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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Stark on August 09, 2008, 02:46:22 AM
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Fuck me they have balls, I'm on my way to Latvia next week :D
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1˝ hour passed and no replies >:(
Team Operation Barbarossa
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That is madness, I fear for the safety of the good people of Atlanta....
:'(
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lol why?
Georgia either have some secret weapon up their ass or they're just plain dumb. :-\
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That is madness, I fear for the safety of the good people of Atlanta....
:'(
lol ;D
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lol why?
Georgia either have some secret weapon up their ass or they're just plain dumb. :-\
I think they are hoping NATO will back them up...........
R.I.P Georgia.
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No progress at all. Always doing the same. :-\
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Where is the Chechen rebel ?
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No progress at all. Always doing the same. :-\
Reminds me of Korea... ;D
BTW...Japanese women and porn are GREAT!!!
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Where is the Chechen rebel ?
Squashed under the iron fist of The Soviet Union Russia.
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i mean this is stupid russia is pretty much the strongest country right now
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Georgia need a man like Chechen's former field commander Shamil Basayev.
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i mean this is stupid russia is pretty much the strongest country right now
hah what?
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Georgia isn't even the biggest state. texas could kick their ass though
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what does this have to do with golf?
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Georgia isn't even the biggest state. texas could kick their ass though
Are you saying it's time to give the Delta Force it's 'go?' :o
/pip lee marvin
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hah what?
is there a single country right now that can win a war with russia?
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is there a single country right now that can win a war with russia?
Uh. You mean a MAD war, or a Risk-type war.
/the answer is yes....and no :-\
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What does this have to do with the Tampa Pro?
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What does this have to do with the Tampa Pro?
Hehe. You chumming the water for Der Coach? :)
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We've been backing the Georgians during the negotiations with Russia We have a lot of economic interests (natural gas) over there. Georgia has also provided backup troops in Iraq
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Reminds me of Korea... ;D
BTW...Japanese women and porn are GREAT!!!
Hahaha. Ask me any time about them like last time. ;)
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Reminds me of Korea... ;D
BTW...Japanese women and porn are GREAT!!!
Wrong! What's up with that stupid mewling noise they make? Makes me want to slap'em and walk outta the room. >:(
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That is madness, I fear for the safety of the good people of Atlanta....
:'(
Will the Braves' game be delayed or are they still playing the Dodgers at noon?
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Go Bulldogs!
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This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news. Is there any news link on this incident?
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Maybe someday folks in these areas of the world will get their crap together and settle the hell down
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This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news. Is there any news link on this incident?
news detailshttp://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news;_ylt=A9j8eu0qup1ISVAAaS7QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBkZzlyZXBxBHNlYwNxc3Mtc3BlbGw-?p=georgia&sp=1&fr2=sp-top&c=&ei=UTF-8&SpellState=n-3133650749_q-NC7iPpZztDsEkTGIX.XsNwAAAA@@ (http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news;_ylt=A9j8eu0qup1ISVAAaS7QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBkZzlyZXBxBHNlYwNxc3Mtc3BlbGw-?p=georgia&sp=1&fr2=sp-top&c=&ei=UTF-8&SpellState=n-3133650749_q-NC7iPpZztDsEkTGIX.XsNwAAAA@@)
Quote from Wikipedia:
However, Georgia continues to suffer from the unresolved secessionist conflicts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Relations with Russia remain tense over these issues as well as Georgia’s aspiration of NATO membership
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This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news. Is there any news link on this incident?
god why don't you try cnn?
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Maybe someday folks in these areas of the world will get their crap together and settle the hell down
hahah because you guys aren't the most war loving country in the world ::)
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CNN is focusing upon why Russia is attacking them.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html
The rest of the world seems to be focusing upon Russia admitting they leveled an entire city.
That 2000 death toll is going to be about twenty-fold higher :(
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Wrong! What's up with that stupid mewling noise they make? Makes me want to slap'em and walk outta the room. >:(
^^^ Truth
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This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news. Is there any news link on this incident?
Found it: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html
TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's parliament Saturday approved a request by President Mikhail Saakashvili's to impose a "state of war," as the conflict between Georgia and Russia escalated, Georgian officials said.
Saakashvili accused Russia of launching an unprovoked full-scale military attack against his country, including targeting civilian homes, while Russian officials insist their troops were protecting people from Georgia's attacks on South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian region that borders Russia.
Russia's Interfax news agency said the death toll was at least 2,000 killed in the capital of South Ossetia and claimed the city has been destroyed.
Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported that about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in provincial capital Tskhinvali since Russian forces entered the territory Thursday.
Georgia said the overall death toll would be closer to 100.
Georgian officials said Russia has mobilized its Black Sea fleet off the coast of Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian province.
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin arrived Saturday in Vladikavkaz, near Russia's border with Georgia, Russia's Interfax reported.
Meanwhile, President George Bush, speaking from Beijing, called for an immediate halt to the violence, a stand-down by all troops, and an end to the Russian bombings.
The Georgian "state of war" order is not a formal declaration of war, and stops short of declaring martial law, according to Georgian officials who described it to CNN.
It gives Saakashvili powers he would not ordinarily have, such as issuing curfews, restricting the movement of people, or limiting commercial activities, those officials said.
It places the government on a 24-hour alert, said Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia during a conference call with reporters.
Saakashvili asked Western leaders to pressure Russia to agree to an immediate cease-fire, which he said his country would willingly observe first.
"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said Saturday afternoon.
A White House spokesman said President Bush spoke Saturday evening to Saakashvili and Russian President Medvedev.
The war, Saakashvili said, "is not about South Ossetia. It has never been in the first place. It is about destroying a small democratic nation aspiring to live in peace, freedom and liberty."
"This unprovoked, long-time-ago-planned invasion and aggression must stop," he said.
Russia, with a population of 146 million, is trying to destroy his country of 4.6 million people, he said, comparing it to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
"I think what is at stake here is the post-Cold War order," Saakashvili said.
Inna Gagloyeva, spokeswoman for the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee, told Russia's Interfax news agency that Tskhinvali was being "massively shelled" with artillery guns.
It was unclear which side was in control of that city on Saturday. The Georgians said fighting raged, but the Russians said they had "liberated" the city.
"Battalion task forces have fully liberated Tskhinvali of Georgian armed forces and started pushing Georgian units out of the area of responsibility of the peacekeeping forces," said General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Ground Forces, in an interview with Interfax.
Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told a news conference that the Russian paratroopers will "implement the operation of enforcing peace" on both sides.
Nogovitsyn also confirmed that Georgians had shot down two Russian aircraft. Saakashvili said his military has shot down 10 Russian bombers.
Russia said the troops were also reinforcing the Russian peacekeepers already in South Ossetia.
"Our peacekeepers, along with reinforcement units, are currently conducting an operation to force the Georgian side to accept peace," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at the Kremlin. "They are also responsible for protecting the population."
Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.
Georgia, a former Soviet Republic, is a pro-Western ally of the United States intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. which both have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.
Russia moved troops into South Ossetia early Friday after Georgia launched an operation in the breakaway region when its unilateral cease-fire was met with what it said was artillery fire from separatists that killed 10 people, including peacekeepers and civilians.
Russia charged that Georgia had targeted its peacekeepers stationed in the region.
Medvedev said Saturday that Georgia must be held responsible for the situation in South Ossetia.
"The people responsible for this humanitarian disaster need to be held liable for what they have done," Medvedev said. He said the humanitarian problems were caused by "the aggression launched by the Georgian side against the South Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers."
Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, since fighting began, Interfax reported.
Maia Kardava, a Red Cross spokeswoman in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi was unable to provide refugee or casualty figures Saturday morning because she said aid workers were still gathering information and visiting hospitals in South Ossetia and western Georgia.
Russian forces bombed several targets in Georgia on Saturday, according to Kardava and the British Foreign Office, which advised against all nonessential travel to Georgia.
Russian aircraft bombarded military and civilian targets the port town of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast, Kardava and British and Georgian officials said. Eight Georgians were killed in the port town, Georgian officials said.
In the town of Senaki, just inland from Poti, Russian forces damaged a railway line, a military base, and a center housing civilians who fled from nearby Abkhazia.
Military bases at Vaziani and Marneuli also came under attack, the British Foreign Office said, and Russian aircraft bombed the Georgian town of Gori, about 35 miles northwest of Tbilisi, Georgian officials said.
Inside South Ossetia, civilians have been without water, electricity, and basic services for more than a day, Kardava said. She said the Red Cross was unable to reach colleagues based in Tskhinvali because their phones had lost power and they were huddled in bomb shelters.
Also Saturday, the commander of Georgian troops stationed in Iraq said the 2,000 soldiers there will be withdrawn from Iraq "very soon."
Colonel Bondo Maisuradze said the United States would provide the transport to get them out of Iraq. He said he had no time frame for the move.
Saakashvili told CNN Friday that the troops were needed in Georgia to defend against the Russian military.
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Let's call it what it is...
Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working. Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything. They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble. Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
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Uh. You mean a MAD war, or a Risk-type war.
/the answer is yes....and no :-\
US vs. Russia who would win? I just think the russians have been gearing themselves up a long time and we have been spreading ourselves thin.
And some say should we attack iran, russia will try to help them
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Let's call it what it is...
Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working. Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything. They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble. Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
I agree that a first term President does have a certain amount of leverage from goodwill, but I think you overestimate the UN.
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Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
Dude what are you smoking? Obama, has no authority to go to the UN to do or say anything. Obama called for an end by means of "talks" yesterday. McCain called for US, UN, and NATO interference.
Obamanutters are def smoking something
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time to sand Rambo in to kill them all....again.
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Dude what are you smoking? Obama, has no authority to go to the UN to do or say anything. Obama called for an end by means of "talks" yesterday. McCain called for US, UN, and NATO interference.
The US President doesn't have the ability to approach the UN and initiate a resolution for human rights abuses or mass slaughter? Buzzz... sorry.
My point is that countries are going to get their licks in while we have a cowboy in office, cause we can't say shit after taking iraq for oil and letting 911 happen.
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China vs Russia.
All-out brawl.
PPV $49.95
be there....
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It's admirable what the Georgians are doing. Good for them!
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No shit.
It's like some D-III school taking on USC... And being only down by 14 at halftime....
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Let's call it what it is...
Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working. Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything. They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble. Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
Well Bush claims that he looked into Putins soul and found him to be a "good man" ;D
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Wrong! What's up with that stupid mewling noise they make? Makes me want to slap'em and walk outta the room. >:(
Care to explain what you mean, Chimpy?
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hahah because you guys aren't the most war loving country in the world ::)
"uS GUYS" LIKELY WILL, OR WE ALREADY HAVE, PULLED YOUR ASS OUT OF THE GRIDDLE AT LEAST ONCE.
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Let's call it what it is...
Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working. Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything. They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble. Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
The UN...bahahaha
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there are no russians left in south-ossetia, we have slaughtered them all
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"uS GUYS" LIKELY WILL, OR WE ALREADY HAVE, PULLED YOUR ASS OUT OF THE GRIDDLE AT LEAST ONCE.
I'm German you old fool, and need for caps
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The UN...bahahaha
So their resolution we used to justify invading iraq to pwn their oil ministry...
was that "bahahahaha", or did it totally legally cover our asses ;)
Some people believe the UN is only useful when it gives us the right to grab oil from other nations.
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I wonder if border states like Alabama, South Carolinia, or Florida will get sucked into this mess? :P
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I wonder if border states like Alabama, South Carolinia, or Florida will get sucked into this mess? :P
jajaja ::)
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It just amazes me how these republics that seceded from the old Soviet Union late last century, all citing the God-given right to determine whether they wanted to be an independent country (or not) now all of a sudden WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES accept the same right to anyone within their newly created territory.
Talk about being full of shit.
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And now the people on both sides must suffer from this bullshit dispute.
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This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news. Is there any news link on this incident?
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Let's call it what it is...
Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working. Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything. They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble. Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office. President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus. Right now? Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job. Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.
you've lost your mojo.
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Brilliant deduction slapper. So by your estimation, If France wanted to secede from the EU, Paris could then secede as its own country from France and so every other city in France could then do the same thing? Why have cities or territories at all? Lets just have the entire world be broken down into millions of countries.
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Why did you quote me and make the font larger? ???
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The facts :
Russia wont allow Chechnya to break away from them (Russia) and become independent, yet Russia demands that another Country (Georgia) must allow part of their land to break away and become independent. Hypocrisy at its finest!
Russia is trying to show the other FSU's what happens to a Country that is pro-west and wants to become part of NATO. They are currently doing the same to Ukraine by tripling the price of natural Gas, as a penalty for electing a pro-west President. And doing this after first having him poisoned.
Also just like the ex-KGB guy that Putin had poisoned in England, they wanted to show the world that no place is too far, that they cant get someone who they think is a threat.
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Why did you quote me and make the font larger? ???
because you're hot baby!!! Oh yea!!! ;D
I did it to highlight the point. It's insane that coverage of this is minimal. This is potentially very huge and the media has walked by it like it's a confrontation between Hawaiian tribes. On the up side, I got to hear about John Edwards affair 90 million times over the weekend while we're probably at Defcon 2 lol...
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because you're hot baby!!! Oh yea!!! ;D
I did it to highlight the point. It's insane that coverage of this is minimal. This is potentially very huge and the media has walked by it like it's a confrontation between Hawaiian tribes. On the up side, I got to hear about John Edwards affair 90 million times over the weekend while we're probably at Defcon 2 lol...
I hear ya, the media prefers to report on infidelities over problems in the world. Sad.