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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: JOHN MATRIX on July 09, 2008, 03:52:15 PM
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im sick of this administration and the media trying to demonize and make a boogeyman out of iran, jesus christ they arent doing anything anyone else in their position wouldnt do.
they are NO THREAT to the united states at all, they already know if they even lift a finger against us our our little bed buddies israel they will get annihilated, stop trying to pretend they are some DANGEROUS BAD MAN WHOSE GOING TO SEND THEIR SCARY MISSLES INTO AMERICAS LITTLE FAMILIES IF WE DONT GO BOMB THEM SOON
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Iran is dropping the dollar and is trying to get OPEC to do the same.
That happens, and we're all fuct.
For THAT reason, they deserve to be hit.
Saddam did the same thing in 2002/2003. We saw what happened to him ;)
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some day we'll learn to get along, Insh'allah
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Letting them acquire nukes is probably not a great idea. It's probably too late, so oh well.
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
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Letting them acquire nukes is probably not a great idea. It's probably too late, so oh well.
and just what exactly happens if they get these nukes you speak of? tell me what exactly.
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looks like the dollar is falling...the world is realising and USA is getting pissed....if it stays this way....big shit is going to happen. I don't think america is going to let their money fall so bad in front of the rest of the world
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Yup.
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and just what exactly happens if they get these nukes you speak of? tell me what exactly.
Then we get a facist regime that joins the "Mutually assured destruction" club which we can no longer do jack about regardless of what they do.
Also Isreal could have easily turned the whole of the Middle East into a parking lot long ago but have been repeatedly held back. They routinely get suicide bombs are are surrounded by enemies. They routinely get missles lobbed into their country.
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
haha, nobody wants to touch this, everyone is afraid to even consider the possibility that israel is anything but the most righteous and holy of places, filled with those we were taught to speak of with a hushed reverence.
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Then we get a facist regime that joins the "Mutually assured destruction" club which we can no longer do jack about regardless of what they do.
Also Isreal could have easily turned the whole of the Middle East into a parking lot long ago but have been repeatedly held back. They routinely get suicide bombs are are surrounded by enemies. They routinely get missles lobbed into their country.
come back when you have some perspective you havent got by watching fox news all your life.
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Best post ever.
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I'm waiting for Moosejay to get high on oxys and benzos and then post about how you hate America and aren't hard working because you actually have the balls to question the government. ;D
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I'm waiting for Moosejay to get high on oxys and benzos and then post about how you hate America and aren't hard working because you actually have the balls to question the government. ;D
It's coming.
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Iran would kick our candyasses faster than you can say "Axis of Evil."
PS bush is the 2nd greatest Nazi of all time.
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Iran would kick our candyasses faster than you can say "Axis of Evil."
Huh?
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dont worry i think islam sucks as well
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dont worry i think islam sucks as well
Well at least you're balanced.
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come back when you have some perspective you havent got by watching fox news all your life.
Sorry I dont watch much TV. What part of my post dont you agree with? That That they are a facist theologically driven extremest goverment, or that when they get weapons we wont be able to do anyting about it? You remember that little nuclear standoff between Pakistan and India a few years back? Thats what happens when the nuclear playing field becomes bigger.
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Sorry I dont watch much TV. What part of my post dont you agree with? That That they are a facist theologically driven extremest goverment, or that when they get weapons we wont be able to do anyting about it? You remember that little nuclear standoff between Pakistan and India a few years back? Thats what happens when the nuclear playing field becomes bigger.
Don't worry, when a democrat is in office, John will whole heartedly support Obama's "surgical strike" against their nukes.
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im sick of this administration and the media trying to demonize and make a boogeyman out of iran, jesus christ they arent doing anything anyone else in their position wouldnt do.
they are NO THREAT to the united states at all, they already know if they even lift a finger against us our our little bed buddies israel they will get annihilated, stop trying to pretend they are some DANGEROUS BAD MAN WHOSE GOING TO SEND THEIR SCARY MISSLES INTO AMERICAS LITTLE FAMILIES IF WE DONT GO BOMB THEM SOON
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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israel share the western way of life and breed lot of geniuses who participated in the making of a better world for everyone while muslims fuck camels, goats, sleep in caves and feces huts, constantly beat the shit out of ugly women considered as animals and for some reasons want to kill and replace everything and everyone that is not muslim.
Damn you're fucking dumb.
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Sorry I dont watch much TV. What part of my post dont you agree with? That That they are a facist theologically driven extremest goverment, or that when they get weapons we wont be able to do anyting about it? You remember that little nuclear standoff between Pakistan and India a few years back? Thats what happens when the nuclear playing field becomes bigger.
why do you think it is that they want nukes?
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Don't worry, when a democrat is in office, John will whole heartedly support Obama's "surgical strike" against their nukes.
this has absolutely nothing to do with democrats vs repubs. where did i mention that at all? i think any sort of strike against iran by us would be completely unwarrented and wrong and would only serve to make them feel they need such weapons to defend themselves even more.
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why do you think it is that they want nukes?
They are scared shittless after we rolled over an enemy that they fought to a standstill for so many years. They obviously feel that the only way to ensure their security is to obtain these weapons. We completely destabilized the region when we went after saddam. That is obvious.
The problem is where does nuclear proliferation end? Is Iran stable enough to even control such weapons? Perhaps the US and Russia should make sure every country has at least 1 Nuke, that way everyone feels safe. Maybe then we can get back some of that oil money from the middle east??? :P (oh wait that is what russia is already doing - why dont they want a missile shield again?)
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
post of the year! They started flexing their muscles so to speak a couple of weeks ago and now if Iran does the same thing everybody is chastising them.... ::) talking about hypocrisy
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why do you think it is that they want nukes?
LOL... cause we have bases and oil drilling on both sides of them (afghanistan on one side, iraq on the other).
Iran is the prize gem in the Bush oil pipeline.
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looks like the dollar is falling...the world is realising and USA is getting pissed....if it stays this way....big shit is going to happen. I don't think america is going to let their money fall so bad in front of the rest of the world
The dollar is falling in relation to what? Other fiat paper currencies? Gold? Oil? Land?
Can toilet paper fall in value?
For something to fall, that would imply that it had value to start with. The dollar from 1933 (when our nation officially went bankrupt) onward had no value, just that of the paper it was printed on. Actually, I would argue that it is a liability and has negative value (for governments and citizens/slaves that are forced to use it) because it is a debt certificate that requires the creation of more dollars (debt) to pay the interest created.
Nothing regarding the Fundamentals has changed here people. Just continuing the exponential increase in theft through Central Banking.
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Go live in Iran shithead
oh,
You must be already there!
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Iran is no Iraq. big difference between those to country's, its not that easy to go on war with them.
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The dollar is falling in relation to what? Other fiat paper currencies? Gold? Oil? Land?
Can toilet paper fall in value?
For something to fall, that would imply that it had value to start with. The dollar from 1933 (when our nation officially went bankrupt) onward had no value, just that of the paper it was printed on. Actually, I would argue that it is a liability and has negative value (for governments and citizens/slaves that are forced to use it) because it is a debt certificate that requires the creation of more dollars (debt) to pay the interest created.
Nothing regarding the Fundamentals has changed here people. Just continuing the exponential increase in theft through Central Banking.
What is the ethnicity of the bankers who control the fraudulent speciously named "Federal" Reserve system in the USA? What was the ethnicity of the bankers who orchestrated the collapse of the German economy resulting in Hitler's rise in power again? I seem to forget. ;D
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The dollar is falling in relation to what? Other fiat paper currencies? Gold? Oil? Land?
The dollar has lost 41% of its value against the Euro since 2000 when Dubya took office.
That is what concerns people.
Another 8 years of a similar slide, and you know what oil, gas, and food will cost...
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The dollar has lost 41% of its value against the Euro since 2000 when Dubya took office.
That is what concerns people.
Another 8 years of a similar slide, and you know what oil, gas, and food will cost...
Eight years? Very optimistic. I hope the USA is not in a full blown depression in eight years. I say that because the Canadian economy is heavily reliant on the strength of the US economy.
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What is the ethnicity of the bankers who control the fraudulent speciously named "Federal" Reserve system in the USA? What was the ethnicity of the bankers who orchestrated the collapse of the German economy resulting in Hitler's rise in power again? I seem to forget. ;D
They didn't do it with guns Matt. "We the people" are just as responsible as the representatives that are bought and paid for.
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The dollar has lost 41% of its value against the Euro since 2000 when Dubya took office.
That is what concerns people.
Another 8 years of a similar slide, and you know what oil, gas, and food will cost...
You need to keep digging buddy. Stop arguing about Oz and talk about the man behind the curtain.
Collapse is inevitable with debt based money.
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i want to fuck bad bitches, all the nigths i never had bitches, now im all up in that ass, bitches
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Jews hold enormous power in the U.S and rule the country like a dictatorship, but I stiçll prefer them over orthodox Muslims who will kill you if you don't submit to their religious delusions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You need to keep digging buddy. Stop arguing about Oz and learn about who is behind the curtain.
You're very right about those things, but I don't spend time thinking about them because it's the nature of all monetary systems. Even back when the only financial measurement was a stick with niches issued by the king, money changers found ways to manipulate and over/undervalue it.
Those things don't concern me because it's the pot we're in now - that ain't changing.
However, the amount of money the next Prez chooses to borrow - creating new value or further loss of value of the buck - it something we CAN control. If Obama does what clinton does - he'll stop the massive spending and restore things domestically. If Mccain did what bush did, he'll borrow 4.5 trillion bucks and start another war or two.
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Exactly.. finally someone that see the TRUTH.
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Jews hold enormous power in the U.S and rule the country like a dictatorship, but I stiçll prefer them over orthodox Muslims who will kill you if you don't submit to their religious delusions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Don't pay your income tax and our government will meet you with guns and escort you to jail.
While in Jail you are used as human collateral for underwriting a BOND (more borrowing), and help to further the powers that be.
At least there is some honor in death.
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You need to keep digging buddy. Stop arguing about Oz and talk about the man behind the curtain.
Collapse is inevitable with debt based money.
Exactly...it's just a matter of when.
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all the true gangstaz kno, dizzle aint never loved no hoe
i got them freaky hoes clappin their handz, stompin their feetz; everynow and then they put their mouth on me
them hot hoez is feenin, they on the nutz, but bitch im out your pussy when i nut.
4REAL
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i want to fuck bad bitches, all the nigths i never had bitches, now im all up in that ass, bitches
Mad at 'cha boyfriend, aint 'cha?
You'se a bad girl, gotta spank ya
Gotta thank ya for that head clinic
Explicit, hella photogenic
And tell your friends where the dick's at
Where they can get hit and won't get back to they soulmate
Before you kiss 'em use Colgate
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You're very right about those things, but I don't spend time thinking about them because it's the nature of all monetary systems. Even back when the only financial measurement was a stick with niches issued by the king, money changers found ways to manipulate and over/undervalue it.
Those things don't concern me because it's the pot we're in now - that ain't changing.
However, the amount of money the next Prez chooses to borrow - creating new value or further loss of value of the buck - it something we CAN control. If Obama does what clinton does - he'll stop the massive spending and restore things domestically. If Mccain did what bush did, he'll borrow 4.5 trillion bucks and start another war or two.
It only postpones what is inevitable. As it stands now, we have no Constitution under Admiralty and Maritime Law.
People need to understand the principles that Jefferson wrote about... Not fight about the "value" of something that is made up and does not exist.
"Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless... the
time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is [now]
while our rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the
conclusion of this war [American Revolution] we shall be going
downhill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment
to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and
their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole
faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to
effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore,
which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war,
will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, till
our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion."
- Thomas Jefferson
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All those little aliens watching humanity must be laughing.
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Mad at 'cha boyfriend, aint 'cha?
You'se a bad girl, gotta spank ya
Gotta thank ya for that head clinic
Explicit, hella photogenic
And tell your friends where the dick's at
Where they can get hit and won't get back to they soulmate
Before you kiss 'em use Colgate
Talkin that, walkin that, spittin at hoes
Smokin this, drinkin that, hittin at hoes
Fuck this I'm hittin that I'm hittin em both
Have one ridin dick, one lickin my toes
When I'm lovin these hoes there ain't no love involved
No hugs, no kisses, bear rugs, bear britches
Rare bitches like to pose in them Black Tail pictures
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sure, inevitable. Could be 10 days, could be 10 years, could be 150 years.
All things end, no denying that. There will come a day when the USA isn't the only superpower.
I hope it's in a few hundred years. We can sit around and ponder when it'll happen, but since we can't do sheeit to stop it, and since people have been saying for hundreds of years that the end is just around the corner, yet our leaders always find ways to actually expand our power and influence...
I'd say we shouldn't worry about it. prepare for the worst, but know that the smartest people on earth are working to keep the USA #1. And they've done it so far. If the house of cards comes falling one day, so be it. I"m having an ice cream sundae tonight because that's something I CAN control. World money situation = above my pay grade lol...
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Talkin that, walkin that, spittin at hoes
Smokin this, drinkin that, hittin at hoes
Fuck this I'm hittin that I'm hittin em both
Have one ridin dick, one lickin my toes
When I'm lovin these hoes there ain't no love involved
No hugs, no kisses, bear rugs, bear britches
Rare bitches like to pose in them Black Tail pictures
gotta love that dre...
Yeah -- I just took some Ecstasy
Ain't no tellin what the side effects could be
All these fine bitches equal sex to me
plus I got this bad bitch layin next to me
No doubt, sit back on the couch
Pants down, rubber on, set to turn that ass out
Laid the bitch out, then I put it in her mouth
Pulled out, nutted on a towel and passed out
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Fuckin' hoes, clockin' dough up to no good
We flip flop and serve hoes like flap jacks
But we don't love them hoes!! Bitch, and it's like that
This is what you look for in a ho who got cash flow
Ya run up in them hoes and grab the cash
And get your dash on
While you're chillin', with your homies and shit
And how my niggaz kick the anthem like this
BEEEYYAAACHHH
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our our little bed buddies israel
HAHA
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It really boils down to this: the U.S., Israel and the west want to preserve our way of life...which is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Conversely, dictators like the ones in Iran think we should live like them and want to destroy our way of life. Just look at 9/11 and the little Iranian dictator's OWN WORDS about wiping Israel off the map.
You don't hear leaders of industrialized/advanced nations openly calling for the destruction of others.
Ask anyone who has lived under a muslim extremist regime which way of life he or she would choose.
In our lifetimes, it's doubtful we'll see western ways fully adapted in some of these ass backwards countries.
But fast forward 30, 40 or 50 years and there's a good chance democracy will take hold in some of these locations and we'll look back and Bush will be one name in the history books who helped forge the way.
Freedom is an inborn desire that all men strive for. These dictators are in a constant struggle to fight that desire from their own people.
Right now, if anyone threatens to destroy the way of life the west, we need to do everything in our power to protect ourselves and defeat the enemy.
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praise be to the prophet mohamad right John Matrix
lalalallalalalalalala
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sure, inevitable. Could be 10 days, could be 10 years, could be 150 years.
All things end, no denying that. There will come a day when the USA isn't the only superpower.
I hope it's in a few hundred years. We can sit around and ponder when it'll happen, but since we can't do sheeit to stop it, and since people have been saying for hundreds of years that the end is just around the corner, yet our leaders always find ways to actually expand our power and influence...
I'd say we shouldn't worry about it. prepare for the worst, but know that the smartest people on earth are working to keep the USA #1. And they've done it so far. If the house of cards comes falling one day, so be it. I"m having an ice cream sundae tonight because that's something I CAN control. World money situation = above my pay grade lol...
Actually, it is predicted that China's GNP wil surpass the U.S' by 2020. In terms of PPP(purchasing power parity) per capita the U.S is 12th in the World.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Actually, it is predicted that China's GNP wil surpass the U.S' by 2020. In terms of PPP(purchasing power parity) per capita the U.S is 12th in the World.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I believe that. They're growing like crazy. many believe the wars in afghanistan and iraw were really about setting up that nice row of bases to keep china at bay, growing slower than possible. CHI grabbing iran oil contracts, but USA controlling iraqi and afghan contracts.
If we'd have let china get all that oil, we'd be hella screwed in 10-15 years when they had the energy they needed to grow. I mean, they are essentially a nation of a billion near-slaves, right? Living in squalor and working hard? A nation can get VERY rich with a billion strong workforce who works for peanuts.
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They are scared shittless after we rolled over an enemy that they fought to a standstill for so many years. They obviously feel that the only way to ensure their security is to obtain these weapons. We completely destabilized the region when we went after saddam. That is obvious.
The problem is where does nuclear proliferation end? Is Iran stable enough to even control such weapons? Perhaps the US and Russia should make sure every country has at least 1 Nuke, that way everyone feels safe. Maybe then we can get back some of that oil money from the middle east??? :P (oh wait that is what russia is already doing - why dont they want a missile shield again?)
Good post.
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haha, nobody wants to touch this, everyone is afraid to even consider the possibility that israel is anything but the most righteous and holy of places, filled with those we were taught to speak of with a hushed reverence.
i'll touch reeel nice like as i see it....
hitler kills the jew.....germany's fault...so instead of giving them a part of germany ya take a whole bunch of jews...and put em where muslims were living..buut how do you get said muslims out of what is now israel...
well..murder...rape...ge nocide...yanno..the usual terrorist stuff...now those kids, all grown up ,that saw their mums getting raped and their dad heads getting chopped off , in fits of vengeful rage commit suicide bombings and it hits prime time news as terrorism...
you sow...n so on n so forth..
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You don't hear leaders of industrialized/advanced nations openly calling for the destruction of others.
no we dont talk about it...we actually go do it killing hundreds of thousands.. ;)
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Wow what a delusional bunch of morons jerking each other off. Hey matrix do u have any idea what kinds of people Iran supports. How many Americans, including attacks in the 80's, these bastards have killed. Please don't put Israel in the same box as them. Its amazing how u been nowhere, seen nothing naive Libs, actually think we're the bad guys in all of this.
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You don't hear leaders of industrialized/advanced nations openly calling for the destruction of others.
Uhh, yes you do, far from uncommon and it's been done as well.
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Who? On a daily basis.....
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israel has long range missles, have tested and used weapons against their neighbors, have WMDS, develop nuclear technology, chemical weapons, have shown aggressive hostile tendencies to bordering states, routinely ignores and defies UN resolutions and the international community, causes massive unstability in the region, uses terror tactics, has been caught spying on the US, and preumptively strikes anyone they wish, intimidates the region with military might, etc etc, but no, no, iran is the bad guy ::)
Israel has also never threatened to wipe out a neighboring country to fufil an ancient propechy either.
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Wow what a delusional bunch of morons jerking each other off. Hey matrix do u have any idea what kinds of people Iran supports. How many Americans, including attacks in the 80's, these bastards have killed. Please don't put Israel in the same box as them. Its amazing how u been nowhere, seen nothing naive Libs, actually think we're the bad guys in all of this.
Ozmo doesn't believe that Hezbollah is financed by Iran. Apparently the mountains of evidence are most likely a conspiracy theory. ::)
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Its amazing...I'm waiting for the "Iran hasn't invaded" line...what utter bullshit. Where would u rather live, who has done more for the world...Israel or Iran....who is a democracy. U douchbags call us Nazi's, u all would have fit in pretty damm well in 1939.
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Its amazing...I'm waiting for the "Iran hasn't invaded" line...what utter bullshit. Where would u rather live, who has done more for the world...Israel or Iran....who is a democracy. U douchbags call us Nazi's, u all would have fit in pretty damm well in 1939.
Muslims are innocent. If Israel was gone we would never suffer another terrorist attack again. Didn't you know that? That's THE only reason they hate us. ::)
Nevermind the fact that Iranian money has directly financed the deaths of thousands of American lives.
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Besides oil...what does Iran do for anybody.
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I just don't understand that if people don't consider Iran a threat, who in the world exactly DO they consider a threat.
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Besides oil...what does Iran do for anybody.
They kill Americans but it's ok. As long as they say they didn't do it that's good enough for most Getbiggers to believe them. ::)
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I just don't understand that if people don't consider Iran a threat, who in the world exactly DO they consider a threat.
Well they consider the US a threat. We're the bad guy...didn't u know that.
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Well they consider the US a threat. We're the bad guy...didn't u know that.
Sometimes I forget that Bush is responsible for all the evils on the planet, and every future evil is just a reaction to something he's done/will do.
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I guess if McCain gets in, it will be 4 more years of hearing that.
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. Where would u rather live, who has done more for the world...Israel or Iran....who is a democracy.
haha, israel is among the most racist nations on earth, everything there is based on strict racial lines, its no different if not worse than apartheid south africa who was demonized and condemned by the whole world who, ironically, does nothing but praise israel.
oh and what exactly are all these wonderful things israel has done for the world? ::)
i think islam is mostly a virus as well, but tell me what exactly is iran going to do to america? why do we 'need' to go over there, and commit thousands of american lives, to stop them from doing what?
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Muslims are innocent. If Israel was gone we would never suffer another terrorist attack again. Didn't you know that? That's THE only reason they hate us. ::)
Nevermind the fact that Iranian money has directly financed the deaths of thousands of American lives.
no one said anything about extremist muslims being 'innocent' ::) they may not like us or our way of life, but the only reason they are motivated enough to actually try to hurt us IS BECAUSE WE SUPPORT ISRAEL. japan is a free democracy with loads of materialism. canada is no different than the US. italy is a free democracy. holland is a free democracy.
all these nations are 'free democracies' with very similar principles. so why is it that they only try to hurt us?
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I guess if McCain gets in, it will be 4 more years of hearing that.
Hey bitching and moaning along with the safety of the United States.....I'd take that!
"Iran is not a threat" ~ Obama
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Gimme a break...this argument is so ridiculous. Do u hear the rethoric coming out of the Middle East, they want to erase the Western way of life. Our support of Israel stems from the Cold War. They were a hedge against Soviet expansion in the form of Arab nationalism. The world does not work they way u thin, despite all the good intentions in the world. Oil comes from the Mid East, until it doesn't we will do what we have to, to protect our stategic bets interests. Ever been to Israel, very nice place, pleasant people.
I'd also invite u to look at the problems happening in England, Holland and even Denmark, with the muslims.
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no one said anything about extremist muslims being 'innocent' ::) they may not like us or our way of life, but the only reason they are motivated enough to actually try to hurt us IS BECAUSE WE SUPPORT ISRAEL. japan is a free democracy with loads of materialism. canada is no different than the US. italy is a free democracy. holland is a free democracy.
all these nations are 'free democracies' with very similar principles. so why is it that they only try to hurt us?
Terrible, terrible argument. There have been a large number of Muslims arrested in Holland for plotting terrorist attacks and cells that want an Islamic state set up. Most of the Muslim terrorists in Asia attack us and others because they want a Muslim super state set up across the Pacific. Abu Sayyaf, Jemaah Islamiya, MLF and the other groups exist due to Islam, not Israel.
You're a moron if you think they would stop attacking us if we didn't support Israel. They would attack us for our bases, our support of Saudi Arabia's, Egypt's and other country's governments and many other reasons. Only a stupid ass would be dumb enough to actually think that.
Al Qaeda has also said that Japan would be punished for their actions. The only reason it probably hasn't happened is because Japan has a very small foreign population and a couple dozen Muslims arriving in the country would surely be watched and picked up before. Not to mention it's almost impossible to get any kind of explosives or weapons into the country.
Muslims in England want Sharia law implemented. They will continue to rally for it and demand it until they get it.
Blaming Israel for the reason terrorism exists is something Al Qaeda and people with IQs below 100 do.
Take away Israel and they'll hate us for another 1000 reasons. Plain and simple.
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Japan second largest economy in the world with one of the smallest populations.
Japan has done everything possible to stop muslim elementry schools from being built.
Muslims are watched like hawks in Japan.
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It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation. The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government. Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power. This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago. Know why it didn't? Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world. We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have. Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America.
Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life. What is our way of life nowadays? Ipods and SUV's? Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances? Cellphones and designer jeans? How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous? How free and great is American society nowadays? Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots. Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason! Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few. Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations. But yet we are "free"? LOL................free to do what? Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America. Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries. Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced. Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops. Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years. Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be. But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America. Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution. Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest. But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work! Capitalism? More like state corporatism. America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we?
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It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation. The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government. Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power. This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago. Know why it didn't? Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world. We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have. Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America.
Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life. What is our way of life nowadays? Ipods and SUV's? Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances? Cellphones and designer jeans? How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous? How free and great is American society nowadays? Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots. Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason! Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few. Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations. But yet we are "free"? LOL................free to do what? Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America. Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries. Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced. Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops. Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years. Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be. But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America. Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution. Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest. But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work! Capitalism? More like state corporatism. America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we?
This is a beautiful post; just beautiful. :'(
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Terrible, terrible argument. There have been a large number of Muslims arrested in Holland for plotting terrorist attacks and cells that want an Islamic state set up. Most of the Muslim terrorists in Asia attack us and others because they want a Muslim super state set up across the Pacific. Abu Sayyaf, Jemaah Islamiya, MLF and the other groups exist due to Islam, not Israel.
You're a moron if you think they would stop attacking us if we didn't support Israel. They would attack us for our bases, our support of Saudi Arabia's, Egypt's and other country's governments and many other reasons. Only a stupid ass would be dumb enough to actually think that.
Al Qaeda has also said that Japan would be punished for their actions. The only reason it probably hasn't happened is because Japan has a very small foreign population and a couple dozen Muslims arriving in the country would surely be watched and picked up before. Not to mention it's almost impossible to get any kind of explosives or weapons into the country.
Muslims in England want Sharia law implemented. They will continue to rally for it and demand it until they get it.
Blaming Israel for the reason terrorism exists is something Al Qaeda and people with IQs below 100 do.
Take away Israel and they'll hate us for another 1000 reasons. Plain and simple.
seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states ::)
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seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states ::)
You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.
Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.
What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?
Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.
By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners.
Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.
You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.
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You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.
Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.
What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?
Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.
By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners.
Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.
You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.
Nuke the sandniggas!
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Nuke the sandniggas!
I love each and every one of God's children! :D
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seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states ::)
You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.
Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.
What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?
Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.
By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners
Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.
You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.
I think you guys are talking at cross purposes slightly. If one rereads Matrix's post Spain and UK also being bombed was part of his point. That the allied forces...he listed Spain and UK specifically...were also attacked while other nations were not. The Bali bombings some hypotheized at being targeted at Australians, another allied force, as they make up a vast amount of the tourists there as it's one of the only 2 nations that can get to not involving an 8 hr $1,000 flight. Any 'western' tourist spot in Bali is chock full of Aussies.
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I think you guys are talking at cross purposes slightly. If one rereads Matrix's post Spain and UK also being bombed was part of his point. That the allied forces...he listed Spain and UK specifically...were also attacked while other nations were not. The Bali bombings some hypotheized at being targeted at Australians, another allied force, as they make up a vast amount of the tourists there as it's one of the only 2 nations that can get to not involving an 8 hr $1,000 flight. Any 'western' tourist spot in Bali is chock full of Aussies.
Bali is chock full of westerners and other foreigners. Jemaah Islamiyah has a large presence in Singapore and Singaporean authorities just busted up a terrorist plot last year. They exist to create a Muslim superstate across all of southeast Asia and won't stop until they either accomplish that or die trying. Taking away support for Israel will not change that. Jemaah Islamiyah's Singapore commander actually just escaped prison in May and hasn't been found yet.
They attack Australians in Bali because they're the largest group of westerners there. Not because they support Israel. They're notorious for kidnapping them for ransom and beheading them in the jungles.
Hezbollah will still hate us for threatening Iran. They'll hate us for our bases, our presence, taking their oil, supporting governments they don't like, not allowing Sharia Law in the US, etc. I could go on for days. Supporting or not supporting Israel will change nothing.
I read his post wrong but what it really means is that any member of NATO and the UN is liable, considering there are dozens of countries with some military or civilian presence in Afghanistan/Iraq.
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Bali is chock full of westerners and other foreigners. Jemaah Islamiyah has a large presence in Singapore and Singaporean authorities just busted up a terrorist plot last year. They exist to create a Muslim superstate across all of southeast Asia and won't stop until they either accomplish that or die trying. Taking away support for Israel will not change that. Jemaah Islamiyah's Singapore commander actually just escaped prison in May and hasn't been found yet.
They attack Australians in Bali because they're the largest group of westerners there. Not because they support Israel. They're notorious for kidnapping them for ransom and beheading them in the jungles.
Hezbollah will still hate us for threatening Iran. They'll hate us for our bases, our presence, taking their oil, supporting governments they don't like, not allowing Sharia Law in the US, etc. I could go on for days. Supporting or not supporting Israel will change nothing.
I read his post wrong but what it really means is that any member of NATO and the UN is liable, considering there are dozens of countries with some military or civilian presence in Afghanistan/Iraq.
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Yes, and on what or whose authority do we have a right to do that? Because we got the guns?
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Yes, and on what or whose authority do we have a right to do that? Because we got the guns?
That's the way the world works, academic (which you're not). You think that if the US leaves the world will be fine. I hate to break it to you, Russia and China would swoop right in and do the same thing. You'll never admit it but anyone with a grasp of world affairs knows I'm right. ::)
Or maybe you would like to tell me how China or Russia or some other power would do no such thing and the world's powers would sit around the campfire singing love songs all night? :D
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fuckin animals. march down my street like that and watch how fast I fling a glass bottle at you bitches.
seriously, you UK kids disapoint me. You crap on us savage americans, yet you let obnoxious idiots like that march on your streets.
most americans are tolerant of our neighbors. You live your life, I'll live mine. however, if some piece of shit ever walked down my street with that sign, I would pistol whip him to the fvcking ground. Lock me up, that's fine. You bring that kind of disrepect here, I'm giong to hurt you. I think most every american here would feel the same way.
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fuckin animals. march down my street like that and watch how fast I fling a glass bottle at you bitches.
seriously, you UK kids disapoint me. You crap on us savage americans, yet you let obnoxious idiots like that march on your streets.
most americans are tolerant of our neighbors. You live your life, I'll live mine. however, if some piece of shit ever walked down my street with that sign, I would pistol whip him to the fvcking ground. Lock me up, that's fine. You bring that kind of disrepect here, I'm giong to hurt you. I think most every american here would feel the same way.
hahahahaha, can u imagine a white dude carrying a similar sign in the middle east? (switch 'europe' with 'asia' or 'middle east') LMAO.
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If that's not photoshopped, I can't believe they really let some dude carry around a sign like that. pathetic :-\
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hahahahaha, can u imagine a white dude carrying a similar sign in the middle east? (switch 'europe' with 'asia' or 'middle east') LMAO.
LOL... that white dude would get gunned down, no doubt.
If that's not photoshopped, I can't believe they really let some dude carry around a sign like that. pathetic :-\
no shit. I'm a non-violent, law-abiding guy. But if you walk down my street like that, I'm going to beat you with that sign. I think everyone here feels the same way. And put me in front of a jury of my peers, and see if they don't acquit my ass in a minute...
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It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.
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It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.
source?
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It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation. The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government. Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power. This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago. Know why it didn't? Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world. We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have. Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America.
Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life. What is our way of life nowadays? Ipods and SUV's? Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances? Cellphones and designer jeans? How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous? How free and great is American society nowadays? Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots. Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason! Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few. Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations. But yet we are "free"? LOL................free to do what? Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America. Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries. Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced. Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops. Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years. Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be. But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America. Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution. Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest. But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work! Capitalism? More like state corporatism. America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we?
There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.
Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.
The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.
Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?
You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.
Live free or die!
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There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.
Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.
The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.
Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?
You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.
Live free or die!
You should check out Norway; it beats the US by every parameter of living standards in existence.
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Good for them. As long as its leader isn't running around calling for the destruction of other nations, it's a place I'd love to visit. And, if a little midget from Iran threatened its destruction, we should come to their aid.
Being that you are a Deicide fan, are you also a fan of Norway's Dimmu Borgir? I've met and hung out with Deicide. They rock. Wish the Hoffman brothers never left the band. But I digress... :)
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Good for them. As long as its leader isn't running around calling for the destruction of other nations, it's a place I'd love to visit. And, if a little midget from Iran threatened its destruction, we should come to their aid.
Being that you are a Deicide fan, are you also a fan of Norway's Dimmu Borgir? I've met and hung out with Deicide. They rock. Wish the Hoffman brothers never left the band. But I digress... :)
Actually I have never heard anything from the band. My name stems from my opposition to religion.
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Well, that's a discussion for another thread, I guess. :)
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There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.
Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.
The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.
Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?
You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.
Live free or die!
First off I wasn't comparing Iran to America buddy. Determination, hardwork and education are becoming less and less important for a majority of Americans to have the "American Dream". You didn't address any of my questions and your arrogance and naivety about the rest of the world is all too laughable. People from Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries are not clamoring to come to the U.S. Maybe 50 years ago but definitely not now. You know how much Europeans get as far as vacation a year? Oh but you'll come back with some ignorant comment like how they're "socialist" or they have $8 gas or they have high taxes or they have high unemployment yadda yadda. I'm not saying America isn't one of the greatest countries in the world but if you don't believe our fucking policies and what not are misguided and only serve the interests of elite, corporations, etc. you're clueless. Yeah America these days is great if you want to go into debt. More more Americans can't afford a college education? What's your take on that? People don't work hard enough? They aren't smart enough? You're the typical American that measures life in terms of monetary success. There are more important things to life than fucking Ipod's and stereos. The most important parts of my previous post you had no arguments against and they are in fact the most important. The only thing you can argue is that as an American you can have a great life materialistically. And you think we are freer than most nations?
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It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.
fake.
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You're wrong in saying I measure life in terms of monetary success. For some, the basic necessities are all that are needed: good roof over head, food on the table and a family. I've spent time in third world countries in South America, so I've seen first-hand what it's like not to have the basics. If I lost my home, cars and money (the basics), I'd still feel privileged to live in the country I do, knowing I can get what I need back through hard work. In some countries, it just doesn't work that way. I know highly educated people in South America who simply can't find work.
My aim isn't to bash the European countries you listed. And, you are right in saying that people from those countries aren't clamoring to come here. But they certainly aren't clamoring to get into Iran!!
This entire thread started about people saying being critical of Iran's leader was "fearmongering". I'm guessing these people have never been to the middle east or a third world country to see what life is truly like under a dictatorship. If they did, they would know that Ahmadinejad is neither good for his people nor the rest of the world. We (civilized societies) should fear this man.
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You're wrong in saying I measure life in terms of monetary success. For some, the basic necessities are all that are needed: good roof over head, food on the table and a family. I've spent time in third world countries in South America, so I've seen first-hand what it's like not to have the basics. If I lost my home, cars and money (the basics), I'd still feel privileged to live in the country I do, knowing I can get what I need back through hard work. In some countries, it just doesn't work that way. I know highly educated people in South America who simply can't find work.
My aim isn't to bash the European countries you listed. And, you are right in saying that people from those countries aren't clamoring to come here. But they certainly aren't clamoring to get into Iran!!
This entire thread started about people saying being critical of Iran's leader was "fearmongering". I'm guessing these people have never been to the middle east or a third world country to see what life is truly like under a dictatorship. If they did, they would know that Ahmadinejad is neither good for his people nor the rest of the world. We (civilized societies) should fear this man.
You are almost in the middle; most people on this board say Europe sucks and the US is #1 because you have the bombs.
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You're wrong in saying I measure life in terms of monetary success. For some, the basic necessities are all that are needed: good roof over head, food on the table and a family. I've spent time in third world countries in South America, so I've seen first-hand what it's like not to have the basics. If I lost my home, cars and money (the basics), I'd still feel privileged to live in the country I do, knowing I can get what I need back through hard work. In some countries, it just doesn't work that way. I know highly educated people in South America who simply can't find work.
My aim isn't to bash the European countries you listed. And, you are right in saying that people from those countries aren't clamoring to come here. But they certainly aren't clamoring to get into Iran!!
This entire thread started about people saying being critical of Iran's leader was "fearmongering". I'm guessing these people have never been to the middle east or a third world country to see what life is truly like under a dictatorship. If they did, they would know that Ahmadinejad is neither good for his people nor the rest of the world. We (civilized societies) should fear this man.
You may not but most Americans view a great life in terms of materialistic possessions. I.e. go to college get a job make money buy a big house most of us don't need, drive a car most of us don't need, buy a cell phone most of us don't need, wear certain clothes most of us don't need. Our society is based on consumption. Don't you ever get sick of our "plastic" life nowadays? We are a great country with great people but like most of the industrialized world we've lost our soul in my opinion. What is American culture anymore? McDonald's and Coca-Cola? Britney Spears and Guitar Hero? MTV and Dancing with the Stars?
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For some people, yes, you are correct. But the beauty is they can re-learn what is important in life. People change jobs, their goals change, and different things become important in different stages in their life.
Again, that kind of freedom just doesn't exist in Iran. You can find examples time and time again of people who leave such nations on earth and come to other ones to make better lives for themselves.
I believe it's human nature to live with the freedoms we enjoy and it's worth protecting.
No country is perfect, and no way of life is perfect. It's just not possible.
But it should be clear that the way the Iranian leader talks and conducts himself just isn't right. The guy is no good. That's what this thread is about.
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For some people, yes, you are correct. But the beauty is they can re-learn what is important in life. People change jobs, their goals change, and different things become important in different stages in their life.
Again, that kind of freedom just doesn't exist in Iran. You can find examples time and time again of people who leave such nations on earth and come to other ones to make better lives for themselves.
I believe it's human nature to live with the freedoms we enjoy and it's worth protecting.
No country is perfect, and no way of life is perfect. It's just not possible.
But it should be clear that the way the Iranian leader talks and conducts himself just isn't right. The guy is no good. That's what this thread is about.
Point taken however, I think if you were to talk with Iranian people they would feel very different. Iranian people are much more westernized than the media would have you believe. Have you been to Iran? Have you immersed yourself in their culture? Do you feel Ahamadenijhad represents the Iranian people? Does George Bush represent the American people?
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Point taken however, I think if you were to talk with Iranian people they would feel very different. Iranian people are much more westernized than the media would have you believe. Have you been to Iran? Have you immersed yourself in their culture? Do you feel Ahamadenijhad represents the Iranian people? Does George Bush represent the American people?
Well have u...what countries have visited...what utter drivel. When was the last time u spent anytime outside the US. Europeans are consumers just like the US. They'rte flocking here on vacation to buy things because of the strong Euro. Have U been to Iran. Ive spent more time then I care to in the Middle East. Ur posts are some much junk. Europe is just as "plastic" as we are. I spend about 200 plus days traveling abroad per year...how many countries do u visit?
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Well have u...what countries have visited...what utter drivel. When was the last time u spent anytime outside the US. Europeans are consumers just like the US. They'rte flocking here on vacation to buy things because of the strong Euro. Have U been to Iran. Ive spent more time then I care to in the Middle East. Ur posts are some much junk. Europe is just as "plastic" as we are. I spend about 200 plus days traveling abroad per year...how many countries do u visit?
I never said Europe is better than the U.S. I said much of the industrialized world has lost its soul. No I have never been to the middle east specifically. Did I say Iran is a better country? No. You are making generalizations. Now that I said much of the industrialized world has lost its soul you're going to generalize that into saying I'd rather live in a third world country. See how it is reasoning with simpletons like yourself who can't think outside the box?
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U asked somebody if they had been to Iran, u have not either. I then mentioned the Middle East...u haven't been there either. I have, u have zero frame of reference. I mentioned Europe, when was the last time u have been there? They are no different then us. I never said u would rather live in the 3rd world but I would encourage u to travel to a 3rd world country so u have some frame of reference. It would appear u get ur info from the net. As far as being a simpleton...whats ur education level...what do u do for a living? U don't travel, especially to place u try and sound expert about. I'd have to say ur an idiot, at best, naive.
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U asked somebody if they had been to Iran, u have not either. I then mentioned the Middle East...u haven't been there either. I have, u have zero frame of reference. I mentioned Europe, when was the last time u have been there? They are no different then us. I never said u would rather live in the 3rd world but I would encourage u to travel to a 3rd world country so u have some frame of reference. It would appear u get ur info from the net. As far as being a simpleton...whats ur education level...what do u do for a living? U don't travel, especially to place u try and sound expert about. I'd have to say ur an idiot, at best, naive.
When did I pretend to sound like an expert on Iran although I work with many Iranian people and I can tell you they have VERY different views of their own country than what most Americans think. My questions were in reference to MP. I asked him if he'd ever been to Iran, has he talked to Iranian people, immersed himself in their culture. He was making strong statements generalizing the country and the people. Not me. Hence why I asked him the question. And as a matter of fact yes I have been to Europe and yes I have traveled abroad, but not to the middle east. Sorry but because you've been overseas in the military does not make you an expert on any country or culture either. If I listened to all the military guys I know about their experiences in other countries and what they thought of the rest of the world I'd probably come off as an ethnocentric culturalphobe. Probably much like yourself. I know enough about the "thrid world" to realize not every third world country is a "shithole" filled with crazy jihadists who want to kill Americans. My education level and livelihood is irrelevant to this debate. If you don't like what I say then offer up your own arguments and your own facts.
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I do....I've traveled extensively all over the world and while u would love to dismiss that experience as irrelevent, its of course, superior to ur own. My moms' from Ireland so I traveled all over Europe when I was young. Ur education level is relevent and life experience as well. If u haven't been to the 3rd world, I'd imagine u have no real idea what ur talking about. Ur facts are taken from the net, u have zero frame of reference.
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I do....I've traveled extensively all over the world and while u would love to dismiss that experience as irrelevent, its of course, superior to ur own. My moms' from Ireland so I traveled all over Europe when I was young. Ur education level is relevent and life experience as well. If u haven't been to the 3rd world, I'd imagine u have no real idea what ur talking about. Ur facts are taken from the net, u have zero frame of reference.
You seem to internalize everything I say as to be some sort of personal attack. I never dismissed your experience as irrelevant but your experience does not automatically make you an expert on culture or people. But you seem to have this negative, dirty view of the third world. Sorry just because I've never "physically" been to the middle east does not mean I have zero frame of reference. As far as my education I'm a college graduate if that matters at all.
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Gayer than posting in a thread that I didn't even read the title of