Titus Sentencing - Courtroom Notes

[240 is Back]

Where do you keep coming up with this MJ used Kelly identity, etc?

Only Titus used this as an early excuse when they were on the run...

It was the motive.  I don't know what else to say. 

[chainsaw]

It is in the grand jury transcripts Chick.
Kelly told that to the people that lived in her rented
house.

[Chick]

It was the motive.  I don't know what else to say. 

It was never the motive, and it never had a hint of ruth to it...it was Titus' lame ass bullshit he was spewing when he first started getting questioned and he was floundering around stepping over his story, which was different than Kelly's.

Just because Craig and Kelly said it, doesn't make it true...there was never any facts to support it.

[240 is Back]

It is in the grand jury transcripts Chick.
Kelly told that to the people that lived in her rented
house.

It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.

It was never the motive

What was their motive, Bob?

[alejandro_torres]

What was their motive, Bob?

they didnt like the jag no more... 

[Laura Lee]

It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.


What was their motive, Bob?

It could be told to 1,000 different people 240.  Doesn't make it true.  I could go around and tell 1,000 people that you scammed "x" (person) out of "x" (amount of cash) for a website that you didn't create...doesn't make it true, does it?  Just makes it hear-say.   

Unfortunately we (the public) are never going to really know what happened because out of the 3 people that were involved/actually there.  Out of those 3, 2 have been caught lying, changing stories, ran from the law, known to dabble extensively in drugs and were known as trouble makers from the start and served time (well...Craig anyway), and then you have 1 who is dead (by the hands of the other 2) and being brought out "after" her death as drug addict and thief.

[SweetMuscles]

they didnt like the jag no more... 

Hey there teenage tycoon. Made a million today, bought a few more cars?

HAHAHAHA you could go to GAP KIDS and buy another thousand xxxxs wifebeaters

[240 is Back]

Unfortunately we (the public) are never going to really know what happened because out of the 3 people that were involved/actually there.  Out of those 3, 2 have been caught lying, changing stories, ran from the law, known to dabble extensively in drugs and were known as trouble makers from the start and served time (well...Craig anyway), and then you have 1 who is dead (by the hands of the other 2) and being brought out "after" her death as drug addict and thief.

It's irresponsible for Chick to say "It definitely wasn't X".

He doesn't know, just as none of us know.  I understand he's trying to defend Mj, and that's fine.  People here did the same thing to the jacobs case, trying to make it clearly good vs. evil.

I can only say what I heard from people that yeah, were involved with them before and after the incident, and when they were on the run.  They were all on dope, and identity theft led to the terrible incident.  Craig and Kelly didn't just choose to do the horrible thing and hurt their friend and trusted confidantm out of the blue. 

Yes, it's just heresay, and my word holds about as much weight as BOb saying "I don't know what the motive was, but I know that the vicitm didn't do X".  He doesn't know.  He's saying that to paint her in a better light and paint CT as a nut who just killed someone for no reason.  Fine, he can do that.  Most people here know that violent crime beween drug using running buddies can happen, but that it usually happens for a darn good reason.

believe what you'd like.  She took KR's identity and ran up a bill.

[Chick]

It was also what was told to their gabby friend in mass. with the tapped phone.


What was their motive, Bob?

The motive was stupidity, plain and simple.

Whatever led to the events that happened, are pretty much irrelevant...was WAS relevant, was the fact that Titus and Kelly made choices that took another life, and now they pay the price.

No amount of bullshit claims on Titus' behalf will change that, or justify his actions.

[240 is Back]

The motive was stupidity, plain and simple.

You were a cop, Bob.

I know you don't believe that line.  "Craig was so stupid that he decided one day to throw away his life and kill someone who was living with him.  He had no reason.  He was just stupid."

Whatever led to the events that happened, are pretty much irrelevant...

Okay.  Then say that.  don't say "

It was never the motive

If you don't know, just say you don't know.  To claim to KNOW what it wasn't, then assign it to some intangible "craig was stupid" motive... well, it's insulting to readers here.

It's a horriblw tragedy.  CT is an animal, and so is KR.  But there is no need to sanitize events to place it all on "one stupid man".  Victim was running with the devil in this case, and something happened to cause the events.  If you don't have the moral courage to say that, then don't.  But don't assign all guilt to "stupidity" when Craig admitted what he did, and outlined this as his motive.

[The Coach]

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[rockyfortune]

i can't believe 240 is actually trying to defend titus....

well, then again..i'm not shocked. 

i'm not sure intentions should have anything to do with this...he killed her..and intended to cover it up and get away with murder when he and flyin' ryan fled..if he killed her and turned himself into the police that day and admitted everything he did..he would deserve consideration...but he's a dirtbag along with his wife...and got off pretty light if you ask me.

[240 is Back]

this is in no way a defense of that POS Titus.  He belongs in a cell forever, if not the gas chamber.

But whenever you sanitize the details around an event to paint the victim in a prettier light, you do society a disservice.  

When people see the victims in the Dave jacobs and Titus' cases painted as complete victims, and the acts chalked up to 'random stupidity', there is no lesson learned.  Why not allow these other 10,000 fitness girls who are scraping by, living with a dealer or junkie, to see what can happen?

Don't run with scumbags.  You get your hands dirty too, and put yourself at risk.  RUN FROM THEM.

[240 is Back]

i can't believe 240 is actually trying to defend titus....
well, then again..i'm not shocked. 

I'm not defending titus.

I'm simply saying it's horrible for the truth to be sanitized.

When chick investigated crime as a cop, did he do the same thing?

Sweep the fact a girl was hooking or dealing when she was raped under the rug, and write "Pure evil" as the motive on the arrest report?   Did he regularly remove facts to paint a prettier picture, or is this just something he chooses to do now?

[Chick]

You were a cop, Bob.

I know you don't believe that line.  "Craig was so stupid that he decided one day to throw away his life and kill someone who was living with him.  He had no reason.  He was just stupid."



Okay.  Then say that.  don't say "
If you don't know, just say you don't know.  To claim to KNOW what it wasn't, then assign it to some intangible "craig was stupid" motive... well, it's insulting to readers here.

It's a horriblw tragedy.  CT is an animal, and so is KR.  But there is no need to sanitize events to place it all on "one stupid man".  Victim was running with the devil in this case, and something happened to cause the events.  If you don't have the moral courage to say that, then don't.  But don't assign all guilt to "stupidity" when Craig admitted what he did, and outlined this as his motive.

You're not thinking outside the box....you're right, I was a cop, and have been privvy to plenty of cases, motives, etc...

There isn't neccessarily a "motive" in every case, and (IMO) certainly not in this one....sometimes there is just action, or reaction, and the end result can be something the alledged didn't see coming.

I don't think Titus set out to kill this girl, or Kelly for that matter...I believe it was a consequence of a chain of events which happened to result in MJ death.

The only motive I see here was cover-up...THAT was intentional, as was the attempted disposal of the body, and the ensuing storyline that went with it.

Stupidity was responsible for every detail that happened that night, as well as the next 24 hours....

[240 is Back]

You're not thinking outside the box....you're right, I was a cop, and have been privvy to plenty of cases, motives, etc...

There isn't neccessarily a "motive" in every case, and (IMO) certainly not in this one....sometimes there is just action, or reaction, and the end result can be something the alledged didn't see coming.

I don't think Titus set out to kill this girl, or Kelly for that matter...I believe it was a consequence of a chain of events which happened to result in MJ death.

The only motive I see here was cover-up...THAT was intentional, as was the attempted disposal of the body, and the ensuing storyline that went with it.

Stupidity was responsible for every detail that happened that night, as well as the next 24 hours....

hey, I'm with you on 99% of this.  Definitely not trying to feud or debate this.... Titus was a stupid scumbag.  I'd personally cap him myself if the state of nevada asked me to.

I believe he didn't mean to, and I believe that once it happened, he passed the point of no return, and just ran with it.  He's an idiot, and doesn't belong in society.

I just fear this trend of "circumstance sanitization" that has occured with Titus and Jacobs cases.  I see an organized concerted effort to paint the killer as 100% at fault, and to paint the victim as "never broke a single law".  Yes, it's horirble what happened... but bob, you have a LOT of credibility in the sport.  people look to you for answers in cases like this.  To outright say "she didn't take any money under KR's name", when there is a LOT of things saying that is what caused all of this...

[Chick]

I'm not defending titus.

I'm simply saying it's horrible for the truth to be sanitized.

When chick investigated crime as a cop, did he do the same thing?

Sweep the fact a girl was hooking or dealing when she was raped under the rug, and write "Pure evil" as the motive on the arrest report?   Did he regularly remove facts to paint a prettier picture, or is this just something he chooses to do now?

There you go again...why automatically assume MJ did ANYTHING wrong (with the exception of the "friends" she chose)??

I knew Titus...he wasn't exactly an alter boy.

Perhaps Craig and MJ were having an affair, and she threatened to tell Kelly?

Perhaps she knew too much detail of Titus' drug dealing, and he panicked thinking she was going to blow him in to the cops..?

There are 1,000 senarios and possabilities....why do you believe MJ was at ANY fault, or had any part of this other than the victom? There has been ZERO evidence to suport any of Titus claims, or any to discredit MJ...

[rockyfortune]

when you start bringing facts out in cases like this...the victim of the crime may start to be victimized again--people saying stuff like..well, you shouldn't steal a person's identity and run up bills--fact is..stealing someone's id isn't and shouldn't be a death sentence...even if she was a drug addict/prostitute/thief whatever---it does not make murder and arson justifiable...it does not change the inherent FACTS of the case...Said girl murdered and burned in desert...all life is to be respected--whether it's the life of a druggie, prostitute, or a down and out fitness girl.  
i don't think that's sanitizing the facts of a case...as a juror, would i be inclined to let a guy off from a murder rap because he killed the person who stole his wife's identity? Not likely.

[SweetMuscles]

There are 1,000 senarios and possabilities....why do you believe MJ was at ANY fault, or had any part of this other than the victom? There has been ZERO evidence to suport any of Titus claims, or any to discredit MJ...

Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.

[rockyfortune]

Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.

the industry killed melissa? that's funny..titus just admitted to doing it himself...

that's like blaming the CIA for the drug problem in america.

[Chick]

hey, I'm with you on 99% of this.  Definitely not trying to feud or debate this.... Titus was a stupid scumbag.  I'd personally cap him myself if the state of nevada asked me to.

I believe he didn't mean to, and I believe that once it happened, he passed the point of no return, and just ran with it.  He's an idiot, and doesn't belong in society.

I just fear this trend of "circumstance sanitization" that has occured with Titus and Jacobs cases.  I see an organized concerted effort to paint the killer as 100% at fault, and to paint the victim as "never broke a single law".  Yes, it's horirble what happened... but bob, you have a LOT of credibility in the sport.  people look to you for answers in cases like this.  To outright say "she didn't take any money under KR's name", when there is a LOT of things saying that is what caused all of this...

Bro...please...

All I see was a concerted effort on the part ot Titus and Kelly to use any scrap they could get their hands on to try and justify their actions....unfortunately, their own actions after the fact don't jive...thier spories didn't match, attempting to leave the country, trading in their truck, Titus' conversation with the couple renting out their rental property, attempting to have potential witnesses taken out, the list is long.....

If she slole from them, you call the cops, or throw her to the curb...

If she OD'ed, you call the ambulance...

If she fell down the stairs and broke her neck, you remove all the drugs from the house and call 911...

[Chick]

Get off your fucking high horse. There are tons of people who have testified that she used rec drugs and screwed both of them. You know as well as anyone about your sport Bob and stop trying to make it that Titus is some anomaly. There is a bunch of illegal drugs being dealt by all kinds of guys. There are plenty of whores loaded up on shit and fucking anything in site. There is not ZERO evidence at all. Typical though that you'd try to put all this shit on Titus alone when the industry itself partly contributed to the whole thing.

She may have done drugs with them, she certainly was the third wheel in their sex romps....how does either of those facts contribute to what I said? Which one of those details justifies Titus killing her?

The rest of your rant is laughable...

[Laura Lee]

I'm not here to argue with ya Rob, but IMO...

Everything is hear-say.  And everyone HAS a choice when doing something "stupid".  You either do the right thing, or you do the wrong thing.  Craig and Kelly did the wrong thing...several times.  They beat this woman, they tazered this woman, they shot her up with drugs, they choked this woman, they tied this woman up, they put this woman in a trunk of Kelly's car, they burned this woman in this car and they ran from the police.  According to you, their motive was...they did so because she stole Kelly's identy and shopped til she dropped.  I'm only asking, so don't jump all over me, but where did this story come from?  Where is the proof?  Who was it that claimed Melissa stole Kelly's identity?

Obviously someone has to be pretty pissed to be so violent on another human being, so I am going to presume Melissa did piss either Craig or Kelly off, but if it were true that Melissa was stealing Kelly's identity and stealing their money...wouldn't you go to the police?  Uusally only HUGE drug dealers and "mafia" type people go and murder someone for such....and they pretty much know how to "dispose" of a body without it ever being found.   People who kill in the heat of the moment (and kill usually for stupid reasons or by accident) are "sloppy" about the murder and getting rid of the body. 

There are so many stories and ideas on the motive (I read that Kelly was pissed that Melissa and Craig were carrying on in an affair and approached Melissa about it and a fight broke out between the two and Kelly tazered Melissa.  Fearing she did in fact kill her, she shot her up with enough drugs to make it look like an od.  Craig came in after the fact and did what he had to to protect Kelly, etc.) that it could be anything. 

These people (all involved) were obviously not playing with a full deck and like I said, we (the public) might never really know what happened and why...hence (IMO) Bob's quote stating "stupidity was the motive".

[SweetMuscles]

the industry killed melissa? that's funny..titus just admitted to doing it himself...

that's like blaming the CIA for the drug problem in america.

I said it contributed. Do you understand the fucking difference?
Titus was dealing due to the huge demand. Demand because in the 'industry' most of them are strung out on rec drugs and bbing drugs. There is excess everywhere, people fucking around, orgies. In that lifestyle this kind of shit will eventually happen. Plus the fact  she was no fucking angel at all, she was a thief and probably making waves in Titus' marriage.
Bob is IFBB puppet and only ever posts anything trying to make bodybuilding and the IFBB look as clean as possible.
Hopefully you understand the point now and don't need to try be clever whilst highlighting your dumb ignorance.

[240 is Back]

According to you, their motive was...they did so because she stole Kelly's identy and shopped til she dropped.  I'm only asking, so don't jump all over me, but where did this story come from?  Where is the proof?  Who was it that claimed Melissa stole Kelly's identity?

Obviously someone has to be pretty pissed to be so violent on another human being, so I am going to presume Melissa did piss either Craig or Kelly off, but if it were true that Melissa was stealing Kelly's identity and stealing their money...wouldn't you go to the police?  Uusally only HUGE drug dealers and "mafia" type people go and murder someone for such....and they pretty much know how to "dispose" of a body without it ever being found.   People who kill in the heat of the moment (and kill usually for stupid reasons or by accident) are "sloppy" about the murder and getting rid of the body. 

i agree with you too - Craig was the bad guy here, and he never had a full deck.  The story I was told - and yeah, definitely heresay, no way of proving right or not - was that victim said she'd tell police about all of CT's drug dealing if they turned her in.  This was the "yeah, craig did it, but here's why".  Is it true?  I don't know.  This was right after the event, when they were caught in Mass.  Who knows.