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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2008, 10:01:28 AM »
China is smart.  Most countries with goods that America needs do trades.  They'll send the US Oil and the US sends arms and other shit.  Well China asks for greenbacks and nothing else.  So year after year after year the US gives china billions upon billions and don't realize that China is just holding onto the cash.  They aren't spending it, they aren't trading it, they're simply holding on.  Now they have so much American money that if they wanted to unload it on the open market that the US dollar would sink into the pennies crippling the economy.  Would China do this?  Maybe but not yet.  They don't want to kill their biggest addict of "made in china" goods.   America is hooked on chinese goods and China being the big pusher is selling it and selling it.

Candizzle claimed Bush but this isn't a Bush thing.  America has been hooked on chinese goods for decades paying them cold hard cash for shitty made junk from china.  

CHina sooner of later is going to fuck the US in the ass and America will be too blind to see it because they are too busy chasing after a ghost named Osama and fighting war with Arab countries.  Fucking America is on its last legs.  Its like the rise and fall of the Roman empire.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2008, 10:08:42 AM »
China is smart.  Most countries with goods that America needs do trades.  They'll send the US Oil and the US sends arms and other shit.  Well China asks for greenbacks and nothing else.  So year after year after year the US gives china billions upon billions and don't realize that China is just holding onto the cash.  They aren't spending it, they aren't trading it, they're simply holding on.  Now they have so much American money that if they wanted to unload it on the open market that the US dollar would sink into the pennies crippling the economy.  Would China do this?  Maybe but not yet.  They don't want to kill their biggest addict of "made in china" goods.   America is hooked on chinese goods and China being the big pusher is selling it and selling it.

Candizzle claimed Bush but this isn't a Bush thing.  America has been hooked on chinese goods for decades paying them cold hard cash for shitty made junk from china.  

CHina sooner of later is going to fuck the US in the ass and America will be too blind to see it because they are too busy chasing after a ghost named Osama and fighting war with Arab countries.  Fucking America is on its last legs.  Its like the rise and fall of the Roman empire.

If they do that, then their economy will sink into oblivion as well. Our demand for their goods will not be replaced, our countries are interlocked at this point. I see what your saying, but it would be foolish for them to do so as our trade imbalance pretty much fuels close to 100% of their growth.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2008, 10:13:55 AM »
Pffffft. Harry Whittington apologized after getting shot by Dick Cheney!? I can't explain the world any better than you guys!  It's farked.   ???

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2008, 10:14:59 AM »
do masks even help?

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2008, 10:19:38 AM »
If by apologizing you mean throwing the dissidents and protesters in a forced labor camp or prison for half their life,

They make protesters get married?

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2008, 10:24:32 AM »
They make protesters get married?

Yes, I guess they should give them an option box to check that read "Sledgehammer to the Face", it would be more humanitarian that way.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2008, 10:25:15 AM »
Ever see travel shows about china?  They always show the same 5 five things, tieneman square, the great wall, the forbidden city, pandas, and the Yang Tse river.  They regulate what and where foreigners can film.  have you seen footage of where the regular poor people live or where the rich live?  They don't allow anyone else to see what China is really like.  Have you ever seen photos of all of the Chinese factories?  Nope.  The mask the country so that people don't know what horrors lie inside. They don't even let most chinese people see what their country is like because they regulate all tv and media.  FUcked up country.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2008, 10:41:50 AM »
Ignorant.

HELLO STUPID

Our air quality in this country is pretty solid,

YES YOUR POLLUTED AIR IS SO SOLID THAT YOU PRACTICALLY HAVE TO SCOOP IT OUT FROM IN FRONT OF YOU AND PUSH IT INTO YOUR LUNGS

maybe even better than Europe's

EUROPEAN NATION USES BUFFERS AND CLEANSING DEVICES TO KEEP POLLUTION DOWN...SOMETHING AMERICA REFUSES TO DO.

or the sole reason that diesel cars and trucks make up the over whelming majority of the vehicles on the road,

EUROPE USES DIESEL BECAUSE FOR YEARS DIESEL HAS BEEN CHEAPER THAN GAS(NOT ANYMORE)

plus their automobile emission standards aren't nearly as strict as ours.

EUROPE DEPENDS HEAVILY ON TRAINS FOR TRAVEL AND THEREFORE AVOIDS MUCH OF THE AUTOMOBILE POLLUTION THAT AMERICA HAS IN ITS CITIES BECASUE OF CAR USAGE...BY THE WAY ONLY CALIFORNIA HAS THOSE STRICT STANDARDS

China is a polluted mess,

LIKE AMERICA

in an attempt to spur industrial development/power generation at a rapid pace they have stripped any semblance of environmental standards.

AMERICA HAS ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT TO AVOID THE POLLUTION BUT REFUSES TO USE IT

They are actually the worlds #1 producer of CO2 now...

TA TA TA..IT IS STILL AMERICA

Your utter ignorance is underlined by the fact that you brought up LA as some straw man to use as a fulcrum for your "argument" LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains, much in the same way Denver is which shares some of the same problems.

THE GEOLOGICAL CONDITIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY PRODUCES A LOT OF POLLUTION CALIFORNIA HAS THE HIGHEST CAR TO PERSON RATIO IN THE COUNTRY

The polluted air just sits above the city b/c the wind that would normally push it out is blocked by the mountains.

WHERE WOULD THE WIND PUSH THIS POLLUTION?...TO NEVADA, ARIZONA COLORADO WHICH WILL MAKE THOSE STATES POLLUTED WITH THE POLLUTION OF CALIFORNIA!!!

also, because LA and California has much stricter environmental controls than the rest of the US (which is saying something) their air quality in the city has actually been improving over the last 12-20 years.

THE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS IN AMERICA ARE PRETTY LAME AND ARE OVERLOOKED BY NEARLY EVERY MAJOR MANUFACTURER...THANK YOU BUSH. AND EVEN WITH THE STRICTER AIR STANDARDS IN CALI...IT IS STILL A PLACE WITH UNBELIEVABLE POLLUTION

China is a fucking environmental disaster area that is in a class all its own

JUST LIKE AMERICA

Stop trying to spear the U.S. with your ignorant arguments.

OH I SEE YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE FLAG WAVING IDIOTS THAT ACTUALLY SAYS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE..ACK..GAG..GA SP..SAY IT AINT SO. I AM NOT BLINDING MYSELF TO THE ILLS OF AMERICA FOR THE SAKE OF BEING... EH HEM..PATRIOTIC..ACK, GASP, CHOKE, PUKE.

I don't believe you are a gimmick

WHO SAID I WAS A GIMMICK?...LIKE COCA COLA I AM THE REAL THING.

because you have been consistently stupid since you've been here.

I HAVE BEEN INSULTED BY CRUSTATIONS WITH A HIGHER IQ THAN YOURS...DON'T TRY TO GET CUTE.
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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2008, 10:46:10 AM »
 The haze over the Bird's Nest possesses the air quality of a smoker's lung, and yet a group of spin artists on the Beijing scene Wednesday declared a blue-sky vision without a single catch in their throats.

"Every time you turn your head," one messenger said, "you see something beautiful."

Yes, once the Visine kicks in you'll find any sign of decay or poverty within the pan of a camera has been walled off by Chinese officials obsessed with political appearances. But the Olympic masters sitting at a podium for a press conference in matching blazers refused to recognize what lies beneath the Communist regime's welcome mat.
Who were these pushers of the People's Republic behind the dais? They weren't official greeters from the Beijing Games machinery. They were leaders of the United States Olympic Committee, all but sitting on the knee of the host city, in ventriloquist doll pose, issuing talking points made in China. The architecture is divine, the food exquisite and the accommodations luxe. It's a pop-up city marvel.

"If I were to issue a gold medal," USOC Chairman Peter Ueberroth gushed, "I'd issue one to the people [of Beijing]."

On every hot-button issue (Joey Cheek's visa hocus-pocus), and even the tepid ones (medal-count mania), the USOC executives said exactly what Beijing organizers wanted them to say until it was actually un-American. The USOC was sorry -- so very sorry -- that its band of cyclists embarrassed China by arriving at the Beijing airport wearing black pollution masks that made them look like stage-coach robbers.

"It wasn't the best judgment," said Jim Scherr, CEO of the USOC. "The athletes understand that now."

You can understand the athletes' confusion, though. The USOC did design the filter masks, distribute 200 of them to athletes and, by simple math, surely knew a few of them might wear them. Just not at the airport, in front of cameras.

The USOC made sure the cyclists understood this breach of guest etiquette by scolding them to tears, eliciting an official apology from Michael Friedman, Sarah Hammer, Bobby Lea and Jennie Reed: "Following our arrival on Tuesday, we offer our sincere apologies to BOCOG, the city of Beijing, and the people of China if our actions were in any way offensive. That was not our intent. ... We deeply regret the nature of our choices. Our decision was not intended to insult BOCOG or countless others who have put forth a tremendous amount of effort to improve the air quality in Beijing."

Why did the cyclists' sorrow sound like a confessional coerced beneath a naked light bulb? In playing by China's rules the USOC acted as if it had adopted the host nation's rigid mores, its inflexible ethos. "We accepted an invitation," said Ueberroth. "We have the ability not to go."

This is a false choice. The invitation was to the Summer Games, not a masquerade ball where every country dresses up like propaganda tools and plays along with the host's ideology for 17 days. So why did Ueberroth sound like a pitch man for the new China's old ways?

For one, he makes it clear that he owes China for saving the 1984 Olympics -- or the Peter Ueberroth Summer Games as its organizer -- when the Chinese government broke with the Soviet Union boycott and arrived in Los Angeles. It changed everything, Ueberroth kept saying. Several times during the lengthy press conference, Ueberroth expressed his gratitude to China, letting his personal thank you turn into perpetual debt service to the nation. (Note to Peter: Move on.)

There was also another, perhaps far more important, reason for the USOC to play nice with China: fear of retribution for criticizing the Beijing Games. The Americans are already on edge about the medal count, knowing they could fall short of expectations and short of China, and would not want to compromise the outcome of any event by agitating the hosts.

It may sound far-fetched, but this is the Olympics, home to French judge scandals in ice skating and doping cheats worldwide. Conspiracy theories are part of the Games. But paranoia should not seed an excuse for Ueberroth -- or anyone from the USOC -- to self-censor their American dignity in order to step lightly around China because every topic is a tripwire to Beijing's sensitive psyche.

"[No one] is trying to change the world," said Ueberroth. And yet isn't the promise of change -- including a vow of clean air -- why China received the Olympics in the first place? Anyone with a drop of Visine can see that.


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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2008, 11:47:31 AM »
OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution


 I live in Edison New Jersey.  The air is very good.  The reasons for problems the town has had to do with superfund sites.  The soil being contaminated where the government or major business closed down.  The EPA and businesses are required to clean up those sites.
I wouldn't consider the pollution level in Edison as the same in Beijing.
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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2008, 11:50:16 AM »
OH REALLY...Los Angeles is INFAMOUS for its pollution and it DETRIMENTAL effects on health, New York city is not far behind Los Angeles, being a much smaller city yet having a greater population its mass transit system pollutes to near choking levels, Edison and Elizabeth New Jersey are NOTORIOUS for its refineries that have been the cause of MAJOR CANCER CLUSTERS, DETROIT with its auto manufacturing and the pollution it produces has major cases of chronic conditions related to it, even in places like Missouri with Monsanto and it MASSIVE productions of PCBs thrown into the water system has and is causing massive death, disease and chronic conditions. Let me not even go into the thousands of LANDFILLS in america and the EXTREME health conditions that effect the communities around them. Ever considered the many airlines/airplanes continuously flying over america??? Ever wonder where all the pollution form the aircraft go?? How about the COAL BURNING plants all over america that supply 80% of the electricity you use in america? Check West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee etc for pollution and Black Lung disease for the inhabitants of these states. I haev not even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg with america's pollution


 I live in Edison New Jersey.  The air is very good.  The reasons for problems the town has had to do with superfund sites.  The soil being contaminated where the government or major business closed down.  The EPA and businesses are required to clean up those sites.
I wouldn't consider the pollution level in Edison as the same in Beijing.
Sandra


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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2008, 12:46:44 PM »


Meltdown.

Oh, and with LA, geography has much to do with it. Yes it has the highest car to person ratio, but LA is walled in by mountains so the polluted air hangs over the city, it can't be moved easily because the prevailing winds are blocked by the mountains. It's a fact and one that is well known. You seem to like cherry picking a bunch of shit and throwing out there, your ramblings prove hallow, and people are right to laugh you off this board.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2008, 12:59:44 PM »


And the fact that you are trying to equate China environmental/air quality with ours or any other civilized nation for that matter, shows how idiotic and desperate you are. mon of steele is right, they show you what they want you to see, China is still a semi- 3rd world country with most of its population living in squalor in it's vast rural areas. For the Olympics they had cut the amount of cars on the by half so they limited the people to odd and even days, they shut down or limited the time factories could be in operations, they had to clean up the giant algae blooms as well, the list goes on. The country is an environmental mess and it will continue to get worse. Now you have no idea what you're talking about, or you do, but you've been bitch slapped and have no other choice but to charge ahead. I'm not saying the U.S. is the zenith of environmental practices but to compare them to China shows you to be an idiot. You seem very jealous of the US, you can't go a discussion without hating and rambling on about it, it seems Uncle Sam is in your empty skull. 



Oh, and China is the worlds #1 producer of Co2....
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm

Hope this helps....

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2008, 01:01:38 PM »
And the fact that you are trying to equate China environmental/air quality with ours or any other civilized nation for that matter, shows how idiotic and desperate you are. mon of steele is right, they show you what they want you to see, China is still a semi- 3rd world country with most of its population living in squalor in it's vast rural areas. For the Olympics they had cut the amount of cars on the by half so they limited the people to odd and even days, they shut down or limited the time factories could be in operations, they had to clean up the giant algae blooms as well, the list goes on. The country is an environmental mess and it will continue to get worse. Now you have no idea what you're talking about, or you do, but you've been bitch slapped and have no other choice but to charge ahead. I'm not saying the U.S. is the zenith of environmental practices but to compare them to China shows you to be an idiot. You seem very jealous of the US, you can't go a discussion without hating and rambling on about it, it seems Uncle Sam is in your empty skull. 



Oh, and China is the worlds #1 producer of Co2....
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-04-30-china-energy_N.htm

Hope this helps....

You just wrote a novel. :o 

Do you feel passionate about this topic?

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2008, 01:03:40 PM »
YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT AMERICA...




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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2008, 01:04:39 PM »
You just wrote a novel. :o 

Do you feel passionate about this topic?

I consider myself to be an informed citizen. I'm no blind patriot, but when people from other countries spout of ignorant crap, it tends to irk me. Now if someone spouted some informed crap, than I would be cool. He is just trying far to hard.

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2008, 01:05:40 PM »
do the masks help or are they there for psychological reasons?

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2008, 01:12:55 PM »
Competitive cyclist that act like they care about "air quality."   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Fags.

If they really cared, they wouldn't go. Idiots.
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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2008, 02:55:14 PM »
do the masks help or are they there for psychological reasons?

They help to absorb the toxins better.
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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2008, 03:34:29 PM »
I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people.  I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining.  I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America.  Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.

  Oh muscle centre,  Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.

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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2008, 03:39:34 PM »
I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people.  I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining.  I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America.  Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.

  Oh muscle centre,  Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.

Oh the irony.

Anyways, I find it entertaining that you are calling other peoples observations "propaganda", after all, you live in the center of one hell of a giant propaganda machine.

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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2008, 03:48:26 PM »
I live in China. There are alot of ignorant comments here from people that have never even visited the country let alone lived here and shared with the people.  I was in Beijing 2 weeks ago. 5 days of blue skys and the 2 that weren't were raining.  I read the same proganderistic bullshit from the AP to brain wash Idiot America.  Yes China is polluted, but Beijing is no worse than Sydney.

  Oh muscle centre,  Tibet is free now under Chinese control, and why do so many Taiwamesecome to mainland China if you all hate it so much. Though I doubt you will answer this.

Please feel free to never leave there

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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2008, 03:48:59 PM »
Why didn't they just go all out and hold the Olympics in North Korea?  ???
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Re: No damn apologies to Beijing!! WTF, sissies?!
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2008, 03:51:58 PM »
the olympics is for bitches

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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2008, 03:52:06 PM »
Why didn't they just go all out and hold the Olympics in North Korea?  ???

Good question, I don't think the DPRK would allow any cameras into the country though.