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Obama leads mccain in at least 5 states that Bush owned in 2004.
That's a sobering fact. Can Mccain steal 5+ states that kerry won in 2004? I dont know...
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how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"
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how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"
You = an interesting gimmick
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how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"
I think you're confusing me with someone else
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I think you're confusing me with someone else
of course.
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........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress is qualified enough to be commander and chief when his own district that he represented in Illinois miserably went into the shitter after he took it over?
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Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.
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of course.
SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO ME BIG DAWG.
WANNA BANG? ::)
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hahahaha.
I'm not going to roll in the mud with some ex-convict.
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We had an American (Republican-leaning) commentator on Irish radio discussing the upcoming US election.
When the topic turned to the British (and Irish) opinion polls he was shocked to hear that McCain was behind by fifteen points (he felt McCain would come from behind to win by voting time)... I laughed out loud when the Irish interviewer interjected to clear up the misconception:
McCain wasn't behind by 15 points...
After canvassing 20,000 people across Britain the result was:
15% for John McCain
85% for Barack Obama
(I believe countries such as Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Denmark etc have figures well into the 90%'s for Obama)
...that, that is what Europe thinks of the choice facing American citizens.
The Luke
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We had an American (Republican-leaning) commentator on Irish radio discussing the upcoming US election.
When the topic turned to the British (and Irish) opinion polls he was shocked to hear that McCain was behind by fifteen points (he felt McCain would come from behind to win by voting time)... I laughed out loud when the Irish interviewer interjected to clear up the misconception:
McCain wasn't behind by 15 points...
After canvassing 20,000 people across Britain the result was:
15% for John McCain
85% for Barack Obama
(I believe countries such as Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Denmark etc have figures well into the 90%'s for Obama)
...that, that is what Europe thinks of the choice facing American citizens.
The Luke
The European media are 95% leftists. Hence the amount of people supporting Obama. Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.
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whoever it is....one thing is for sure....either one will die in office
I'll make that bet
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........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress is qualified enough to be commander and chief when his own district that he represented in Illinois miserably went into the shitter after he took it over?
They are both idiots. I wouldn't choose either, how about you answer my question now?
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Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.
if you're sure it will tighten up why not buy McCain now and take advantage of the long odds.
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........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress...
so a right wing publication (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/) takes selected Senate votes in 2007 and creates a ranking that just happens to place the Democratic nominee first. More liberal than Boxer, more liberal than Kennedy.
here (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/31/625886.aspx) is a rebuke of that rating. Basically they hand picked 99 votes, but Obama was out campaigning so missed a third of them. His rating of 65 out of 66 makes him 'more liberal' than Clinton's 77 out of 82. McCain wasn't even rated because he missed more than half the votes.
Those of us on the left would have preferred someone even more progressive than Obama, but understand that such a person would have a harder time in the general election.
and here is a site that keeps track of the electoral vote: http://electoral-vote.com (http://electoral-vote.com)
Come November, I really doubt that McCain will break 170 electoral votes
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In answer to the question, yes.
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Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.
Do you have polling data where Kerry led Bush big in Summer 2004?
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so a right wing publication (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/) takes selected Senate votes in 2007 and creates a ranking that just happens to place the Democratic nominee first. More liberal than Boxer, more liberal than Kennedy.
here (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/31/625886.aspx) is a rebuke of that rating. Basically they hand picked 99 votes, but Obama was out campaigning so missed a third of them. His rating of 65 out of 66 makes him 'more liberal' than Clinton's 77 out of 82. McCain wasn't even rated because he missed more than half the votes.
Those of us on the left would have preferred someone even more progressive than Obama, but understand that such a person would have a harder time in the general election.
and here is a site that keeps track of the electoral vote: http://electoral-vote.com (http://electoral-vote.com)
Come November, I really doubt that McCain will break 170 electoral votes
Then we right-of-center fellows will have to dutifully fix it ;)
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Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.
Roger Ailes owes his career to that
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Roger Ailes owes his career to that
most talking heads "dial it in" as they say in that industry.
they are not real journalists at all.
they mostly worry about how they look on tv.
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The European media are 95% leftists. Hence the amount of people supporting Obama. Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.
...what we consider right wing: Americans consider left wing hippy liberal. What we consider liberal (Scandanavia, Netherlands, France) is actually a libertarian version of communism (Marxist communism, not American McCarty-ism communism).
What Americans consider right wing, Europeans consider fundamentalist Islam (with the except that American fundamentalists spell Allah: J-E-E-B-U-S).
I don't think that it's a case of 95% of European media being leftists... it's just that we have a (more) independent media without the corporate infiltration that typifies Republican media in the US. Rupert Murdoch decides the opinion of more American voters than is healthy or necessary to the function of a free democracy. FOX News can't even be broadcast in Europe because it doesn't meet journalistic standards and is classified as propaganda (it is!)
I don't think Republican/right-wing thinkers understand that liberals aren't evil or misguided... they are just enlightened intelligent free thinkers.
The facts speak for themselves:
-ALL scientists (>99%) are athiests...
-ALL scientists (>99%) are liberals...
-there is a definite positive correlation between higher IQ and liberal political views
-there is a definite positive correlation between lower IQ and conservative/evangelical political views
...low-IQ evangelical/religious conservative types (Rednecks) trust high-IQ atheist types (Scientists) with nearly every aspect of their lives: from the engine management system running their truck, to the medical care some of them can afford, to the mobile phones they overuse, to the computer system they rely on to access porn and the FOX news friendly websites from which they parrot inane arguments to their Creationist viewpoint against rational people.
Why they somehow feel capable or qualified to decide on geo-political issues just astounds me... why not let the intelligent people run this too?
How can you have an idealogical/political objection (Republican politics is defined by what it opposes rather than what it proposes) to something you don't understand?
The Luke
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Do you have polling data where Kerry led Bush big in Summer 2004?
No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.
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if you're sure it will tighten up why not buy McCain now and take advantage of the long odds.
I'm not sure, just my opinion. But I do know that history has proved that you can't be too far to the left to win the presidency. Look at Billy Clinton.
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No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.
Obama is ahead by a margin ofr 10% in some polls
I don't think Kerry ever broke 5%
The situation now is different. Bush used mainly fear to be relected, a tactic that a lot of stupid Americans bought. After an absolute failure of a second term people aren't going bite the same bait. The whole = Republicans stronger on keeping this country safe is become less and less relevant everyday as people have found out that it's a lie. Bigger concern = short term policies which people think will help them, and that's what Obama is running on.
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No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.
I will take your insult as "I don't have data to back up my claim".
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The facts speak for themselves:
-ALL scientists (>99%) are athiests...
-ALL scientists (>99%) are liberals...
-there is a definite positive correlation between higher IQ and liberal political views
-there is a definite positive correlation between lower IQ and conservative/evangelical political views
The Luke
- ALL Liberals (>99%) see what they believe ...
- Reality (100%) doesn't give a shit ...
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Obama is ahead by a margin ofr 10% in some polls
I don't think Kerry ever broke 5%
The situation now is different. Bush used mainly fear to be relected, a tactic that a lot of stupid Americans bought. After an absolute failure of a second term people aren't going bite the same bait. The whole = Republicans stronger on keeping this country safe is become less and less relevant everyday as people have found out that it's a lie. Bigger concern = short term policies which people think will help them, and that's what Obama is running on.
You may be right, I don't know but neither do you. The whole Rep vs Dem thing about national security is something I do disagree with you, although this administration has botched things. But in general, I think the weakness reputation of the left is well earned.
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Is Coach stupid enough...
The answer is "yes".
I didn't even read your post other than the title, but whatever it is your post was asking about, the answer to the question "is Coach stupid enough to...." is "yes".
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The answer is "yes".
I didn't even read your post other than the title, but whatever it is your post was asking about, the answer to the question "is Coach stupid enough to...." is "yes".
Why, because you don't agree with him? That's not very tolerant of you and it is rather stupid.
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I'm just answering yes.I didn't even read the question.
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whoever it is....one thing is for sure....either one will die in office
I'll make that bet
LOL
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...what we consider right wing: Americans consider left wing hippy liberal. What we consider liberal (Scandanavia, Netherlands, France) is actually a libertarian version of communism (Marxist communism, not American McCarty-ism communism).
What Americans consider right wing, Europeans consider fundamentalist Islam (with the except that American fundamentalists spell Allah: J-E-E-B-U-S).
I don't think that it's a case of 95% of European media being leftists... it's just that we have a (more) independent media without the corporate infiltration that typifies Republican media in the US. Rupert Murdoch decides the opinion of more American voters than is healthy or necessary to the function of a free democracy. FOX News can't even be broadcast in Europe because it doesn't meet journalistic standards and is classified as propaganda (it is!)
I don't think Republican/right-wing thinkers understand that liberals aren't evil or misguided... they are just enlightened intelligent free thinkers.
The facts speak for themselves:
-ALL scientists (>99%) are athiests...
-ALL scientists (>99%) are liberals...
-there is a definite positive correlation between higher IQ and liberal political views
-there is a definite positive correlation between lower IQ and conservative/evangelical political views
...low-IQ evangelical/religious conservative types (Rednecks) trust high-IQ atheist types (Scientists) with nearly every aspect of their lives: from the engine management system running their truck, to the medical care some of them can afford, to the mobile phones they overuse, to the computer system they rely on to access porn and the FOX news friendly websites from which they parrot inane arguments to their Creationist viewpoint against rational people.
Why they somehow feel capable or qualified to decide on geo-political issues just astounds me... why not let the intelligent people run this too?
How can you have an idealogical/political objection (Republican politics is defined by what it opposes rather than what it proposes) to something you don't understand?
The Luke
Agree 100%
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No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.
Yep he already has moved hard to the center, granting telcom amnesty was just one of the more blatant moves.
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We had an American (Republican-leaning) commentator on Irish radio discussing the upcoming US election.
When the topic turned to the British (and Irish) opinion polls he was shocked to hear that McCain was behind by fifteen points (he felt McCain would come from behind to win by voting time)... I laughed out loud when the Irish interviewer interjected to clear up the misconception:
McCain wasn't behind by 15 points...
After canvassing 20,000 people across Britain the result was:
15% for John McCain
85% for Barack Obama
(I believe countries such as Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Denmark etc have figures well into the 90%'s for Obama)
...that, that is what Europe thinks of the choice facing American citizens.
The Luke
Was this somekind of revelation? It's no secret that most of europe makes Obama look like a conservative.
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Am I the only person who thinks Obama will walk this election?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he manages to take 70% of the votes.
I think the bigger question is whether or not the Republican party will survive this loss... my money would be on Obama winning with one of the biggest landslides ever while simultaneously breaking all voter turnout records. In the wake of this, I'd see the evangelicals splitting from (being dropped by) the less religious fiscally-minded republicans.
The Luke
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Am I the only person who thinks Obama will walk this election?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he manages to take 70% of the votes.
I think the bigger question is whether or not the Republican party will survive this loss... my money would be on Obama winning with one of the biggest landslides ever while simultaneously breaking all voter turnout records. In the wake of this, I'd see the evangelicals splitting from (being dropped by) the less religious fiscally-minded republicans.
The Luke
Even the left in this country think he's too far left.
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Even the left in this country think he's too far left.
idiot
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I think there is a great number of people who haven't made up their minds and will in the coming weeks.
also, when it comes to actually casting the vote how will voters vote? It's usually a little different then how they respond to a poll.
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Even the left in this country think he's too far left.
...seeing as everybody here concedes the fact that Obama is not that far left in comparison to the politics of the rest of the world, couldn't the argument be made that America itself has drifted too far to the right?
What are republican/conservatives afraid of?
In the last twenty years America has been steadily usurped in every single positive living index by a plethora of formerly bankrupt and backward countries. The common factor? All these countries are socialist leftist democracies that adopted progressive social policies... meanwhile America is rushing headlong into the Middle Ages.
Here in Ireland the trend is towards even more liberal attitudes (we're legalising gay marriage at the moment, and we've already opened our border)... we're hoping to end up like the Scandinavian countries who worry about recycling and sustainable infrastructure because they no longer have any real crime or poverty.
The Luke
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...seeing as everybody here concedes the fact that Obama is not that far left in comparison to the politics of the rest of the world, couldn't the argument be made that America itself has drifted too far to the right?
What are republican/conservatives afraid of?
In the last twenty years America has been steadily usurped in every single positive living index by a plethora of formerly bankrupt and backward countries. The common factor? All these countries are socialist leftist democracies that adopted progressive social policies... meanwhile America is rushing headlong into the Middle Ages.
Here in Ireland the trend is towards even more liberal attitudes (we're legalising gay marriage at the moment, and we've already opened our border)... we're hoping to end up like the Scandinavian countries who worry about recycling and sustainable infrastructure because they no longer have any real crime or poverty.
The Luke
How about not sticking to anything he says he stands for? Flip flopping on damn near everything? Not having a clue on how to protect our country? (which is most important too me) and shows no sign of being bi-partison. Look, I have nothing against the guy personally, he's smart, articulate and has potential........just not now. He needs to at least come over a little.
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How about not sticking to anything he says he stands for? Flip flopping on damn near everything? Not having a clue on how to protect our country? (which is most important too me) and shows no sign of being bi-partison. Look, I have nothing against the guy personally, he's smart, articulate and has potential........just not now. He needs to at least come over a little.
you really are clueless....protect our country? Your chances of being harmed by some kind of domestic attack are lower than your risks of death by lightning strike.
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you really are clueless....protect our country? Your chances of being harmed by some kind of domestic attack are lower than your risks of death by lightning strike.
I think you really need to search to see just how many cells and plots have been broken up and stopped. I think you're the clueless one.
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I think you really need to search to see just how many cells and plots have been broken up and stopped. I think you're the clueless one.
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How about not sticking to anything he says he stands for? Flip flopping on damn near everything? Not having a clue on how to protect our country? (which is most important too me)
...What the fuck Coach?
-ending the war in Iraq will do more to prevent another terrorist attack on America than anything the Bush administration or McCain will do.
-talking to Iran (read: giving them aid, lifting sanctions and helping stabilize the country against civil war as it takes steps towards democracy) will help prevent another millenarianist theocracy developing the nuke.
Obama has promised to both these things... just one of them would amount to more constructive protection of American citizens than the sum total of 8 years of the Bush administration.
Republicans need to stop cowering under the duvet of ignorance... there is no Al Quaeda bogey-man. (probably never was)
After 911 the CIA claimed it would use the Patriot Act to eliminate the estimated 5,000 terrorist cells active in the US... that estimate was recently revised downwards... to ZERO. More Americans are killed by food poisoning annually than have been killed by terrorist action in the last 100 years.
McCain continually confuses Shiahs and Sunnis... he's totally out of touch. He thinks the war in Iraq is going well and wants to continue Bush's foreign policies even though these same policies are destabilizing the Middle East and breeding (terrorist) resentment against America.
How about not sticking to anything he says he stands for? Flip flopping on damn near everything? Not having a clue on how to protect our country? (which is most important too me) and shows no sign of being bi-partison. Look, I have nothing against the guy personally, he's smart, articulate and has potential........just not now. He needs to at least come over a little.
...do you see the entire world in black and white? Good vs evil? Rep vs Dem?
You watch too much FOX News... bipartisanship is exactly what America needs... partisanship and a growing idealogical polarization gave evangelicals the vote wedge to put an ill-educated self-assured illiterate incompetent in the White House in the first place.
Most traditional Republican voters would have been swayed by the economic success of the Clinton years... that is, would have been swayed if FOX News wasn't running round the clock scandal-mongering propaganda.
FOX News... soft on Republican incompetence... hard on blowjobs.
The Luke
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FOX News... soft on Republican incompetence... hard on blowjobs.
Not bad...not bad at all. ;D
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...What the fuck Coach?
-ending the war in Iraq will do more to prevent another terrorist attack on America than anything the Bush administration or McCain will do.
-talking to Iran (read: giving them aid, lifting sanctions and helping stabilize the country against civil war as it takes steps towards democracy) will help prevent another millenarianist theocracy developing the nuke.
Obama has promised to both these things... just one of them would amount to more constructive protection of American citizens than the sum total of 8 years of the Bush administration.
Republicans need to stop cowering under the duvet of ignorance... there is no Al Quaeda bogey-man. (probably never was)
After 911 the CIA claimed it would use the Patriot Act to eliminate the estimated 5,000 terrorist cells active in the US... that estimate was recently revised downwards... to ZERO. More Americans are killed by food poisoning annually than have been killed by terrorist action in the last 100 years.
McCain continually confuses Shiahs and Sunnis... he's totally out of touch. He thinks the war in Iraq is going well and wants to continue Bush's foreign policies even though these same policies are destabilizing the Middle East and breeding (terrorist) resentment against America.
...do you see the entire world in black and white? Good vs evil? Rep vs Dem?
You watch too much FOX News... bipartisanship is exactly what America needs... partisanship and a growing idealogical polarization gave evangelicals the vote wedge to put an ill-educated self-assured illiterate incompetent in the White House in the first place.
Most traditional Republican voters would have been swayed by the economic success of the Clinton years... that is, would have been swayed if FOX News wasn't running round the clock scandal-mongering propaganda.
FOX News... soft on Republican incompetence... hard on blowjobs.
The Luke
Dude, Sean Hannity calls out Obama on a daily basis to come on his show and he won't respond (Obama) why? Because he knows he's going to get the questions that the Lib networks won't ask. How come Obama is getting all the press for going to Iraq and McCain got a blip on page 15 of the LA Times? Why Is Couric, Williams and Gibson going to Iraq with Obama and won't go with McCain?
It's time you guys pulled your bias heads out and realize this guy is being created by the press as some sort of saviour.
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Dude, Sean Hannity calls out Obama on a daily basis to come on his show and he won't respond (Obama) why? Because he knows he's going to get the questions that the Lib networks won't ask. How come Obama is getting all the press for going to Iraq and McCain got a blip on page 15 of the LA Times? Why Is Couric, Williams and Gibson going to Iraq with Obama and won't go with McCain?
It's time you guys pulled your bias heads out and realize this guy is being created by the press as some sort of saviour.
Don't cry, coach. :'(
Will you promise to sit in your closed garage with the car running when president Obama is sworn in?
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Dude, Sean Hannity calls out Obama on a daily basis to come on his show and he won't respond (Obama) why? Because he knows he's going to get the questions that the Lib networks won't ask.
...FOX ran a continuous smear story on Obama claiming he attended a madrassa (muslim religious school), while growing up in Indonesia.
Obama denounced this in the Senate and claimed the story was easily refutable... some of the other networks sniffed a story and found the smear was a total fabrication. In fact, FOX was aware the story was false but ran it anyway hoping they could goad Obama into a public denial (then they counter with a "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" angle).
Since then Obama has frozen out FOX News at every opportunity... Rupert Murdoch is worried that an elected Obama may re-instate the "equal time" broadcasting requirement that Regan removed (at Murdoch's request), effectively ending "entertainment news" (FOX).
Why do you think FOX News is so gay for Regan... it comes straight from Rupert Murdoch himself.
Hannity is under orders to politely appeal to Obama to appear, it's a conciliatory gesture... it's not one anchor asking for an interview, it's one organization (FOX) asking another organization (the Obama administration) for surrender terms. compare this to the original Hannity angle on this "Let's hear him deny it!"
As it stands now, Obama has shunned all attempts at placation from FOX... FOX is worried they'll lose their White House privileges (press pass) and/or their broadcasting rights ("Equal time" would end FOX News).
But if you think Obama is just chicken... then I think your naiveté is adorably quaint.
The Luke
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...what we consider right wing: Americans consider left wing hippy liberal. What we consider liberal (Scandanavia, Netherlands, France) is actually a libertarian version of communism (Marxist communism, not American McCarty-ism communism).
What Americans consider right wing, Europeans consider fundamentalist Islam (with the except that American fundamentalists spell Allah: J-E-E-B-U-S).
I don't think that it's a case of 95% of European media being leftists... it's just that we have a (more) independent media without the corporate infiltration that typifies Republican media in the US. Rupert Murdoch decides the opinion of more American voters than is healthy or necessary to the function of a free democracy. FOX News can't even be broadcast in Europe because it doesn't meet journalistic standards and is classified as propaganda (it is!)
I don't think Republican/right-wing thinkers understand that liberals aren't evil or misguided... they are just enlightened intelligent free thinkers.
The facts speak for themselves:
-ALL scientists (>99%) are athiests...
-ALL scientists (>99%) are liberals...
-there is a definite positive correlation between higher IQ and liberal political views
-there is a definite positive correlation between lower IQ and conservative/evangelical political views
...low-IQ evangelical/religious conservative types (Rednecks) trust high-IQ atheist types (Scientists) with nearly every aspect of their lives: from the engine management system running their truck, to the medical care some of them can afford, to the mobile phones they overuse, to the computer system they rely on to access porn and the FOX news friendly websites from which they parrot inane arguments to their Creationist viewpoint against rational people.
Why they somehow feel capable or qualified to decide on geo-political issues just astounds me... why not let the intelligent people run this too?
How can you have an idealogical/political objection (Republican politics is defined by what it opposes rather than what it proposes) to something you don't understand?
The Luke
I am sooooo loving this post! :)
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Don't cry, coach. :'(
Will you promise to sit in your closed garage with the car running when president Obama is sworn in?
That wouldn't do much good. When President Obama (Gee I really like the sound of that :P ) is sworn in, he'll do alot to clean up tailpipe emissions, so Coach will be SOL there too. poor Coachie, ...you gotta feel for the guy.
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When President Obama (Gee I really like the sound of that :P ) is sworn in...
I do too, so I use it as often as possible. ;D From my keyboard to God's ears!
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hannity is disrespectful to obama.
I think obama may go on brit hume or even OReilly before election day, especially if it's close.
BUT
hannity is outright rude to him daily. Not gonna happen there. Remember hilary went on OReilly, and did get a bump in voting as a result. Obama *could* win over some votes. Remember, if you watch hannity daily, you probably ALREADY hate obama, right? lol...
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But if you think Obama is just chicken... then I think your naiveté is adorably quaint.
The Luke
LOL