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It's a demonstrable fact that the air quality in Beijing sucks. So, the cyclists wore masks upon their arrival.
Would you apologize for putting your health first??
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXOmVhbdj0EjvdesduJBrt0han5w
Masked US cyclists apologize to Olympic organizers
BEIJING (AFP) — Four US cyclists who wore masks over their nose and mouths over pollution fears when arriving in Beijing apologized Wednesday to Olympic organizers, US Olympic Committee chief executive Jim Scherr said.
Mike Friedman, Bobby Lea, Sarah Hammer and Jennie Reed were among about 200 athletes from an American delegation of 596 who were issued masks by their US sport governing body to combat pollution in Beijing.
"They've now seen how their actions have been perceived," Scherr said, after footage of the four arriving on Tuesday was run prominently by international news channels.
"They were very eager to take the right action, which was to apologize to their hosts."
But US officials said they would not ban US athletes from using masks to combat pollution, whether in sports events or not, if they felt it was needed because of air quality conditions.
"They have the right to wear masks if they feel it's in their best interest to do so," Scherr said. "Hopefully they won't have to use them and the air quality will be good."
US Olympic officials released the apology statement from the foursome, who said the masks were not meant as an environmental statement.
"We offer our sincere apologies to BOCOG, the city of Beijing, and the people of China if our actions were in any way offensive. That was not our intent," the message read.
"The wearing of protective masks upon our arrival into Beijing was strictly a precautionary measure we as athletes chose to take, and was in no way meant to serve as an environmental or political statement.
"We deeply regret the nature of our choices. Our decision was not intended to insult BOCOG or countless others who have put forth a tremendous amount of effort to improve the air quality in Beijing.
"We look forward to putting this incident behind us while we prepare for our competition next week."
The perception that Beijing's pollution, which prompted a shutdown of factories and reduction in auto travel during the Olympics, was so harmful that Olympians needed masks on arrival was seen as a slap in the face to organizers.
"You never want to go to somebody else's place and cause any embarrassment and in this case some of them did," said USOC chairman Peter Ueberroth, who said the cyclists apologized without prompting from US Olympic officials.
"We're not chastizing anybody. They came forward of their own volition."
US cyclists wore the masks in the airport before even being exposed to the Beijing air over concerns that extra exposure to pollution might affect their breathing and therefore diminish their results in Olympic cycling events.
"It probably wasn't the most opportune time for these athletes to wear these masks," Scherr said. "They were overly cautious. Those athletes have written an apology to BOCOG."
Scherr noted that fractions of seconds can decide the fate of the competitors involved and that each was simply looking for every possible edge by wearing the masks as a precaution.
"It wasn't in the best judgment at the time," he said. "We believe, hopefully, this will be the last incident of this kind."
Steve Roush, the US Olympic chief of sport performance, met with the cyclists regarding their using the respiratory masks, which have an air filter within them. Any US governing body seeking masks were provided with them.
"It's not a very fancy device," Ueberroth said.
Roush also said air quality has improved every day in Beijing so far.
"The trend is the direction we wanted to see it go," he said. "Clearly it's a direction BOCOG and the IOC wanted to see."
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they shouldn't have the Olympics in shithole cities like that anyway.
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They should apologize for being such sissies
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STRANGE....American cities are more polluted than Beiging yet no one in america dons a mask!!!... Hmmmm... more american disrespect as I see it. Add to this america in general produces more pollution than China and is therefore more polluted than China yet says nothing about it. Neither is the question of air quality in america raised. THen again like the First Responders of the World Trade who are now dying...It is the policy in america to not say anything but rather let the people suffer and die and when the patient questions the sickness and the reason for it...make sure that the patient is made to feel like it is there fault or that they were predisposed to the ailment.
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STRANGE....American cities are more polluted than Beiging yet no one in america dons a mask!!!... Hmmmm... more american disrespect as I see it. Add to this america in general produces more pollution than China and is therefore more polluted than China yet says nothing about it. Neither is the question of air quality in america raised. THen again like the First Responders of the World Trade who are now dying...It is the policy in america to not say anything but rather let the people suffer and die and when the patient questions the sickness and the reason for it...make sure that the patient is made to feel like it is there fault or that they were predisposed to the ailment.
wrong not one American city is close to as polluted to as Beijing. ALso its Beijing not beiging. You should really step foot in America before you comment on the air here because its good, im sure its a lot better then the crap hole country you come from.
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Ever been to China? There's so much shit in the air. It smells like rotting flesh in numerous places. What a craphole country for the Olympics.
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STRANGE....American cities are more polluted than Beiging yet no one in america dons a mask!!!... Hmmmm... more american disrespect as I see it. Add to this america in general produces more pollution than China and is therefore more polluted than China yet says nothing about it. Neither is the question of air quality in america raised. THen again like the First Responders of the World Trade who are now dying...It is the policy in america to not say anything but rather let the people suffer and die and when the patient questions the sickness and the reason for it...make sure that the patient is made to feel like it is there fault or that they were predisposed to the ailment.
It's not just pollution.
In an effort to control smog and even rain, China's govt is releasing anti-smog pellets into the air.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23526402-details/China+fires+anti-smog+pellets+into+the+sky+over+Beijing+...+as+earthquake+hits+province/article.do
They're also releasing millions of tons of aluminum oxide into the atmosphere in an attempt to force clouds to burn out (rain) before the events. So a lot of people, particularly world-class athletes who make their living with their lungs, are wary of the millions of tons of *METAL* that are in the air with the sole purposes of making the air APPEAR clearer.
China does it, germany does it, they both admit it. The US does it but doesn't talk about it. Simply dumping metal "dust" into the atmosphere can cause clouds to grow or rain or behave in other fashions. In a world where the temperature is rising and water is scarcer, being able to manipulate temperature and rainfall could be a great thing. On the other hand, alimunim oxide in the air can be rough on mental function and can speed up occurence of alzheimers.
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wrong not one American city is close to as polluted to as Beijing. ALso its Beijing not beiging. You should really step foot in America before you comment on the air here because its good, im sure its a lot better then the crap hole country you come from.
OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...
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China should be bombed - afterwards trees planted.... huge forests that provide good oxygen for the world.
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China should be bombed - afterwards trees planted.... huge forests that provide good oxygen for the world.
Please spare the massage parlours. I need the massage parlours. Maybe we can use smart bombs.
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Good for them...most of these distance athletes MUST take things like that into account. Which is why most of them train in the mountains for both the atmospheric pressure difference and because of the lack of pollution.
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Please spare the massage parlours. I need the massage parlours. Maybe we can use smart bombs.
None shall survive - get your aids elsewhere.
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america is the light & leader of the world.....
nay sayers = jealousy
all countries covet american soil & american ways.
China is case in point. after their populace living behind their walls for so long, the people see the american way of life and they want it to. Car in the driveway, 2.5 kids.... that is a fact for the rise in oil consumption.... it's project that within next year or two chinas people will be buying automobiles, to the tune of around 400 million more cars on their streets and that many more to sip from the oil barrel.
if america is so bad as the international community tries to make people think..... why is so many countries copying the US,
BECAUSE EVERYONE FOLLOWS THE LEADER.......... ie., of course the USA.
1000% proud to be made in the USA..... NY to be exact. 8)
the greatest country in the world.
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Free Tibet!
And hand off Taiwan !
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Haha of course america should apologize China owns enough US currency to destroy their economy. In fact China and Japan basically own half of america by buying up vast amounts of currency hahaha nice one yanks! Bow down to your asian masters!
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Haha of course america should apologize China owns enough US currency to destroy their economy. In fact China and Japan basically own half of america by buying up vast amounts of currency hahaha nice one yanks!bush administration! Bow down to your asian masters!
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america is the light & leader of the world.....
nay sayers = jealousy
all countries covet american soil & american ways.
China is case in point. after their populace living behind their walls for so long, the people see the american way of life and they want it to. Car in the driveway, 2.5 kids.... that is a fact for the rise in oil consumption.... it's project that within next year or two chinas people will be buying automobiles, to the tune of around 400 million more cars on their streets and that many more to sip from the oil barrel.
if america is so bad as the international community tries to make people think..... why is so many countries copying the US,
BECAUSE EVERYONE FOLLOWS THE LEADER.......... ie., of course the USA.
1000% proud to be made in the USA..... NY to be exact. 8)
the greatest country in the world.
quoted for truth
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OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...
Here you go dumbass, http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1661031_1661028,00.html
Where is the US in this?? I think it is you that has a lot to learn. ::)
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Here you go dumbass, http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1661031_1661028,00.html
Where is the US in this?? I think it is you that has a lot to learn. ::)
He's just another hater who is living in a land of make believe.
Saying that Los Angeles has this "terrible" pollution problem makes them feel better about whatever shithole they live in.
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Has China apologized for reneging on pretty much every single promise they made regarding free speech and human rights that won them the right to host the Olympics? ???
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OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...
Ignorant. Our air quality in this country is pretty solid, maybe even better than Europe's, for the sole reason that diesel cars and trucks make up the over whelming majority of the vehicles on the road, plus their automobile emission standards aren't nearly as strict as ours.
China is a polluted mess, in an attempt to spur industrial development/power generation at a rapid pace they have stripped any semblance of environmental standards. They are actually the worlds #1 producer of CO2 now. Your utter ignorance is underlined by the fact that you brought up LA as some straw man to use as a fulcrum for your "argument" LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains, much in the same way Denver is which shares some of the same problems. The polluted air just sits above the city b/c the wind that would normally push it out is blocked by the mountains. Also, because LA and California has much stricter environmental controls than the rest of the US (which is saying something) their air quality in the city has actually been improving over the last 12-20 years.
China is a fucking environmental disaster area that is in a class all its own. Stop trying to spear the U.S. with your ignorant arguments. I don't believe you are a gimmick because you have been consistently stupid since you've been here.
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Has China apologized for reneging on pretty much every single promise they made regarding free speech and human rights that won them the right to host the Olympics? ???
If by apologizing you mean throwing the dissidents and protesters in a forced labor camp or prison for half their life, than yes, they have sincerely apologized...
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Ignorant. Our air quality in this country is pretty solid, maybe even better than Europe's, for the sole reason that diesel cars and trucks make up the over whelming majority of the vehicles on the road, plus their automobile emission standards aren't nearly as strict as ours.
China is a polluted mess, in an attempt to spur industrial development/power generation at a rapid pace they have stripped any semblance of environmental standards. They are actually the worlds #1 producer of CO2 now. Your utter ignorance is underlined by the fact that you brought up LA as some straw man to use as a fulcrum for your "argument" LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains, much in the same way Denver is which shares some of the same problems. The polluted air just sits above the city b/c the wind that would normally push it out is blocked by the mountains. Also, because LA and California has much stricter environmental controls than the rest of the US (which is saying something) their air quality in the city has actually been improving over the last 12-20 years.
China is a fucking environmental disaster area that is in a class all its own. Stop trying to spear the U.S. with your ignorant arguments. I don't believe you are a gimmick because you have been consistently stupid since you've been here.
post of the month
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Does anyone else see the irony here of the Americans taking a 'holier than thou' attitude when America was the biggest CO2 producer for years, they are still per capita the largest CO2 producer in the world and they don't exactly have the best humans rights record themselves. Haha what a joke you yanks need to wake up and stop being so delusional.
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I still don't understand how Toronto lost the bid to Beijing
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China is smart. Most countries with goods that America needs do trades. They'll send the US Oil and the US sends arms and other shit. Well China asks for greenbacks and nothing else. So year after year after year the US gives china billions upon billions and don't realize that China is just holding onto the cash. They aren't spending it, they aren't trading it, they're simply holding on. Now they have so much American money that if they wanted to unload it on the open market that the US dollar would sink into the pennies crippling the economy. Would China do this? Maybe but not yet. They don't want to kill their biggest addict of "made in china" goods. America is hooked on chinese goods and China being the big pusher is selling it and selling it.
Candizzle claimed Bush but this isn't a Bush thing. America has been hooked on chinese goods for decades paying them cold hard cash for shitty made junk from china.
CHina sooner of later is going to fuck the US in the ass and America will be too blind to see it because they are too busy chasing after a ghost named Osama and fighting war with Arab countries. Fucking America is on its last legs. Its like the rise and fall of the Roman empire.
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China is smart. Most countries with goods that America needs do trades. They'll send the US Oil and the US sends arms and other shit. Well China asks for greenbacks and nothing else. So year after year after year the US gives china billions upon billions and don't realize that China is just holding onto the cash. They aren't spending it, they aren't trading it, they're simply holding on. Now they have so much American money that if they wanted to unload it on the open market that the US dollar would sink into the pennies crippling the economy. Would China do this? Maybe but not yet. They don't want to kill their biggest addict of "made in china" goods. America is hooked on chinese goods and China being the big pusher is selling it and selling it.
Candizzle claimed Bush but this isn't a Bush thing. America has been hooked on chinese goods for decades paying them cold hard cash for shitty made junk from china.
CHina sooner of later is going to fuck the US in the ass and America will be too blind to see it because they are too busy chasing after a ghost named Osama and fighting war with Arab countries. Fucking America is on its last legs. Its like the rise and fall of the Roman empire.
If they do that, then their economy will sink into oblivion as well. Our demand for their goods will not be replaced, our countries are interlocked at this point. I see what your saying, but it would be foolish for them to do so as our trade imbalance pretty much fuels close to 100% of their growth.
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Pffffft. Harry Whittington apologized after getting shot by Dick Cheney!? I can't explain the world any better than you guys! It's farked. ???
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do masks even help?
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If by apologizing you mean throwing the dissidents and protesters in a forced labor camp or prison for half their life,
They make protesters get married?
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They make protesters get married?
Yes, I guess they should give them an option box to check that read "Sledgehammer to the Face", it would be more humanitarian that way.
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Ever see travel shows about china? They always show the same 5 five things, tieneman square, the great wall, the forbidden city, pandas, and the Yang Tse river. They regulate what and where foreigners can film. have you seen footage of where the regular poor people live or where the rich live? They don't allow anyone else to see what China is really like. Have you ever seen photos of all of the Chinese factories? Nope. The mask the country so that people don't know what horrors lie inside. They don't even let most chinese people see what their country is like because they regulate all tv and media. FUcked up country.
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Ignorant.
HELLO STUPID
Our air quality in this country is pretty solid,
YES YOUR POLLUTED AIR IS SO SOLID THAT YOU PRACTICALLY HAVE TO SCOOP IT OUT FROM IN FRONT OF YOU AND PUSH IT INTO YOUR LUNGS
maybe even better than Europe's
EUROPEAN NATION USES BUFFERS AND CLEANSING DEVICES TO KEEP POLLUTION DOWN...SOMETHING AMERICA REFUSES TO DO.
or the sole reason that diesel cars and trucks make up the over whelming majority of the vehicles on the road,
EUROPE USES DIESEL BECAUSE FOR YEARS DIESEL HAS BEEN CHEAPER THAN GAS(NOT ANYMORE)
plus their automobile emission standards aren't nearly as strict as ours.
EUROPE DEPENDS HEAVILY ON TRAINS FOR TRAVEL AND THEREFORE AVOIDS MUCH OF THE AUTOMOBILE POLLUTION THAT AMERICA HAS IN ITS CITIES BECASUE OF CAR USAGE...BY THE WAY ONLY CALIFORNIA HAS THOSE STRICT STANDARDS
China is a polluted mess,
LIKE AMERICA
in an attempt to spur industrial development/power generation at a rapid pace they have stripped any semblance of environmental standards.
AMERICA HAS ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT TO AVOID THE POLLUTION BUT REFUSES TO USE IT
They are actually the worlds #1 producer of CO2 now...
TA TA TA..IT IS STILL AMERICA
Your utter ignorance is underlined by the fact that you brought up LA as some straw man to use as a fulcrum for your "argument" LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains, much in the same way Denver is which shares some of the same problems.
THE GEOLOGICAL CONDITIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY PRODUCES A LOT OF POLLUTION CALIFORNIA HAS THE HIGHEST CAR TO PERSON RATIO IN THE COUNTRY
The polluted air just sits above the city b/c the wind that would normally push it out is blocked by the mountains.
WHERE WOULD THE WIND PUSH THIS POLLUTION?...TO NEVADA, ARIZONA COLORADO WHICH WILL MAKE THOSE STATES POLLUTED WITH THE POLLUTION OF CALIFORNIA!!!
also, because LA and California has much stricter environmental controls than the rest of the US (which is saying something) their air quality in the city has actually been improving over the last 12-20 years.
THE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS IN AMERICA ARE PRETTY LAME AND ARE OVERLOOKED BY NEARLY EVERY MAJOR MANUFACTURER...THANK YOU BUSH. AND EVEN WITH THE STRICTER AIR STANDARDS IN CALI...IT IS STILL A PLACE WITH UNBELIEVABLE POLLUTION
China is a fucking environmental disaster area that is in a class all its own
JUST LIKE AMERICA
Stop trying to spear the U.S. with your ignorant arguments.
OH I SEE YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE FLAG WAVING IDIOTS THAT ACTUALLY SAYS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE..ACK..GAG..GA SP..SAY IT AINT SO. I AM NOT BLINDING MYSELF TO THE ILLS OF AMERICA FOR THE SAKE OF BEING... EH HEM..PATRIOTIC..ACK, GASP, CHOKE, PUKE.
I don't believe you are a gimmick
WHO SAID I WAS A GIMMICK?...LIKE COCA COLA I AM THE REAL THING.
because you have been consistently stupid since you've been here.
I HAVE BEEN INSULTED BY CRUSTATIONS WITH A HIGHER IQ THAN YOURS...DON'T TRY TO GET CUTE.
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The haze over the Bird's Nest possesses the air quality of a smoker's lung, and yet a group of spin artists on the Beijing scene Wednesday declared a blue-sky vision without a single catch in their throats.
"Every time you turn your head," one messenger said, "you see something beautiful."
Yes, once the Visine kicks in you'll find any sign of decay or poverty within the pan of a camera has been walled off by Chinese officials obsessed with political appearances. But the Olympic masters sitting at a podium for a press conference in matching blazers refused to recognize what lies beneath the Communist regime's welcome mat.
Who were these pushers of the People's Republic behind the dais? They weren't official greeters from the Beijing Games machinery. They were leaders of the United States Olympic Committee, all but sitting on the knee of the host city, in ventriloquist doll pose, issuing talking points made in China. The architecture is divine, the food exquisite and the accommodations luxe. It's a pop-up city marvel.
"If I were to issue a gold medal," USOC Chairman Peter Ueberroth gushed, "I'd issue one to the people [of Beijing]."
On every hot-button issue (Joey Cheek's visa hocus-pocus), and even the tepid ones (medal-count mania), the USOC executives said exactly what Beijing organizers wanted them to say until it was actually un-American. The USOC was sorry -- so very sorry -- that its band of cyclists embarrassed China by arriving at the Beijing airport wearing black pollution masks that made them look like stage-coach robbers.
"It wasn't the best judgment," said Jim Scherr, CEO of the USOC. "The athletes understand that now."
You can understand the athletes' confusion, though. The USOC did design the filter masks, distribute 200 of them to athletes and, by simple math, surely knew a few of them might wear them. Just not at the airport, in front of cameras.
The USOC made sure the cyclists understood this breach of guest etiquette by scolding them to tears, eliciting an official apology from Michael Friedman, Sarah Hammer, Bobby Lea and Jennie Reed: "Following our arrival on Tuesday, we offer our sincere apologies to BOCOG, the city of Beijing, and the people of China if our actions were in any way offensive. That was not our intent. ... We deeply regret the nature of our choices. Our decision was not intended to insult BOCOG or countless others who have put forth a tremendous amount of effort to improve the air quality in Beijing."
Why did the cyclists' sorrow sound like a confessional coerced beneath a naked light bulb? In playing by China's rules the USOC acted as if it had adopted the host nation's rigid mores, its inflexible ethos. "We accepted an invitation," said Ueberroth. "We have the ability not to go."
This is a false choice. The invitation was to the Summer Games, not a masquerade ball where every country dresses up like propaganda tools and plays along with the host's ideology for 17 days. So why did Ueberroth sound like a pitch man for the new China's old ways?
For one, he makes it clear that he owes China for saving the 1984 Olympics -- or the Peter Ueberroth Summer Games as its organizer -- when the Chinese government broke with the Soviet Union boycott and arrived in Los Angeles. It changed everything, Ueberroth kept saying. Several times during the lengthy press conference, Ueberroth expressed his gratitude to China, letting his personal thank you turn into perpetual debt service to the nation. (Note to Peter: Move on.)
There was also another, perhaps far more important, reason for the USOC to play nice with China: fear of retribution for criticizing the Beijing Games. The Americans are already on edge about the medal count, knowing they could fall short of expectations and short of China, and would not want to compromise the outcome of any event by agitating the hosts.
It may sound far-fetched, but this is the Olympics, home to French judge scandals in ice skating and doping cheats worldwide. Conspiracy theories are part of the Games. But paranoia should not seed an excuse for Ueberroth -- or anyone from the USOC -- to self-censor their American dignity in order to step lightly around China because every topic is a tripwire to Beijing's sensitive psyche.
"[No one] is trying to change the world," said Ueberroth. And yet isn't the promise of change -- including a vow of clean air -- why China received the Olympics in the first place? Anyone with a drop of Visine can see that.
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OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
I live in Edison New Jersey. The air is very good. The reasons for problems the town has had to do with superfund sites. The soil being contaminated where the government or major business closed down. The EPA and businesses are required to clean up those sites.
I wouldn't consider the pollution level in Edison as the same in Beijing.
Sandra
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OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
I live in Edison New Jersey. The air is very good. The reasons for problems the town has had to do with superfund sites. The soil being contaminated where the government or major business closed down. The EPA and businesses are required to clean up those sites.
I wouldn't consider the pollution level in Edison as the same in Beijing.
Sandra
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Meltdown.
Oh, and with LA, geography has much to do with it. Yes it has the highest car to person ratio, but LA is walled in by mountains so the polluted air hangs over the city, it can't be moved easily because the prevailing winds are blocked by the mountains. It's a fact and one that is well known. You seem to like cherry picking a bunch of shit and throwing out there, your ramblings prove hallow, and people are right to laugh you off this board.
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And the fact that you are trying to equate China environmental/air quality with ours or any other civilized nation for that matter, shows how idiotic and desperate you are. mon of steele is right, they show you what they want you to see, China is still a semi- 3rd world country with most of its population living in squalor in it's vast rural areas. For the Olympics they had cut the amount of cars on the by half so they limited the people to odd and even days, they shut down or limited the time factories could be in operations, they had to clean up the giant algae blooms as well, the list goes on. The country is an environmental mess and it will continue to get worse. Now you have no idea what you're talking about, or you do, but you've been bitch slapped and have no other choice but to charge ahead. I'm not saying the U.S. is the zenith of environmental practices but to compare them to China shows you to be an idiot. You seem very jealous of the US, you can't go a discussion without hating and rambling on about it, it seems Uncle Sam is in your empty skull.
Oh, and China is the worlds #1 producer of Co2....
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm)
Hope this helps....
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And the fact that you are trying to equate China environmental/air quality with ours or any other civilized nation for that matter, shows how idiotic and desperate you are. mon of steele is right, they show you what they want you to see, China is still a semi- 3rd world country with most of its population living in squalor in it's vast rural areas. For the Olympics they had cut the amount of cars on the by half so they limited the people to odd and even days, they shut down or limited the time factories could be in operations, they had to clean up the giant algae blooms as well, the list goes on. The country is an environmental mess and it will continue to get worse. Now you have no idea what you're talking about, or you do, but you've been bitch slapped and have no other choice but to charge ahead. I'm not saying the U.S. is the zenith of environmental practices but to compare them to China shows you to be an idiot. You seem very jealous of the US, you can't go a discussion without hating and rambling on about it, it seems Uncle Sam is in your empty skull.
Oh, and China is the worlds #1 producer of Co2....
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm)
Hope this helps....
You just wrote a novel. :o
Do you feel passionate about this topic?
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YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...
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You just wrote a novel. :o
Do you feel passionate about this topic?
I consider myself to be an informed citizen. I'm no blind patriot, but when people from other countries spout of ignorant crap, it tends to irk me. Now if someone spouted some informed crap, than I would be cool. He is just trying far to hard.
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do the masks help or are they there for psychological reasons?
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Competitive cyclist that act like they care about "air quality." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Fags.
If they really cared, they wouldn't go. Idiots.
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do the masks help or are they there for psychological reasons?
They help to absorb the toxins better.
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I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people. I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining. I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America. Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.
Oh muscle centre, Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.
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I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people. I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining. I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America. Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.
Oh muscle centre, Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.
Oh the irony.
Anyways, I find it entertaining that you are calling other peoples observations "propaganda", after all, you live in the center of one hell of a giant propaganda machine.
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I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people. I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining. I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America. Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.
Oh muscle centre, Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.
Please feel free to never leave there
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Why didn't they just go all out and hold the Olympics in North Korea? ???
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the olympics is for bitches
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Why didn't they just go all out and hold the Olympics in North Korea? ???
Good question, I don't think the DPRK would allow any cameras into the country though.
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the olympics is for bitches
Honestly, In my whole life I've only watched them about 3 minutes total.
Some people get so excited.... :P
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Honestly, In my whole life I've only watched them about 3 minutes total.
Some people get so excited.... :P
yes,
one time i turned it on because i heard ALI was going to run with the torch and i knew he was mentally retarded now and i wanted a laugh.
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yes,
one time i turned it on because i heard ALI was going to run with the torch and i knew he was mentally retarded now and i wanted a laugh.
Cold. But this board needs more of it.
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yes,
one time i turned it on because i heard ALI was going to run with the torch and i knew he was mentally retarded now and i wanted a laugh.
haha, I think that was the three minutes I watched. ;D
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Now these people knew how to host the Olympics! ;D ;D
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the best organized olympics since the days of aristotle
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Tibet is free now under Chinese control...
Were you educated in America?
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Now these people knew how to host the Olympics! ;D ;D
Having the Olympics in that place at that time marked one of the greatest events in world history.
Jesse Owens' achievements would not have had nearly the impact if the Games had taken place somewhere else.
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Now these people knew how to host the Olympics! ;D ;D
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Speaking of MattC.... 8)
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Having the Olympics in that place at that time marked one of the greatest events in world history.
Jesse Owens' achievements would not have had nearly the impact if the Games had taken place somewhere else.
Great point, to see the look on Hitlers face when Jesse Ownes destroyed his "supermen"...somebody got put to death that week. Also, the guy that Owens beat in the Long Jump or something, he got sent off to Africa where he was killed in combat.
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OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution
YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...
I live in Bangkok but work for an LA based company, so I travel to LA a lot. I usually stay just 4 or 5 miles from LAX in El Segundo. I have lived in Knoxville TN too.
One thing I love about the trips to LA is how CLEAN the air is compared to Bangkok - I love to get up early & go for a run and I can run faster & futher because of the better air quality.
I am sure LA & other American cities have their problems but these are nothing compared to places like Bangkok & Beijing where the air is like soup.
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China is a controlling corrupt communistic republic. They control the tv just like they do in Iran and Iraq. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to live there. Granted, we have a fucked up government right now, but I would rather live right here under the red white and blue.
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China stinks like roting flesh. Nothing like those smelly fish markets and spit everywhere. the place is a zoo.
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Ignorant. Our air quality in this country is pretty solid, maybe even better than Europe's, for the sole reason that diesel cars and trucks make up the over whelming majority of the vehicles on the road, plus their automobile emission standards aren't nearly as strict as ours.
China is a polluted mess, in an attempt to spur industrial development/power generation at a rapid pace they have stripped any semblance of environmental standards. They are actually the worlds #1 producer of CO2 now. Your utter ignorance is underlined by the fact that you brought up LA as some straw man to use as a fulcrum for your "argument" LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains, much in the same way Denver is which shares some of the same problems. The polluted air just sits above the city b/c the wind that would normally push it out is blocked by the mountains. Also, because LA and California has much stricter environmental controls than the rest of the US (which is saying something) their air quality in the city has actually been improving over the last 12-20 years.
China is a fucking environmental disaster area that is in a class all its own. Stop trying to spear the U.S. with your ignorant arguments. I don't believe you are a gimmick because you have been consistently stupid since you've been here.
Well said...and true.
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STRANGE....American cities are more polluted than Beiging yet no one in america dons a mask!!!... Hmmmm... more american disrespect as I see it. Add to this america in general produces more pollution than China and is therefore more polluted than China yet says nothing about it. Neither is the question of air quality in america raised. THen again like the First Responders of the World Trade who are now dying...It is the policy in america to not say anything but rather let the people suffer and die and when the patient questions the sickness and the reason for it...make sure that the patient is made to feel like it is there fault or that they were predisposed to the ailment.
Funny you say that because i live in a town that borders a city where there are a TON of Asians (the city used to be completely white) since about the mid/late 80's...anyhow, all i see is their masks, visors, ect...anything to cover up their face.
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Oh the irony.
Anyways, I find it entertaining that you are calling other peoples observations "propaganda", after all, you live in the center of one hell of a giant propaganda machine.
No that would be the USA! The Chinese government is quite open with its people. Once again a ignorant comment from someone who has not lived or visited China.
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Please feel free to never leave there
Is there something idoit? ???
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Here you go dumbass, http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1661031_1661028,00.html
Where is the US in this?? I think it is you that has a lot to learn. ::)
SAMSON is as dumb as a brick. I don't even look at his posts anymore.
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No that would be the USA! The Chinese government is quite open with its people. Once again a ignorant comment from someone who has not lived or visited China.
You mean they "open" up the re-education camps and forced labor camps to all the dare to speak freely about govt. policy? You are living in a fantasy world, or that you are one of the "minders" that strikers up conversations with people in an attempt to see if they are harboring any "dangerous" ideas...ones that would qualify them for a lovely and relaxing 3 year stint in a lavish 4 star re-education camp....
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The Chinese government is quite open with its people.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Dude what are you high on. And before you start the never lived or visited crap I worked in the Jing for 2 years
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You mean they "open" up the re-education camps and forced labor camps to all the dare to speak freely about govt. policy? You are living in a fantasy world, or that you are one of the "minders" that strikers up conversations with people in an attempt to see if they are harboring any "dangerous" ideas...ones that would qualify them for a lovely and relaxing 3 year stint in a lavish 4 star re-education camp....
We have those too. We just call them prison. We have over 2,000 of them and they currently hold 2,370,000 people. That number is correct 2,370,000 people in US prisons. China has nothing on the US when it comes to oppressing & enslaving their own citizens.
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Liberals ::)
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China is smart. Most countries with goods that America needs do trades. They'll send the US Oil and the US sends arms and other shit. Well China asks for greenbacks and nothing else. So year after year after year the US gives china billions upon billions and don't realize that China is just holding onto the cash. They aren't spending it, they aren't trading it, they're simply holding on. Now they have so much American money that if they wanted to unload it on the open market that the US dollar would sink into the pennies crippling the economy. Would China do this? Maybe but not yet. They don't want to kill their biggest addict of "made in china" goods. America is hooked on chinese goods and China being the big pusher is selling it and selling it.
Candizzle claimed Bush but this isn't a Bush thing. America has been hooked on chinese goods for decades paying them cold hard cash for shitty made junk from china.
CHina sooner of later is going to fuck the US in the ass and America will be too blind to see it because they are too busy chasing after a ghost named Osama and fighting war with Arab countries. Fucking America is on its last legs. Its like the rise and fall of the Roman empire.
The Cycle of Democracy
In proportion as the structure of government
gives force to public opinion, it is essential
that public opinion should be enlightened.
George Washington
About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler; a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The Average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Population of counties won by: Gore-127 Million; Bush-143 Million;
Square miles of land won by: Gore-580,000; Bush-2,427,000
State won by: Gore:19; Bush:29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore-13.2; Bush-2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare…" The difference in the 2004 was even more in favor of Bush!
Olsen believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40% of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
What brings empires down is the empires themselves. There is a never ending cycle that leads from destruction to rebirth and back again to start the process over. The wisest words of wisdom are: "And this too shall pass." As in all things, this will pass and we will go back full circle.
None are more hopelessy enslaved
than those who falsely believe they are free.
Goethe
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Dude what are you high on. And before you start the never lived or visited crap I worked in the Jing for 2 years
What Jing may that be dumb ass?
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You mean they "open" up the re-education camps and forced labor camps to all the dare to speak freely about govt. policy? You are living in a fantasy world, or that you are one of the "minders" that strikers up conversations with people in an attempt to see if they are harboring any "dangerous" ideas...ones that would qualify them for a lovely and relaxing 3 year stint in a lavish 4 star re-education camp....
You are even more stupid and ignorant than I first thought. You have np fucking idea dumb ass
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Is there something idoit? ???
The only 'something' is that you should return the name 'Michael'
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What Jing may that be dumb ass?
Easy with the name calling slanty.
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What Jing may that be dumb ass?
Everyone knows the 'Jing' you dumbass.
Oz, you just lost AA your cred right there.
Doesn't even know the Jing, for crapsakes
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The only 'something' is that you should return the name 'Michael'
Why is that? It is the name I have been given by my parents.
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Everyone knows the 'Jing' you dumbass.
Oz, you just lost AA your cred right there.
Doesn't even know the Jing, for crapsakes
Wewll Eistien there is more than 1 city in China that ends in Jing ( The word JIng have special refeerence to be included in a name of the city, but you would know that!) You call yourself an intellegent person.
Guess I won't be making The MoosJay approved list? ( thank god)
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Easy with the name calling slanty.
Who are you calling slanty? I am an of Irish decent. Unlike most Americians I have a love an appreciation of different cultures. Only one continues to show it's ignorance no matter country I've been in.
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Why is that? It is the name I have been given by my parents.
Micheal is a fine name, a Biblical name, even a name of an Archangel. 8)
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Micheal is a fine name, a Biblical name, even a name of an Archangel. 8)
I know and that is why my parents gave it to me. I prefer to use it when I deal in China, but there are times when I must revert to my given Chinese name. Makes communication easier.
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What Jing may that be dumb ass?
Wow easy to get you cheesed off huh. There's the Irish temper we know and love! Dunno what you are doing in China, maybe you had your in banging some lovely working girl from Jinquan, still 300 yuan for a blowie?
If you honestly think China is a transparent, open society you are as thick as two short planks. It might be a beautiful country with some wonderful people, but to say things like THE JING (oh my I did it again) is not polluted is just bollocks. Either way enjoy your time there.
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We have those too. We just call them prison. We have over 2,000 of them and they currently hold 2,370,000 people. That number is correct 2,370,000 people in US prisons. China has nothing on the US when it comes to oppressing & enslaving their own citizens.
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That's the dumbest thing I think I have ever read on here.
Prison is where you go when you break the law. In China, you go to forced labor camps and re-education camps because you aren't thinking the way the govt. wants you to think. No similarities there, no moral relativism.
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Wewll Eistien there is more than 1 city in China that ends in Jing ( The word JIng have special refeerence to be included in a name of the city, but you would know that!) You call yourself an intellegent person.
No, just call myself a person very different than you.
Guess I won't be making The MoosJay approved list? ( thank god)
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Who are you calling slanty? I am an of Irish decent. Unlike most Americians I have a love an appreciation of different cultures. Only one continues to show it's ignorance no matter country I've been in.
Like we have said, please don't come back
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Has China apologized for reneging on pretty much every single promise they made regarding free speech and human rights that won them the right to host the Olympics? ???
Those shifty, crafty asians.....