Is Coach stupid enough...

[shiftedShapes]

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[240 is Back]

Obama leads mccain in at least 5 states that Bush owned in 2004.

That's a sobering fact.  Can Mccain steal 5+ states that kerry won in 2004?  I dont know...

[El_Pajero]

how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"

[The Master]

how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"

You = an interesting gimmick

[shiftedShapes]

how is the rehab going "shittedshapes"

I think you're confusing me with someone else

[El_Pajero]

I think you're confusing me with someone else

of course.

[The Coach]

........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress is qualified enough to be commander and chief when his own district that he represented in Illinois miserably went into the shitter after he took it over?

[Top Dog]

Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

of course.

SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO ME BIG DAWG.

WANNA BANG? 

[El_Pajero]

hahahaha.

I'm not going to roll in the mud with some ex-convict.

[The Luke]

We had an American (Republican-leaning) commentator on Irish radio discussing the upcoming US election.

When the topic turned to the British (and Irish) opinion polls he was shocked to hear that McCain was behind by fifteen points (he felt McCain would come from behind to win by voting time)... I laughed out loud when the Irish interviewer interjected to clear up the misconception:

McCain wasn't behind by 15 points...

After canvassing 20,000 people across Britain the result was:
15% for John McCain
85% for Barack Obama

(I believe countries such as Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Denmark etc have figures well into the 90%'s for Obama)

...that, that is what Europe thinks of the choice facing American citizens.



The Luke

[musclehedz]

We had an American (Republican-leaning) commentator on Irish radio discussing the upcoming US election.

When the topic turned to the British (and Irish) opinion polls he was shocked to hear that McCain was behind by fifteen points (he felt McCain would come from behind to win by voting time)... I laughed out loud when the Irish interviewer interjected to clear up the misconception:

McCain wasn't behind by 15 points...

After canvassing 20,000 people across Britain the result was:
15% for John McCain
85% for Barack Obama

(I believe countries such as Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Denmark etc have figures well into the 90%'s for Obama)

...that, that is what Europe thinks of the choice facing American citizens.



The Luke

The European media are 95% leftists. Hence the amount of people supporting Obama. Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.

[knny187]

whoever it is....one thing is for sure....either one will die in office

I'll make that bet

[shiftedShapes]

........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress is qualified enough to be commander and chief when his own district that he represented in Illinois miserably went into the shitter after he took it over?

They are both idiots.  I wouldn't choose either, how about you answer my question now?

[shiftedShapes]

Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.

if you're sure it will tighten up why not buy McCain now and take advantage of the long odds.

[timfogarty]

........are you stupid enough to believe that a person who was voted the #1 lib in congress...

so a right wing publication takes selected Senate votes in 2007 and creates a ranking that just happens to place the Democratic nominee first.   More liberal than Boxer, more liberal than Kennedy.

here is a rebuke of that rating.  Basically they hand picked 99 votes, but Obama was out campaigning so missed a third of them.  His rating of 65 out of 66 makes him 'more liberal' than Clinton's 77 out of 82.  McCain wasn't even rated because he missed more than half the votes.

Those of us on the left would have preferred someone even more progressive than Obama, but understand that such a person would have a harder time in the general election.

and here is a site that keeps track of the electoral vote:  http://electoral-vote.com   

Come November, I really doubt that McCain will break 170 electoral votes

[pumpster]

In answer to the question, yes.

[240 is Back]

Kerry was a shoe in at this time too. This thing will tighten up as Obama is revealed to be the liberal he is. Can't win being that far to the left folks. Clinton had to move toward the middle in order to win. As far as Coach being stupid? He's no more stupid than you for being so sure so early.

Do you have polling data where Kerry led Bush big in Summer 2004?

[Moosejay]

so a right wing publication takes selected Senate votes in 2007 and creates a ranking that just happens to place the Democratic nominee first.   More liberal than Boxer, more liberal than Kennedy.

here is a rebuke of that rating.  Basically they hand picked 99 votes, but Obama was out campaigning so missed a third of them.  His rating of 65 out of 66 makes him 'more liberal' than Clinton's 77 out of 82.  McCain wasn't even rated because he missed more than half the votes.

Those of us on the left would have preferred someone even more progressive than Obama, but understand that such a person would have a harder time in the general election.

and here is a site that keeps track of the electoral vote:  http://electoral-vote.com   

Come November, I really doubt that McCain will break 170 electoral votes

Then we right-of-center fellows will have to dutifully fix it

[timfogarty]

Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.

Roger Ailes owes his career to that

[Moosejay]

Roger Ailes owes his career to that

most talking heads "dial it in" as they say in that industry.

they are not real journalists at all.

they mostly worry about how they look on tv.

[The Luke]

The European media are 95% leftists. Hence the amount of people supporting Obama. Most people can't make up their own minds and copy the opinions of the media.

...what we consider right wing: Americans consider left wing hippy liberal. What we consider liberal (Scandanavia, Netherlands, France) is actually a libertarian version of communism (Marxist communism, not American McCarty-ism communism).

What Americans consider right wing, Europeans consider fundamentalist Islam (with the except that American fundamentalists spell Allah: J-E-E-B-U-S).

I don't think that it's a case of 95% of European media being leftists... it's just that we have a (more) independent media without the corporate infiltration that typifies Republican media in the US. Rupert Murdoch decides the opinion of more American voters than is healthy or necessary to the function of a free democracy. FOX News can't even be broadcast in Europe because it doesn't meet journalistic standards and is classified as propaganda (it is!)

I don't think Republican/right-wing thinkers understand that liberals aren't evil or misguided... they are just enlightened intelligent free thinkers.

The facts speak for themselves:
-ALL scientists (>99%) are athiests...
-ALL scientists (>99%) are liberals...
-there is a definite positive correlation between higher IQ and liberal political views
-there is a definite positive correlation between lower IQ and conservative/evangelical political views

...low-IQ evangelical/religious conservative types (Rednecks) trust high-IQ atheist types (Scientists) with nearly every aspect of their lives: from the engine management system running their truck, to the medical care some of them can afford, to the mobile phones they overuse, to the computer system they rely on to access porn and the FOX news friendly websites from which they parrot inane arguments to their Creationist viewpoint against rational people.

Why they somehow feel capable or qualified to decide on geo-political issues just astounds me... why not let the intelligent people run this too?

How can you have an idealogical/political objection (Republican politics is defined by what it opposes rather than what it proposes) to something you don't understand?



The Luke

[Top Dog]

Do you have polling data where Kerry led Bush big in Summer 2004?

No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.

[Top Dog]

if you're sure it will tighten up why not buy McCain now and take advantage of the long odds.

I'm not sure, just my opinion. But I do know that history has proved that you can't be too far to the left to win the presidency. Look at Billy Clinton.

[Camel Jockey]

No, I'm not a stay at home mom, but clearly Kerry was ahead in the polls late. I could be wrong when I say it will tighten, but he will have to move to the center to insure a win.

Obama is ahead by a margin ofr 10% in some polls

I don't think Kerry ever broke 5%

The situation now is different. Bush used mainly fear to be relected, a tactic that a lot of stupid Americans bought. After an absolute failure of a second term people aren't going bite the same bait. The whole = Republicans stronger on keeping this country safe is become less and less relevant everyday as people have found out that it's a lie. Bigger concern = short term policies which people think will help them, and that's what Obama is running on.