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http://www.titusandryan.com
As to DEFT. TITUS: COURT ORDERED, in addition to the $25 Administrative Assessment Fee, $2,656.44 Extradition Fees, $8,318.29 Restitution (jointly and severally with co-defendant) and $150 DNA Analysis Fee, deft. SENTENCED as follows:
COUNT 1 - to a MINIMUM term of TEN (10) YEARS and a MAXIMUM term of TWENTY-FIVE (25) YEARS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS;
COUNT 2 - to a MINIMUM term of FIVE (5) YEARS and a MAXIMUM term of FIFTEEN (15) YEARS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS CONSECUTIVE to COUNT 1; and
COUNT 3 - to a MINIMUM term of SEVENTY-TWO (72) MONTHS and a MAXIMUM term of ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY (180) MONTHS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS CONSECUTIVE to COUNT 2 with NINE HUNDRED THIRTY-SEVEN (937) DAYS credit for time served.
Mr. Saggese objected to the sentence on Count 3 arguing that during the negotiation process, the Court told him it would impose a minimum of 17. Response by Mr. Daskas. Following a conference in Chambers, Court NOTED there is a discrepancy in everyone’s recollection of the discussions reference Count 3, it intends to look at the transcripts of this proceeding as well as of the plea; however, ORDERED, SENTENCE STANDS and Mr. Saggese is encouraged to speak with his client regarding the consequences of withdrawing his plea and facing the original charges.
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Titus could be out before Kelly finishes serving her time.
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What does that mean 21 to 55 years? If he behaves good he'll be out in 21 if not then 55y ???
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question,how does a couple who seemingly on a physical standpoint,financially surviving,living a seemingly good life,no not a normal as most call it ,but in there eyes normal.and then come to a murder rap and now long jail terms :-\.
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question,how does a couple who seemingly on a physical standpoint,financially surviving,living a seemingly good life,no not a normal as most call it ,but in there eyes normal.and then come to a murder rap and now long jail terms :-\.
selfishness, drugs, no empathy for others.
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selfishness, drugs, no empathy for others.
You pretty much described everyone in the IFBB. ;)
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Titus could be out before Kelly finishes serving her time.
I highly doubt that. Remember Kelly's already served almost half of the minimum sentence.
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screw them may they die in jail
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I highly doubt that. Remember Kelly's already served almost half of the minimum sentence.
I meant, if he decides to take it to trial.
He could say MJ was using Kelly's identity to run up debt, and threatened to turn them in for drugs if they reported her. I don't think anyone will dispute this much.
Next, he just says that MJ attacked Kelly with a tazer, and kelly killed her in the struggle.
They panic... he helps her dispose of the body.
A man trying to protect his wife - after she kills a person in self-defense who was on drugs and had stolen her identity.... that looks decent. You get the right jury, you get 5 years, minus time served.
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Titus is a Legend
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I meant, if he decides to take it to trial.
He could say MJ was using Kelly's identity to run up debt, and threatened to turn them in for drugs if they reported her. I don't think anyone will dispute this much.
Next, he just says that MJ attacked Kelly with a tazer, and kelly killed her in the struggle.
They panic... he helps her dispose of the body.
A man trying to protect his wife - after she kills a person in self-defense who was on drugs and had stolen her identity.... that looks decent. You get the right jury, you get 5 years, minus time served.
Maybe you should have been Titus's attorney.
They would be free in a few years.
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Titus is a Legend
legendary soap dropper
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Does anyone know if Craigers had any family there at his sentencing at all?
Family, not well wishers who stil think he's a saint....
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Does anyone know if Craigers had any family there at his sentencing at all?
Family, not well wishers who stil think he's a saint....
I feel sorry for the clowns daughter-and even his dog.
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http://www.titusandryan.com
As to DEFT. TITUS: COURT ORDERED, in addition to the $25 Administrative Assessment Fee, $2,656.44 Extradition Fees, $8,318.29 Restitution (jointly and severally with co-defendant) and $150 DNA Analysis Fee, deft. SENTENCED as follows:
COUNT 1 - to a MINIMUM term of TEN (10) YEARS and a MAXIMUM term of TWENTY-FIVE (25) YEARS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS;
COUNT 2 - to a MINIMUM term of FIVE (5) YEARS and a MAXIMUM term of FIFTEEN (15) YEARS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS CONSECUTIVE to COUNT 1; and
COUNT 3 - to a MINIMUM term of SEVENTY-TWO (72) MONTHS and a MAXIMUM term of ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY (180) MONTHS in the NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS CONSECUTIVE to COUNT 2 with NINE HUNDRED THIRTY-SEVEN (937) DAYS credit for time served.
Mr. Saggese objected to the sentence on Count 3 arguing that during the negotiation process, the Court told him it would impose a minimum of 17. Response by Mr. Daskas. Following a conference in Chambers, Court NOTED there is a discrepancy in everyone’s recollection of the discussions reference Count 3, it intends to look at the transcripts of this proceeding as well as of the plea; however, ORDERED, SENTENCE STANDS and Mr. Saggese is encouraged to speak with his client regarding the consequences of withdrawing his plea and facing the original charges.
First, I would like thank Musclephone for the timely updates. I love getting a Musclephone update during the day. It makes me feel as though I'm part of something, and I encourage everyone to register.
Now, on to Craig Titus. I have stated many times here that Craiggers is a Mastermind. He is a master chess player, thinking five moves ahead. I predicted he would have a swerve planned out, and he does. First, he got his beloved wife off with a minimal time. Now that she has been saved, he will outfox the D.A. and vastly improve his own lot.
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I meant, if he decides to take it to trial.
He could say MJ was using Kelly's identity to run up debt, and threatened to turn them in for drugs if they reported her. I don't think anyone will dispute this much.
Next, he just says that MJ attacked Kelly with a tazer, and kelly killed her in the struggle.
They panic... he helps her dispose of the body.
A man trying to protect his wife - after she kills a person in self-defense who was on drugs and had stolen her identity.... that looks decent. You get the right jury, you get 5 years, minus time served.
you have an MBA from where a comic book?
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you have an MBA from where a comic book?
it's not that far from what really did happen... victim had her hands way way dirty.
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Interestingly, that might just fly with people who don't know what a scumbag Craig is. Of course, you'd need to find 12 jurors who have been living in a cave, and don't know anything about the story or the original guilty plea. It's a moot point anyway... I doubt the court lets him withdraw his plea at this point now that he's been sentenced.
Doesn't it just take ONE juror?
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question,how does a couple who seemingly on a physical standpoint,financially surviving,living a seemingly good life,no not a normal as most call it ,but in there eyes normal.and then come to a murder rap and now long jail terms :-\.
Uh it's called drugs (and no, not "bodybuilding" drugs)
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If Titus would just fork over those Monica Brant tapes this whole thing would just blow over.
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Doesn't it just take ONE juror?
If it does go to court, it'll be interesting to see if the defense uses roid rage as an excuse, or if the prosecution uses roid rage as motive....in either case, they might have to bring in scientific experts to debate whether or not they can even prove it exists. Hey, they might even invite an expert, like John "Where Are The Bodies?" Romano!
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In this case, the victim isn't a law, or a nun.
Didn't MJ use Kelly's identity to borrow a great deal of money, which she spent, then shurgged when a very angry Kelly brought this to her attention?
Didn't she threaten to rat out Craig and kelly for their misdeeds if they reported her for the theft?
They were obviously wrong to do what they did, but a jury would take all of that under consideration. If there are three criminals on drugs in a room, and one steals from another, and it leads to a violent situation...
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Has anyone an answer to my question? What does it mean sentencing to 21 to 55 years?
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If it does go to court, it'll be interesting to see if the defense uses roid rage as an excuse, or if the prosecution uses roid rage as motive....in either case, they might have to bring in scientific experts to debate whether or not they can even prove it exists. Hey, they might even invite an expert, like John "Where Are The Bodies?" Romano!
Roid rage, even if proven, is no defense.
CT took steroids volutarily, it was not forced down his throat. o one who goes out and takes voluntarily takes drugs get to use it as an excuse.
CT is getting off easy with his 21-55 sentence. He is not going to serve 55 years. No way no how. He is 40,41 now?? He will be out by age 60-considerign the crime that is a cake walk. In CA he would be in for life-no parole, no more freedom ever.
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In this case, the victim isn't a law, or a nun.
Didn't MJ use Kelly's identity to borrow a great deal of money, which she spent, then shurgged when a very angry Kelly brought this to her attention?
Didn't she threaten to rat out Craig and kelly for their misdeeds if they reported her for the theft?
They were obviously wrong to do what they did, but a jury would take all of that under consideration. If there are three criminals on drugs in a room, and one steals from another, and it leads to a violent situation...
Where do you keep coming up with this MJ used Kelly identity, etc?
Only Titus used this as an early excuse when they were on the run...
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Where do you keep coming up with this MJ used Kelly identity, etc?
Only Titus used this as an early excuse when they were on the run...
It was the motive. I don't know what else to say.
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It is in the grand jury transcripts Chick.
Kelly told that to the people that lived in her rented
house.
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It was the motive. I don't know what else to say.
It was never the motive, and it never had a hint of ruth to it...it was Titus' lame ass bullshit he was spewing when he first started getting questioned and he was floundering around stepping over his story, which was different than Kelly's.
Just because Craig and Kelly said it, doesn't make it true...there was never any facts to support it.
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It is in the grand jury transcripts Chick.
Kelly told that to the people that lived in her rented
house.
It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.
It was never the motive
What was their motive, Bob?
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What was their motive, Bob?
they didnt like the jag no more... :'( :'( :'(
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It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.
What was their motive, Bob?
It could be told to 1,000 different people 240. Doesn't make it true. I could go around and tell 1,000 people that you scammed "x" (person) out of "x" (amount of cash) for a website that you didn't create...doesn't make it true, does it? Just makes it hear-say.
Unfortunately we (the public) are never going to really know what happened because out of the 3 people that were involved/actually there. Out of those 3, 2 have been caught lying, changing stories, ran from the law, known to dabble extensively in drugs and were known as trouble makers from the start and served time (well...Craig anyway), and then you have 1 who is dead (by the hands of the other 2) and being brought out "after" her death as drug addict and thief.
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they didnt like the jag no more... :'( :'( :'(
Hey there teenage tycoon. Made a million today, bought a few more cars?
HAHAHAHA you could go to GAP KIDS and buy another thousand xxxxs wifebeaters ;D
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Unfortunately we (the public) are never going to really know what happened because out of the 3 people that were involved/actually there. Out of those 3, 2 have been caught lying, changing stories, ran from the law, known to dabble extensively in drugs and were known as trouble makers from the start and served time (well...Craig anyway), and then you have 1 who is dead (by the hands of the other 2) and being brought out "after" her death as drug addict and thief.
It's irresponsible for Chick to say "It definitely wasn't X".
He doesn't know, just as none of us know. I understand he's trying to defend Mj, and that's fine. People here did the same thing to the jacobs case, trying to make it clearly good vs. evil.
I can only say what I heard from people that yeah, were involved with them before and after the incident, and when they were on the run. They were all on dope, and identity theft led to the terrible incident. Craig and Kelly didn't just choose to do the horrible thing and hurt their friend and trusted confidantm out of the blue.
Yes, it's just heresay, and my word holds about as much weight as BOb saying "I don't know what the motive was, but I know that the vicitm didn't do X". He doesn't know. He's saying that to paint her in a better light and paint CT as a nut who just killed someone for no reason. Fine, he can do that. Most people here know that violent crime beween drug using running buddies can happen, but that it usually happens for a darn good reason.
believe what you'd like. She took KR's identity and ran up a bill.
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It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.
What was their motive, Bob?
The motive was stupidity, plain and simple.
Whatever led to the events that happened, are pretty much irrelevant...was WAS relevant, was the fact that Titus and Kelly made choices that took another life, and now they pay the price.
No amount of bullshit claims on Titus' behalf will change that, or justify his actions.
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The motive was stupidity, plain and simple.
You were a cop, Bob.
I know you don't believe that line. "Craig was so stupid that he decided one day to throw away his life and kill someone who was living with him. He had no reason. He was just stupid."
Whatever led to the events that happened, are pretty much irrelevant...
Okay. Then say that. don't say "It was never the motive
If you don't know, just say you don't know. To claim to KNOW what it wasn't, then assign it to some intangible "craig was stupid" motive... well, it's insulting to readers here.
It's a horriblw tragedy. CT is an animal, and so is KR. But there is no need to sanitize events to place it all on "one stupid man". Victim was running with the devil in this case, and something happened to cause the events. If you don't have the moral courage to say that, then don't. But don't assign all guilt to "stupidity" when Craig admitted what he did, and outlined this as his motive.
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First, I would like thank Musclephone for the timely updates. I love getting a Musclephone update during the day. It makes me feel as though I'm part of something, and I encourage everyone to register.
Now, on to Craig Titus. I have stated many times here that Craiggers is a Mastermind. He is a master chess player, thinking five moves ahead. I predicted he would have a swerve planned out, and he does. First, he got his beloved wife off with a minimal time. Now that she has been saved, he will outfox the D.A. and vastly improve his own lot.
I feel better not letting my testosterone drop by getting Angels baseball, MLB, NFL and PGA Tour updates daily.
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i can't believe 240 is actually trying to defend titus....
well, then again..i'm not shocked.
i'm not sure intentions should have anything to do with this...he killed her..and intended to cover it up and get away with murder when he and flyin' ryan fled..if he killed her and turned himself into the police that day and admitted everything he did..he would deserve consideration...but he's a dirtbag along with his wife...and got off pretty light if you ask me.
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this is in no way a defense of that POS Titus. He belongs in a cell forever, if not the gas chamber.
But whenever you sanitize the details around an event to paint the victim in a prettier light, you do society a disservice.
When people see the victims in the Dave jacobs and Titus' cases painted as complete victims, and the acts chalked up to 'random stupidity', there is no lesson learned. Why not allow these other 10,000 fitness girls who are scraping by, living with a dealer or junkie, to see what can happen?
Don't run with scumbags. You get your hands dirty too, and put yourself at risk. RUN FROM THEM.
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i can't believe 240 is actually trying to defend titus....
well, then again..i'm not shocked.
I'm not defending titus.
I'm simply saying it's horrible for the truth to be sanitized.
When chick investigated crime as a cop, did he do the same thing?
Sweep the fact a girl was hooking or dealing when she was raped under the rug, and write "Pure evil" as the motive on the arrest report? Did he regularly remove facts to paint a prettier picture, or is this just something he chooses to do now?
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You were a cop, Bob.
I know you don't believe that line. "Craig was so stupid that he decided one day to throw away his life and kill someone who was living with him. He had no reason. He was just stupid."
Okay. Then say that. don't say "
If you don't know, just say you don't know. To claim to KNOW what it wasn't, then assign it to some intangible "craig was stupid" motive... well, it's insulting to readers here.
It's a horriblw tragedy. CT is an animal, and so is KR. But there is no need to sanitize events to place it all on "one stupid man". Victim was running with the devil in this case, and something happened to cause the events. If you don't have the moral courage to say that, then don't. But don't assign all guilt to "stupidity" when Craig admitted what he did, and outlined this as his motive.
You're not thinking outside the box....you're right, I was a cop, and have been privvy to plenty of cases, motives, etc...
There isn't neccessarily a "motive" in every case, and (IMO) certainly not in this one....sometimes there is just action, or reaction, and the end result can be something the alledged didn't see coming.
I don't think Titus set out to kill this girl, or Kelly for that matter...I believe it was a consequence of a chain of events which happened to result in MJ death.
The only motive I see here was cover-up...THAT was intentional, as was the attempted disposal of the body, and the ensuing storyline that went with it.
Stupidity was responsible for every detail that happened that night, as well as the next 24 hours....
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You're not thinking outside the box....you're right, I was a cop, and have been privvy to plenty of cases, motives, etc...
There isn't neccessarily a "motive" in every case, and (IMO) certainly not in this one....sometimes there is just action, or reaction, and the end result can be something the alledged didn't see coming.
I don't think Titus set out to kill this girl, or Kelly for that matter...I believe it was a consequence of a chain of events which happened to result in MJ death.
The only motive I see here was cover-up...THAT was intentional, as was the attempted disposal of the body, and the ensuing storyline that went with it.
Stupidity was responsible for every detail that happened that night, as well as the next 24 hours....
hey, I'm with you on 99% of this. Definitely not trying to feud or debate this.... Titus was a stupid scumbag. I'd personally cap him myself if the state of nevada asked me to.
I believe he didn't mean to, and I believe that once it happened, he passed the point of no return, and just ran with it. He's an idiot, and doesn't belong in society.
I just fear this trend of "circumstance sanitization" that has occured with Titus and Jacobs cases. I see an organized concerted effort to paint the killer as 100% at fault, and to paint the victim as "never broke a single law". Yes, it's horirble what happened... but bob, you have a LOT of credibility in the sport. people look to you for answers in cases like this. To outright say "she didn't take any money under KR's name", when there is a LOT of things saying that is what caused all of this...
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I'm not defending titus.
I'm simply saying it's horrible for the truth to be sanitized.
When chick investigated crime as a cop, did he do the same thing?
Sweep the fact a girl was hooking or dealing when she was raped under the rug, and write "Pure evil" as the motive on the arrest report? Did he regularly remove facts to paint a prettier picture, or is this just something he chooses to do now?
There you go again...why automatically assume MJ did ANYTHING wrong (with the exception of the "friends" she chose)??
I knew Titus...he wasn't exactly an alter boy.
Perhaps Craig and MJ were having an affair, and she threatened to tell Kelly?
Perhaps she knew too much detail of Titus' drug dealing, and he panicked thinking she was going to blow him in to the cops..?
There are 1,000 senarios and possabilities....why do you believe MJ was at ANY fault, or had any part of this other than the victom? There has been ZERO evidence to suport any of Titus claims, or any to discredit MJ...
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when you start bringing facts out in cases like this...the victim of the crime may start to be victimized again--people saying stuff like..well, you shouldn't steal a person's identity and run up bills--fact is..stealing someone's id isn't and shouldn't be a death sentence...even if she was a drug addict/prostitute/thief whatever---it does not make murder and arson justifiable...it does not change the inherent FACTS of the case...Said girl murdered and burned in desert...all life is to be respected--whether it's the life of a druggie, prostitute, or a down and out fitness girl.
i don't think that's sanitizing the facts of a case...as a juror, would i be inclined to let a guy off from a murder rap because he killed the person who stole his wife's identity? Not likely.
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There are 1,000 senarios and possabilities....why do you believe MJ was at ANY fault, or had any part of this other than the victom? There has been ZERO evidence to suport any of Titus claims, or any to discredit MJ...
Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.
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Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.
the industry killed melissa? that's funny..titus just admitted to doing it himself...
that's like blaming the CIA for the drug problem in america.
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hey, I'm with you on 99% of this. Definitely not trying to feud or debate this.... Titus was a stupid scumbag. I'd personally cap him myself if the state of nevada asked me to.
I believe he didn't mean to, and I believe that once it happened, he passed the point of no return, and just ran with it. He's an idiot, and doesn't belong in society.
I just fear this trend of "circumstance sanitization" that has occured with Titus and Jacobs cases. I see an organized concerted effort to paint the killer as 100% at fault, and to paint the victim as "never broke a single law". Yes, it's horirble what happened... but bob, you have a LOT of credibility in the sport. people look to you for answers in cases like this. To outright say "she didn't take any money under KR's name", when there is a LOT of things saying that is what caused all of this...
Bro...please...
All I see was a concerted effort on the part ot Titus and Kelly to use any scrap they could get their hands on to try and justify their actions....unfortunately, their own actions after the fact don't jive...thier spories didn't match, attempting to leave the country, trading in their truck, Titus' conversation with the couple renting out their rental property, attempting to have potential witnesses taken out, the list is long.....
If she slole from them, you call the cops, or throw her to the curb...
If she OD'ed, you call the ambulance...
If she fell down the stairs and broke her neck, you remove all the drugs from the house and call 911...
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Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.
She may have done drugs with them, she certainly was the third wheel in their sex romps....how does either of those facts contribute to what I said? Which one of those details justifies Titus killing her?
The rest of your rant is laughable...
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I'm not here to argue with ya Rob, but IMO...
Everything is hear-say. And everyone HAS a choice when doing something "stupid". You either do the right thing, or you do the wrong thing. Craig and Kelly did the wrong thing...several times. They beat this woman, they tazered this woman, they shot her up with drugs, they choked this woman, they tied this woman up, they put this woman in a trunk of Kelly's car, they burned this woman in this car and they ran from the police. According to you, their motive was...they did so because she stole Kelly's identy and shopped til she dropped. I'm only asking, so don't jump all over me, but where did this story come from? Where is the proof? Who was it that claimed Melissa stole Kelly's identity?
Obviously someone has to be pretty pissed to be so violent on another human being, so I am going to presume Melissa did piss either Craig or Kelly off, but if it were true that Melissa was stealing Kelly's identity and stealing their money...wouldn't you go to the police? Uusally only HUGE drug dealers and "mafia" type people go and murder someone for such....and they pretty much know how to "dispose" of a body without it ever being found. People who kill in the heat of the moment (and kill usually for stupid reasons or by accident) are "sloppy" about the murder and getting rid of the body.
There are so many stories and ideas on the motive (I read that Kelly was pissed that Melissa and Craig were carrying on in an affair and approached Melissa about it and a fight broke out between the two and Kelly tazered Melissa. Fearing she did in fact kill her, she shot her up with enough drugs to make it look like an od. Craig came in after the fact and did what he had to to protect Kelly, etc.) that it could be anything.
These people (all involved) were obviously not playing with a full deck and like I said, we (the public) might never really know what happened and why...hence (IMO) Bob's quote stating "stupidity was the motive".
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the industry killed melissa? that's funny..titus just admitted to doing it himself...
that's like blaming the CIA for the drug problem in america.
I said it contributed. Do you understand the fucking difference?
Titus was dealing due to the huge demand. Demand because in the 'industry' most of them are strung out on rec drugs and bbing drugs. There is excess everywhere, people fucking around, orgies. In that lifestyle this kind of shit will eventually happen. Plus the fact she was no fucking angel at all, she was a thief and probably making waves in Titus' marriage.
Bob is IFBB puppet and only ever posts anything trying to make bodybuilding and the IFBB look as clean as possible.
Hopefully you understand the point now and don't need to try be clever whilst highlighting your dumb ignorance.
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According to you, their motive was...they did so because she stole Kelly's identy and shopped til she dropped. I'm only asking, so don't jump all over me, but where did this story come from? Where is the proof? Who was it that claimed Melissa stole Kelly's identity?
Obviously someone has to be pretty pissed to be so violent on another human being, so I am going to presume Melissa did piss either Craig or Kelly off, but if it were true that Melissa was stealing Kelly's identity and stealing their money...wouldn't you go to the police? Uusally only HUGE drug dealers and "mafia" type people go and murder someone for such....and they pretty much know how to "dispose" of a body without it ever being found. People who kill in the heat of the moment (and kill usually for stupid reasons or by accident) are "sloppy" about the murder and getting rid of the body.
i agree with you too - Craig was the bad guy here, and he never had a full deck. The story I was told - and yeah, definitely heresay, no way of proving right or not - was that victim said she'd tell police about all of CT's drug dealing if they turned her in. This was the "yeah, craig did it, but here's why". Is it true? I don't know. This was right after the event, when they were caught in Mass. Who knows.
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If she stole from them, you call the cops, or throw her to the curb...
Unless she promised to turn them in for dealing. :-\
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She may have done drugs with them, she certainly was the third wheel in their sex romps....how does either of those facts contribute to what I said? Which one of those details justifies Titus killing her?
The rest of your rant is laughable...
Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.
And where I am justifying Titus killing her?
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Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.
And where I am justifying Titus killing her?
You are playing "blame the victim", Alex.
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I said it contributed. Do you understand the fucking difference?
Titus was dealing due to the huge demand. Demand because in the 'industry' most of them are strung out on rec drugs and bbing drugs. There is excess everywhere, people fucking around, orgies. In that lifestyle this kind of shit will eventually happen. Plus the fact she was no fucking angel at all, she was a thief and probably making waves in Titus' marriage.
Bob is IFBB puppet and only ever posts anything trying to make bodybuilding and the IFBB look as clean as possible.
Hopefully you understand the point now and don't need to try be clever whilst highlighting your dumb ignorance.
my dumb ignorance? you claim his industry contributed? how so? because he's a bodybuilder he needs to go around dealing drugs, having threesomes, and killing fitness girls? last time i looked there are plenty of bodybuilders out there that don't go around killing people---i'm under no illusion that bodybuilding lifestyles are nun-like..but don't run this shit up that the industry contributed to her death---two murdering scumbags--are responsible..and the naivite of one girl put the wheels in motion.
love these guys who post on these boards with a tough guy attitude...isn't it about time you go do your chores little boy?
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love these guys who post on these boards with a tough guy attitude...isn't it about time you go do your chores little boy?
HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus on the meaning of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed ::) ;D
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Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.
And where I am justifying Titus killing her?
Again...there is nothing that paints MJ as a nun, also nothing that paints her as anything else....other than Titus...certainly HE would have had no reason to try and discredit her, right?
Oh....except for that little "killing her, burning her, trying to cover the whole thing up..." thing.
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HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed ::) ;D
Bro, you're grasping at straws....
The industry conributed nothing to this case, nor to Titus' actions. They werent even involved in the industry at the time...and MJ wasn't involved in the industry, other than knowing Craig and Kelly.
People take their own path in life...
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HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed ::) ;D
yeah..you sure trashed me... ::)
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Again...there is nothing that paints MJ as a nun, also nothing that paints her as anything else....other than Titus...certainly HE would have had no reason to try and discredit her, right?
Oh....except for that little "killing her, burning her, trying to cover the whole thing up..." thing.
Ok Bob, just that you seemed to be a little judgemental on Titus' dealing drugs. I mean, where do you get yours from bro? Someone sold you the shit you used to shoot up just like any other pro. Dealers are only providing a service that ALL IFBB pros need. You know better than anyone that the majority don't draw the line at the 'muscle' drugs. You know that rec drug use is popular. You know about the orgies and the bed hopping. The prostitution. You know as well as anyone that this is perfect environment to breed this kind of killer and situation. Obviously the buck stops with Titus and that's why the dude is doing life. However, don't paint her as a saint or him as the only scumbag dealer in this 'sport'. It's an industry rife with drugs of all kinds, whores (male and female), and lies. I appreciate that as Mr IFBB you want it all to appear snow white but it ain't, it's shitty and contributed to the whole shabang.
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The industry conributed nothing to this case, nor to Titus' actions. They werent even involved in the industry at the time
They were on the radio show less than 3 months before the murder, detailing plans of their upcoming pro divison, or whatever. 9/12/05.
At what date did they no longer become part of the industry?
(Ah, that's right. The date of the crime!)
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I like Bob a lot but he is a lapdog for the IFBB. That is his career and he will do all he can to keep himself earning. The IFBB want to wash their hands and put it all on Titus , making out he is nothing to do with bodybuilding. That's bullshit, the guy dealt to pros and had all the aftershow parties going on. He was supplying drugs to people who demand huge quantities of drugs. As a user himself , I am surprised Bob is so judgemental that Titus was a dealer. IFBB don't like it as it lifted the lid on how debauched the whole 'sport' is. Obvious the IFBB slant will be 'Titus is evil and pro bodybuilding is clean, he's not a bodybuilder anymore'. Asking Bob for impartiality on this is like asking a real estate agent to talk you out of buying a house.
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i'm not buying all that industry stuff...there's a lot of drugs, whores, bed hopping in pro sports..you don't blame the sport when one of the athlete's go bad.
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They were on the radio show less than 3 months before the murder, detailing plans of their upcoming pro divison, or whatever. 9/12/05.
At what date did they no longer become part of the industry?
(Ah, that's right. The date of the crime!)
They were out of OUR industry, that being the IFBB....that was by THEIR hand, not ours. They weren't suspended or banned.
They chose to remove themselves.
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I like Bob a lot but he is a lapdog for the IFBB. That is his career and he will do all he can to keep himself earning. The IFBB want to wash their hands and put it all on Titus , making out he is nothing to do with bodybuilding. That's bullshit, the guy dealt to pros and had all the aftershow parties going on. He was supplying drugs to people who demand huge quantities of drugs. As a user himself , I am surprised Bob is so judgemental that Titus was a dealer. IFBB don't like it as it lifted the lid on how debauched the whole 'sport' is. Obvious the IFBB slant will be 'Titus is evil and pro bodybuilding is clean, he's not a bodybuilder anymore'. Asking Bob for impartiality on this is like asking a real estate agent to talk you out of buying a house.
I'm not saying any of the things that you listed doesn't happen. It does, in our industry as well as ust about every other, be it sports, music, movies, etc...
Does it happen to the extent YOU think it does? No...not even close.
Individuals are still responsible for individual actions are far as I know...
BTW...Titus was a bad apple long before MJ came into the picture.
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I'm not saying any of the things that you listed doesn't happen. It does, in our industry as well as ust about every other, be it sports, music, movies, etc...
Does it happen to the extent YOU think it does? No...not even close.
Individuals are still responsible for individual actions are far as I know...
BTW...Titus was a bad apple long before MJ came into the picture.
Bob, we don't actually disagree much. If at all. Perhaps just on the extent we would agree that excess and hedonism may have contributed. Obviously the buck stops with`Titus ans that's why the guy is doing 20 years.
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Bob, we don't actually disagree much. If at all. Perhaps just on the extent we would agree that excess and hedonism may have contributed. Obviously the buck stops with`Titus ans that's why the guy is doing 20 years.
Exactly....every sport has it's "bad boy", every sport has those who are partyers and who engage in an alternative lifestyle....and every sport has family people, business minded, professionals, God fearing....people that have families, run companies,etc.
One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch...
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They were out of OUR industry, that being the IFBB....that was by THEIR hand, not ours. They weren't suspended or banned.
They chose to remove themselves.
So outside the IFBB = outside the industry?
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So outside the IFBB = outside the industry?
When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...
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When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...
How so? What makes someone without an IFBB Pro card (and I mean that does compete or contribute to bodybuilding) not "part" of the "Bodybulding Industry?
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When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...
So why did you care about his opinion/thoughts on 9/12/05?
Why was he still relevant 3 months later?
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In this case, the victim isn't a law, or a nun.
Didn't MJ use Kelly's identity to borrow a great deal of money, which she spent, then shurgged when a very angry Kelly brought this to her attention?
Didn't she threaten to rat out Craig and kelly for their misdeeds if they reported her for the theft?
They were obviously wrong to do what they did, but a jury would take all of that under consideration. If there are three criminals on drugs in a room, and one steals from another, and it leads to a violent situation...
your interpretation is pathetic and sounds just like the trailer park trash that u r.
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So why did you care about his opinion/thoughts on 9/12/05?
Why was he still relevant 3 months later?
What was that date?
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How so? What makes someone without an IFBB Pro card (and I mean that does compete or contribute to bodybuilding) not "part" of the "Bodybulding Industry?
The IFBB makes up 99% of pro competitive BB, both in numbers of pro's and money derived from shows and/ or ancelary monies from being associated...
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The IFBB makes up 99% of pro competitive BB, both in numbers of pro's and money derived from shows and/ or ancelary monies from being associated...
Bob, did you just pull that number out of your ass?????
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Bob, did you just pull that number out of your ass?????
yep..sure did.
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yep..sure did.
Thought so :D
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Thought so :D
Do you think it's far off the mark?
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Do you think it's far off the mark?
Not in the states, but I believe in Euope, with NABBA, it is.
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Why do you guys empower the illegal-steroids using former cop chik by even responding to his smug, vague, non-imformative posts? The chump can't even spell basic words.
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The IFBB makes up 99% of pro competitive BB, both in numbers of pro's and money derived from shows and/ or ancelary monies from being associated...
Oh, then what you meant to say this: "When it comes to the competitive PROFESSIONAL BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB (are in PDI, etc), you're pretty much on the outside looking in..."
The reason I asked and and didn't appreciate that remark was because I AM a competitive bber (amateur level) and do consider myself as part of the industry as a whole. I don't believe that I am "outside" looking in on this industry. Out of the "PROFESSIONAL" loop?? Absolutely, but not out of the industry as a whole. If you are excluding "amateurs" from being in the industry...well then...there wouldn't be an industry as that is where you all (IFBB Pro's) came from. You certainly were born an IFBB Pro, in fact...it took you many amateur shows (13 years worth?) before becoming such. Bob, I like you, I'm friends with T, I agree with most of what you say on this board and I can appreciate all the hard work you did to get where you are today...but don't forget where you started and insult those that are still there. :-\
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Oh, then what you meant to say this: "When it comes to the competitive PROFESSIONAL BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB (are in PDI, etc), you're pretty much on the outside looking in..."
The reason I asked and and didn't appreciate that remark was because I AM a competitive bber (amateur level) and do consider myself as part of the industry as a whole. I don't believe that I am "outside" looking in on this industry. Out of the "PROFESSIONAL" loop?? Absolutely, but not out of the industry as a whole. If you are excluding "amateurs" from being in the industry...well then...there wouldn't be an industry as that is where you all (IFBB Pro's) came from. You certainly were born an IFBB Pro, in fact...it took you many amateur shows (13 years worth?) before becoming such. Bob, I like you, I'm friends with T, I agree with most of what you say on this board and I can appreciate all the hard work you did to get where you are today...but don't forget where you started and insult those that are still there. :-\
As you already figured out, I wasn't referring to amateur bb...the subject at hand was Titus and Kelly, and their position in relation to their careers
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The motive was stupidity, plain and simple.
Whatever led to the events that happened, are pretty much irrelevant...was WAS relevant, was the fact that Titus and Kelly made choices that took another life, and now they pay the price.
No amount of bullshit claims on Titus' behalf will change that, or justify his actions.
I answered your question Chick,
(ITS IN THE GRAND JURY TRANSCRIPTS... THATS WHERE KELLY ADMITTED AND SAID THAT)
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She may have done drugs with them, she certainly was the third wheel in their sex romps....how does either of those facts contribute to what I said? Which one of those details justifies Titus killing her?
The rest of your rant is laughable...
I answered your question Chick, regarding where is it written kelly said Melissa was using her identity
(ITS IN THE GRAND JURY TRANSCRIPTS... THATS WHERE KELLY ADMITTED AND SAID THAT)
That was you're original question correct?
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And I'll stick by my original answer....just because Kelly and/ or Craig made some statements to the grand jury, doesn't give them any credibility, or make them true.
They were scrambling for anything they could...
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If Titus would just fork over those Monica Brant tapes this whole thing would just blow over.
He had better not! I'm featured in those tapes... and I'm very naked.
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I answered your question Chick, regarding where is it written kelly said Melissa was using her identity
(ITS IN THE GRAND JURY TRANSCRIPTS... THATS WHERE KELLY ADMITTED AND SAID THAT)
That was you're original question correct?
What was her proof, chainsaw?
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And I'll stick by my original answer....just because Kelly and/ or Craig made some statements to the grand jury, doesn't give them any credibility, or make them true.
They were scrambling for anything they could...
prisons are filled with the religious truth tellers