opinion on anything and everything but when someone else's opinion does not agree wiith yours you cry hate or proof/facts...IMO
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When have you ever posted anything factual (other than cut and paste) on this board or any other board for that matter...It seems like you can have an opinion on anything and everything but when someone else's opinion does not agree wiith yours you cry hate or proof/facts...IMO
bro whatever. "cut and paste". yeah okay, where di you cut and paste this negative comment from bro? get it from google? psh.
bro you can come talk to me face to face and ill explain to you how all this stuff works off the top of my head and it will all be accurate and in depth. what makes somebody who learns from a professor, a better source than somebody who learns from the books and studies that that professor learned from?
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but the fact is, i do have actual experience, ive been there and done it and been around those whove took it even further...as have several others on here,and im willing to exchange ideas and listen to there point of view
u havent got any experience at all, all u have to back up your theories is more theories... they mean fuck all with out an end product
to put it another way, theres not a single person would give u the time of day in the gym in a debate over training, nutrition or gear..
you get a platform to speak only because its a msg board, and some poor fuckers with the same level of development as u actualy beleive the shite your spouting out..
now in 5 or so yrs time, when u actualy look like your a bodybuilder, and have sussed how things work in the real world, not just on paper, i'll be more than willing to listen to u
until then...............
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hey bro, untill you post a picture of yourself or show proof of all this experience you tak about... you have a physique worse than mine in my last photos i posted. because if yours WAS better, you owuld have posted pictures. ;)
so shut up about what YOU THINK i look like.
theories? no, no theories. theories like how you say test-free cycles are good and how sustanon works better than enanthate? theories like that?
LOL
if you want to learn some real FACTUAL information..
here, go to the source; where i go
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/
http://www.bodyofscience.com/
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ive posted several pictures... im no yates, but im no mug
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ok fair enough, you can say whatever youd like about how your physqiue compares to mine. 4 now ;)
but that doesnt mean you bring your negativity and hate to this board. you shouldnt get mad because i correct you or present some information that contradicts what you think you know. if you dont like to be wrong, then do some research on your own and dont open your mouth when your not 100% positive what your saying is fact. :D
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im not tryn to be a girl,,,but i dont get how u can advise people on how to do somthing before youve actualy done it your self?
for all i know you might be onto somthing, u might know everything u need to know to get huge...proofs in the pudding tho
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im not tryn to be a ####,,,but i dont get how u can advise people on how to do somthing before youve actualy done it your self?
for all i know you might be onto somthing, u might know everything u need to know to get huge...proofs in the pudding tho
ive done plenty of this shit already. most everything i say is coming from personal experience regarding useage. if its not from personal experience, i would be sure to say so in my post and give a reference for wherever the info was coming from.
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bro whatever. "cut and paste". yeah okay, where di you cut and paste this negative comment from bro? get it from google? psh.
bro you can come talk to me face to face and ill explain to you how all this stuff works off the top of my head and it will all be accurate and in depth. what makes somebody who learns from a professor, a better source than somebody who learns from the books and studies that that professor learned from?
How is this from your other post not cut and paste? Splain Lucy, Splain
Sun Exposure and Fat Loss
Written by Dan Gwartney, MD
Monday, 09 April 2007
"Eureka!" is heard as scientists uncover new discoveries, the cry accompanied by a cartoon light bulb appearing overhead. If that cartoon scene holds a clue to fat loss, it may be the light cast by the bulb. Insane, right? Surely fat loss is not as simple as upgrading from 60 to 75 watts? Of course it isn't, but there is a body of evidence suggesting that fat loss may be related to light exposure, more specifically, sun exposure.
Understanding the process involved is at first complex, but with a little effort, it becomes clear. In fact, don't be surprised if you need to read this article two or three times to fully understand it, as it deals with true cutting-edge science. The process likely evolved eons ago, when man was just learning to walk upright and considered fire to be a message from the gods. Before the advent of air-conditioning, forced-air furnaces and grocery stores, mankind responded to the changes in season just the way animals continue to do today.
The only measure of time available to primitive man was the length of the day, with shorter days announcing the coming of winter and a period of famine (starvation). As the days lengthened, warmer weather approached and food became more readily available. Man responded to the coming of winter by storing fat and burning fewer calories, while summer required him to shed those excess pounds to hunt and gather without becoming prey to carnivorous predators. The question arises: How did the sun signal primitive man to store fat for the winter and shed fat in the summer?
Pieces of a Puzzle
The path from sunshine to fat loss is like a puzzle in which all the pieces have to be identified and put together to form the picture. A close look at the pieces will show how they fit together and then the picture will be clear.
The sun is a source of ultraviolet (UV) rays, which cause oxidative stress (molecular injury) on the skin cell membrane and can lead to skin damage or cancer.1,2 The body has a mechanism for protecting against UV-caused skin damage by increasing the amount of a protective pigment called eumelanin.3,4 Eumelanin pigment builds up in the skin following UV exposure; this process is easily recognized by every sunbather as "tanning." Sunshine and tanning seems like a simple cause-and-effect relationship, but there are a number of steps involved before the appearance of the first freckle. Even more incredible is the far-reaching impact of the UV-tanning cascade on other tissues, including fat cells and the brain.
When UV rays strike the skin cell surface, they turn on certain genes within the cell's DNA.4,5 These genes produce a pre-prohormone called proopiomelancortin (POMC).4,5 POMC is broken down to smaller fragments, including a class of hormones called melanocortins.4-8 Specific melanocortins, including ∝-MSH (melanocyte stimulating hormone) stimulates the actual eumelanin production, resulting in a tan.4,9 Not surprisingly, eumelanin is an antioxidant, protecting against further UV-related damage, which explains why the body responds with a tan when assaulted by UV rays.3
Sun Exposure and Fat Loss
This describes how and why the sun tans the skin, but not how sun exposure causes fat loss. The hormones involved in the body's response to sun exposure, the melanocortins, are players in other tissues besides the skin.
A great deal of attention has been paid to a recent discovery in fat cell metabolism- a hormone known as leptin. Leptin is produced by the fat cells in abundance when fat content is high, and leptin levels drop as body fat is lost.10-12 Leptin, when administered as a drug, causes normal humans and rats to eat less and burn more calories.10-12 However, attempts to turn leptin into a fat loss drug have failed because most obese people do not respond to leptin treatment. This is called leptin resistance.10,12,13 Leptin research has continued and scientists have discovered that leptin acts upon certain areas of the brain, stimulating the production of- yup- melanocortins.10-12,14
These melanocortins, the same hormones produced by the skin, suppress the appetite centers in the brain, decreasing the amount of food eaten and causing weight loss.10,12 Animal experiments injecting melanocortins directly into the brain have proven the actions and effectiveness of these hormones.10,15,16
However, there are always checks and balances in the body, and the leptin-melanocortin system is no exception. A separate hormone, called agouti, is also present in the same areas of the brain and competes with the melanocortins.7,10,11,15-18 When the balance is tipped towards agouti, the subject becomes hungry, increasing food intake and gaining weight.10,11,14,16,18 So, leptin increases when the body gets fatter, causing the brain to produce melanocortins, which suppress the appetite. To avoid losing weight too rapidly, a counter-hormone called agouti competes with the melanocortins when body fat drops, restoring the appetite.
Research has shown that melanocortins injected into the body affect the brain and weight gain, just like they do when injected directly into the brain.6,8,13,19-21 This suggests that melanocortins produced in the skin may circulate through the bloodstream and affect the brain and other tissues.
Interestingly, the same hormones that cause tanning also affect the appetite, but fat loss involves more than controlling the appetite. Melanocortins and agouti, the same hormones competing to control the appetite in the brain, both act on the fat cell.6,17,22-24 Fat cells contain receptors that respond to agouti by increasing the concentration of calcium in the fat cell.22,23
Increased calcium inside the fat cell promotes lipogenic process and enzymes, creating more fat inside the cell, decreasing fat loss.22,23,25,26 When the balance outside the cell favors melanocortins, calcium is prohibited from entering the fat cell and stored fat is broken down and released, to be burned as fuel by the body.6,23,24
The Vitamin D Factor
The actions of melanocortins and agouti on the fat cell appear to involve modifying the effects of vitamin D. Vitamin D is created in the skin, in a reaction involving sun exposure.25 It is sensible that the skin would generate and release a messenger hormone (vitamin D is a steroid molecule) that acts upon the fat cell. During winter, which would be anticipated by a shorter period of daylight, fat would function both as a source for stored energy and as a thermal insulator, protecting against the oncoming cold weather. During the summer, an individual needs to shed the blanket of fat to be more mobile and to improve heat loss. Failure to lose the stored fat would have put primitive man at a disadvantage, making him slow and prone to heat exhaustion when hunting or avoiding predators.
In addition to these effects, it appears that melanocortin is also able to increase the body's metabolism, increasing the rate at which calories are burned. Animal data suggest that in the presence of melanocortins, uncoupling protein-3 is increased.13,15,19,20 Uncoupling proteins make the body less efficient, causing calories to be released as heat, rather than used for energy production. Adding to the metabolic increase is the effect of melanocortins on thyroid hormone release. When exposed to melanocortins, the thyroid increases its output, further increasing the body's metabolism and fat burning rate. 26
A Potent Mechanism
So many pieces, but when put in place, they describe a potent mechanism by which the body reacts to the anticipated onset of famine (winter) and feasting (summer). Sunlight "irritates" the skin, turning on a genetic sequence, creating melanocortins. These melanocortins increase the skin's pigment (eumelanin) but also circulate throughout the body, possibly affecting other systems. Melanocortins have been shown to affect fat storage and release, appetite and the metabolic rate of the entire body. Within the brain, melanocortin production is influenced by the amount of fat stored by the body, and appears to be involved in weight (fat) maintenance, even in the absence of sunlight.
Apparently the process has not escaped the attention of several pharmaceutical companies who have rushed to patent a number of drugs that act like the naturally produced melanocortins.27-33 Much of the research is currently focused on the use of melanocortin-like drugs to treat obesity7,21,27,34 and impotence28-38 (yes, it increases erections too), in addition to the tanning effect, leading the press to call these drugs "Barbie drugs" after the ever-beautiful BarbieŽ Dolls.39
When considered as a whole, this evidence would suggest that increasing sun exposure, sufficient to cause a tanning response, may support fat loss efforts. Tanning might make dieting easier by decreasing the appetite, reducing food intake and increasing the use of stored fat for calories. The stored fat may be more readily released and burned as fuel. Those who do not tan easily, such as redheads and those with fair skin, are unlikely to benefit to the same degree.1,2,9,40,41
Tanning is not without risk, as skin damage and cancerous changes increase with prolonged and excessive sun exposure. It's recommended that a skin cancer screen be performed prior to tanning and if any skin lesions or changes are noted.
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How is this from your other post not cut and paste? Splain Lucy, Splain
uuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm bro-ski that was on the g&o and it was OBVIOUSLY copy and paste
i dont think anyone was going to see that thread and think that was my writing.
are you retarded?
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uuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm bro-ski that was on the g&o and it was OBVIOUSLY copy and paste
i dont think anyone was going to see that thread and think that was my writing.
are you retarded?
Since you are so fond of Wikapedia you might want to look up the work rhetoric...
As far as the retarded comment goes, which is what I have also noticed you use insults when someone shows you that you are wrong, all i can say is everytime you point a finger (me being retarded) there are 3 pointed back at you...
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Since you are so fond of Wikapedia you might want to look up the work rhetoric...
As far as the retarded comment goes, which is what I have also noticed you use insults when someone shows you that you are wrong, all i can say is everytime you point a finger (me being retarded) there are 3 pointed back at you...
gimmick you have three posts and they are all dedicated to me. i am honored. ;)
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gimmick you have three posts and they are all dedicated to me. i am honored. ;)
Stop trying to avoid of subject of your ignorance and answer up son
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Stop trying to avoid of subject of your ignorance and answer up son
ignorance?
try me
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Some people are just plain thick ::)
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IAMTHEGAME thanx for hijacking the thread and turning this into nothing but a bull shit bash session. Now go back to the rest of getbig.
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ignorance?
try me
You try yourself everytime you open your mouth you prove it again and again
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IAMTHEGAME thanx for hijacking the thread and turning this into nothing but a bull shit bash session. Now go back to the rest of getbig.
Agreed. If you can't control yourself, go away. Serious business here.
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first of all ,, no disrespect, but theres no way you've been training for that long and all of a sudden cant gain. Im a hard gainer and I'll tell you now its cuz ur not eating on schedule. I lifted for two years and got hard looking but wondered why i didnt BULK lik some of my friends were. PLAIN and SIMPLE i "thought" or "said to myself" that i was eating enough but i wasnt. My roommate finally for one week was like,, eat what i eat,, and i gained 10lbs in two weeks because he was literally, no cheating, every threee hours was gorging food,, and this was on a dbol only cycle. So,, eat more and then evaluate whats goin on. One thing ive learned in the past six months is,,,, DIET IS EVERYTHING, no cliche.. try it.
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IMO, the ability to eat fats and carbs together depends on genetics and the types of fats and carbs you are eating.
From experience, I never combine carbs with fat when dieting and it makes a HUGE difference.
If not dieting, I only eat low GI complex carbs, such as Lentils with good fats such as EFA's. Even then, I only eat a reasonable amount of carbs (1/2 cup Lentils with 1 Tbsp Udo's Choice Oil).
Also, regardless of whether I am dieting or trying to grow, I never combine fats with higher GI meals like I eat in the morning and around workouts.
Doing this I successfully grow without adding much if any fat. FWIW, I average just above 4,000 calories per day and don't put on fat when growing, even without Clen, T3 or any other fat burner in my supplement plan.
I know this because I track my average calories per week and can calculate my metabolic rate and EXACTLY how many calories I am eating in excess of my maintenance level. I adjust accordingly so that I eat enough to grow, but not put on fat.
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Also, go to the nutrition board and learn the basics. These guys are giving you good advice on what to eat, but you need to understand WHY you need certain amounts of macros, timing, etc. That way, you will understand how to create your own diet.
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IMO, the ability to eat fats and carbs together depends on genetics and the types of fats and carbs you are eating.
From experience, I never combine carbs with fat when dieting and it makes a HUGE difference.
If not dieting, I only eat low GI complex carbs, such as Lentils with good fats such as EFA's. Even then, I only eat a reasonable amount of carbs (1/2 cup Lentils with 1 Tbsp Udo's Choice Oil).
Also, regardless of whether I am dieting or trying to grow, I never combine fats with higher GI meals like I eat in the morning and around workouts.
Doing this I successfully grow without adding much if any fat. FWIW, I average just above 4,000 calories per day and don't put on fat when growing, even without Clen, T3 or any other fat burner in my supplement plan.
I know this because I track my average calories per week and can calculate my metabolic rate and EXACTLY how many calories I am eating in excess of my maintenance level. I adjust accordingly so that I eat enough to grow, but not put on fat.
omega-3 will help you "handle" carbohydrates. they are great to combine wit carbs. all other fats, not so much. high gla omega-6 would be "fence riders"...you can use em, they wont help, they wont hurt. all other fats, even "EFA" omega-9 like olive oil(EVOO), shouldnt be mixed with starchy carbohydrates.
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If you have the proper genetics then it doesn't matter what you eat in the off-season or what kind of combination because the body is pretty good at adapting and it will adjust your metabolism as long as you are getting enough protein 1 gram -1.5 grams and even more if you are on the juice. In the case that you are naturally a little fat as in chunky growing up as a kid then you must jeep the simple suger to a minimum and keep your fat in take to a minimum while you are eating high carbs, off-season only.
Now as for people who do not eat enough. All kinds of people will tell you to eat this and that, you must eat 5-6 meals a day and when you try you are worrying about missing a meal here and there and are trying to get the proper portions in, so it can get to be to much work and hard to keep track of everything and most people just give up while trying to follow a meal plan so here is my suggestion instead of following a meal plan, make a list of all the food you are going to eat in one day and when you wake up in the morning you start and don't worry about meals as long as you get it all in at the end of the day. Your body will eventually tell you when its hungry and you will develop your own pattern whether its 5 meals or 10.
Here is my sample, keep in mined that I take it a little extreme, I'm on a lot of juice and I am 250 with 12%, I last competed in April 07 at 185 pounds and I start my diet in one month for Nov and I intend to compete at 210 pounds, thats a full 25 pounds and this is what I've been eating; I don't count protein, don't count fats or carbs, just keep it simple.
30 pieces of chicken
half loaf of bread
2 liters of milk
2 liters of juice( do not recommand this)
2 bowls of raisin brand
4 servings of either rice or patatoes
4 servings of corn
2 servings of brocoli
2 bananas
2 apples
6 scoops of whey protein
6 scoops of protein from a mass gainer :)
This is for one day only
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what is a piece of chicken? You surely cant be eating 30 whole chicken breasts in one day. Is this a typo?
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what is a piece of chicken? You surely cant be eating 30 whole chicken breasts in one day. Is this a typo?
Well since its off-season I stay away from chicken breast because its my main food during contest prep, so I go with the dark meat like drums and thighs, One drum= 1 piece. I also take all the skin of because that would be way to much fat over 30 pieces. Chicken is cheap, a good source of protein and it taste good, can't go wrong with chicken.
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I'd guess there's a fair bit of fat in the dark meat tho.
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onetime, thats a whole lot of fructose and simple carbs and like zero efa's bro.
i appreciate your big eating !
you should thik about cutting out the juice and the fruit, incorporating a bunch of oats and whole grains, and throwing in a couple hundred cals of efa's at night with your last meal. specifically o3 and high gla o6
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onetime, thats a whole lot of fructose and simple carbs and like zero efa's bro.
i appreciate your big eating !
you should thik about cutting out the juice and the fruit, incorporating a bunch of oats and whole grains, and throwing in a couple hundred cals of efa's at night with your last meal. specifically o3 and high gla o6
Absolutely negative; however you aren't wrong but my day job is roofing. Try being on the roof 10 hours a day in 30 dgree weather. Without the suger all my muscle will melt away. Like I said in my original post I don't recommend the 2 liters of juice, but I can garuntee I burn it all. I will show you a spectaculer package this Nov. Candidizzle you will be convinced that I belong in the Ifbb's with Andreas Munzer like conditioning, my word 8)
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Absolutely negative; however you aren't wrong but my day job is roofing. Try being on the roof 10 hours a day in 30 dgree weather. Without the suger all my muscle will melt away. Like I said in my original post I don't recommend the 2 liters of juice, but I can garuntee I burn it all. I will show you a spectaculer package this Nov. Candidizzle you will be convinced that I belong in the Ifbb's with Andreas Munzer like conditioning, my word 8)
well im looking forward to seeing that !
okay i can live with the sugar. i am still not at all a fan of fructose dude ! :)
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A lot of people know what they are talking about, but the fact is their are a lot of varibles that need to be considered in every individual; the most important being genetics, followed by what kind of lifestyle a person lives like, and then what kind of hormans are involved. Suger at first glance may sound wrong but it definately serves its purpose. The body is very mysteriouse, and it gets more complicated when people have superior genetics. There are things that I can tell you that you will think I am bullshitt, but they are true. A few examples, I had a six pack when I was 6 years old, When I did my show on a saturday I weighed 185 and on tuesday I weighed 220, I swear by everything, this is what you call superior genetics. I also never in my life have been over 14 % bodyfat. Mcdonalds everyday at times and still hold a six pack. This is why I set up my diet the way I do, When its time to diet 45-50 pounds comes off in 12 weeks. No cheating, pure will-power.
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thats all good and well
...i still dont like all the fructose :D
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thats all good and well
...i still dont like all the fructose :D
;D
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us working men can get away with murder diet wise, u need those extra cals to keep u going
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fructose will never reach the muscle ...its useless calories, only purpouse to put fat on the body... what did make adam and eve get kicked out of the garden of eden ?? twas the FORBIDDEN FRUIT.. :D hows that for johnny falcon type material ??? haha
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fructose will never reach the muscle ...its useless calories, only purpouse to put fat on the body... what did make adam and eve get kicked out of the garden of eden ?? twas the FORBIDDEN FRUIT.. :D hows that for johnny falcon type material ??? haha
Bro you are very knowledgeable, but you don't have the experience to know what it takes to hold on to muscle, not just muscle, but 20 inch arm muscle, 30 inch thigh muscle, 250 at 5'8 muscle. Most of your knowledge comes from what you read or what people tell you, I've been in your shoes and I've experience everything you have in bodybuilding, I have a lot of friends that are Ifbb pros that come to my house for a drink. I help my friends run their shows here in ontario.
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Fructose doesn't have to get into the muscle for you to benefit from it. My muscles must maintain full glycogen during the off-season so I can grow. By periodically feeding my body fructose I am burning calories from a different source, hence maintaining my glycogen in my muscles without letting it deplete throughout the day while I am burning 4000 calories on the roof. When I start my diet I eliminate my carbs on some days and on others I stagger them, and with my super fast matabolism and roofing my muscles are deflated every single day during pre-contest, but at this point it doesn't matter because my goal isn't to build any muscle, infact I would be content losing 5 or six pounds of muscle during the process. Not trying to stirr you up ,but you still have a lot to learn about certain things that seem to contradict certain theories, and in this case I'm right and you'r wrong
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i stated my thoughts on the issue, .. you stated yours.. agree to disagree broseph
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The only way to get bigger is to take a huge dose of roids and do it that way, sounds like you are genetically small. Push through it with drugs.
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