President BUSH PARDON's HIMSELF against POTENTIAL WARCRIMES

[Eyeball Chambers]

Last I checked the Patriot act enabled lawn enforement to cut through huge roadblocks in fighting our enemies.

The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.

That doesn't bother you? 

[Eyeball Chambers]

Funny thing about the military industrial monopoly comment is name how many companies can actually do the scope of work that is needed by the US military? How many could even do a fraction of the scale of what is needed?

Are you joking?

[Moosejay]

The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.

That doesn't bother you? 

Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.

Different times

Different maniacs

[BigFNDuce]

The Patriot Act directly contradicts are Constitution.

That doesn't bother you? 

The laws that make up the Patriot Act were all on the books already, for the most part. and PATRIOT Act is a real long acronym as well.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.

Different times

Different maniacs

Are you saying Americans deserve less freedom today than we have previously enjoyed?
 
Also, even if you do believe our Constitution should be modified, they didn't modify it, they just circumvented it. 

[SAMSON123]

Job loser?

The real number for unemployment in this country is probably 12 to 18 percent.

Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...

Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay??

The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.

END OF STORY..

[CARTEL]

Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...

Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay??

The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.

END OF STORY..

That is quite a story you got there.

[BigFNDuce]

Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...

Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay??

The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.

END OF STORY..

I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.

[CARTEL]

I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.

Touche!

[240 is Back]

Some aspects of the consitution need to be changed.

Different times

Different maniacs

It's one thing to be jingoist and defend foreign US action.

To defend the rape of the Constitution is another thing, Mike.

[affy]

Forgive me, THAT I don't buy

please...please read a history book

The British in partnership with the US took out the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Iranian Prime Minster Mohammad Mosaddeq from power in 1953 in a coup. 

The famous British Petroleum of today used to be 'the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company'.  Prime Minster Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize the AIOC and the British and Americans wanted no part of it so they associated Mosaddeq with communists in excuse to get rid of him.  The 1953 coup was led by none other than Roosevelt Jr. and was the beginning of the shithole in Iran you see today.

I hate to source wikipedia...but this is pretty accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Please don't speak of matters you don't know shit about.  I've written a couple of University research papers on this topic and the wide consensus is that Mosaddeq was kicked out for the sole reason of him wanted to nationalize the AIOC. 

If we did not meddle in Iranian affairs in the past...we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. 

[SAMSON123]

I think you're confusing what will happen with what you wish would happen.

Ignorance to REALITY is how the first economic collapse happened in 1929. DENIAL brought about complacency and GREED ruled the time until so much instability and debt was created that the economy could no longer sustain it...VOILA...COLLAPSE

That is quite a story you got there.

Ask the Germans, the Polish, the Hungarians, and check your american history on what led up to those countries economic collapse. Research the mindset of the people at the time in each country prior to financial collapse, note the levels of GREED and who was/were the GREEDY, note also the war making of the countries and how wars brought the countries to economic RUIN.

ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE ARE REFLECTED IN AMERICA TODAY....

[Moosejay]

Are you saying Americans deserve less freedom today than we have previously enjoyed?
 
Also, even if you do believe our Constitution should be modified, they didn't modify it, they just circumvented it. 

Yes...too many rights...people hide behind them

[Moosejay]

Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...

Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay??

The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.

END OF STORY..

End of YOUR story

Things must be bad for you, personally

[Moosejay]

please...please read a history book

The British in partnership with the US took out the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Iranian Prime Minster Mohammad Mosaddeq from power in 1953 in a coup. 

The famous British Petroleum of today used to be 'the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company'.  Prime Minster Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize the AIOC and the British and Americans wanted no part of it so they associated Mosaddeq with communists in excuse to get rid of him.  The 1953 coup was led by none other than Roosevelt Jr. and was the beginning of the shithole in Iran you see today.

I hate to source wikipedia...but this is pretty accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Please don't speak of matters you don't know shit about.  I've written a couple of University research papers on this topic and the wide consensus is that Mosaddeq was kicked out for the sole reason of him wanted to nationalize the AIOC. 

If we did not meddle in Iranian affairs in the past...we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. 

Big deal...wait till you get out of your University to learn how things really work

[The Luke]

Moosejay,

How are low-IQ people such as yourself so happy being so detached from reality...?

I mean, if I held an opinion about a subject that was contrary to the consensus opinion of all the extremely high-IQ experts in a certain field of study... I might reconsider....

But you right-wing, evangelical, Dubya-votin', Jeebus-lovin' rednecks just stick fast to your beliefs... no matter how inane, inconsistent or illogical.


Theoretical physics... eh, I dunno... dem der scientist types know about that stuff.

Medicine... eh, I dunno... dem der doctor types know about that stuff.

Economics... eh, wait! I knows me this... President Dubya says it's all good 'cos Jeebus told him so.

Geopolitics... eh, I know... lets bomb dem A-rabs back to dat der stone age... which didn't happen anyway cause the Bible got writ in it a story 'bout a garden and I is a literalist Christian who don't understand me no metaphors on accounts of me havin' no capacity for abstract thought, an I don'ts read no other books.




This head-in-the-sand party-line detachment from the reality of the current political situation is not only dangerous... it's offensive...

This was an enjoyable an interesting thread till you decided to smear your greasy ignorance over the discourse.


The Luke

[Mark Kerr]

Higher than that....try 25 to 30%...

Seems no one listens to the reports showing 300 to 400 THOUSAND people applying for unemployment every week which has been going on for a couple of years now. How many times can that happen before TENS OF MILLIONS are out of work??? Add to that the massive manufacturing layoffs and factory closings and you have all the ingredients for an economic collapse and full blown long lasting DEPRESSION in america. Lets go a step further with the TRILLIONS of dollars america has borrowed from so many nations it is not funny. How about the 80 TRILLION of DEBT america is in. How about the 600 TRILLION in DERIVATIVE DEBT america has to pay??

The rest of the world will go on as countries will switch to the Euro, or the Yuan or similar currency that is stable, once the dollar collapses... america will then sink into total chaos and civil unrest.

END OF STORY..

It could happen.

Russia collapsed in the early 90's.

[Moosejay]

Moosejay,

How are low-IQ people such as yourself so happy being so detached from reality...?

I mean, if I held an opinion about a subject that was contrary to the consensus opinion of all the extremely high-IQ experts in a certain field of study... I might reconsider....

But you right-wing, evangelical, Dubya-votin', Jeebus-lovin' rednecks just stick fast to your beliefs... no matter how inane, inconsistent or illogical.


Theoretical physics... eh, I dunno... dem der scientist types know about that stuff.

Medicine... eh, I dunno... dem der doctor types know about that stuff.

Economics... eh, wait! I knows me this... President Dubya says it's all good 'cos Jeebus told him so.

Geopolitics... eh, I know... lets bomb dem A-rabs back to dat der stone age... which didn't happen anyway cause the Bible got writ in it a story 'bout a garden and I is a literalist Christian who don't understand me no metaphors on accounts of me havin' no capacity for abstract thought, an I don'ts read no other books.




This head-in-the-sand party-line detachment from the reality of the current political situation is not only dangerous... it's offensive...

This was an enjoyable an interesting thread till you decided to smear your greasy ignorance over the discourse.


The Luke

People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.

HTH, but I doubt it.

[Moosejay]

It could happen.

Russia collapsed in the early 90's.

And we could get hit by an asteroid.

Anything can happen, at anytime.

If you WISH hard enough, yeah, bad things can befall you.

[Mark Kerr]

And we could get hit by an asteroid.

Anything can happen, at anytime.

If you WISH hard enough, yeah, bad things can befall you.

Do you keep up with what's going on in the world?

[The Luke]

People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.
HTH, but I doubt it.

...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.

You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.

Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....

That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.


Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.

Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.



The Luke

[Moosejay]

Do you keep up with what's going on in the world?

Sure.

And I bet my balls you can't say ONE positive thing about the USA.

I will put my head between my legs and kiss my own ass if you do.

[Moosejay]

...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.

You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.

Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....

That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.


Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.

Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.



The Luke

We will remember that when you come crawling to us for 'aid'

[warrior_code]

Big deal...wait till you get out of your University to learn how things really work

And this act of overthrowing Him caused the power to be placed in the hands of the Shah.  "Death to America" became more common on signs in the streets.  You do the rest.   

[The Luke]

We will remember that when you come crawling to us for 'aid'

I'm from Ireland...

Americans (on average) are far more indebted than we are. We have one of the strongest economies in the world; free healthcare (9th in the world: USA is 37th); lower unemployment; a more inclusive middle class and we use the Euro (beating the dollar ever since its inception)... and we're scared shitless of the economic downturn.


It's much more likely that a post-dollar-collapse America will be coming to us (European Union) for aid... actually, come to think of it, thanks to the sound economic policies implemented by President Dubya the EU; China and the Saudis currently OWN America, don't they?


By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans

...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!


The Luke