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if there was originally only a small amount of "matter" condensed to less than the size of a period mark..... how was it "just there" and decided to go "bang"?
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Seeing matter cannot be created or destroyed it always was until inflation caused its rapid expansion
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GOD
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Physicist Neil Turok: Big Bang Wasn't the Beginning
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/qa_turok?currentPage=all (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/qa_turok?currentPage=all)
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DOG
The bounty hunter?
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Seeing matter cannot be created or destroyed it always was until inflation caused its rapid expansion
oh. Well, ok then!
::)
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I think it is just a never ending cycle of big bangs and big collapses.
So, space is collapsing and then for a small amount of time everything ceases to exist.
There is no time, no space, no matter just energy... And then another big bang and with
it there is new time, space etc...
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oh. Well, ok then!
::)
There is evidence to prove this , but who needs evidence? :D
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The bounty hunter?
hey, watch out for that lightning bolt ;D!
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matter cannot be erradicated from this universe, it will always remain.
Thus, I have ended all debate about the creation of our universe and the man-made entity known as time.
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big bang = before getbig
no?
thats how i had it explained to me on a phone consultation
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matter cannot be erradicated from this universe, it will always remain.
Thus, I have ended all debate about the creation of our universe and the man-made entity known as time.
Right ! Witten who?
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thats how i had it explained to me on a phone consultation
MusclePhone?
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the big bang was just the bulk of matter hitting a corner somewhere and bouncing back.
matter's always been there and always will be there. we've always been here and always be there. whatever consciousness is using our flimsy body now will return to the greater being.
I believe the people, the grass, the trees, and every other thing is part of some big energy, and we all go back to it.
more info available on the big bang at www.youporn.com ;)
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I think it is just a never ending cycle of big bangs and big collapses.
So, space is collapsing and then for a small amount of time everything ceases to exist.
There is no time, no space, no matter just energy... And then another big bang and with
it there is new time, space etc...
A cyclic universe answers some of the metaphysical contradictions of a "beginning," but I don't put too much stock in that.
To say that "time began" is a contradiction (as is saying "time ceases to exist"), since a "beginning" implies a time before the occurrence. The same can be said of space (ie, where did space begin?). These neumanal (as opposed to phenomena) entities are therefore infinite by definition. Whether you consider a blank canvas to be a painting, or if it's only a painting as soon as something appears on that canvas, is up to you.
I've heard that quantum mechanics predicts an infinitesimally small chance that matter can spontaneously blink into and out of existence. Don't ask, I don't understand it. But if that is correct, then an infinite amount of time would make such an occurrence an inevitability.
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if there was originally only a small amount of "matter" condensed to less than the size of a period mark..... how was it "just there" and decided to go "bang"?
That small amount of matter took Cell Tech.
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The Fist List
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the big bang was just the bulk of matter hitting a corner somewhere and bouncing back.
matter's always been there and always will be there. we've always been here and always be there. whatever consciousness is using our flimsy body now will return to the greater being.
I believe the people, the grass, the trees, and every other thing is part of some big energy, and we all go back to it.
more info available on the big bang at www.youporn.com ;)
Always good for a reliable link ;)
To put things in perspective...the chances that a huge explosion ended with what you see in the mirror everyday, are similar to winning the lottery....180,000 consecutive days in a row! :-\
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MusclePhone?
exactly...at least someone gets it
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Before the "big bang"?
Everyone stood in line with their test sheets showing they were clean in one hand and a rubber in the other.
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Always good for a reliable link ;)
To put things in perspective...the chances that a huge explosion ended with what you see in the mirror everyday, are similar to winning the lottery....180,000 consecutive days in a row! :-\
But if time is infinite then the chance of it not happening is 0. ;)
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Coach's 7th marriage failing in what we humans would call the 5th dimension...
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But if time is infinite then the chance of it not happening is 0. ;)
Touche!
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But if time is infinite then the chance of it not happening is 0. ;)
Hasn't time been proven to not really be a dimension but something we humans created out of thin air?
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Hasn't time been proven to not really be a dimension but something we humans created out of thin air?
No, I think it's still considered the 4th dimension or something like that.
Tapeworm has a good point, but the problem comes with the definition of "time." Some say without perception, time doesn't exist, hence, before the birth of our universe, time DID NOT exist. In other words, our existence, and perception of time, is merely a disruption in eternity. At USC one of my calculus professors told us about some huge mathematical conference that he was going to where the main topic would be weather or not to take "infinity" out of the textbooks...as no one really knows or understands what happens at infinity. But then you can get into a whole metaphysical debate, you know, how can you believe in "infinity" and not believe in God etc. etc. etc. :-\
But that's a whole can of worms I don't have the energy to debate...I'll stick to the "gayer than" thread thank you very much ;)
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I think it is just a never ending cycle of big bangs and big collapses.
no big collapse is needed. energy spreads out until it is evenly distributed, ie it is zero, then another big bang occurs somewhere in that null.
what is more interesting is that reality does not seem to be analog, but digital. We've known for a while that the smallest distance is the Plank length. Measure any length and it will be some whole number of Plank Lengths. Nothing can be ..and a half Plank Length. Now it seems that the same holds true for time and gravity. Time jumps from one Plank Time to the next. Kind of like if it was a virtual reality running on some massive computer.
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no big collapse is needed. energy spreads out until it is evenly distributed, ie it is zero, then another big bang occurs somewhere in that null.
what is more interesting is that reality does not seem to be analog, but digital. We've known for a while that the smallest distance is the Plank length. Measure any length and it will be some whole number of Plank Lengths. Nothing can be ..and a half Plank Length. Now it seems that the same holds true for time and gravity. Time jumps from one Plank Time to the next. Kind of like if it was a virtual reality running on some massive computer.
Do you believe time travel is possible?
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Hasn't time been proven to not really be a dimension but something we humans created out of thin air?
These "tree falls in the forest" type approaches don't cut much mustard for me. Lots of stuff happened before humans, or any being with the ability to observe, were around.
If your answer is, "Oh yeah? Prove it!" then you would be failing to acknowledge the limitations of observational science, but any physicist, chemist, geologist, etc, would admit that all observational science is perched upon the shoulders of metaphysics (I mean philosophical metaphysics, not spoon-bending tarot card "metaphysics" lol) and not strictly upon observable phenomena. It's more than mere coincidence that the highest educational degree one can achieve in the sciences is a PhD, which is an abbreviation of the Latin for Doctor of Philosophy.
I don't think of time as a "thing" or as something which "exists" in any physical sense (like space itself cannot be observed, but is implied by the existence of an object within it). That's all a dimension really is. It's not something which "exists" in a traditional sense. Rather, it is the background against which other things (objects) exist, and without which those objects could not exist. Time is implied by the existence of phenomena, the continuation of their existence from one moment to the next, and even the coming into being of a first phenomenon (and it therefore precedes that phenomenon).
Fwiw, if you insist on numbering your dimensions, lol, then time would be the first dimension imo, since space continues to exist from moment to moment while time, being a non-physical entity, does not imply the existence of space.
To say that "time began" is a contradiction (as is saying "time ceases to exist"), since a "beginning" implies a time before the occurrence. The same can be said of space (ie, where did space begin?). These neumanal (as opposed to phenomena) entities are therefore infinite by definition. Whether you consider a blank canvas to be a painting, or if it's only a painting as soon as something appears on that canvas, is up to you.
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The one thread relevant to Johnny Falcon and he isn't here.
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These "tree falls in the forest" type approaches don't cut much mustard for me. Lots of stuff happened before humans, or any being with the ability to observe, were around.
If your answer is, "Oh yeah? Prove it!" then you would be failing to acknowledge the limitations of observational science, but any physicist, chemist, geologist, etc, would admit that all observational science is perched upon the shoulders of metaphysics (I mean philosophical metaphysics, not spoon-bending tarot card "metaphysics" lol) and not strictly upon observable phenomena. It's more than mere coincidence that the highest educational degree one can achieve in the sciences is a PhD, which is an abbreviation of the Latin for Doctor of Philosophy.
I don't think of time as a "thing" or as something which "exists" in any physical sense (like space itself cannot be observed, but is implied by the existence of an object within it). That's all a dimension really is. It's not something which "exists" in a traditional sense. Rather, it is the background against which other things (objects) exist, and without which those objects could not exist. Time is implied by the existence of phenomena, the continuation of their existence from one moment to the next, and even the coming into being of a first phenomenon (and it therefore precedes that phenomenon).
Most of that went right over my head(if you don't know, i eat out of trash cans and dance on the streets) With that said, if our eyes are only a hologram device, are we really seeing time,space etc...
In simplier terms, Alex23 is a fatneck muscle bear to 99.9% of all human beings...But to the .01% of those like Sweetmuscles(squadfather), he is a god...which hologram is the real reality? Is it the guy who got pwned by DA and is living in a single wide mobile that would make Bubbles and Ricky envy over or is it the other 99.9% of all other human life form?
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GOD
You like the NRA and the abolishment of abortion clinics and an end to stem cell research and all gay people staying in the closet and 1000's more Americans getting killed for the sake of DEMOCRACY and AMERICA #1, don't you? BIBLE BELT FUNDAMENTALISTIC EVANGELIST that you are ::)
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I think it is just a never ending cycle of big bangs and big collapses.
So, space is collapsing and then for a small amount of time everything ceases to exist.
There is no time, no space, no matter just energy... And then another big bang and with
it there is new time, space etc...
Good contribution newbie.
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matter cannot be erradicated from this universe, it will always remain.
Thus, I have ended all debate about the creation of our universe and the man-made entity known as time.
Since when did your English drastically improve?
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Most of that went right over my head(if you don't know, i eat out of trash cans and dance on the streets) With that said, if our eyes are only a hologram device, are we really seeing time,space etc...
Put it ths way: Time and space aren't objects which can be observed, but we know they exist because we can observe objects within them. The things we're observing couldn't exist without time and space to contain them.
For example, the existence of an apple implies the space within which the apple exists. Remove the space, and there is nowhere for the apple to exist.
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In simplier terms, Alex23 is a fatneck muscle bear to 99.9% of all human beings...But to the .01% of those like Sweetmuscles(squadfather), he is a god...which hologram is the real reality? Is it the guy who got pwned by DA and is living in a single wide mobile that would make Bubbles and Ricky envy over or is it the other 99.9% of all other human life form?
As to your question about the subjectivism of reality, while you might be able to question whether or not the apple is a hallucination, you cannot question if the entire universe, including time and space, is a hallucination since you would still have to exist within it in order to be the "hallucinator." Your existence, just like the apple, indicates that time and space exist. Even if everything you observe is a hallucination, the existence of time and space is a metaphysical certainty.
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Reality check:
Take a serious amount of explosives into the forrest, gather all the materials you need to build a house(furniture, electrical devices etc etc) in a big pile around the explosives. Fire away!
Does anyone think that the materials and the explosives is enough to build a functional house with everything in it?
Hopes this helps ;-)
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Reality check:
Take a serious amount of explosives into the forrest, gather all the materials you need to build a house(furniture, electrical devices etc etc) in a big pile around the explosives. Fire away!
Does anyone think that the materials and the explosives is enough to build a functional house with everything in it?
Hopes this helps ;-)
1. Explosives are not a building material.
2. A thousand Christians at a thousand typewriters would eventually produce something worthwhile. Eventually.
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Jebus...
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The universe version before us got shrinked and shrinked and compressed finaly.
And boom! Extend again. Then new version here.
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if the brightest people in the world havn't figured it out i doubt a getbigger will ::)
over 2000 of the best scientists in europe, spending 16 billion dollar on it so far, are going to figure it out,,, with the particle accelerator...
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A series of smaller bangs...
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no space and time
no body knows what was before the big bang...we just know there was a big bang
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Before the Big Bang...there was the Big Ska-Doosh.
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No, I think it's still considered the 4th dimension or something like that.
Tapeworm has a good point, but the problem comes with the definition of "time." Some say without perception, time doesn't exist, hence, before the birth of our universe, time DID NOT exist. In other words, our existence, and perception of time, is merely a disruption in eternity. At USC one of my calculus professors told us about some huge mathematical conference that he was going to where the main topic would be weather or not to take "infinity" out of the textbooks...as no one really knows or understands what happens at infinity. But then you can get into a whole metaphysical debate, you know, how can you believe in "infinity" and not believe in God etc. etc. etc. :-\
But that's a whole can of worms I don't have the energy to debate...I'll stick to the "gayer than" thread thank you very much ;)
I think that without, YOU, or ME, here on earth to actually PERCIEVE everything going on, nothing would matter anyone because no one would exist to question it. With that said, perhaps us little earthlings arent such a 'small deal' in the whole concept of the universe....
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Alot of foreplay?
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I think that without, YOU, or ME, here on earth to actually PERCIEVE everything going on, nothing would matter anyone because no one would exist to question it. With that said, perhaps us little earthlings arent such a 'small deal' in the whole concept of the universe....
Good point. Does anyone remember the name of the physicist who killed himself after he proved that matter reacts differently when it's being perceived??? LOLOL true story! I think Howie might know who he is. S. Hawking talked about that when he spoke at Bovard (USC)
This stuff can really drive you crazy if you dig too deep :-\
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Good point. Does anyone remember the name of the physicist who killed himself after he proved that matter reacts differently when it's being perceived??? LOLOL true story! I think Howie might know who he is. S. Hawking talked about that when he spoke at Bovard (USC)
This stuff can really drive you crazy if you dig too deep :-\
Maybe someone should have told him, "Calm down Gloria, it's just particle/wave duality."
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Maybe someone should have told him, "Calm down Gloria, it's just particle/wave duality."
;D
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GOD
ha ha ha
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GOD
lol you dumb bastard
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better yet
which came first........the chicken or the egg ?
if you turn on a flash light while going the speed of light, does any light come out ?
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ha ha ha
I'm not religious or anything but laughing at the concept that a "cosmic intelligence" governs the universe is not so far fetched.
The more we come to understand quantum physics the more we realise the likelihood of this.
Do you realy believe we and everything else came to be by pure chance?
ha ha ha..
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Hasn't time been proven to not really be a dimension but something we humans created out of thin air?
yes in the grand scheme of things time is a human invented concept.
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I'm not religious or anything but laughing at the concept that a "cosmic intelligence" governs the universe is not so far fetched.
The more we come to understand quantum physics the more we realise the likelihood of this.
Do you realy believe we and everything else came to be by pure chance?
ha ha ha..
ha ha ha ha
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I guess one cannot speak of the ocean to a frog in a well.
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I guess one cannot speak of the ocean to a frog in a well.
it was "GOD", Moosejay said it.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
Your question is meaningless, since time itself only appeared when matter and energy arose. So there was nothing "before" the Big Bang because there wasn't a "before".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Before the Big Bang there was only a sizzling fuse...
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Only this.
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the fish gods were before man/reptilain
(http://www.thetruthishere.com/dagon.jpg)
this is called "dagon" =dragon
as well with other cultures like africans "people of the serpant"
and asian types with there dragon mythologies/facts
as u can see just like in ancient sumerian culutre the working is toting the bag of gold for planet nibiru
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The Word of God
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(http://www.crystalinks.com/zfishseal.jpg)
(http://www.crystalinks.com/dagon.gif)
more half man half serpants , think of the Sphinx too , u think they just built a big ass half man half beast for nothing?
(http://www.crystalinks.com/glaucus.scylla.jpg)
here is Osiris, he is green and with scales one of the most prominent figures of egypt on bad ass reptilian god
(http://www.crystalinks.com/osiris3.gif)
http://www.crystalinks.com/amphibiousgods.html
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1. Explosives are not a building material.
2. A thousand Christians at a thousand typewriters would eventually produce something worthwhile. Eventually.
Building materials comes from trees. The theory is that you need energy(explosives) material(trees etc) and time. Then there will be a house, with people in it.
Millions of millions of people think that all you need for a bug to become a human is millions of millions of years
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Building materials comes from trees. The theory is that you need energy(explosives) material(trees etc) and time. Then there will be a house, with people in it.
Millions of millions of people think that all you need for a bug to become a human is millions of millions of years
There are plenty of intellectually gifted Christians who are capable of putting forward excellent arguments against evolution. You are not one of them. Kindly stop embarrassing yourself and your fellow Jesus Freaks. Go shuck some corn or something.
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it will be a great day when our ancestors come out from the water or planet nibiru
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There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Eternal Wheel
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There are plenty of intellectually gifted Christians who are capable of putting forward excellent arguments against evolution. You are not one of them. Kindly stop embarrassing yourself and your fellow Jesus Freaks. Go shuck some corn or something.
Too bad you can't see the humor or the common sense in what i wrote, then. As for excellent arguments where are yours?
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Too bad you can't see the humor or the common sense in what i wrote, then. As for excellent arguments where are yours?
It took you four days to come up with that?!
I'm busting your nutz because it grates on me when someone introduces god into a scientific/philosophical discussion. Only a dung shoveling Kansas fundamentalist would see god and science as mutually exclusive.
Repeated insistence on intelligent design does not qualify as humor. Those who enjoy laughing at retards may disagree. Testify!
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It took you four days to come up with that?!
I'm busting your nutz because it grates on me when someone introduces god into a scientific/philosophical discussion. Only a dung shoveling Kansas fundamentalist would see god and science as mutually exclusive.
Repeated insistence on intelligent design does not qualify as humor. Those who enjoy laughing at retards may disagree. Testify!
Well... i have a life and in the weekends i do stuff. English is not my first language so it's not easy to come up with so many insults as you ;)
However i can only point to the obvious, things can not come from it self, there is always a creator. Take your computer for instance, if i told you
that it used to be a donut now it is a mac. Would you believe me? This is easy, this is common sense, the answer is quite clear.
You may believe that science is all about evolution, but it is not. Many scientist believes, based on their studies, that there must be a creator.
I know it is not easy for a getbig "warrior" to have a real discussion. But this is mine thoughts on this and I'm free to express my believes
in here just as you. I have even done this in a civil manner without judging anyone or insulted anyone
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better yet
which came first........the chicken or the egg ?
if you turn on a flash light while going the speed of light, does any light come out ?
yep... the light from the torch will still travel 300,000,000 m/s faster than u.....as if u were standing still
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yep... the light from the torch will still travel 300,000,000 m/s faster than u.....as if u were standing still
that's not true...
at the speed of light everything changes
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that's not true...
at the speed of light everything changes
LOOL...naaa...........ti me changes... the speed of light never changes....its always 300,000,000 m/s
so if im travelling thru space at 1/2 the speed of light(150,000,000 m/s) and i turn on a torch/light beam....
the light will still go 300,000,000 m/s faster than me..... i.e the speed of light is the same no matter how fast ur moving towards it or away from it
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Your question is meaningless, since time itself only appeared when matter and energy arose. So there was nothing "before" the Big Bang because there wasn't a "before".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
bingo
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the light will still go 300,000,000 m/s faster than me..... i.e the speed of light is the same no matter how fast ur moving towards it or away from it
lol, seriously, I'm not making this up...that rule applies to all other velocities, and logic would tell you that to be true, but it's not. :-\
Research it, there's a name for that THEORY as well, but I don't take this board serious enough anymore to "research" for arguments...if you find it though, please share it with us. ;)
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lol, seriously, I'm not making this up...that rule applies to all other velocities, and logic would tell you that to be true, but it's not. :-\
Research it, there's a name for that THEORY as well, but I don't take this board serious enough anymore to "research" for arguments...if you find it though, please share it with us. ;)
heres a clip that will show u what im talkin about......
monstercalves ;)
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heres a clip that will show u what im talkin about......
monstercalves ;)
;)
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Well... i have a life and in the weekends i do stuff. English is not my first language so it's not easy to come up with so many insults as you ;)
However i can only point to the obvious, things can not come from it self, there is always a creator. Take your computer for instance, if i told you
that it used to be a donut now it is a mac. Would you believe me? This is easy, this is common sense, the answer is quite clear.
You may believe that science is all about evolution, but it is not. Many scientist believes, based on their studies, that there must be a creator.
I know it is not easy for a getbig "warrior" to have a real discussion. But this is mine thoughts on this and I'm free to express my believes
in here just as you. I have even done this in a civil manner without judging anyone or insulted anyone
Of course you're entitled to your opinion that there's an invisible man in the sky who created everything but who also planted evidence everywhere to trick us into believing in evolution so that he could send us to hell.
Being free to hold and express foolish opinions doesn't mean that others can't call you a fool.
Anyway, I get the sense that I've been beating up on a retard here and I'm really starting to feel guilty now. You go ahead and have the last word, ok? :)
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GOD
Amen
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Of course you're entitled to your opinion that there's an invisible man in the sky who created everything but who also planted evidence everywhere to trick us into believing in evolution so that he could send us to hell.
Being free to hold and express foolish opinions doesn't mean that others can't call you a fool.
Anyway, I get the sense that I've been beating up on a retard here and I'm really starting to feel guilty now. You go ahead and have the last word, ok? :)
So far you haven't come up with one argument. Where is that evidence you are talking about? Take a look outside your computer and do research on this subject, and use your common sense. Wish you all the best.
djohnsen