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Title: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 09, 2008, 06:29:11 PM
I haven't used creatine in almost a year.  Started it again this week.  Wow, it tears the belly up.  I forgot about this side effect.   :(
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 09, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
use controlled labs creatine...no stomach upset
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on July 09, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
i can't fuck with it. i get massive headaches
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 09, 2008, 06:41:34 PM
i can't fuck with it. i get massive headaches


from dehydration?

I got the same headaches when I'd drink all night and go to sleep.  Since I added more water to my drinking binges, the headaches have stopped.  I"m thinking it's the same with creatine.


use controlled labs creatine...no stomach upset

I'm just using the cheap powder stuff.  I need to order some good premixed powder.  Old stuff just works so well for me.  I'll seriously add ten pounds of water in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 09, 2008, 06:42:13 PM
I can take 100 grams of creatine in one day without problems. Never did anything to my stomach.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Bast000 on July 09, 2008, 07:09:41 PM
I can take 100 grams of creatine in one day without problems. Never did anything to my stomach.

epic 20 heaping teaspoons.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: sgt. d on July 09, 2008, 07:10:47 PM
I haven't used creatine in almost a year.  Started it again this week.  Wow, it tears the belly up.  I forgot about this side effect.   :(

Hi Goudy
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Rami on July 09, 2008, 07:16:01 PM
Creatine: How to fuck up your kidney function and cause irreversible damage.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 09, 2008, 07:22:06 PM
Creatine: How to fuck up your kidney function and cause irreversible damage.
hahahaha
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Spike on July 09, 2008, 07:23:08 PM
I can take 100 grams of creatine in one day without problems. Never did anything to my stomach.

...but it turns my shit purple
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on July 09, 2008, 07:49:21 PM
from dehydration?

I got the same headaches when I'd drink all night and go to sleep.  Since I added more water to my drinking binges, the headaches have stopped.  I"m thinking it's the same with creatine.


I'm just using the cheap powder stuff.  I need to order some good premixed powder.  Old stuff just works so well for me.  I'll seriously add ten pounds of water in 2 weeks.

no idea. whenever I used it for about a week I would start getting these crazy headaches.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 09, 2008, 07:49:57 PM
i havent used creatine in like a year... i dont think it ever did anything for me
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: webcake on July 09, 2008, 07:59:01 PM
I havent used creatine for ages. Never noticed anything when on it, other than an upset stomach. Guess im a non responder to creatine...
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 09, 2008, 08:23:21 PM
Try Kre-alkalyn creatine. Been using it for 6 weeks. I didn't use creatine for several years because I always looked smooth and watery on it. This stuff has put about 7 pounds on me, no loss of definition, great fullness and pumps. No water retention or stomach issues. I thought the ads were Bullshit, cause they all claim no side effects. The name of the version I used is Creatine Infusion (Kre-Alkalyn) from Sci-fit. Apparently altering the PH level of the creatine prevents the conversion to the byproducts that cause the sides. I am taking more than they suggest, but it won't mess with your stomach, and this is supposedly the only stable Liquid formula of creatine.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Zaphod on July 09, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
Try Kre-alkalyn creatine. Been using it for 6 weeks. I didn't use creatine for several years because I always looked smooth and watery on it. This stuff has put about 7 pounds on me, no loss of definition, great fullness and pumps. No water retention or stomach issues. I thought the ads were Bullshit, cause they all claim no side effects. The name of the version I used is Creatine Infusion (Kre-Alkalyn) from Sci-fit. Apparently altering the PH level of the creatine prevents the conversion to the byproducts that cause the sides. I am taking more than they suggest, but it won't mess with your stomach, and this is supposedly the only stable Liquid formula of creatine.

I heard good stuff aboul Kre-alkalyn. Nver tried it but I trust it more that Chinese lead enhanced ethyl-ester
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: elite_lifter on July 09, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
Creatine works for me.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: affy on July 09, 2008, 08:54:58 PM
never really did much for me when i tried it back in freshman year
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 09, 2008, 09:03:49 PM
You are supposed to take it with sugar
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: genrommel74 on July 09, 2008, 09:06:38 PM
Try Kre-alkalyn creatine. Been using it for 6 weeks. I didn't use creatine for several years because I always looked smooth and watery on it. This stuff has put about 7 pounds on me, no loss of definition, great fullness and pumps. No water retention or stomach issues. I thought the ads were Bullshit, cause they all claim no side effects. The name of the version I used is Creatine Infusion (Kre-Alkalyn) from Sci-fit. Apparently altering the PH level of the creatine prevents the conversion to the byproducts that cause the sides. I am taking more than they suggest, but it won't mess with your stomach, and this is supposedly the only stable Liquid formula of creatine.

i use kre-alkalyn, good stuff
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 09, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
Try Kre-alkalyn creatine. Been using it for 6 weeks. I didn't use creatine for several years because I always looked smooth and watery on it. This stuff has put about 7 pounds on me, no loss of definition, great fullness and pumps. No water retention or stomach issues. I thought the ads were Bullshit, cause they all claim no side effects. The name of the version I used is Creatine Infusion (Kre-Alkalyn) from Sci-fit. Apparently altering the PH level of the creatine prevents the conversion to the byproducts that cause the sides. I am taking more than they suggest, but it won't mess with your stomach, and this is supposedly the only stable Liquid formula of creatine.

Kre-Alkalyn is just plain old creatine monohydrate mixed with a buffer like bicarbonate. The reason for less sides is that you take less of it. I see absolutely no reason why it would cause less water retention than straight monohydrate, apart from the lower dosage.

And a study actually showed Kre-Alkalyn to be less stable in water than regular monohydrate.



Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) a “Buffered” creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.


Supported by Cr-Technologies, LLP, London, England
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: chaos on July 09, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
Try Kre-alkalyn creatine. Been using it for 6 weeks. I didn't use creatine for several years because I always looked smooth and watery on it. This stuff has put about 7 pounds on me, no loss of definition, great fullness and pumps. No water retention or stomach issues. I thought the ads were Bullshit, cause they all claim no side effects. The name of the version I used is Creatine Infusion (Kre-Alkalyn) from Sci-fit. Apparently altering the PH level of the creatine prevents the conversion to the byproducts that cause the sides. I am taking more than they suggest, but it won't mess with your stomach, and this is supposedly the only stable Liquid formula of creatine.
Sci-fit is the only brand that works for me.........I tried every type of creatine I could get my hands on, none of it worked until I tried the Sci-fit brand Kre-Alkalyn.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 09, 2008, 09:14:02 PM
Kre-Alkalyn is just plain old creatine monohydrate mixed with a buffer like bicarbonate. The reason for less sides is that you take less of it. I see absolutely no reason why it would cause less water retention than straight monohydrate, apart from the lower dosage.

And a study actually showed Kre-Alkalyn to be less stable in water than regular monohydrate.



Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) a “Buffered” creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.


Supported by Cr-Technologies, LLP, London, England


VB setting the smackdown once again  ;)


I wonder though, who paid for that study to be done  ;D
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on July 10, 2008, 02:39:24 AM
A just question!

these guys: http://www.cr-technologies.net/

basically a competitor, so you can flush that study down the loo.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Euro-monster on July 10, 2008, 04:35:37 AM
I'll seriously add ten pounds of water in 2 weeks.

Just do a d-bol only cycle and you will be just as happy ... ;)
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 10, 2008, 06:20:30 AM
Just do a d-bol only cycle and you will be just as happy ... ;)

eh, too scared to mess with PCT and my body's own test levels.  I'm 32 and still get a woody when Victoria Secret commercials come on.  I'm too scared to mess with that magic.  I talk to other guys my age who are on viagra or whatever due to test dropoffs or blood circulation issues... I fear that.

Day 3 of the creatine... I'm still one windy dude.  arms and shoulders popping though, I'm very happy.  Taking it with juice each time.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 10, 2008, 08:24:38 AM
Sci-fit is the only brand that works for me.........I tried every type of creatine I could get my hands on, none of it worked until I tried the Sci-fit brand Kre-Alkalyn.

Good stuff.
I don't really care what some studies claim. They can be manipulated. Being a former competitor and having trained for over 30 years seriously, I definitely know when something works. Even my girlfriend's been asking me if I'm on something. I just have a fuller look. 
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 09:05:41 AM
eh, too scared to mess with PCT and my body's own test levels.  I'm 32 and still get a woody when Victoria Secret commercials come on.  I'm too scared to mess with that magic.  I talk to other guys my age who are on viagra or whatever due to test dropoffs or blood circulation issues... I fear that.

Day 3 of the creatine... I'm still one windy dude.  arms and shoulders popping though, I'm very happy.  Taking it with juice each time.
go on hrt and your set
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 10, 2008, 09:07:31 AM
go on hrt and your set

no way.  I'd be on that for life.  No sense going ther until I need it. 
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: BayGBM on July 10, 2008, 09:08:09 AM
I haven't used creatine in almost a year.  Started it again this week.  Wow, it tears the belly up.  I forgot about this side effect.   :(

I thought this thread was going to be about roid bellies.  :-[
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 09:09:21 AM
id be gaining muscle for life!
:D
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Croatch on July 10, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
I heard good stuff aboul Kre-alkalyn. Nver tried it but I trust it more that Chinese lead enhanced ethyl-ester
This causes bloat 100%.  No difference from regular creatine monohydrate.  I've tried both.  Creabloat face through and through.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 10, 2008, 09:14:16 AM
no way.  I'd be on that for life.  No sense going ther until I need it. 
Yeah, I know several guys that are in their mid 20's, screwed up from overly long, high dose steroid cycles. Went through long periods of no libido,depression, no energy. Some will probably need HRT for the rest of their life. But..they can say they were once Big.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 09:16:19 AM
Yeah, I know several guys that are in their mid 20's, screwed up from overly long, high dose steroid cycles. Went through long periods of no libido,depression, no energy. Some will probably need HRT for the rest of their life. But..they can say they were once Big.
why do they say "once" they were big? why did they come off and get smal? why would they do high dosed cycles for long periods of time if they didnt plan on staying on and competing ?
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 10, 2008, 09:17:45 AM
This causes bloat 100%.  No difference from regular creatine monohydrate.  I've tried both.  Creabloat face through and through.
Really? I haven't seen that anywhere near like on regular creatine. Was it the Sci-fit or EFX brand, although that shouldn't make a big difference. I know  female fitness competitors on it that aren't bloating from it.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 10, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
why do they say "once" they were big? why did they come off and get smal? why would they do high dosed cycles for long periods of time if they didnt plan on staying on and competing ?
Half the guys in the gyms on juice never compete. How many shows have you been in?
 Do you ever plan on entering one?  You think people should stay on juice forever..and not worry about their altered HDL or LDL levels? Guess I'm more health conscious that most of these guys.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 10, 2008, 09:22:47 AM
Yeah, I know several guys that are in their mid 20's, screwed up from overly long, high dose steroid cycles. Went through long periods of no libido,depression, no energy. Some will probably need HRT for the rest of their life. But..they can say they were once Big.

yeah, that scares me.  I have clients and konw folks form the boards who juiced at 19, were legendary at 22, and having all sorts of issues by age 28.  Once you tell your body "I don't need the testes to produce test anymore" you can't jumpstart them.   They stay on until their receptors are shot, they take breaks when they absolutely have to.  And then their prostate blows up, they lose hair, and a shitload of other things.  The shot receptors are bad too... even small HRT doesn't work - they have to get the advanced stuff because the nut patch won't kick in for many of them.  

It's sad.  I admire the young users for their courage and drive to be superman so young... but they should definitely research where they'll be in ten years.  Cause for many, it ain't pretty once you alter hormone functions.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: swilkins1984 on July 10, 2008, 09:24:21 AM
AST makes a good micronized monohydrate and the bloat and upset stomach are almost gone.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: 240 is Back on July 10, 2008, 09:25:17 AM
why do they say "once" they were big? why did they come off and get smal? why would they do high dosed cycles for long periods of time if they didnt plan on staying on and competing ?

You be careful man.  I admire you for your drive, your politics, and your deep introspection, but I do worry about where you'll physically be in ten years.  Talk to guys that were insanely big at 20, when they're 30... many choose to 'size down', but the truth is that many have had scares, many can't afford HRT anymore, and many of them have a doc straight up tell them that test treatment is dangerous for whatever reason.

You're not invincible.  What's important at age 20 won't matter to you at all by the time you're 30.  Just looking out. peace.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: _bruce_ on July 10, 2008, 09:37:42 AM
Yeah, I know several guys that are in their mid 20's, screwed up from overly long, high dose steroid cycles. Went through long periods of no libido,depression, no energy. Some will probably need HRT for the rest of their life. But..they can say they were once Big.

Reminds me of some dudes I met in the gym.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Epic_Monster on July 10, 2008, 11:58:21 AM
I haven't used creatine in almost a year.  Started it again this week.  Wow, it tears the belly up.  I forgot about this side effect.   :(

Nice thread title! I was expecting to see gh guts!
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 12:07:57 PM
How many shows have you been in?
 Do you ever plan on entering one? 
i have never competed. i will compete if one day i feel that my body is stage worthy. too many fools eneter bodybuilding contests when they are NOT stage worthy. i wont be one of those.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 10, 2008, 12:55:17 PM
The shot receptors are bad too... even small HRT doesn't work - they have to get the advanced stuff because the nut patch won't kick in for many of them. 

That's false. Testosterone doesn't stop working. There's no reason that standard HRT won't make you feel normal, as normal as any hypogonadal person getting on HRT, if you have cycled steroids previously.
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 01:09:32 PM
That's false. Testosterone doesn't stop working. There's no reason that standard HRT won't make you feel normal, as normal as any hypogonadal person getting on HRT, if you have cycled steroids previously.
we will keep that as our litle secret, van.  ;D
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: sgt. d on July 10, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
You be careful man.  I admire you for your drive, your politics, and your deep introspection, but I do worry about where you'll physically be in ten years.  Talk to guys that were insanely big at 20, when they're 30... many choose to 'size down', but the truth is that many have had scares, many can't afford HRT anymore, and many of them have a doc straight up tell them that test treatment is dangerous for whatever reason.

You're not invincible.  What's important at age 20 won't matter to you at all by the time you're 30.  Just looking out. peace.

Candi doesnt do steroids but the meth will take him out quickly ;D
Title: Re: Bubble guts
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 01:14:57 PM
Candi doesnt do steroids but the meth will take him out quickly ;D
true, so very true