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Wow.
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Yawn, Jack Caffery is a fucking old idiotic dolt. Although his delusional ramblings are a real look into what CNN thinks as a whole. He is the microcosm.
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Didn't watch the vid, but Cafferty is great. I miss the day of him being Live At Five with Sue Simmons in New York. He's always been a cranky bastard with a temper.
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I think this is from atleast a year or two ago. I heard the bill did pass though, so I guess Bush is off the hook.
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So the "Being Black in America CNN" thread gets thrown into the General Board in 2.1 seconds but this old ignorant dolt gets to stay on the G&O? Blah!
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So the "Being Black in America CNN" thread gets thrown into the General Board in 2.1 seconds but this old ignorant dolt gets to stay on the G&O? Blah!
Racist.
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Racist.
Yeah, observations of very true events that happen everyday is racist. I hope you are saying that in jest.
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Yeah, observations of very true events that happen everyday is racist. I hope you are saying that in jest.
Race means nothing.
Post about this current administration, and how they are corrupt. That is why this thread was started. Stay on topic and keep race out of it.
Grow up. ::)
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Race means nothing.
Post about this current administration, and how they are corrupt. That is why this thread was started. Stay on topic and keep race out of it.
Grow up. ::)
I like George Bush
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I like George Bush
Why?
The guy has f**ked this country all up.
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Why?
The guy has f**ked this country all up.
Lotto winner="Times are great"
Job loser="Times are tough."
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Lotto winner="Times are great"
Job loser="Times are tough."
Job loser?
The real number for unemployment in this country is probably 12 to 18 percent.
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Job loser?
The real number for unemployment in this country is probably 12 to 18 percent.
Job loser...you know what I mean. I can speak more eloquently, but only have one, non-dominant arm now
Think of "Unemployable"
18%...where does that come from?
Not here in CT...its 5%, and people are fat as hell and eating plenty
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It will take a long time before a new president can restore some integrity and credibility to the oval office.
George W Bush has been a disgrace that America did not deserve.
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It will take a long time before a new president can restore some integrity and credibility to the oval office.
George W Bush has been a disgrace that America did not deserve.
Oh please.
Have integrity and credibility within yourself, and you will not have to worry over some stranger in an office somewhere who doesn't even know you
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Job loser...you know what I mean. I can speak more eloquently, but only have one, non-dominant arm now
Think of "Unemployable"
18%...where does that come from?
Not here in CT...its 5%, and people are fat as hell and eating plenty
5% over the last six months, yes I agree. However, not over the last 4 to 8 years. Thats the real number.
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5% over the last six months,yes I agree. However, not over the last 4 to 8 years. Thats the real number.
WRONG FUCKING BOARD.
Thanks
GigantorX
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5% over the last six months, yes I agree. However, not over the last 4 to 8 years. Thats the real number.
so you areaying it has improved
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WRONG FUCKING BOARD.
Thanks
GigantorX
How so? Bodybuilders have cut back also. Let's start a thread about how many amateur bodybuilders aren't competing this year because they can't afford it.
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You can't charge a prez with war crimes. It's an institution, not a man.
Bush's team wrote the PNAC document in 2000. They TOLD US their desire to invade the 3 states of arabia (afghan, iraq, iran) for oil and bases. We elected them twice anyway. They never hid their intentions. They used WMD lie, sure. But the goal was clear in 2000 and we voted him in.
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Gotta log off now, but I'll look for the replies to this tomorrow...
Has anyone considered what might happen if Obama does well during his first term (yes, he will be president)?
I don't think it's too far beyond the Pale to theorize that he might decide to effectively dismantle the Evangelical-enabled Republican Party (as it is now) by:
-sending Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice to the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hauge
-revoking the Patriot Act
-breaking up the military/industrial monopolies
-breaking up the HMO's
...all of these things would be well within his powers, and well within the law (a consideration obviated by the current administration).
Here in Europe (where culture comes from), we've had big-budget prime time television shows such as "Death of a President" wherein a fictional assassination of George Dubya and ensuing (hypothetical) political fallout was analyzed in a retroactive docu-drama manner (did everything but draw a diagram for any would-be Lee Harvey Oswalds).
Similarly, we've had TV miniseries following a fictionalized Tony Blair's mental breakdown in the weeks leading up to his war crimes tribunal.
Don't think that I'm being extremist here... for America to regain some semblance of respect in the political sphere someone like Obama (or his successor) might well decide to throw these incompetent Neo-Con simpletons to the wolves.
The Luke
PS-Moosejay, you're ignorance and simplistic child-like reasoning are absolutely horrifying.... to this stranger in an office somewhere who doesn't even know you.
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so you areaying it has improved
They only report quarterly unemployment percentages. Look at the big picture, think about the unemployed that have been looking for work over the last couple of years.
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240,
Was there ever a time where the people could trust their leaders?
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Lotto winner="Times are great"
Job loser="Times are tough."
I'm doing the best I've ever done.
It has NOTHING to do with Mr. Bush either.
And I still think he's been the worst president one could ever have.
One fact to look at that and realize that it's true; by the end of his first four years, he'd already spent more money than every president in the history of the US combined.
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240,
Was there ever a time where the people could trust their leaders?
Sure. When the USA was born!
It took 20 years for us to start globalization. I think it was 1805 that we started chewing up african resources in Tripoli and started what we're continuing today, colonialization/occupation for mgmt of resources. We don't have to OWN iraqi oil, we just have to control the currency its sold in, and the supply and avenues it takes. selling it to exxon at dollar means we win... selling to china in euro means we're fuccked.
And yes, our leaders do have our MACRO best interest in mind, along with their own personal pilferage for them and their friends. They know that owning iraq and afghan oil paths are VERY GOOD for the 300 million of us in the long term. While Cheney doesn't care what we think, the USA will be stronger in 30 years because of these wars.
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They only report quarterly unemployment percentages. Look at the big picture, think about the unemployed that have been looking for work over the last couple of years.
I just don't see it...oih well
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I'm doing the best I've ever done.
It has NOTHING to do with Mr. Bush either.
And I still think he's been the worst president one could ever have.
One fact to look at that and realize that it's true; by the end of his first four years, he'd already spent more money than every president in the history of the US combined.
As many know, I have been of ill health for 8 months.
Lost untold business.
Laid off some staff.
And I am still very happy.
I have never, ever BLAMED anyone.
I am still doing well, because I had foresight to prepare myself for personal downturns.
What, I am gonna blame george bush?
Fucking ludicous.
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Sure. When the USA was born!
It took 20 years for us to start globalization. I think it was 1805 that we started chewing up african resources in Tripoli and started what we're continuing today, colonialization/occupation for mgmt of resources. We don't have to OWN iraqi oil, we just have to control the currency its sold in, and the supply and avenues it takes. selling it to exxon at dollar means we win... selling to china in euro means we're fuccked.
And yes, our leaders do have our MACRO best interest in mind, along with their own personal pilferage for them and their friends. They know that owning iraq and afghan oil paths are VERY GOOD for the 300 million of us in the long term. While Cheney doesn't care what we think, the USA will be stronger in 30 years because of these wars.
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Do you think it worth USA's reputation around the world? I just hope they accept there will likely be more attacks on the western world, so long as they only keep their best interests in mind and fuck everybody else's. I realize that our side of the world is the main fuel that produces more terrorists, and it bothers me.
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Gotta log off now, but I'll look for the replies to this tomorrow...
Has anyone considered what might happen if Obama does well during his first term (yes, he will be president)?
I don't think it's too far beyond the Pale to theorize that he might decide to effectively dismantle the Evangelical-enabled Republican Party (as it is now) by:
-sending Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice to the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hauge
-revoking the Patriot Act
-breaking up the military/industrial monopolies
-breaking up the HMO's
...all of these things would be well within his powers, and well within the law (a consideration obviated by the current administration).
Here in Europe (where culture comes from), we've had big-budget prime time television shows such as "Death of a President" wherein a fictional assassination of George Dubya and ensuing (hypothetical) political fallout was analyzed in a retroactive docu-drama manner (did everything but draw a diagram for any would-be Lee Harvey Oswalds).
Similarly, we've had TV miniseries following a fictionalized Tony Blair's mental breakdown in the weeks leading up to his war crimes tribunal.
Don't think that I'm being extremist here... for America to regain some semblance of respect in the political sphere someone like Obama (or his successor) might well decide to throw these incompetent Neo-Con simpletons to the wolves.
The Luke
PS-Moosejay, you're ignorance and simplistic child-like reasoning are absolutely horrifying.... to this stranger in an office somewhere who doesn't even know you.
Lawl at evangelical enabled Republican party. Way to win at laughable vauge generalizations.
What exact war crimes?
Last I checked the Patriot act enabled lawn enforement to cut through huge roadblocks in fighting our enemies.
Funny thing about the military industrial monopoly comment is name how many companies can actually do the scope of work that is needed by the US military? How many could even do a fraction of the scale of what is needed?
How is healthcare in Europe? do you have to be wealthy to recieve decent care? (honestly I dont know)
Don't really understand the culture comment, but if you are referring to 100 years ago sure. Thats great you guys make a movie pretending to kill the elected leader of the United states. The guy who has protected our country for the last 8 years and has a family just like the rest of us.
George Bush has many faults and I certainly wish we had never invaded Iraq, but people seem to forget that the UN Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1441 which basically gave him one last chance to give it up or face the consequences. Also they seem to forget the numerous other resolutions that were ignored previously.
Obviously the guy was putting up a front to Iran because he feared showing just how weak he was, but we had no way of knowing this at the time. To make matters worse Rumsfeld really hosed the begining of the war.
Also from an american standpoint so many people bag on bush, but when was the last time we were attacked? and how much worst could the economy have been had we not had the tax cuts or if our security had been more in doubt?
People say Bush is the worst president ever and I know non americans dont like him because he doesnt give a sh*t about what they think as long as he protects our nation, but do a google search on Jimmy Carter then come back and tell me Bush was the worst president ever.
I do think Obama will win and I fear what he and this congress (who has a 9% approval rating atm btw) could do. I hope he isnt another carter and when in office can see the reality of what he will face.
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Lawl at evangelical enabled Republican party. Way to win at laughable vauge generalizations.
What exact war crimes?
Last I checked the Patriot act enabled lawn enforement to cut through huge roadblocks in fighting our enemies.
Funny thing about the military industrial monopoly comment is name how many companies can actually do the scope of work that is needed by the US military? How many could even do a fraction of the scale of what is needed?
How is healthcare in Europe? do you have to be wealthy to recieve decent care? (honestly I dont know)
Don't really understand the culture comment, but if you are referring to 100 years ago sure. Thats great you guys make a movie pretending to kill the elected leader of the United states. The guy who has protected our country for the last 8 years and has a family just like the rest of us.
George Bush has many faults and I certainly wish we had never invaded Iraq, but people seem to forget that the UN Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1441 which basically gave him one last chance to give it up or face the consequences. Also they seem to forget the numerous other resolutions that were ignored previously.
Obviously the guy was putting up a front to Iran because he feared showing just how weak he was, but we had no way of knowing this at the time. To make matters worse Rumsfeld really hosed the begining of the war.
Also from an american standpoint so many people bag on bush, but when was the last time we were attacked? and how much worst could the economy have been had we not had the tax cuts or if our security had been more in doubt?
People say Bush is the worst president ever and I know non americans dont like him because he doesnt give a sh*t about what they think as long as he protects our nation, but do a google search on Jimmy Carter then come back and tell me Bush was the worst president ever. I do think Obama will win and I fear what he and this congress (who has a 9% approval rating atm btw) could do. I hope he isnt another carter and when in office can see the reality of what he will face.
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Do you think it worth USA's reputation around the world? I just hope they accept there will likely be more attacks on the western world, so long as they only keep their best interests in mind and fuck everybody else's. I realize that our side of the world is the main fuel that produces more terrorists, and it bothers me.
It's their religion that is at the very core of producing terrorism. Stop the "it's all our fault!" PC bullshit.
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Sure. When the USA was born!
It took 20 years for us to start globalization. I think it was 1805 that we started chewing up african resources in Tripoli and started what we're continuing today, colonialization/occupation for mgmt of resources. We don't have to OWN iraqi oil, we just have to control the currency its sold in, and the supply and avenues it takes. selling it to exxon at dollar means we win... selling to china in euro means we're fuccked.
And yes, our leaders do have our MACRO best interest in mind, along with their own personal pilferage for them and their friends. They know that owning iraq and afghan oil paths are VERY GOOD for the 300 million of us in the long term. While Cheney doesn't care what we think, the USA will be stronger in 30 years because of these wars.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't american oil companys losing out to foreign ones simply because it will look bad? How much money has the US spent on the rebuilding of Iraq?
Also, I doubt with the Democratic Congress, and a Democratic president we will remain in Iraq much longer regardless of the situation there.
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It's their religion that is at the very core of producing terrorism. Stop the "it's all our fault!" PC bullshit.
I have a feeling that if we stopped trying to control their countries natural resources we would not get such as bad rap. Of course as 240 said, our side of the world would not be as dominant as it is if we didn't. We have been apart of plots that have over thrown democratically elected presidents in parts of the middle east because they felt that they had the right to control the fate of their countries natural resources. Don't blame me if I am a bit skeptical when I hear bush or Harper saying that they hate us due to our freedoms ::).
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It's their religion that is at the very core of producing terrorism. Stop the "it's all our fault!" PC bullshit.
You are to be applauded, GX.
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I have a feeling that if we stopped trying to control their countries natural resources we would not get such as bad rap. Of course as 240 said, our side of the world would not be as dominant as it is if we didn't. We have been apart of plots that have over thrown democratically elected presidents in parts of the middle east because they felt that they had the right to control the fate of their countries natural resources. Don't blame me if I am a bit skeptical when I hear bush or Harper saying that they hate us due to our freedoms ::).
Forgive me, THAT I don't buy
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The foreign firms are all vying for the small sub-contracts. It will all be overseen by the 4 oil giants, 3 of which are based in the US of A.
And all of the oil will be sold in dollars. The 3rd largest proven oil reserve in the world will be permanently sold in dollars - which keeps the dollar relevant forever. Remember - the dollar has lost 41% of its value against the Euro in the last 7 years. Saddam dumped it in 2003 right before we attacked. Iran dropping it now. OPEC considering it. If they do, you have no idea how bad shit gets here overnight. That's why it's IMPERATIVE that the iraqi oil stays in dollars.
Yes, Bush lied about WMD. yes, 911 was allowed to happen. Yes, all sorts of shady shit, torture, and war crimes have certainly went down. And yes, billions were stolen and given to Bush's and cheney's buddies. But overall, in a few decades, when the dollar is still in play, we'll thank them for what they did, invading iraq and afghanistan. When china/russia alliance becomes a BEAST in 10 years and saudis kick us out, we'll be VERY glad we have those bases in afghanistan and iraq.
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Correct me if I am wrong but aren't american oil companys losing out to foreign ones simply because it will look bad? How much money has the US spent on the rebuilding of Iraq?
longterm cost of the war (healthcare included) is $3 tril. I think we're at 700 bil or so, spending so far.
Iraq is sitting on $50 to $75 trillion worth of saleable oil.
To have US firms control its output, with US bases there to control security, and US military there to do whatever it takes to ensure we stay in charge... borrowing a trillion bucks and losing 4200 lives may be worth it, in the eyes of some.
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The foreign firms are all vying for the small sub-contracts. It will all be overseen by the 4 oil giants, 3 of which are based in the US of A.
And all of the oil will be sold in dollars. The 3rd largest proven oil reserve in the world will be permanently sold in dollars - which keeps the dollar relevant forever. Remember - the dollar has lost 41% of its value against the Euro in the last 7 years. Saddam dumped it in 2003 right before we attacked. Iran dropping it now. OPEC considering it. If they do, you have no idea how bad shit gets here overnight. That's why it's IMPERATIVE that the iraqi oil stays in dollars.
Yes, Bush lied about WMD. yes, 911 was allowed to happen. Yes, all sorts of shady shit, torture, and war crimes have certainly went down. And yes, billions were stolen and given to Bush's and cheney's buddies. But overall, in a few decades, when the dollar is still in play, we'll thank them for what they did, invading iraq and afghanistan. When china/russia alliance becomes a BEAST in 10 years and saudis kick us out, we'll be VERY glad we have those bases in afghanistan and iraq.
I don't agree with everything you say 240 but that was a very good piece of analysis. But, we do need to give credit to Nixon and Kissenger for arranging oil to be sold in dollars in the late 60's early 70's. It saved the dollar from imminent collapse as well.
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Forgive me, THAT I don't buy
In 1953, the CIA gave money with the intent of it to be used to over throw Mohammed Mosaddeq.
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In 1953, the CIA gave money with the intent of it to be used to over throw Mohammed Mosaddeq.
Just stop. None of these "leaders" are elected through the will of the people. Yes most ME states have bicameral legislatures and they do get "elected" through "voting" but these are mere rubber stamp committees.
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I don't agree with everything you say 240 but that was a very good piece of analysis. But, we do need to give credit to Nixon and Kissenger for arranging oil to be sold in dollars in the late 60's early 70's. It saved the dollar from imminent collapse as well.
Yep. Without those bad guys doing their dirt 40 years ago, we'd be poor today.
Without Bush/Cheney doing their dirt today, our grandkids would be poor.
We use 'moral' goggles to see the world.
They use 'utilitarian' goggles to see the world.
Greatest amount of good for future generations of 300 million Americans.
Bush will be remembered fondly by history, as another FDR, who eradicated terror after a terrible attack and kept the world safe. Today, we all know that al-Q was a USA invention, 911 allowed to happen, and wars are for oil and bases. But in 60 years the history books will be sanitized, and we'll all be crapping in diapers and no one will care about what we think anyway :)
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Yep. Without those bad guys doing their dirt 40 years ago, we'd be poor today.
Without Bush/Cheney doing their dirt today, our grandkids would be poor.
We use 'moral' goggles to see the world.
They use 'utilitarian' goggles to see the world.
Greatest amount of good for future generations of 300 million Americans.
Bush will be remembered fondly by history, as another FDR, who eradicated terror after a terrible attack and kept the world safe. Today, we all know that al-Q was a USA invention, 911 allowed to happen, and wars are for oil and bases. But in 60 years the history books will be sanitized, and we'll all be crapping in diapers and no one will care about what we think anyway :)
Yes, I prefer "realist" goggles.
And I won't wear diapers, I will prefer to go out by simply shitting all over and throwing it at the nurses and doctors at the old folks home while they try to strap me down for electro-shock therapy.
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Just stop. None of these "leaders" are elected through the will of the people. Yes most ME states have bicameral legislatures and they do get "elected" through "voting" but these are mere rubber stamp committees.
I don't know enough about Middle East politics to argue that. But the point still stands, I would be very upset if foreign officials tried to control the fate of my country.
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What does this thread have to do with:
1) Men in thongs
2) Golf
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I don't know enough about Middle East politics to argue that. But the point still stands, I would be very upset if foreign officials tried to control the fate of my country.
I appreciate your honesty, that is truly something that most political arguments on GetBig lack.
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I have a feeling that if we stopped trying to control their countries natural resources we would not get such as bad rap. Of course as 240 said, our side of the world would not be as dominant as it is if we didn't. We have been apart of plots that have over thrown democratically elected presidents in parts of the middle east because they felt that they had the right to control the fate of their countries natural resources. Don't blame me if I am a bit skeptical when I hear bush or Harper saying that they hate us due to our freedoms ::).
Clinton basically rolled over for the Terrorists and they continued to attack us around the world. A lot of those whimpy nations in Europe (Spain) rolls over for them and they still get attacked. So it must be something else.
Maybe it's because we don't kill our wives and daughters for "disgracing" our family.
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Clinton basically rolled over for the Terrorists and they continued to attack us around the world. A lot of those whimpy nations in Europe (Spain) rolls over for them and they still get attacked. So it must be something else.
Maybe it's because we don't kill our wives and daughters for "disgracing" our family.
Pakistan keeps signing "cease fire" agreements with Taliban militants in Wurzistan and other border regions...if anyone has had a look at the news lately, they will see how that is going for them.
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As many know, I have been of ill health for 8 months.
Lost untold business.
Laid off some staff.
And I am still very happy.
I have never, ever BLAMED anyone.
I am still doing well, because I had foresight to prepare myself for personal downturns.
What, I am gonna blame george bush?
Fucking ludicous.
Can't see the forest for the trees, eh? :-\
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Pakistan keeps signing "cease fire" agreements with Taliban militants in Wurzistan and other border regions...if anyone has had a look at the news lately, they will see how that is going for them.
Maybe the Taliban just meant for the Paki's to cease fire.
That would make it easier for them.
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I appreciate your honesty, that is truly something that most political arguments on GetBig lack.
I am just some 20 year old guy here to learn. Who would have know so many knowledgeable people would be on a bbing board? Geopolitics can be very complex. :)
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Last I checked the Patriot act enabled lawn enforement to cut through huge roadblocks in fighting our enemies.
The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.
That doesn't bother you? ???
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Funny thing about the military industrial monopoly comment is name how many companies can actually do the scope of work that is needed by the US military? How many could even do a fraction of the scale of what is needed?
Are you joking?
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The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.
That doesn't bother you? ???
Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.
Different times
Different maniacs
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The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.
That doesn't bother you? ???
The laws that make up the Patriot Act were all on the books already, for the most part. and PATRIOT Act is a real long acronym as well.
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Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.
Different times
Different maniacs
Are you saying Americans deserve less freedom today than we have previously enjoyed?
Also, even if you do believe our Constitution should be modified, they didn't modify it, they just circumvented it.
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Job loser?
The real number for unemployment in this country is probably 12 to 18 percent.
Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...
Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay?????
The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.
END OF STORY..
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Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...
Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay?????
The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.
END OF STORY..
That is quite a story you got there.
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Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...
Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay?????
The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.
END OF STORY..
I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.
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I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.
Touche!
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Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.
Different times
Different maniacs
It's one thing to be jingoist and defend foreign US action.
To defend the rape of the Constitution is another thing, Mike.
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Forgive me, THAT I don't buy
please...please read a history book
The British in partnership with the US took out the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Iranian Prime Minster Mohammad Mosaddeq from power in 1953 in a coup.
The famous British Petroleum of today used to be 'the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company'. Prime Minster Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize the AIOC and the British and Americans wanted no part of it so they associated Mosaddeq with communists in excuse to get rid of him. The 1953 coup was led by none other than Roosevelt Jr. and was the beginning of the shithole in Iran you see today.
I hate to source wikipedia...but this is pretty accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Please don't speak of matters you don't know shit about. I've written a couple of University research papers on this topic and the wide consensus is that Mosaddeq was kicked out for the sole reason of him wanted to nationalize the AIOC.
If we did not meddle in Iranian affairs in the past...we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now.
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I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.
Ignorance to REALITY is how the first economic collapse happened in 1929. DENIAL brought about complacency and GREED ruled the time until so much instability and debt was created that the economy could no longer sustain it...VOILA...COLLAPSE
That is quite a story you got there.
Ask the Germans, the Polish, the Hungarians, and check your american history on what led up to those countries economic collapse. Research the mindset of the people at the time in each country prior to financial collapse, note the levels of GREED and who was/were the GREEDY, note also the war making of the countries and how wars brought the countries to economic RUIN.
ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE ARE REFLECTED IN AMERICA TODAY....
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Are you saying Americans deserve less freedom today than we have previously enjoyed?
Also, even if you do believe our Constitution should be modified, they didn't modify it, they just circumvented it.
Yes...too many rights...people hide behind them
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Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...
Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay?????
The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.
END OF STORY..
End of YOUR story
Things must be bad for you, personally
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please...please read a history book
The British in partnership with the US took out the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Iranian Prime Minster Mohammad Mosaddeq from power in 1953 in a coup.
The famous British Petroleum of today used to be 'the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company'. Prime Minster Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize the AIOC and the British and Americans wanted no part of it so they associated Mosaddeq with communists in excuse to get rid of him. The 1953 coup was led by none other than Roosevelt Jr. and was the beginning of the shithole in Iran you see today.
I hate to source wikipedia...but this is pretty accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Please don't speak of matters you don't know shit about. I've written a couple of University research papers on this topic and the wide consensus is that Mosaddeq was kicked out for the sole reason of him wanted to nationalize the AIOC.
If we did not meddle in Iranian affairs in the past...we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now.
Big deal...wait till you get out of your University to learn how things really work
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Moosejay,
How are low-IQ people such as yourself so happy being so detached from reality...?
I mean, if I held an opinion about a subject that was contrary to the consensus opinion of all the extremely high-IQ experts in a certain field of study... I might reconsider....
But you right-wing, evangelical, Dubya-votin', Jeebus-lovin' rednecks just stick fast to your beliefs... no matter how inane, inconsistent or illogical.
Theoretical physics... eh, I dunno... dem der scientist types know about that stuff.
Medicine... eh, I dunno... dem der doctor types know about that stuff.
Economics... eh, wait! I knows me this... President Dubya says it's all good 'cos Jeebus told him so.
Geopolitics... eh, I know... lets bomb dem A-rabs back to dat der stone age... which didn't happen anyway cause the Bible got writ in it a story 'bout a garden and I is a literalist Christian who don't understand me no metaphors on accounts of me havin' no capacity for abstract thought, an I don'ts read no other books.
This head-in-the-sand party-line detachment from the reality of the current political situation is not only dangerous... it's offensive...
This was an enjoyable an interesting thread till you decided to smear your greasy ignorance over the discourse.
The Luke
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Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...
Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay?????
The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.
END OF STORY..
It could happen.
Russia collapsed in the early 90's.
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Moosejay,
How are low-IQ people such as yourself so happy being so detached from reality...?
I mean, if I held an opinion about a subject that was contrary to the consensus opinion of all the extremely high-IQ experts in a certain field of study... I might reconsider....
But you right-wing, evangelical, Dubya-votin', Jeebus-lovin' rednecks just stick fast to your beliefs... no matter how inane, inconsistent or illogical.
Theoretical physics... eh, I dunno... dem der scientist types know about that stuff.
Medicine... eh, I dunno... dem der doctor types know about that stuff.
Economics... eh, wait! I knows me this... President Dubya says it's all good 'cos Jeebus told him so.
Geopolitics... eh, I know... lets bomb dem A-rabs back to dat der stone age... which didn't happen anyway cause the Bible got writ in it a story 'bout a garden and I is a literalist Christian who don't understand me no metaphors on accounts of me havin' no capacity for abstract thought, an I don'ts read no other books.
This head-in-the-sand party-line detachment from the reality of the current political situation is not only dangerous... it's offensive...
This was an enjoyable an interesting thread till you decided to smear your greasy ignorance over the discourse.
The Luke
People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.
HTH, but I doubt it.
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It could happen.
Russia collapsed in the early 90's.
And we could get hit by an asteroid.
Anything can happen, at anytime.
If you WISH hard enough, yeah, bad things can befall you.
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And we could get hit by an asteroid.
Anything can happen, at anytime.
If you WISH hard enough, yeah, bad things can befall you.
Do you keep up with what's going on in the world? :-\
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People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.
HTH, but I doubt it.
...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.
You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.
Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....
That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.
Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.
Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.
The Luke
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Do you keep up with what's going on in the world? :-\
Sure.
And I bet my balls you can't say ONE positive thing about the USA.
I will put my head between my legs and kiss my own ass if you do.
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...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.
You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.
Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....
That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.
Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.
Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.
The Luke
We will remember that when you come crawling to us for 'aid'
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Big deal...wait till you get out of your University to learn how things really work
And this act of overthrowing Him caused the power to be placed in the hands of the Shah. "Death to America" became more common on signs in the streets. You do the rest.
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We will remember that when you come crawling to us for 'aid'
I'm from Ireland...
Americans (on average) are far more indebted than we are. We have one of the strongest economies in the world; free healthcare (9th in the world: USA is 37th); lower unemployment; a more inclusive middle class and we use the Euro (beating the dollar ever since its inception)... and we're scared shitless of the economic downturn.
It's much more likely that a post-dollar-collapse America will be coming to us (European Union) for aid... actually, come to think of it, thanks to the sound economic policies implemented by President Dubya the EU; China and the Saudis currently OWN America, don't they?
By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans
...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!
The Luke
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russia and mexico declared bankruptcy in 95 and 98 I believe.
It *can* happen. I don't think it'll happen here.
You have a guy sleeping on your couch. He has no money for rent and he's eating all your food. You want to ask him to leave, but he carried a machine gun around with him. That's the USA... the guy on the couch, with big loaded bases in 800 places around the world. You can never totally ask us to leave, cause we might do something crazy on the way out. You just keep feeding us and putting up with us.
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That's a bit simplistic 240...
It's well reasoned, but I'm not sure it's an apt analogy.
Study up on what how the Roman Empire disintegrated... they had sizable armies in every province who all opted to make a go of it for themselves in situ rather than return to the decayed bosom of Rome.
The Luke
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whats your take on Jordan Maxwells visions the luke?
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Enlighten me Mars... never heard of the guy.
The Luke
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Bush and 99 % of the whole gov aparatus are either 50/50 human alien hybrids or mind kontrolled slaves.
THIS my friends,is the TRUTH.
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Lotto winner="Times are great"
Job loser="Times are tough."
I've yet to see you defend him in a rational way
Always say some bullshit unrelated to the topic at hand.
People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.
HTH, but I doubt it.
Excuse me, but one of the principles of this country = to question government.. It's what made american into america. ::) The solution = to get that idiot out of office. 3/4 of this country doesn't want him in there, and last time I check we were a democracy.
People like you wont be able to build this country with a weak dollar, huge debt that wont be erased.
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...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.
You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.
Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....
That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.
Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.
Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.
The Luke
Why do you bash christians so much? Not every christian is as ignorant as you would have us all believe.
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I'm from Ireland...
Americans (on average) are far more indebted than we are. We have one of the strongest economies in the world; free healthcare (9th in the world: USA is 37th); lower unemployment; a more inclusive middle class and we use the Euro (beating the dollar ever since its inception)... and we're scared shitless of the economic downturn.
It's much more likely that a post-dollar-collapse America will be coming to us (European Union) for aid... actually, come to think of it, thanks to the sound economic policies implemented by President Dubya the EU; China and the Saudis currently OWN America, don't they?
By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans
...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!
The Luke
Sorry I am just catching up but I had to comment on the Genocide comment.
Can you name me another civilization in history where the majority fought and not only freed but elavated that minority to equal status? A huge percentage of americans died to preserve the union in which all men were created equal (except indians) but hey we have our casinos and fishing rights now and the white man gave us the internet so its all good...
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Why do you bash christians so much? Not every christian is as ignorant as you would have us all believe.
...I apologise.
You are right. But I would put it to you that your choice of words is very telling... I agree that "Not every christian is as ignorant as [Moosejay, Coach etc]" ...but by definition, all Christians are somewhat ignorant.
After all, it is an unenlightened version of a revelatory mystery religion.
Just as you simply can't be an illiterate copy-editor... you simply can't be a rational religious believer.
The Luke
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By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans
...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!
The Luke
Not true. Slavery did not make America a superpower. Same with the American Indian war. ::)
World War 2 and manufacturing made this country.
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...I apologise.
You are right. But I would put it to you that your choice of words is very telling... I agree that "Not every christian is as ignorant as [Moosejay, Coach etc]" ...but by definition, all Christians are somewhat ignorant.
After all, it is an unenlightened version of a revelatory mystery religion.
Just as you simply can't be an illiterate copy-editor... you simply can't be a rational religious believer.
The Luke
Which type of society would you prefer to have the power that the US curently weilds (ie nuclear capability)
A communist/Socialt society that answeres to no higher power and only to the state
A muslim society which has very very strong views about anyone that does not follow their practices
A athiestic society of hedonists which only answerto themselves ( what are on the fat track)
or a (somewhat these days) christian society that belives in a higher power?
Which of the 10 commandments do you disagree with? (other than the first 4 which assumes you belive in a creator)
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Not true. Slavery did not make America a superpower. Same with the American Indian war. ::)
World War 2 and manufacturing made this country.
...good point, but chronologically incorrect.
Slavery paid for the War of Independence... no War of Independence and America would now be a mish-mash of European colonies.
The Luke
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Not sure where any impression that Ireland is "backwards" and would be getting money from the US came from. A quick comparison of most statistics on the 2 nations, as well as a look at comparative economic foreign debt issues would completely disabuse one of that notion. Most 1st world nations offer comparable levels of lifestyle, with varying differences in all aspects in each..with the 2nd and 3rd world being "backwards".
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we were a democracy.
An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
A Democracy
The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.
This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy. In the direct type, applicable only to a small number of people as in the little city-states of ancient Greece, or in a New England town-meeting, all of the electorate assemble to debate and decide all government questions, and all decisions are reached by a majority vote (of at least half-plus-one). Decisions of The Majority in a New England town-meeting are, of course, subject to the Constitutions of the State and of the United States which protect The Individual’s rights; so, in this case, The Majority is not omnipotent and such a town-meeting is, therefore, not an example of a true Direct Democracy. Under a Representative Democracy like Britain’s parliamentary form of government, the people elect representatives to the national legislature--the elective body there being the House of Commons--and it functions by a similar vote of at least half-plus-one in making all legislative decisions.
In both the Direct type and the Representative type of Democracy, The Majority’s power is absolute and unlimited; its decisions are unappealable under the legal system established to give effect to this form of government. This opens the door to unlimited Tyranny-by-Majority. This was what The Framers of the United States Constitution meant in 1787, in debates in the Federal (framing) Convention, when they condemned the "excesses of democracy" and abuses under any Democracy of the unalienable rights of The Individual by The Majority. ...
A Republic
A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate. ...
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html (http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html)
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the next war is inside the West; it will take place between whites and all the other communities they welcomed over the past decades. And we're not going to win this one. Europe has lost this war already , and North America , wether it's the US or Canada , is next.
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Cafferty. Who the hell cares what he says. Nothing intelligent has come out of his mouth in many years.