TIRED OF STUPID IRAN FEARMONGERING

[youandme]

Japan second largest economy in the world with one of the smallest populations.
Japan has done everything possible to stop muslim elementry schools from being built.
Muslims are watched like hawks in Japan.

[MuscleMcMannus]

It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation.  The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government.  Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power.  This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago.  Know why it didn't?  Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world.  We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have.  Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America. 

Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life.  What is our way of life nowadays?  Ipods and SUV's?  Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances?  Cellphones and designer jeans?  How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous?  How free and great is American society nowadays?  Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots.  Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason!  Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few.  Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations.  But yet we are "free"?  LOL................free to do what?  Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America.  Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries.  Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced.  Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops.  Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years.  Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be.  But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America.  Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution.  Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest.  But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work!  Capitalism?  More like state corporatism.  America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we? 

[Deicide]

It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation.  The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government.  Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power.  This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago.  Know why it didn't?  Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world.  We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have.  Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America. 

Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life.  What is our way of life nowadays?  Ipods and SUV's?  Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances?  Cellphones and designer jeans?  How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous?  How free and great is American society nowadays?  Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots.  Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason!  Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few.  Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations.  But yet we are "free"?  LOL................free to do what?  Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America.  Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries.  Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced.  Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops.  Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years.  Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be.  But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America.  Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution.  Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest.  But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work!  Capitalism?  More like state corporatism.  America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we? 

This is a beautiful post; just beautiful. 

[JOHN MATRIX]

Terrible, terrible argument. There have been a large number of Muslims arrested in Holland for plotting terrorist attacks and cells that want an Islamic state set up. Most of the Muslim terrorists in Asia attack us and others because they want a Muslim super state set up across the Pacific. Abu Sayyaf, Jemaah Islamiya, MLF and the other groups exist due to Islam, not Israel.

You're a moron if you think they would stop attacking us if we didn't support Israel. They would attack us for our bases, our support of Saudi Arabia's, Egypt's and other country's governments and many other reasons. Only a stupid ass would be dumb enough to actually think that.

Al Qaeda has also said that Japan would be punished for their actions. The only reason it probably hasn't happened is because Japan has a very small foreign population and a couple dozen Muslims arriving in the country would surely be watched and picked up before. Not to mention it's almost impossible to get any kind of explosives or weapons into the country.

Muslims in England want Sharia law implemented. They will continue to rally for it and demand it until they get it.

Blaming Israel for the reason terrorism exists is something Al Qaeda and people with IQs below 100 do.

Take away Israel and they'll hate us for another 1000 reasons. Plain and simple.

seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states

[Fury]

seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states

You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.

Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.

What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?

Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.

By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners.

Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.

You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.

[Deicide]

You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.

Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.

What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?

Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.

By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners.

Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.

You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.

Nuke the sandniggas!

[Fury]

Nuke the sandniggas!

I love each and every one of God's children! 

[CQ]

seemed to have missed the point buddy. middle eastern muslim terrorists actively attempt to attack the united states. despite being closer and easier, they do not attack portugal, holland, belgium, italy, etc, etc, all free democracies. they do not attempt to attack japan. they attempt to attack the united states, because we prop up israel (and more recently our invasions and occupations). those who were allies in our recent invasion of iraq, were also attacked (britain and spain). as soon as spain withdrew their troops, middle eastern muslims stopped trying to attack them. southeastern asian muslim groups, while being a thorn in the side of their own nations, dont try to kill blow up buildings or kill people in the united states

You're missing the point buddy. Holland, Belgium and these other countries have arrested countless suspected terrorists over the last few years. Just because they haven't succeeded in attacking them doesn't mean they're not trying to. Have you read anything anyone has said to you? Obviously you haven't.

Japan hasn't been attacked because like youandme said, Muslims are watched like Hawks. It's damn near impossible to get a gun into Japan, let alone hundreds of pounds of explosives, plan an attack, and carry it out.

What were those Muslims of Middle Eastern descent doing in Britain last year when they loaded that Mercedes with gasoline canisters and ball bearings and tried to blow it up outside a night club? Celebrating a birthday? Or when they drove that car into Heathrow and tried to blow it up after the car failed to detonate?

Spain wasn't attacked by middle eastern Muslims? LOL. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Middle Eastern Muslims who were inspired by Al Qaeda's principles. Do some reading before you try to pull fallacies out of thin air.

By the way , the southeastern Asian groups don't attack the American homefront because they can't get to it. They just blow up night clubs in Bali that are full of foreigners. The 2002 Bali club bombings ring a bell? Jemaah Islamiyah is notorious for targeting Americans and foreigners

Anyone who thinks terrorism will just up and vanish if the US stops supporting Israel is a god damn moron. Plain and simple.

You've just done a good job proving that you have absolutely zero grasp of anything regarding this topic. Some people are so obtuse it's astounding.

I think you guys are talking at cross purposes slightly. If one rereads Matrix's post Spain and UK also being bombed was part of his point. That the allied forces...he listed Spain and UK specifically...were also attacked while other nations were not. The Bali bombings some hypotheized at being targeted at Australians, another allied force, as they make up a vast amount of the tourists there as it's one of the only 2 nations that can get to not involving an 8 hr $1,000 flight. Any 'western' tourist spot in Bali is chock full of Aussies.

[Fury]

I think you guys are talking at cross purposes slightly. If one rereads Matrix's post Spain and UK also being bombed was part of his point. That the allied forces...he listed Spain and UK specifically...were also attacked while other nations were not. The Bali bombings some hypotheized at being targeted at Australians, another allied force, as they make up a vast amount of the tourists there as it's one of the only 2 nations that can get to not involving an 8 hr $1,000 flight. Any 'western' tourist spot in Bali is chock full of Aussies.

Bali is chock full of westerners and other foreigners. Jemaah Islamiyah has a large presence in Singapore and Singaporean authorities just busted up a terrorist plot last year. They exist to create a Muslim superstate across all of southeast Asia and won't stop until they either accomplish that or die trying. Taking away support for Israel will not change that. Jemaah Islamiyah's Singapore commander actually just escaped prison in May and hasn't been found yet.

They attack Australians in Bali because they're the largest group of westerners there. Not because they support Israel. They're notorious for kidnapping them for ransom and beheading them in the jungles.

Hezbollah will still hate us for threatening Iran. They'll hate us for our bases, our presence, taking their oil, supporting governments they don't like, not allowing Sharia Law in the US, etc. I could go on for days. Supporting or not supporting Israel will change nothing.

I read his post wrong but what it really means is that any member of NATO and the UN is liable, considering there are dozens of countries with some military or civilian presence in Afghanistan/Iraq.

[Deicide]

Bali is chock full of westerners and other foreigners. Jemaah Islamiyah has a large presence in Singapore and Singaporean authorities just busted up a terrorist plot last year. They exist to create a Muslim superstate across all of southeast Asia and won't stop until they either accomplish that or die trying. Taking away support for Israel will not change that. Jemaah Islamiyah's Singapore commander actually just escaped prison in May and hasn't been found yet.

They attack Australians in Bali because they're the largest group of westerners there. Not because they support Israel. They're notorious for kidnapping them for ransom and beheading them in the jungles.

Hezbollah will still hate us for threatening Iran. They'll hate us for our bases, our presence, taking their oil, supporting governments they don't like, not allowing Sharia Law in the US, etc. I could go on for days. Supporting or not supporting Israel will change nothing.

I read his post wrong but what it really means is that any member of NATO and the UN is liable, considering there are dozens of countries with some military or civilian presence in Afghanistan/Iraq.

Yes, and on what or whose authority do we have a right to do that? Because we got the guns?

[Fury]

Yes, and on what or whose authority do we have a right to do that? Because we got the guns?

That's the way the world works, academic (which you're not). You think that if the US leaves the world will be fine. I hate to break it to you, Russia and China would swoop right in and do the same thing. You'll never admit it but anyone with a grasp of world affairs knows I'm right.

Or maybe you would like to tell me how China or Russia or some other power would do no such thing and the world's powers would sit around the campfire singing love songs all night? 

[240 is Back]

fuckin animals.  march down my street like that and watch how fast I fling a glass bottle at you bitches.

seriously, you UK kids disapoint me.  You crap on us savage americans, yet you let obnoxious idiots like that march on your streets.

most americans are tolerant of our neighbors.   You live your life, I'll live mine.  however, if some piece of shit ever walked down my street with that sign, I would pistol whip him to the fvcking ground.  Lock me up, that's fine.  You bring that kind of disrepect here, I'm giong to hurt you.  I think most every american here would feel the same way.

[haider]

fuckin animals.  march down my street like that and watch how fast I fling a glass bottle at you bitches.

seriously, you UK kids disapoint me.  You crap on us savage americans, yet you let obnoxious idiots like that march on your streets.

most americans are tolerant of our neighbors.   You live your life, I'll live mine.  however, if some piece of shit ever walked down my street with that sign, I would pistol whip him to the fvcking ground.  Lock me up, that's fine.  You bring that kind of disrepect here, I'm giong to hurt you.  I think most every american here would feel the same way.

hahahahaha, can u imagine a white dude carrying a similar sign in the middle east? (switch 'europe' with 'asia' or 'middle east') LMAO.

[haider]

If that's not photoshopped, I can't believe they really let some dude carry around a sign like that. pathetic 

[240 is Back]

hahahahaha, can u imagine a white dude carrying a similar sign in the middle east? (switch 'europe' with 'asia' or 'middle east') LMAO.

LOL... that white dude would get gunned down, no doubt.

If that's not photoshopped, I can't believe they really let some dude carry around a sign like that. pathetic 

no shit.  I'm a non-violent, law-abiding guy.  But if you walk down my street like that, I'm going to beat you with that sign.  I think everyone here feels the same way.  And put me in front of a jury of my peers, and see if they don't acquit my ass in a minute...

[Fury]

It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.

[haider]

It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.

source?

[MP]

It's sad that as Americans we still actually believe we are a "free" and "democratic" nation.  The country is ruled by a powerful, elite, clique who through certain financial and corporate systems controls our government.  Our foreign policy, one that headhuntersix and other military personnel so emphatically support has absolutely nothing to do with national security and everything to do with money, oil, and power.  This country could and should have cut its reliance on mid east oil decades ago.  Know why it didn't?  Cause you got a fucking old boys club of oilmen and oil companies that wield lots of power and control not only over the U.S. government but the world.  We will never be energy independent as long as these oil conglomerates have the power they have.  Look at how many Presidents and politicians come from big oil, let alone corporate America. 

Some of you in this thread have argued that our troops are over there protecting oil so that we can protect our way of life.  What is our way of life nowadays?  Ipods and SUV's?  Granite counterops and stainless steel appliances?  Cellphones and designer jeans?  How much of our "way of life" is absolutely unnecessary, and downright gluttonous?  How free and great is American society nowadays?  Both parents working harder than ever barely able to raise their own kids, our health system is a mess, we are all pretty much enslaved by our mortgages, car loans, credit card debt because we've become brainwashed hyperconsumptive materialistic robots.  Marketing and advertising is a multibillion dollar industry for a reason!  Our government constantly socializes corporate losses while privatizing profits to a few.  Americans are no healthier or no happier than other nations.  But yet we are "free"?  LOL................free to do what?  Free to fucking be a slave to corporate America.  Free to see our companies and public assets turned over to foreign nations/countries.  Free to see our jobs outsourced and insourced.  Free to eat like shit and stuff our face with Monsanto GMO food and crops.  Free to send our kids to college and turn them into indentured debt slaves after 4 years.  Of course the wealthier you are in America the "freer" you appear to be.  But no nation has ever survived the income and wealth gaps you see in America.  Income distribution in some form or another has ALWAYS sparked revolution.  Hence why America was a great country when its middle class was the strongest.  But listen to the sheeple and kool aid drinkers our there that tell you this is the fruit of capitalism at work!  Capitalism?  More like state corporatism.  America hasn't had real capitalism.............w ell when have we? 

There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.

Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.

The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.

Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?

You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.

Live free or die!

[Deicide]

There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.

Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.

The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.

Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?

You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.

Live free or die!

You should check out Norway; it beats the US by every parameter of living standards in existence.

[MP]

Good for them. As long as its leader isn't running around calling for the destruction of other nations, it's a place I'd love to visit. And, if a little midget from Iran threatened its destruction, we should come to their aid.

Being that you are a Deicide fan, are you also a fan of Norway's Dimmu Borgir? I've met and hung out with Deicide. They rock. Wish the Hoffman brothers never left the band. But I digress...

[Deicide]

Good for them. As long as its leader isn't running around calling for the destruction of other nations, it's a place I'd love to visit. And, if a little midget from Iran threatened its destruction, we should come to their aid.

Being that you are a Deicide fan, are you also a fan of Norway's Dimmu Borgir? I've met and hung out with Deicide. They rock. Wish the Hoffman brothers never left the band. But I digress...

Actually I have never heard anything from the band. My name stems from my opposition to religion.

[MP]

Well, that's a discussion for another thread, I guess. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

There may be some grains of truth in there about people succumbing to materialism and getting into debt, but some of your other points are so off base that you are delusional at best.

Here's the bottom line:
1. What country do millions of people desire to immigrate to? Let me give you a clue, it ain't nowhere in the middle east.
2. With regard to our health care system being a mess, yeah, it could use some improving, but again. Are people heading over to Iran for healthcare? Nope, didn't think so.

The only thing "sad" is people like you who seem to revel in any problems our country may have, rather than finding the positive or trying to stand up for what is good about the U.S. One thing I positively know, my family and my kids will have a better life here than living under a dictatorship.

Just curious, where do you live? Where do you wish you could live if you aren't living there already?

You repeated a key word in your post -- "Free". That's the beauty of this country. Through determination, education and hard work you are FREE to make a great life for yourself no matter what the government does or does not do. However, under a dictatorship like in Iran, you don't have such freedom. Just look at how they treat their women. That will tell you all you need to know about these ass-backwards countries that are living in the stone age.

Live free or die!

First off I wasn't comparing Iran to America buddy.  Determination, hardwork and education are becoming less and less important for a majority of Americans to have the "American Dream".  You didn't address any of my questions and your arrogance and naivety about the rest of the world is all too laughable.  People from Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries are not clamoring to come to the U.S.  Maybe 50 years ago but definitely not now.  You  know how much Europeans get as far as vacation a year?  Oh but you'll come back with some ignorant comment like how they're "socialist" or they have $8 gas or they have high taxes or they have high unemployment yadda yadda.  I'm not saying America isn't one of the greatest countries in the world but if you don't believe our fucking policies and what not are misguided and only serve the interests of elite, corporations, etc. you're clueless.  Yeah America these days is great if you want to go into debt.  More more Americans can't afford a college education?  What's your take on that?  People don't work hard enough?  They aren't smart enough?  You're the typical American that measures life in terms of monetary success.  There are more important things to life than fucking Ipod's and stereos.  The most important parts of my previous post you had no arguments against and they are in fact the most important.  The only thing you can argue is that as an American you can have a great life materialistically.  And you think we are freer than most nations?  

[Hugo Chavez]

It's not photoshopped. Neither is this one.

fake.

[MP]

You're wrong in saying I measure life in terms of monetary success. For some, the basic necessities are all that are needed: good roof over head, food on the table and a family. I've spent time in third world countries in South America, so I've seen first-hand what it's like not to have the basics. If I lost my home, cars and money (the basics), I'd still feel privileged to live in the country I do, knowing I can get what I need back through hard work. In some countries, it just doesn't work that way. I know highly educated people in South America who simply can't find work.

My aim isn't to bash the European countries you listed. And, you are right in saying that people from those countries aren't clamoring to come here. But they certainly aren't clamoring to get into Iran!!

This entire thread started about people saying being critical of Iran's leader was "fearmongering". I'm guessing these people have never been to the middle east or a third world country to see what life is truly like under a dictatorship. If they did, they would know that Ahmadinejad is neither good for his people nor the rest of the world. We (civilized societies) should fear this man.