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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GetItOnNY on July 27, 2008, 04:29:12 PM
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I got a few PM'S latley asking me about my thoughts on Whey Protein, and the diffrences between Whey Protein Isolate, and Whey protein Concentrate.
Whey Protein Isolate is any Whey Protein that is 89-90% and above pure.Whey protein Concentrates are any protein thats 88% pure Whey protein and below .I personally wont drink any protein that is below 80% pure, because I dont want bloating gas, and stomach distress.The way to tell what percentage the protein your drinking is simple, just take the amount of protein per serving in grams , (which is usually posted on the label) then divide that by the serving size in grams .For instance a good Whey protein Isolate a 1 scoop serving may be 30 grams, and the amount of protein it should have is no less then 27 grams of protein.
If you do the math and it comes out to less then 90% 2 things are happening 1) the protein is not a true Whey Protein Isolate 2) The company is using alot of fillers or thickeing agents such as Guam gum and xanthan gum to cut there costs down.
The equation I gave you doeant apply to Meal Replacements because they obviously usually contain carbs, aswell as Vitamin and minerals.
I personaly only use Whey protein Isolate after training, because it has the fastest absorption of any other protein.During the day I use "blend" of protein powders for a slower release to maximize absorption
here is a list of protein and there absorption from the fastest to slowest
Whey Peptides
Ion Exchange Whey Protein Isolates
Cross Flow Whey Protein Isolates
80% Whey protein Concentrates
Egg Albumen
Milk Protein Isolates
Milk Protein Concentrates
Calcium Caseinate
Miscellar Casein
Agglomerated Caseins
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like whey is gonna build you muscle's ::)
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I got a few PM'S latley asking me about my thoughts on Whey Protein, and the diffrences between Whey Protein Isolate, and Whey protein Concentrate.
Whey Protein Isolate is any Whey Protein that is 89-90% and above pure.Whey protein Concentrates are any protein thats 88% pure Whey protein and below .I personally wont drink any protein that is below 80% pure, because I dont want bloating gas, and stomach distress.The way to tell what percentage the protein your drinking is simple, just take the amount of protein per serving in grams , (which is usually posted on the label) then divide that by the serving size in grams .For instance a good Whey protein Isolate a 1 scoop serving may be 30 grams, and the amount of protein it should have is no less then 27 grams of protein.
If you do the math and it comes out to less then 90% 2 things are happening 1) the protein is not a true Whey Protein Isolate 2) The company is using alot of fillers or thickeing agents such as Guam gum and xanthan gum to cut there costs down.
The equation I gave you doeant apply to Meal Replacements because they obviously usually contain carbs, aswell as Vitamin and minerals.
I personaly only use Whey protein Isolate after training, because it has the fastest absorption of any other protein.During the day I use "blend" of protein powders for a slower release to maximize absorption
here is a list of protein and there absorption from the fastest to slowest
Whey Peptides
Ion Exchange Whey Protein Isolates
Cross Flow Whey Protein Isolates
80% Whey protein Concentrates
Egg Albumen
Milk Protein Isolates
Milk Protein Concentrates
Calcium Caseinate
Miscellar Casein
Agglomerated Caseins
Three way blend is best....
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good thread man, can you tell us which brand 'uses excessive thickeners and fillers' ???
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nature's best zero-carb isopure = 80%
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ON's procomplex = 77%
damn my protein sucks
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I thought Ispure was the best??!!!
Its only 80%?!!
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MT's nitrotech hardcore = 70%
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What about TrueProtein's whey isolate?
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ultimate nutrition;s isopreme and isocool : 85%, 88% :o :o
VPX zerocarb : 80%
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What about TrueProtein's whey isolate?
90% (cross-filtered product)
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I guess from now on instead of Zero Carb Isopure Im going to be buying TrueProtein's Isolate
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Nitro-Tech is about 70% protein, so its a pretty inexpensive product to make.As far as Iso-Pure goes that product has alot of ingredients in it .They start out with Whey Protein Isolate, but they put a ton of shit in there.The only thing that product needs is Whey Protein Isolate, natural Flavoring, and Sucralose.Trust me it does take much flavoring or sweetener to make an Whey Protein Isolate taste good.
Isopure Ingredients
Ion Exchange Whey (Milk) Protein Isolate, Vitamin/Mineral/Amino Acid Blend (Taurine, Potassium(as Potassium Chloride), Chloride(as Potassium And Sodium Chloride), Calcium(as Dicalcium Phosphate Dihydrate), Phosphorus(as Dicalcium Phosphate Dihydrate), L-Glutamine, Magnesium(as Magnesium Oxide), Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid), Vitamin E(as DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate), Niacin, Zinc(as Zinc Sulfate Dihydrate), Vitamin A(as Palmitate), Pantothenic Acid(as D-Calcium Pantothenate), Vitamin B6(as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Copper(as Amino Acid Chelate), Manganese(as Manganese Sulfate Dihydrate), Riboflavin, Thiamin(as Thiamin Hydrochloride), Folic Acid, Biotin, Iodide(as Potassium Iodide), Chromium(as Amino Acid Chelate), Vitamin K, Molybdenum(as Amino Acid Chelate), Selenium(as Amino Acid Chelate), Vitamin B12), Soy Lecithin, Cocoa, Xanthan Gum, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Sucralose
90% of the sh$%$ in this product doesnt need to be in here trust me
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So, GetItOnNY, you dont recommend Isopure?
Can you tell me brands that you recommend so I can make a note out of it?
What about ProPeptide? Ive been using that...
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So, GetItOnNY, you dont recommend Isopure?
Can you tell me brands that you recommend so I can make a note out of it?
What about ProPeptide? Ive been using that...
propeptide : 69%
but it's not a WPI ...
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Nitro-Tech is about 70% protein, so its a pretty inexpensive product to make.As far as Iso-Pure goes that product has alot of ingredients in it .They start out with Whey Protein Isolate, but they put a ton of shit in there.The only thing that product needs is Whey Protein Isolate, natural Flavoring, and Sucralose.Trust me it does take much flavoring or sweetener to make an Whey Protein Isolate taste good.
Isopure Ingredients
Ion Exchange Whey (Milk) Protein Isolate, Vitamin/Mineral/Amino Acid Blend (Taurine, Potassium(as Potassium Chloride), Chloride(as Potassium And Sodium Chloride), Calcium(as Dicalcium Phosphate Dihydrate), Phosphorus(as Dicalcium Phosphate Dihydrate), L-Glutamine, Magnesium(as Magnesium Oxide), Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid), Vitamin E(as DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate), Niacin, Zinc(as Zinc Sulfate Dihydrate), Vitamin A(as Palmitate), Pantothenic Acid(as D-Calcium Pantothenate), Vitamin B6(as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Copper(as Amino Acid Chelate), Manganese(as Manganese Sulfate Dihydrate), Riboflavin, Thiamin(as Thiamin Hydrochloride), Folic Acid, Biotin, Iodide(as Potassium Iodide), Chromium(as Amino Acid Chelate), Vitamin K, Molybdenum(as Amino Acid Chelate), Selenium(as Amino Acid Chelate), Vitamin B12), Soy Lecithin, Cocoa, Xanthan Gum, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Sucralose
90% of the sh$%$ in this product doesnt need to be in here trust me
and i thought isopure was the best >:(
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Brands I would stay clear of is EAS, especially Myoplex, that product has alot of crap in it, and alot of thickening agents.
Also please stay clear of Body Fotress at Wal-Marts, I know some of you guys think your getting a bargain, but trust me, this product is garbage.If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is, and that is the case with Body Fortess.
There are still some really good brands out there such as AST,True Protein, Bio-Plex,the Original Metrx, white box( it has some fillers in it, but the product is still a pretty good MRP) Natures Best,Extreme Labs,Professional Supplements,
There are alot more but I cant think of them off of the top of my head, because there is so many brands out there
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I like Labrada whey products.
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Isopure is a good product, it just contains alot of things in the ingredients that I feel shouldnt be in there.
If you want a good Whey Protein Isolate, Try Bio-Plex Whey Protein Isolate, ,AST VP2, True Protein Whey Protein Isolate, Extreme Labs Nitro 92.These Whey Protein Isolates, contains less ingredients, so you get more protein for your money.
Your buying protein for the protein content right???????
The less ingredients a product has, the better product it will usually be
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I like Labrada whey products.
It is to my and other's understanding that they don't like you...... ???
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GetItOnNY ..whats your viewsd on CNP Professional formerly Dorian Yates Approved?
I take their Pro-peptide and I love the stuff
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Pro-Peptide is a pretty good product.It has a good structure to it.That product would work best as a night time formula
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GETITONNY, Why are you an expert in this matter?
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It is to my and other's understanding that they don't like you...... ???
Shouldn't you be grooming your nephew. ::)
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4 whey is the best right now cross fitlered, micronized, along with hammer pressed protein.
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Shouldn't you be grooming your nephew. ::)
Meltdown
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Meltdown
::), Gone to an ATM/Bank lately, bitch. Haha
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what do u think of species isolyze?
(http://speciesnutrition.com/images/Isolyze%20Facts.jpg)
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::), Gone to an ATM/Bank lately, bitch. Haha
Something youi would not be familiar with, backwater hillbilly ;)
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Something youi would not be familiar with, backwater hillbilly ;)
Been taken advantage of lately. Hahaha. BIATCH
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Rule of thumb.Whey protein Isolates right after training
The only draw back to Whey Protein Isolates is they digest very fast, so they have a very fast absorption rate.
So with Whey Protein Isolates you cant take as much protein at a time, like you would a combination protein ( Milk, Egg, Whey)
During the day and at night its good to have atleast a 3 stage protein, because if your eating every 2-3 hours you want your body to remain anabolic in between meals.So make sure your using a protein with Milk Isolate, Miscellar casein, Whey Protein concentrates, and Whey Protein Isolates.
At night time before bed, make sure that your protein contains Egg Albumen ,Milk concentrates,Calcium Caseinates,Miscellar Caseins, Whey Protein Isolate,Whey Protein Concentrates, then add 10 grams of L-Glutamine, and 5 grams of BCAAS.
This way your body will have all the amino acids it needs to repair itself while you rest
Remember Casein Proteins have a slower digestion rate, to fuel your muscles longer
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The ONLY whey that doesn't give me the shits and cramping is ON.
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Rule of thumb.Whey protein Isolates right after training
The only draw back to Whey Protein Isolates is they digest very fast, so they have a very fast absorption rate.
So with Whey Protein Isolates you cant take as much protein at a time, like you would a combination protein ( Milk, Egg, Whey)
During the day and at night its good to have atleast a 3 stage protein, because if your eating every 2-3 hours you want your body to remain anabolic in between meals.So make sure your using a protein with Milk Isolate, Miscellar casein, Whey Protein concentrates, and Whey Protein Isolates.
At night time before bed, make sure that your protein contains Egg Albumen ,Milk concentrates,Calcium Caseinates,Miscellar Caseins, Whey Protein Isolate,Whey Protein Concentrates, then add 10 grams of L-Glutamine, and 5 grams of BCAAS.
This way your body will have all the amino acids it needs to repair itself while you rest
Remember Casein Proteins have a slower digestion rate, to fuel your muscles longer
Thanks for the beginners guide to nutrition. ::)
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Isopure is good shit, imo.........
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In 1995 I developed the first time released protein.At the time all the other companies where making instantized Whey, and didn't agree with my philosophy.Then around the year 2001 they all jumped on the band wagon, and now everybody has time released protein.
My theory has always been the same, time released protein mimics food.God didn't make instantized chicken breasts did he??
no.By time releasing protein you increase absorption, plus you can take in larger servings at a time, and your body will be able to absorb the protein more effectively
Natural Wonder, if you do the math on the Species protein, a 29grams serving has 27 grams of protein, thats right around 93% protein, which is pretty good.The only think I don't like about that product is they useand artificial sweetener called Acesulfame K as there sweetener ,along with Sucralose.They dont need to add Acesulfame K if they are already using Sucralose, because Sucralose is sweet enough
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In 1995 I developed the first time released protein.At the time all the other companies where making instantized Whey, and didnt agree with my philosphy.Then around the year 2001 they all jumped on the band wagon, and now everyobdy has time released protein.
My theory has always been the same, time released protein mimicks food.God didnt make instantized chicken breasts did he??
no.By time rleasing protein you increase absorption, plus you can take in larger servings at a time, and your body will be able to absorb the protein more effectively
Natural Wonder, if you do the math on the Species protein, a 29grams serving has 27 grams of protein, thats right around 93% protein, which is pretty good.The only think I dont like about that product is they useand artificial sweetener called Acesulfame K as there sweetener ,along with Sucralose.They dont need to add Acesulfame K if they are already using Sucralose, because Sucralose is sweet enough
Proof or you are ALL LIES.
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In 1995 I developed the first time released protein.At the time all the other companies where making instantized Whey, and didn't agree with my philosophy.Then around the year 2001 they all jumped on the band wagon, and now everybody has time released protein.
My theory has always been the same, time released protein mimics food.God didn't make instantized chicken breasts did he??
no.By time releasing protein you increase absorption, plus you can take in larger servings at a time, and your body will be able to absorb the protein more effectively
Natural Wonder, if you do the math on the Species protein, a 29grams serving has 27 grams of protein, thats right around 93% protein, which is pretty good.The only think I don't like about that product is they useand artificial sweetener called Acesulfame K as there sweetener ,along with Sucralose.They dont need to add Acesulfame K if they are already using Sucralose, because Sucralose is sweet enough
Whats the best protein I can buy? That wont cause stomach issues.
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Anybody who knows that I started my company in 1995.The product that had the first time released protein was called Lean Mass
then in 1996 I created the first time released Whey protein
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thank u for reply
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Anybody who knows that I started my company in 1995.The product that had the first time released protein was called Lean Mass
then in 1996 I created the first time released Whey protein
Co. name?
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Co. name?
just stop
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just stop
get lost gaytroll
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get lost gaytroll
please do getbig all a favor and stop posting tonight...if we have to read any more of your crap our heads are gonna explode...please turn off your computer and do something else w/ your life
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get lost gaytroll
Calm down gloria.....its just the internet
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please do getbig all a favor and stop posting tonight...if we have to read any more of your crap our heads are gonna explode...please turn off your computer and do something else w/ your life
because you say so gaytroll ::)
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Body 88 Most of the time its not the protein that messes people up, its all the fillers and shit they put in the products.
Thats why the less ingredients a product has the better.Some companies put fillers, thickening agents, Purines ( pestasides)and artificial sweeteners in the products.
Thats why is best to find a product like True Protein, AST, Bio -Plex, or even Extreme Labs, that make product they dont contain a crap load of ingredients.Plus to avoid stomach distress do the math like I said before, and if you have a sensitive stomach, avoid any protein that is less then 80% pure protein.
(Even Species protein doesnt seem that bad)
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I own Extreme Labs
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Been taken advantage of lately. Hahaha. BIATCH
Lets hear some banjo music, clem
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Johns stuff is very easy to mix up.....and does taste pretty damn good. John you know I will always wish you still had the IsoMilk product. That stuff rocked.
Guys...I know some of you like to bust on John but he really does have some good insights into nutrition. Sometimes I think people on here just like to argue and cut people down. He really has a good product line that is not your 'mainstream overmarketed' crap (*cough* muscletech). Some really solid protein blends....the thermo product he has is pretty good too.
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GetItOnNY, I bought some VPX Zero Impact meal Replacement that supposerd to be made out of Micellar Casein.
When I first drank it, it tasted good but I wasnt impressed because:
1. Micellar Casein supposed to thicken up. VPX Zero Impact meal Replacement didnt thicken up, it was a very watery inconsistancy which leads me to believe that they lied about it being majority micellar casein
2. Its not thick like other MRPS.... I would have liked it better and believed it was micallar casein if it was thicker...they should have added guar gum to give it a thicker consitancy so I could have that full feeling
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I own Extreme Labs
How do you deal with fda and ph? Your company does make some hardcore products
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Body 88 Most of the time its not the protein that messes people up, its all the fillers and shit they put in the products.
Thats why the less ingredients a product has the better.Some companies put fillers, thickening agents, Purines ( pestasides)and artificial sweeteners in the products.
Thats why is best to find a product like True Protein, AST, Bio -Plex, or even Extreme Labs, that make product they dont contain a crap load of ingredients.Plus to avoid stomach distress do the math like I said before, and if you have a sensitive stomach, avoid any protein that is less then 80% pure protein.
(Even Species protein doesnt seem that bad)
Thanks, how do you feel about iso, anyway?
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what do u think of species isolyze?
(http://speciesnutrition.com/images/Isolyze%20Facts.jpg)
I was really impressed when I first saw this; Dave gave me some to try after last year's Team Universe. Its 27/29 = 93%! WPI
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EWA ,Please stay away from xantham gum and Guar Gum, those are cheap filler that cause bloating and stomach distress.
They have no buissness being in a good quality clean protein
Benz, the FDA, leaves me alone because we have a good reputation, and we follow there guidelines.
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EWA ,Please stay away from xantham gum and Guar Gum, those are cheap filler that cause bloating and stomach distress.
They have no buissness being in a good quality clean protein
Benz, the FDA, leaves me alone because we have a good reputation, and we follow there guidelines.
nice man, thanks for sharing. Feel free to send me a free sample (i just need 10kg) of your whey :)
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i've used a few extreme labs products. it's good quality stuff.
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Time released proteins were developed well before 1995. I wouldn't touch a product of yours, the labels are probably all lies like your statements here.
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EWA ,Please stay away from xantham gum and Guar Gum, those are cheap filler that cause bloating and stomach distress.
They have no buissness being in a good quality clean protein
Why do they add those?
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i've used a few UG lab products. it's good quality stuff.
:o
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Forget whey protein. If you want to get jacked, drink Weider Mega Mass 2000 by the gallon. The Dutch Chocolate is awesome!
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Time released proteins were developed well before 1995. I wouldn't touch a product of yours, the labels are probably all lies like your statements here.
Of course you wouldnt...not when you get your protein directly from the tap.
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Of course you wouldnt...not when you get your protein directly from the tap.
ORIGINAL ::)
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Of course you wouldnt...not when you get your protein directly from the tap.
BOOM!
Elite gets outed for getting his protien straight from the penis ;D
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please do getbig all a favor and stop posting tonight...if we have to read any more of your crap our heads are gonna explode...please turn off your computer and do something else w/ your life
Please do all of getbig a favor and stop posting permanently. We're tired of reading your gaytrolling posts with your inane gay worshiping and lies. Please do your parents a solid and kill yourself to avoid embarrassing them further. They've suffered enough with your constant failures. ;D
Why don't you go look for your fictional fiancee' pics?
:D :D
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ORIGINAL ::)
Original....yet the truth....which makes it worse.
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This is a little off topic, but I noticed you told Ewa to stay away from guar gum. What do you think of this fiber supplement made of hydrolyzed guar gum? www.taiyolucid.com/sunfiber.htm
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Unless Isolyze contains all of it's protein from WPI-97 (that is 97.4% Whey Protein Isolate) there is absolutely no way this product tests out at 0 g fat and 0 g carb with that much protein. I have never seen WPI-97 on it's own (that is not blended with other protein grades) commercially available because it costs way too much money. WPI-97 97% (which is the highest concentrated whey isolate able to be manufactured) contains just 97.4% protein by weight. The remaining 2.6% is made of small amounts of lactose, fat, water and ash (a.k.a. minerals).
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Unless Isolyze contains all of it's protein from WPI-97 (that is 97.4% Whey Protein Isolate) there is absolutely no way this product tests out at 0 g fat and 0 g carb with that much protein. I have never seen WPI-97 on it's own (that is not blended with other protein grades) commercially available because it costs way too much money. WPI-97 97% (which is the highest concentrated whey isolate able to be manufactured) contains just 97.4% protein by weight. The remaining 2.6% is made of small amounts of lactose, fat, water and ash (a.k.a. minerals).
have u seen how expensive isolyze is?? i wouldnt be suprised if he did use that type of protein.
Get a jug of it and test it out scott.
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Please do all of getbig a favor and stop posting permanently. We're tired of reading your gaytrolling posts with your inane gay worshiping and lies. Please do your parents a solid and kill yourself to avoid embarrassing them further. They've suffered enough with your constant failures. ;D
Why don't you go look for your fictional fiancee' pics?
:D :D
did natural fag got ever post the pics of his alleged fiancee after saying he would, or did his boyfriend become camera shy?
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did natural fag got ever post the pics of his alleged fiancee after saying he would, or did his boyfriend become camera shy?
no, he is as he always was a lying gaytroll
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no, he is as he always was a lying gaytroll
Exactly the kind of troll you are regarding John. Still waiting on a pic "elite_lifter" ::)
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Scott has a good point.I have my protein assayed by 2 independent, but very reputable laboratories,Miller Labs,and MVTL Labs.
Most "so-called" Whey Protein Isolates fall flat on there ass when they get tested.I have had raw material suppliers tell me they have a 97-98% Whey Protein Isolate, but when they get assayes most come up anywhere from 89-93%.The highest percentage of protein I have ever seen come up in an assay from a 97% Whey Protein Isolate have was 93.2%.
The problem is I have assayed alot of Whey Protein Isolates from suppliers that would come up as low as 78%.On average most Whey Protein Isolates when properly tested usually assay at around 87-91%.
We do private labeling and contract manufacturing for 14 diffrent companies right now.This one company we do alot of protein for sent us a bottles of Pro Lab Whey Protein Isolate 2lbs container.They wanted us to make them a product that tasted, and was similar to the Pro Lab Whey Protein Isolate.We had it assayed and it came up at 74% protein, which is pretty fat off from 89-90% .Needless to say the company changed there mind when reality hit them.
I have found that there are some Whey Protein brokers, who are not always honest.I have seen assays of so-called Whey Protein Isolates be as low as 71%, yet they claimed it was 90%.
I randomly assay all my protein that comes in to make sure I am getting what I pay for.So far I have only had like 3 batches that were slightly off, and they replaced them.I purchase around 15,0000-40,0000 lbs of protein per month, depending on what we have going on in manufacturing.So I know what I am talking about when it comes to protein.
I will be honest with you most Whey Protein Isolates when tested usually come in at around 85-91% protein, depending on the vendor, and the price you pay.Even if you buy 5000 lbs of Whey protein Isolate the stuff is not cheap.
Thats why Iso-Pure, VP2, Bio-Plex ,and True Protein charge alot for there Whey Protein Isolates, because they are paying alot.If Isolize is really 93% protein it would cost twice as much to make that protein then it would cost to make Nitro-Tech.
The reason for this is Nitro-Tech is only 70% protein,and Whey Protein Isolate costs about 2 times as much as inexpensive Whey Concentrates.
The bottom line is this, stick with reputable companies, that have a good track record.If it sounds to good to be true it usually is
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GetItOnNY knows his shit. He's also known as gh15.
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I am not GH-15 I can promise you that.He has much more drug knowledge them I do
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trust me friend,,,you are him. my software doesn't lie. 8)
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Anyway, we appreciate your advice on all supplements. With both accounts considered, you're probably the very best expert going right now. Thank you again.
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California, I am not GH15, I can promise you that.I have nothing to hide.I dont know who GH15 is, If I did I would tell you.
I beleive in supplements, and the use of supplements, GH15, doesnt have any use for supplements, and thinks everybody is on hormones.
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Shouldn't you be grooming your nephew. ::)
shut up