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the guy was 16 years old, I'm sure there is a reason why the US is holding teenagers and children in Guantanamo bay? ::)
This is the first time that an acutal movie of an actual Interrogation in Guantanamo Bay has been released.
Still trying to find the movie on Youtube
Documents made public last week show that Mr. Khadr was subjected to weeks of sleep deprivation by U.S. military officials before being interviewed by Canadian officials, and that the Canadians were aware of the sleep deprivation.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080715.w2khadr15/BNStory/International/home
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here's the movie
Move down further on that page and you see a longer one:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,tt2m1/ausland/artikel/528/185941/
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The US military in Guantanamo is nothing compared to other secret venues that they use. Guantanamo is a known prison but the CIA has many secret prisons around the world in which they do worse shit to these people. They are fucking animals dressed in military garb. Fucking degenerate uneducated americans join the military and are then given this power to do shit.
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The US military iN Guantanamo is nothing compared to other secret venues that they use. Guantanamo is a known prison but the CIA has many secret prisons around the world in which they do worst shit to these people. They are fucking animals dressed in military garb. Fucking degenerate uneducated americans join the military and are then given this power to do shit.
kid was 16 when they snatched him, man i wonder what it must feel like being locked up without knowing if you ever be released.
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I'm not saying the interigator is unfriendly at all, but the situation for a 16 year old must have been horrible.
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kid was 16 when they snatched him, man i wonder what it must feel like being locked up without knowing if you ever be released.
Bush passed a law a few years ago that went without any media attention but it allows them to imprison any American suspected of terrorism and allows them to torture your kids to get info out of you. This is a fact and a few stories emerged in horror that this law was allowed to pass but the congress were a bunch of spineless fucks ready to pass any law because they didn't want to get viewed negatively about 911
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the guy was 16 years old
So are a lot of the suicide bombers from Gaza who regularly murder civilians in Israeli cities. So were most of the soldiers throughout history prior to the 20th century. A 16-year-old with a Kalashnikov and training can kill you just as dead as a 25-year-old can.
Just because we in the west consider 16-year-olds children in our society, that doesn't mean they are worldwide. These muslim fucks aren't "kids" listening to pop music and going to proms, they're hardened killers, period.
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you stupid idiot, he's a 16 year old that wants to and will if he ever gets the chance blow up innocent people
you think they just picked him u cause he was shopping at a sports store, you dumbass?
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who cares, he's a terrorist.
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this peice of shit tossed a granade at a US convoy.
too bad thats all that happened to him.
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the guy was 16 years old, I'm sure there is a reason why the US is holding teenagers and children in Guantanamo bay? ::)
This is the first time that an acutal movie of an actual Interrogation in Guantanamo Bay has been released.
Still trying to find the movie on Youtube
Documents made public last week show that Mr. Khadr was subjected to weeks of sleep deprivation by U.S. military officials before being interviewed by Canadian officials, and that the Canadians were aware of the sleep deprivation.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080715.w2khadr15/BNStory/International/home
Yes, because 16 year olds can be terrorists too?
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they were also giving him a hamburger, and he did that crap, awesome video for the attorney to release.
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So are a lot of the suicide bombers from Gaza who regularly murder civilians in Israeli cities. So were most of the soldiers throughout history prior to the 20th century. A 16-year-old with a Kalashnikov and training can kill you just as dead as a 25-year-old can.
Just because we in the west consider 16-year-olds children in our society, that doesn't mean they are worldwide. These muslim fucks aren't "kids" listening to pop music and going to proms, they're hardened killers, period.
You can see that all over europe...
12 year olds killing and robbing all over town. :'( :'( :'(
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fucck that Canada skickens me. Just couse hes a Canadian citizen were fighting tooth and nail to get this scumbag out of therre and into canada. This animal should have been put down a long time ago, like a fuckin rabid dog.
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So are a lot of the suicide bombers from Gaza who regularly murder civilians in Israeli cities. So were most of the soldiers throughout history prior to the 20th century. A 16-year-old with a Kalashnikov and training can kill you just as dead as a 25-year-old can.
Just because we in the west consider 16-year-olds children in our society, that doesn't mean they are worldwide. These muslim fucks aren't "kids" listening to pop music and going to proms, they're hardened killers, period.
Spot on. The CIA and the Guantanamo bay interogators should be able to really push it when the aim is to catch terrorists. Using tough methods to get important information out of a 16 year old muslim lunatic, information that can save hundreds of lives, should be allowed.
When fighting in a war, a soldier will kill another soldier that tries to kill him, regardless of age. There is no reason to threat an enemy captive ready to kill with silk glows, because war is a different ballgame than civil life.
If it were up to Debussey, these captives should be taken to top secret facilities around the world and get exposed to every experimental and non experimental interrogation technique possible to get as much info out of them as possible, no matter what.
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did the kid train at a golds gym over there i assume this is body building related nico
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did the kid train at a golds gym over there i assume this is body building related nico
shut your face convict
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Yes, because 16 year olds can be terrorists too?
statistically, a gigantic number of gitmo detainees have been totally innocent, and almost none have actually been charged with anything.
what happened is the military pays afghani and iraqi shady characters if they turn over terrorists, so they pose as police, pick up random people off the streets, and pass them over to the united states, collect their reward, and thanks to the prisoners having neither habeas corpus nor the right to see what evidence is against them, they get stuck.
think about how that works. once you're IN custody, there is quite literally no way to get out. you can't challenge your imprisonment, you'll never see why you're there, and chances are you'll never get charged or even brought to a trial. you just... wait.
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statistically, a gigantic number of gitmo detainees have been totally innocent, and almost none have actually been charged with anything.
I guess that explains why the terroist they release end up being picked up again by US soldiers or blowing themselves and innocents up.
Thanks for the clarification, and factual evidence ::) I guess your in the know when it comes to terror organizations and those at gitmo ::)
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statistically, a gigantic number of gitmo detainees have been totally innocent, and almost none have actually been charged with anything.
what happened is the military pays afghani and iraqi shady characters if they turn over terrorists, so they pose as police, pick up random people off the streets, and pass them over to the united states, collect their reward, and thanks to the prisoners having neither habeas corpus nor the right to see what evidence is against them, they get stuck.
think about how that works. once you're IN custody, there is quite literally no way to get out. you can't challenge your imprisonment, you'll never see why you're there, and chances are you'll never get charged or even brought to a trial. you just... wait.
STATISTICALLY THEY GOT OFF ON TECHNICALITIES. This twat was picked up during a firefight in which he tossed a granade at a US medic. I support torture in this instance, also when stark is involved.
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I guess that explains why the terroist they release end up being picked up again by US soldiers or blowing themselves and innocents up.
STATISTICALLY THEY GOT OFF ON TECHNICALITIES. This twat was picked up during a firefight in which he tossed a granade at a US medic. I support torture in this instance, also when stark is involved.
unfortunately this has never happened.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/21/gitmo-report-scalia/
Among the report’s conclusions:
– According to the Department of Defense’s published and unpublished data and reports, not a single released Guantánamo detainee has ever attacked any Americans.
– Despite national security concerns, the Department of Defense does not have a system for tracking the conduct or even the whereabouts of released detainees.
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unfortunately this has never happened.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/21/gitmo-report-scalia/
Among the report’s conclusions:
– According to the Department of Defense’s published and unpublished data and reports, not a single released Guantánamo detainee has ever attacked any Americans.
– Despite national security concerns, the Department of Defense does not have a system for tracking the conduct or even the whereabouts of released detainees.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Kuwaiti man released from U.S. custody at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in 2005 blew himself up in a suicide attack in Iraq last month, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.
Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi was one of two Kuwaitis who took part in a suicide attack in Mosul on April 26, the officials said. Records show that an attack in Mosul that day targeted an Iraqi police patrol and left six people dead, including two police officers.
An announcement on a jihadist Web site earlier this month declared that al-Ajmi was one of the "heroes" who carried out the Mosul operation. A second man from Kuwait also took part in the suicide attack, the Web site said.
Pentagon officials who had been keeping track of al-Ajmi said they were aware he had left Kuwait for Syria, a launching ground for terrorists into Iraq.
A video posted on various jihadist Web sites shows a number of images of al-Ajmi, followed by text reading, "May God have mercy on you Abdullah al-Ajmi. I send you a warm greeting O you martyr, O you hero, O you, a man in a time where only few men are left."
U.S. military records of Guantanamo detainees indicate that a man with the same name and nationality was held at the Cuban prison.
Those records said al-Ajmi, 29, was picked up in Afghanistan as he tried to enter Pakistan after the 2001 U.S. invasion. He claimed to have fought for the Taliban, the records show, and said he fought in a number of battles against the Northern Alliance. Watch a firefight in Afghanistan »
Though he was never charged with any crime, al-Ajmi was held at Guantanamo through 2005. Military documents show he later claimed that his statements about fighting for the Taliban were made after he was threatened while in U.S. custody. He asserted that he was in Afghanistan to study the Quran.
Al-Ajmi was transferred to the custody of Kuwaiti authorities in November 2005, with four other Kuwaitis, and was released after a trial there, according to Pentagon officials.
Al-Ajmi is not the first former Guantanamo detainee to reportedly return to the battlefield after being released. Pentagon officials say there are more than 10 people once held by the U.S. at Guantanamo who have been killed or captured in fighting after being released from the detention facility.
"Our reports indicate that a number of former [Guantanamo Bay] detainees have taken part in anti-coalition militant activities after leaving U.S. detention. Some have subsequently been killed in combat," said Cmdr. Jeff Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.
Documents provided by the Pentagon show other former detainees returning to the battlefield, including Abdullah Mahsud, who was released from Guantanamo in 2004. He returned to Afghanistan, where he became a militant leader in the Mahsud tribe in southern Waziristan, the documents said.
"We have since discovered that he had been associated with the Taliban since his teen years and has been described as an al Qaeda-linked facilitator.
"In mid-October 2004, Mahsud directed the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan. During rescue operations by Pakistani forces, a kidnapper shot one of the hostages. Five of the kidnappers were killed. Mahsud was not among them," the documents provided by the Pentagon said.
"As these facts illustrate, there is an implied future risk to U.S. and allied interests with every detainee who is released or transferred from Guantanamo," Gordon said.
Reports of former detainees returning to the battlefield show they are dedicated to their cause and have been trained to be deceptive, the Pentagon officials said, but such factors will not prevent the release of other detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Of the more than 500 detainees released from Guantanamo since the detention camp was opened in 2002, 38 have been stripped of their "enemy combatant" status and determined to pose no future threat to the United States. The remaining 462 were repatriated to home countries or resettled to third-party countries and still considered a threat, Pentagon records show.
Some countries have since released those detainees back into the public, according to various reports.
The United States is still holding about 65 detainees scheduled to be released to their home governments. But before that can happen, the United States has to get assurances the detainees will not be persecuted or harmed when they arrive home, Pentagon officials have said.
"We have no desire to be the world's jailer, which is why the 500 were allowed to depart," Gordon said.
There are about 270 detainees still held at the U.S. prison camp in Cuba.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/07/gitmo.bomber/index.html
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so we've got ONE, and even that's not conclusive according to the article itself (saying just that they had the same name and nationality).
although the interesting part is... there was no evidence he'd ever done anything before, he only "confessed" after severe interrogation, and then (supposing this is accurate), he attacks.
what's the lesson? well obviously, after we imprison innocent people, we can't let them go or, after all the shit they went through at our hands, they're gonna be mighty pissed off.
yep, great point. well done, BF. of course, since you're so hilariously anti-arab i'm pretty sure you'd link to an article of an Iraqi who spent 10 years being beaten with metal poles in custody who then shot the guy who beat him as proof that "muslims are savages". ::)
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so we've got ONE, and even that's not conclusive according to the article itself (saying just that they had the same name and nationality).
although the interesting part is... there was no evidence he'd ever done anything before, he only "confessed" after severe interrogation, and then (supposing this is accurate), he attacks.
what's the lesson? well obviously, after we imprison innocent people, we can't let them go or, after all the shit they went through at our hands, they're gonna be mighty pissed off.
yep, great point. well done, BF. of course, since you're so hilariously anti-arab i'm pretty sure you'd link to an article of an Iraqi who spent 10 years being beaten with metal poles in custody who then shot the guy who beat him as proof that "muslims are savages". ::)
First off, this guy was a Kuwaiti who deserted the Kuwait army to fight in his imaginary Jihad. He was picked up and ended up being released. So instead of venting on Americans, he decided to blow up a bunch of Iraqi police officers. And if you bothered to read the article, they've picked up or killed more than just ONE guy. Now you're going to tell me that none of these other guys that were released out there aren't going right back into the fight? I'm sure they've caught every guy who was in Gitmo and is back fighting!! Yeah, that's believable....if you're a retard. ::)
And it may be accurate that he attacked after but it's 100% accurate that he admitted to being a terrorist only after interrogation? Great logic. ::)
This kid is a murderer and his family has Al Qaeda ties. He's crying now but I'm sure he wasn't too upset as he lobbed that grenade that killed a US special forces member in Afghanistan.
Someone should post a video of Muslim interrogation tactics. Usually involves beating, maybe dismemberment and eventual beheading while the victim is still alive.
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so we've got ONE, and even that's not conclusive according to the article itself (saying just that they had the same name and nationality).
although the interesting part is... there was no evidence he'd ever done anything before, he only "confessed" after severe interrogation, and then (supposing this is accurate), he attacks.
what's the lesson? well obviously, after we imprison innocent people, we can't let them go or, after all the shit they went through at our hands, they're gonna be mighty pissed off.
yep, great point. well done, BF. of course, since you're so hilariously anti-arab i'm pretty sure you'd link to an article of an Iraqi who spent 10 years being beaten with metal poles in custody who then shot the guy who beat him as proof that "muslims are savages". ::)
fucken ay. Their scum, just couse they havnt commited any suicide bombings doesnt make them any better.
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fucken ay. Their scum, just couse they havnt commited any suicide bombings doesnt make them any better.
so by your logic we should detain any arab?
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so by your logic we should detain any arab?
it would be best for all concerned. It would prevent them from killing us and each other.
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shut your face convict
wow you thought that up on your own pretty impressive cracker
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so by your logic we should detain any arab?
nico should be detained
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nico should be detained
Hey Sean, how is this "gimmick" account coming along???
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Hey Sean, how is this "gimmick" account coming along???
my favorite stlaker here again
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my favorite stlaker here again
Learn how to sepll Sean ::)
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Learn how to sepll Sean ::)
did it so you would compalin
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did it so you would compalin
I wont "compalin" Sean!!!
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I wont "compalin" Sean!!!
i assume you think i am a sean ? im confused and your stupid so i dont think i will ever figure this out
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wow you thought that up on your own pretty impressive cracker
I thought we were cracking down on racism on these boards? Doesn't cracker qualify?
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JOHNNY VEGAS is a nobody, with 20 inch guns which you can see if you decide to go out of your way and go to california, because hes too retarded to post a pic.
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I thought we were cracking down on racism on these boards? Doesn't cracker qualify?
whats the matter with you. racism can only be perpetuated by the white man, as long as youre not white you can shit on anyone thats different.
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wow you thought that up on your own pretty impressive cracker
racist, I have just reported you to Ron, I think we need to give you some timeout
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racist, I have just reported you to Ron, I think we need to give you some timeout
funny you called me the n word and dont get timeout wow how impressive call ron and go rat out all juicers that is what you do anyway
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I thought we were cracking down on racism on these boards? Doesn't cracker qualify?
already told Ron about it he's thinking about putting him into time out
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funny you called me the n word and dont get timeout wow how impressive call ron and go rat out all juicers that is what you do anyway
I don't think negro qualifies for the "N" word ::)
it's always the same with you guys, you are soooo fucking quick calling every white dude or as you have said so politly "cracker" a racist, but
the true racist I have meet in my life were all friggen black.
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I don't think negro qualifies for the "N" word ::)
it's always the same with you guys, you are soooo fucking quick calling every racist or as you have said so politly "cracker" a racist, but
the true racist I have meet in my life were all friggen black.
post reported thanks for helping timeout here you go
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post reported thanks for helping timeout here you go
oh god I'm going back into the ignore mode, you are too fucking stupid and uneducated, should have known ::)
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oh god I'm going back into the ignore mode, you are too fucking stupid and uneducated, should have known ::)
you are my bitch ha ha ha ron get nico a tissue
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you are my bitch ha ha ha ron get nico a tissue
that's right i cannot believe people that are still eating at McDonalds, what 20 years haven't showed you that the food at MCDonalds is shit?
LOOOOOOL some people :D :D :D
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the guy was 16 years old, I'm sure there is a reason why the US is holding teenagers and children in Guantanamo bay? ::)
This little fu*ker killed an American soldier and his family has ties to al Qaeda.
This little guy should be hanged.
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This little fu*ker killed an American soldier and his family has ties to al Qaeda.
This little #### should be hanged.
eh? Where do you have that info from?
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eh? Where do you have that info from?
www.cnn.com
I believe we should nuke that entire region.
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www.cnn.com
I believe we should nuke that entire region.
I cannot see that on CNN... please point me to the news post were they make such accusations.
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I guess that explains why the terroist they release end up being picked up again by US soldiers or blowing themselves and innocents up.
Thanks for the clarification, and factual evidence ::) I guess your in the know when it comes to terror organizations and those at gitmo ::)
I would think that if you were detained for no reason and then eventually let go... you may get a little crazy and decide to START offing people.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting rid of terrorists, but to not give anyone an appeal or an ability to explain their case and be released is just wrong.
We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than this.
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I cannot see that on CNN... please point me to the news post were they make such accusations.
It's on the front page. How can you not see it? ::)
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I would think that if you were detained for no reason and then eventually let go... you may get a little crazy and decide to START offing people.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting rid of terrorists, but to not give anyone an appeal or an ability to explain their case and be released is just wrong.
We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than this.
You mean giving a non US citizen (terrorist) the same rights under the United States constitution as an American ::)
2 Harvard law professors have already came out and stated that this will and could release these terrorists into the United States, hope they land in your yard not mine.
A higher standard ???
Shocking, I don't remember the last time a US soldier strapped explosives around his body and blew up a market of 50 people.
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It's on the front page. How can you not see it? ::)
no it says accused of killing an American soldier. there is a difference, for all I know anybody can be accusted of anything
with the difference they cannot hold you or me indefinitely in prison without proper prove.
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But at least they have Bin Laden's limo driver. ;D ;D ;D
I guess we're still looking for his shoe cobbler.
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You mean giving a non US citizen (terrorist) the same rights under the United States constitution as an American ::)
2 Harvard law professors have already came out and stated that this will and could release these terrorists into the United States, hope they land in your yard not mine.
A higher standard ???
Shocking, I don't remember the last time a US soldier strapped explosives around his body and blew up a market of 50 people.
oh because there is such a vast difference between that and JDAM in a busy residential area right?
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You mean giving a non US citizen (terrorist) the same rights under the United States constitution as an American ::)
2 Harvard law professors have already came out and stated that this will and could release these terrorists into the United States, hope they land in your yard not mine.
A higher standard ???
Shocking, I don't remember the last time a US soldier strapped explosives around his body and blew up a market of 50 people.
I don't believe that just because they're not US citizens means that they should be treated differently.
Didn't we go to Iraq to bring democracy and freedom?
Shouldn't we practice what we preach? Do you not see the epic irony in how we are operating this war?
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you stupid idiot, he's a 16 year old that wants to and will if he ever gets the chance blow up innocent people
you think they just picked him u cause he was shopping at a sports store, you dumbass?
And you're sure of that how?
Dumbfuck.
And it's been documented that many innocent people have been held captive for periods longer than a year without trail. Will you repay them for the period of time they lost?
This country is going down the gutter slowly.
You mean giving a non US citizen (terrorist) the same rights under the United States constitution as an American
2 Harvard law professors have already came out and stated that this will and could release these terrorists into the United States, hope they land in your yard not mine.
A higher standard
Shocking, I don't remember the last time a US soldier strapped explosives around his body and blew up a market of 50 people.
Many have been kidnapped from their native countries, cock sucker. Thanks to their period of captivity they'll go off and join some durkas that want to kill everyone.
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oh because there is such a vast difference between that and JDAM in a busy residential area right?
;D ;D
I know. But dropping napalm from a stealth bomber at 50,000 ft at midnight is brave and courageous.
It's pretty simple; in the war on terror, the US is Nazi Germany and the rest of the world is a weak little jew and we are torturing and killing as many as we can. We're a school yard bully, nothing more.
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;D ;D
I know. But dropping napalm from a stealth bomber at 50,000 ft at midnight is brave and courageous.
and a lot more fun for our nintendo pilots ::)
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no it says accused of killing an American soldier. there is a difference, for all I know anybody can be accusted of anything
with the difference they cannot hold you or me indefinitely in prison without proper prove.
Tell that to the dead soldiers family.
They have enough proof to take him to trial.
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I don't believe that just because they're not US citizens means that they should be treated differently.
They should
Didn't we go to Iraq to bring democracy and freedom?
Saving lives is freedom
Shouldn't we practice what we preach? Do you not see the epic irony in how we are operating this war?
Look at other wars that we have sucesfully won, and that sounds stupid. We invented and used the Blitzkrieg technique (Britain Aviator school), and used it against the axis powers killing 32 million civilians, but we ended the war.
Epic misunderstanding of how to win and operate a war, since it is fought with guns not hugs and flowers.
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Tell that to the dead soldiers family.
no problem I'm sure if they are rational thinking people they understand that simply because somebody is accused doesn't mean he
has to be person that killed him.
And I don't cry for soldiers ;) they signed up and new what they were doing, I did when I signed up and all the others did the same.
No sympathy what so ever, it's part of the profession.
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Tell that to the dead soldiers family.
I'd definitely be about showing that the person who did it... DID IT... then stringing his ass up.
Be certain and decisive about the punishment... prove it and take care of him. That's how you help his family.
Try him in a real court... prove it beyond a reasonable doubt then give the family the closer they need to believe he didn't lose his life in vain.
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Tell that to the dead soldiers family.
No, tell them their boy tried to play Gi-Joe and payed the price.
I'm fucking sick of people acting like its every american's obligation to support the war and soliders. And besides anyon who really supports the soliders would want the war to end and for the them to come home. Infact, the soliders feel the very same. They sent more donations to Ron Paul than to any other candidate. nuff said!
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I'm starting to think "Nico" is a little terrorist from the middle east.
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I'd definitely be about showing that the person who did it... DID IT... then stringing his ass up.
Be certain and decisive about the punishment... prove it and take care of him. That's how you help his family.
Try him in a real court... prove it beyond a reasonable doubt then give the family the closer they need to believe he didn't lose his life in vain.
So would you do the same to the US soldiers that killed the families "accidentally" (lol) in Iraq on many occasions?
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Epic inability to quote properly.
Anyway... This is not about hugs... It's about proving that person did in fact commit a crime... Unless the truth means that little to you.
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I'm starting to think "Nico" is a little terrorist from the middle east.
ahhhhh running out of argument ;) you neoconservatives are generally speaking weak minded and not too clever to beginn with
tata
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Adolescents are very dangerous when they take up a cause. The high testosterone, immaturity, natural passion and their tendency to see things in an all or nothing dichotomy, which is typical of their age, makes them the prime candidates for recrutiment by terrorist organizations. There are tons of male adolescents who are extremely angry and upset at the World and are just waiting for a charismatic leader to give them a cause to kill and die for.
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And you're sure of that how?
Dumbfuck.
And it's been documented that many innocent people have been held captive for periods longer than a year without trail. Will you repay them for the period of time they lost?
This country is going down the gutter slowly.
Many have been kidnapped from their native countries, cock sucker. Thanks to their period of captivity they'll go off and join some durkas that want to kill everyone.
Proof positive the US intel agencies have more information than you, Camel.
Then why don't you move out?
Yeah and those innocent people have been released, this video is 5 years old.
People like you should give up things for their countries, not American soldiers.
Pakistani Taliban leader refuses to be taken alive
Tue Jul 24
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A Pakistani Taliban leader blew himself up to avoid arrest by government forces near the Afghan border on Tuesday, three years after his release from U.S. detention in Guantanamo Bay, officials said.
Abdullah Mehsud, 31, spent over 2 years in Guantanamo.
Shortly after his release in March 2004, Mehsud shot to prominence by kidnapping two Chinese engineers working in South Waziristan, a region known as a hotbed of support for al Qaeda and the Taliban.
“He was killed in a house in Zhob,” Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema said, referring to a district of southwest Baluchistan province neighboring Waziristan.
A counter-terrorism squad acting on a tip-off raided the house belonging to a senior official from the pro-Taliban Islamist party of Fazal-ur-Rehman, leader of the opposition in the National Assembly.
“We asked them to surrender but they opened fire,” Mira Jan, the chief administrator for Zhob, told Reuters.
“The shooting lasted for about half an hour and then we heard a blast from inside the house.”
Mehsud blew himself to avoid arrest, Jan said. Four other men were arrested.
Mehsud, who lost a leg in a landmine explosion a few days before the Taliban took Kabul in September 1996, was second-in-command of a Pakistani Taliban group headed by Baitullah Mehsud…
One supposes Mr. Mehsud just couldn’t face another meal of honey-glazed chicken and rice pilaf.
Surely this story will be a lesson to all of those who want to release the rest of the terrorists still held in Guantanamo.
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So would you do the same to the US soldiers that killed the families "accidentally" (lol) in Iraq on many occasions?
Yes... Prove a crime and sentence them for that crime.
If it is truly accidental, then that will come out as well.
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Proof positive the US intel agencies have more information than you, Camel.
Mehsud blew himself to avoid arrest, Jan said. Four other men were arrested.
Mehsud, who lost a leg in a landmine explosion a few days before the Taliban took Kabul in September 1996, was second-in-command of a Pakistani Taliban group headed by Baitullah Mehsud…
One supposes Mr. Mehsud just couldn’t face another meal of honey-glazed chicken and rice pilaf.
Surely this story will be a lesson to all of those who want to release the rest of the terrorists still held in Guantanamo.
hahaha he was bendy fucker must have ran out of the house when the law enforcement agents LOLed because he blew himself.
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Yes... Prove a crime and sentence them for that crime.
If it is truly accidental, then that will come out as well.
ahhh but by what court ;) Iraqy or US? ;)
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ahhh but by what court ;) Iraqy or US? ;)
How about a tribunal of both?
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Epic inability to quote properly.
Anyway... This is not about hugs... It's about proving that person did in fact commit a crime... Unless the truth means that little to you.
epic inablity to read bold.
Giving civilian trials to enemy combatants is a bad idea. At least the executive branch gets to decide the punishment and where to put the criminal after the trial, and the place will be far worse off than club gitmo.
How about a tribunal of both?
Do you want to give them a blowjob as well?
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How about a tribunal of both?
would be nice, in a nice and just world ;)
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To all of you defending this terrorist.
These fuckers killed 4000 innocent American civilians in 2001. We are in a war, have you forgotten this?
We are trying to do everything we can to find and punish the people behind the attacks.
They have enough evidence on this little f*cker to take him to trial for murdering an American soldier.
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I'm not saying they're all innocent, infact most aren't. I just think that the process of them being detained should be a little more formal. And how should the innocent people who were detained get their lives back on track? Hear of a Canadian attorney of Syrian origin who was held in a CIA sercet prison for like 8 months? Why don't you go and look that up?
And this all goes back to the Iraq war. These idiots would be fucking themselves up if it weren't for the US invading Iraq to build bases around Iran and have closer strike distance to India and China.
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So would you do the same to the US soldiers that killed the families "accidentally" (lol) in Iraq on many occasions?
We didn't start this war.
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epic inablity to read bold.
Giving civilian trials to enemy combatants is a bad idea. At least the executive branch gets to decide the punishment and where to put the criminal after the trial, and the place will be far worse off than club gitmo.
Do you want to give them a blowjob as well?
You mean a POW right? cuz that;s what they are right? POW, this is another shit attempt by the Government to obscure a word
We all know soldiers being caputred as Prisoners of War, direct language, now we call them enemy combatents, it's bullshit they fought in their land on their terms at an engaging army, they are POW's
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To all of you defending this terrorist.
These fuckers killed 4000 innocent American civilians in 2001. We are in a war, have you forgotten this?
We are trying to do everything we can to find and punish the people behind the attacks.
They have enough evidence on this little f*cker to take him to trial for murdering an American soldier.
No, we're not doing shit to catch the people who did it. We're buttbuddies with the largest terrorist financier Saudia Arabia. We're building bases all over the Middle East and climbing more and more in debt.
What a way to pay tribute to those losts in the Pentagon and Trade Center attacks ::)
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We didn't start this war.
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To all of you defending this terrorist.
These fuckers killed 4000 innocent American civilians in 2001. We are in a war, have you forgotten this?
We are trying to do everything we can to find and punish the people behind the attacks.
They have enough evidence on this little f*cker to take him to trial for murdering an American soldier.
That's the point dude... I'm not trying to defend a dude who's committed murder.
If they have the evidence, then they can prove it and do whatever the hell they want to with his dead body as far as I'm concerned.
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No, we're not doing shit to catch the people who did it. We're buttbuddies with the largest terrorist financier Saudia Arabia. We're building bases all over the Middle East and climbing more and more in debt.
What a way to pay tribute to those losts in the Pentagon and Trade Center attacks ::)
no a very small group (at that time at least) killed over 4k people for the US killed Millions to catch them ::) and since when is the US
Government at war with children?
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We didn't start this war.
Well, we kinda did in Iraq to be honest... We should have stayed in Afghanistan and finished up with Bin Laden and his cohorts before we rolled into Iraq.
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We didn't start this war.
You're really dumb.
If the US were to stop giving out US tax payer money to Israel and were to leave and abolist its bases in the Middle East this whol terrorist business wouldn't be an issue.
The US has done more to fuel Islamic terrorism than all the durka mullahs and imams put together
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You're really dumb.
If the US were to stop giving out US tax payer money to Israel and were to leave and abolist its bases in the Middle East this whol terrorist business wouldn't be an issue.
The US has done more to fuel Islamic terrorism than all the durka mullahs and imams put together
hahah Germany didn't start the war either, that whole WW2 would have never happend if the Polish wouldn't have attacked us hahahah
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epic inablity to read bold.
Giving civilian trials to enemy combatants is a bad idea. At least the executive branch gets to decide the punishment and where to put the criminal after the trial, and the place will be far worse off than club gitmo.
Do you want to give them a blowjob as well?
So because I would like to treat people with fairness and prove crimes, I'm gay now.
What a big brain you have there.
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hahah Germany didn't start the war either, that whole WW2 would have never happend if the Polish wouldn't have attacked us hahahah
No, and no. The French are responsible for starting WWII by hitting Germany with all of the costs of WWI.
The fucked Germany up to the point where Hitler's ideas started gaining power.
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No, and no. The French are responsible for start WWII by hitting Germany with all of the costs of WWI.
The fucked Germany up to the point where Hitler's ideas started gaining power.
yep thanks 8)
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To all of you defending this terrorist.
These fuckers killed 4000 innocent American civilians in 2001. We are in a war, have you forgotten this?
We are trying to do everything we can to find and punish the people behind the attacks.
They have enough evidence on this little f*cker to take him to trial for murdering an American soldier.
Let me guess, Iraq had nuclear weapons too.
Think for yourself man. Really.
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You mean a POW right? cuz that;s what they are right? POW
No, these are enemy combatants, not POWs they do not fall under the Geneva Convention.
People like Tu Holmes an ACLU and human rights activist, love to knock down this "re-wording" since we had to change the convention articles to suit such vile world criminals in order to not give them rights under the constitution, instead they go before a tribunal, and special orders are give with release to information since this is an ongoing war effort.
You're really dumb.
If the US were to stop giving out US tax payer money to Israel and were to leave and abolist its bases in the Middle East this whol terrorist business wouldn't be an issue.
The US has done more to fuel Islamic terrorism than all the durka mullahs and imams put together
No empirical evidence to support those claims, at all.
The united states has every world right to occupy and land lease those US bases since they have contracts to export X amount of supplies to that country or to contribute loans to those countries and or build certain infrastructures such as dams or energy plants.
United states does not and will not do what the middle east muslim extremists think the US should do, they should perish, why don't they?
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no a very small group (at that time at least) killed over 4k people for the US killed Millions to catch them ::) and since when is the US
Government at war with children?
You are very young. ;)
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Good God somebody throw Bluto a cookie quickly ;D
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So youandme and is agreeing that the US should continue to do business with the world's largest terrorist financier(Saudia Arabia). Even though he didn't directly state it, he is pretty much implying it.
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No, these are enemy combatants, not POWs they do not fall under the Geneva Convention.
People like Tu Holmes an ACLU and human rights activist, love to knock down this "re-wording" since we had to change the convention articles to suit such vile world criminals in order to not give them rights under the constitution, instead they go before a tribunal, and special orders are give with release to information since this is an ongoing war effort.
Funny... Last I looked I wasn't a member of the ACLU.
People like Tu Holmes just believe that every human should have the basic rights of due process as they're being held by a country whose very basic legal premise is designed around those principles.
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No, these are enemy combatants, not POWs they do not fall under the Geneva Convention.
People like Tu Holmes an ACLU and human rights activist, love to knock down this "re-wording" since we had to change the convention articles to suit such vile world criminals in order to not give them rights under the constitution, instead they go before a tribunal, and special orders are give with release to information since this is an ongoing war effort.
so simply because the Government decided to change the name for soliders caught in a combat situation they have no rights?
Sound pretty convenient too me :D
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I'm gay now.
You said it not me.
So youandme and is agreeing that the US should continue to do business with the world's largest terrorist financier(Saudia Arabia). Even though he didn't directly state it, he is pretty much implying it.
Where is this evidence coming from?
People like Tu Holmes just believe that every human should have the basic rights of due process as they're being held by a country whose very basic legal premise is designed around those principles.
No, a country who's executive branch has one job, "to protect the citizens"
Not cater democracy to illegal combatants.
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You said it not me.
Where is this evidence coming from?
No, a country who's executive branch has one job, "to protect the citizens"
Not cater democracy to illegal combatants.
I can also say you're obviously a dunce... Guess that's true too then.
Protect the citizens? What a convenient statement.
From the US Department of state:
The executive branch of the Government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land. When George Washington was president, people recognized that one person could not carry out the duties of the President without advice and assistance. The Vice President, department heads (Cabinet members), and heads of independent agencies assist in this capacity. Unlike the powers of the President, their responsibilities are not defined in the Constitution but each has special powers and functions.
* President: Leader of the country and Commander in Chief of the military.
* Vice President: President of the Senate and becomes President if the President is unable to serve.
* Departments: Department heads advise the President on policy issues and help execute those policies.
* Independent Agencies: Help execute policy or provide special services.
It's responsible for enforcing the LAWS OF THE LAND.
Due process is the "law of the land" is it not?
So I should believe you over the State department?
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That punk has to stop crying and man the fuck up! :'(
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A few things have been overstated and others haven't been mentioned at all-
First- Regardless of your opinion of US foreign policy, do you really believe this individual was just an innocent bystander randomly selected for interogation? Perhaps was he vacationing with his family when he was suddenly detained by the military? Even the most left slanted people on this website can't be serious when they proclaim this prisoner is some innocent teenager.
Secondly To Tu Holmes- Without getting into a silly argument with you, what you just posted from the "US Department of State" clearly disproves rather than proves your point. Due Process was not intended, nor should it be designated for non- enemy combatants. It was not until very recently where the Supreme Court by some miracle decided that by proxy Guantanamo Bay is considered part of US soil ( even though there is nothing there but a military base) and therefore via that loophole the court trampled more than half a century of precedent and gave non enemy combatants the right to file for habeas corpus. This old video was shot years before the courts mind numbing decision was handed down, so there is absolutely nothing illegal about the interogation. Also, what exactly do you think we should do in interogations? Ask nicely? Share some fallafel with them? Beat up some women for driving? Perhaps that would make them feel more comfortable.
The conditions most of these enemy combtants come from make Guanatanamo look like Wynn Hotel in Las Vegas which is why in order to extract information, certain brutal methods need to be employed. Although, it should also be mentioned even though its obvious, our forms of "torture" are a joke to these people. They are bootsstrapping to the anti american leftists in this country to wiggle their way out of detention, plain and simple.
In addition, regardless of where you recieved that information the Judiciary is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land and the legislature ( IE Congress and the Senate) is responsible for passing the laws of the land. The President with his power as commander and Chief has clashed with Congress over the Patriot Act, Guantanamo and numerous other post 911 policies where his responsibility as commander and chief has come into direct conflict with Congresses power to legislate. We are at war. The President is commander and chief. Congress hasn't authorized military action since WW2. Whether or not you agree with Bush is immaterial. One thing is certain. I feel much safer with a government being PROactive as opposed to REactive when it comes to national security.
Lastly, for all of you whining about due process, let me ask you this- Do you think an enemy combatant detained in Afghanistan who kills, maims, or beheads a US soldier and is brought to Guantanamo for interogation deserves to fall within the US constitutions due process protections that say, you should be entitled to? If your answer is yes, please explain the logic behind such a ridiculous idea.
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A few things have been overstated and others haven't been mentioned at all-
First- Regardless of your opinion of US foreign policy, do you really believe this individual was just an innocent bystander randomly selected for interogation? Perhaps was he vacationing with his family when he was suddenly detained by the military? Even the most left slanted people on this website can't be serious when they proclaim this prisoner is some innocent teenager.
Secondly To Tu Holmes- Without getting into a silly argument with you, what you just posted from the "US Department of State" clearly disproves rather than proves your point. Due Process was not intended, nor should it be designated for non- enemy combatants. It was not until very recently where the Supreme Court by some miracle decided that by proxy Guantanamo Bay is considered part of US soil ( even though there is nothing there but a military base) and therefore via that loophole the court trampled more than half a century of precedent and gave non enemy combatants the right to file for habeas corpus. This old video was shot years before the courts mind numbing decision was handed down, so there is absolutely nothing illegal about the interogation. Also, what exactly do you think we should do in interogations? Ask nicely? Share some fallafel with them? Beat up some women for driving? Perhaps that would make them feel more comfortable.
The conditions most of these enemy combtants come from make Guanatanamo look like Wynn Hotel in Las Vegas which is why in order to extract information, certain brutal methods need to be employed. Although, it should also be mentioned even though its obvious, our forms of "torture" are a joke to these people. They are bootsstrapping to the anti american leftists in this country to wiggle their way out of detention, plain and simple.
In addition, regardless of where you recieved that information the Judiciary is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land and the legislature ( IE Congress and the Senate) is responsible for passing the laws of the land. The President with his power as commander and Chief has clashed with Congress over the Patriot Act, Guantanamo and numerous other post 911 policies where his responsibility as commander and chief has come into direct conflict with Congresses power to legislate. We are at war. The President is commander and chief. Congress hasn't authorized military action since WW2. Whether or not you agree with Bush is immaterial. One thing is certain. I feel much safer with a government being PROactive as opposed to REactive when it comes to national security.
Lastly, for all of you whining about due process, let me ask you this- Do you think an enemy combatant detained in Afghanistan who kills, maims, or beheads a US soldier and is brought to Guantanamo for interogation deserves to fall within the US constitutions due process protections that say, you should be entitled to? If your answer is yes, please explain the logic behind such a ridiculous idea.
This is a great post.
People like Camel Jockey really crack me up. He's the same kid that had a drinking problem at 19 or 20 and yet he thinks he's in a position to talk down to US soldiers and tell them what they can and can not fight for. I'm sure there are some military guys that would love to hear you tell them they're stupid and have no idea what they're doing. And it's absolutely astounding that these same people are crying for terrorist rights.
Were those Americans given habeas corpus as they were tortured and beheaded? Their charred corpses strung up over a bridge in 2003 or whenever it was? I have no sympathy for people who were picked up on the battlefield trying to kill Americans.
This kid's family has ties to Al Qaeda, he was from Canada and he just miraculously ended up on an Afghanistan battlefield. I'm sure he's 100% innocent and was most likely there to research a high school project. Maybe he was making a diorama?
These guys are fanatics. How exactly should one extract information? We could take the terrorist and Muslim approach maybe. Torture, dismemberment, and execution by beheading. ::)
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This is a great post.
People like Camel Jockey really crack me up. He's the same kid that had a drinking problem at 19 or 20 and yet he thinks he's in a position to talk down to US soldiers and tell them what they can and can not fight for. I'm sure there are some military guys that would love to hear you tell them they're stupid and have no idea what they're doing. And it's absolutely astounding that these same people are crying for terrorist rights.
Were those Americans given habeas corpus as they were tortured and beheaded? Their charred corpses strung up over a bridge in 2003 or whenever it was? I have no sympathy for people who were picked up on the battlefield trying to kill Americans.
This kid's family has ties to Al Qaeda, he was from Canada and he just miraculously ended up on an Afghanistan battlefield. I'm sure he's 100% innocent and was most likely there to research a high school project. Maybe he was making a diorama?
These guys are fanatics. How exactly should one extract information? We could take the terrorist and Muslim approach maybe. Torture, dismemberment, and execution by beheading. ::)
I don't have sympathy for those picked up on the battlefield either... But I do think if they are picked up on the battlefield that they should be held as prisoners of war and we should abide by the Geneva convention.
If a guy is fighting against US troops in battle, obviously he's the enemy and should be treated as such.
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arabs are whining bitches when overpowered, and atrocious butchers when they overpower you. Filthy race.
their religion tell them to lie and do everything they can to lure the infidels and then backstab them as soon as possible.
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JOHNNY VEGAS is a nobody, with 20 inch guns which you can see if you decide to go out of your way and go to california, because hes too retarded to post a pic.
Meltdown! :D
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whats the matter with you. racism can only be perpetuated by the white man, as long as youre not white you can shit on anyone thats different.
Hi Sean....still hating on the white man I see.....jealousy is a bitch!
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Spot on. The CIA and the Guantanamo bay interogators should be able to really push it when the aim is to catch terrorists. Using tough methods to get important information out of a 16 year old muslim lunatic, information that can save hundreds of lives, should be allowed.
When fighting in a war, a soldier will kill another soldier that tries to kill him, regardless of age. There is no reason to threat an enemy captive ready to kill with silk glows, because war is a different ballgame than civil life.
If it were up to Debussey, these captives should be taken to top secret facilities around the world and get exposed to every experimental and non experimental interrogation technique possible to get as much info out of them as possible, no matter what.
Would you allow torture?
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You're really dumb.
If the US were to stop giving out US tax payer money to Israel and were to leave and abolist its bases in the Middle East this whol terrorist business wouldn't be an issue.
The US has done more to fuel Islamic terrorism than all the durka mullahs and imams put together
You are right in my view to a point. US policy sure makes their radical agenda ALOT easier. I have a friend who recently just came back from Palestine, and you remember those pictures of the captured terrorists naked and what not? Some are actually using those as methods to recruit more for the Hamas cause. At least according to him. They paint all Americans the same, and say they will eventually be doing this to all of us.
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This is a great post.
People like Camel Jockey really crack me up. He's the same kid that had a drinking problem at 19 or 20 and yet he thinks he's in a position to talk down to US soldiers and tell them what they can and can not fight for. I'm sure there are some military guys that would love to hear you tell them they're stupid and have no idea what they're doing. And it's absolutely astounding that these same people are crying for terrorist rights.
Were those Americans given habeas corpus as they were tortured and beheaded? Their charred corpses strung up over a bridge in 2003 or whenever it was? I have no sympathy for people who were picked up on the battlefield trying to kill Americans.
This kid's family has ties to Al Qaeda, he was from Canada and he just miraculously ended up on an Afghanistan battlefield. I'm sure he's 100% innocent and was most likely there to research a high school project. Maybe he was making a diorama?
These guys are fanatics. How exactly should one extract information? We could take the terrorist and Muslim approach maybe. Torture, dismemberment, and execution by beheading. ::)
No doubt that kid should be there. He should be sentenced to death imo
My whole point was that there are people who've got nothing to do with durkas getting caught up in this mess. Is that fair?? You tell me. Maybe if we had due process by a military tribunal this wouldn't happen.
Of course I can talk down to US soliders. They're not above criticism, but my beef is not with them, but them fighting for old men with agendas who don't give a fuck about both them and the american people.
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It's still amazing to see people fight for the rights of these monsters. Dangerous individuals why try to kill innocent people should be locked away permanently. Defenders of the right of these persons deserve the same treatment. It's disgusting.
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It's still amazing to see people fight for the rights of these monsters. Dangerous individuals why try to kill innocent people should be locked away permanently. Defenders of the right of these persons deserve the same treatment. It's disgusting.
I agree.
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You mean giving a non US citizen (terrorist) the same rights under the United States constitution as an American ::)
2 Harvard law professors have already came out and stated that this will and could release these terrorists into the United States, hope they land in your yard not mine.
A higher standard ???
Shocking, I don't remember the last time a US soldier strapped explosives around his body and blew up a market of 50 people.
Nope US soldiers like to make men strip naked and form a nude pyramid while sticking batons in their buttholes. Oh and US soldiers like to rape children. ;)
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Nope US soldiers like to make men strip naked and form a nude pyramid while sticking batons in their buttholes. Oh and US soldiers like to rape children. ;)
Don't even try to compare US soldiers and muslim terrorists.
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To all of you defending this terrorist.
These fuckers killed 4000 innocent American civilians in 2001. We are in a war, have you forgotten this?
We are trying to do everything we can to find and punish the people behind the attacks.
They have enough evidence on this little f*cker to take him to trial for murdering an American soldier.
I see they're still looking for Bin Laden. ::)
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Don't even try to compare US soldiers and muslim terrorists.
Not comparing just showing all sides.