Titus Sentencing - Courtroom Notes

[240 is Back]

If she stole from them, you call the cops, or throw her to the curb...

Unless she promised to turn them in for dealing.  

[SweetMuscles]

She may have done drugs with them, she certainly was the third wheel in their sex romps....how does either of those facts contribute to what I said? Which one of those details justifies Titus killing her?

The rest of your rant is laughable...

Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.

And where I am justifying Titus killing her?

[Benny B]

Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.

And where I am justifying Titus killing her?

You are playing "blame the victim", Alex.

[rockyfortune]

I said it contributed. Do you understand the fucking difference?
Titus was dealing due to the huge demand. Demand because in the 'industry' most of them are strung out on rec drugs and bbing drugs. There is excess everywhere, people fucking around, orgies. In that lifestyle this kind of shit will eventually happen. Plus the fact  she was no fucking angel at all, she was a thief and probably making waves in Titus' marriage.
Bob is IFBB puppet and only ever posts anything trying to make bodybuilding and the IFBB look as clean as possible.
Hopefully you understand the point now and don't need to try be clever whilst highlighting your dumb ignorance.

my dumb ignorance? you claim his industry contributed? how so? because he's a bodybuilder he needs to go around dealing drugs, having threesomes, and killing fitness girls?  last time i looked there are plenty of bodybuilders out there that don't go around killing people---i'm under no illusion that bodybuilding lifestyles are nun-like..but don't run this shit up that the industry contributed to her death---two murdering scumbags--are responsible..and the naivite of one girl put the wheels in motion.  

love these guys who post on these boards with a tough guy attitude...isn't it about time you go do your chores little boy?

[SweetMuscles]

 

love these guys who post on these boards with a tough guy attitude...isn't it about time you go do your chores little boy?

HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus on the meaning of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed

[Chick]

Because some people are trying to make this bitch out to be a fucking nun. It contributes because it shows that her character was questionable and that there may well be something in the allegations that she was stealing and making waves. She had a drug habit and was fucking them both. All these factors lead to a conclusion that this a bunch of drug addicts falling out over debts and sex.

And where I am justifying Titus killing her?

Again...there is nothing that paints MJ as a nun, also nothing that paints her as anything else....other than Titus...certainly HE would have had no reason to try and discredit her, right?

Oh....except for that little "killing her, burning her, trying to cover the whole thing up..." thing.

[Chick]

HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed

Bro, you're grasping at straws....

The industry conributed nothing to this case, nor to Titus' actions. They werent even involved in the industry at the time...and MJ wasn't involved in the industry, other than knowing Craig and Kelly.

People take their own path in life...

[rockyfortune]

HAHAHA there's no need to start crying and talking cyber-smack because I made a point and it owned you. Again, read the fucking post through your teary eyed rage and you will see exactly how the industry contributed. Again, focus of the word contributed. Then maybe you won't speak from a postion of ignorance and actually not make a fool of yourself to the point where you meltdown and type insults because your shit 'argument' got trashed

yeah..you sure trashed me...

[SweetMuscles]

Again...there is nothing that paints MJ as a nun, also nothing that paints her as anything else....other than Titus...certainly HE would have had no reason to try and discredit her, right?

Oh....except for that little "killing her, burning her, trying to cover the whole thing up..." thing.

Ok Bob, just that you seemed to be a little judgemental on Titus' dealing drugs. I mean, where do you get yours from bro? Someone sold you the shit you used to shoot up just like any other pro. Dealers are only providing a service that ALL IFBB pros need. You know better than anyone that the majority don't draw the line at the 'muscle' drugs. You know that rec drug use is popular. You know about the orgies and the bed hopping. The prostitution. You know as well as anyone that this is perfect environment to breed this kind of killer and situation. Obviously the buck stops with Titus and that's why the dude is doing life. However, don't paint her as a saint or him as the only scumbag dealer in this 'sport'. It's an industry rife with drugs of all kinds, whores (male and female), and lies. I appreciate that as Mr IFBB you want it all to appear snow white but it ain't, it's shitty and contributed to the whole shabang.

[240 is Back]

The industry conributed nothing to this case, nor to Titus' actions. They werent even involved in the industry at the time

They were on the radio show less than 3 months before the murder, detailing plans of their upcoming pro divison, or whatever.   9/12/05.

At what date did they no longer become part of the industry?

(Ah, that's right.  The date of the crime!)

[SweetMuscles]

I like Bob a lot but he is a lapdog for the IFBB. That is his career and he will do all he can to keep himself earning. The IFBB want to wash their hands and put it all on Titus , making out he is nothing to do with bodybuilding. That's bullshit, the guy dealt to pros and had all the aftershow parties going on. He was supplying drugs to people who demand huge quantities of drugs. As a user himself , I am surprised Bob is so judgemental that Titus was a dealer. IFBB don't like it as it lifted the lid on how debauched the whole 'sport' is. Obvious the IFBB slant will be 'Titus is evil and pro bodybuilding is clean, he's not a bodybuilder anymore'. Asking Bob for impartiality on this is like asking a real estate agent to talk you out of buying a house.

[rockyfortune]

i'm not buying all that industry stuff...there's a lot of drugs, whores, bed hopping in pro sports..you don't blame the sport when one of the athlete's go bad.

[Chick]

They were on the radio show less than 3 months before the murder, detailing plans of their upcoming pro divison, or whatever.   9/12/05.

At what date did they no longer become part of the industry?

(Ah, that's right.  The date of the crime!)

They were out of OUR industry, that being the IFBB....that was by THEIR hand, not ours. They weren't suspended or banned.

They chose to remove themselves.

[Chick]

I like Bob a lot but he is a lapdog for the IFBB. That is his career and he will do all he can to keep himself earning. The IFBB want to wash their hands and put it all on Titus , making out he is nothing to do with bodybuilding. That's bullshit, the guy dealt to pros and had all the aftershow parties going on. He was supplying drugs to people who demand huge quantities of drugs. As a user himself , I am surprised Bob is so judgemental that Titus was a dealer. IFBB don't like it as it lifted the lid on how debauched the whole 'sport' is. Obvious the IFBB slant will be 'Titus is evil and pro bodybuilding is clean, he's not a bodybuilder anymore'. Asking Bob for impartiality on this is like asking a real estate agent to talk you out of buying a house.

I'm not saying any of the things that you listed doesn't happen. It does, in our industry as well as ust about every other, be it sports, music, movies, etc...

Does it happen to the extent YOU think it does? No...not even close.

Individuals are still responsible for individual actions are far as I know...

BTW...Titus was a bad apple long before MJ came into the picture.

[SweetMuscles]

I'm not saying any of the things that you listed doesn't happen. It does, in our industry as well as ust about every other, be it sports, music, movies, etc...

Does it happen to the extent YOU think it does? No...not even close.

Individuals are still responsible for individual actions are far as I know...

BTW...Titus was a bad apple long before MJ came into the picture.

Bob, we don't actually disagree much. If at all. Perhaps just on the extent we would agree that excess and hedonism may have contributed. Obviously the buck stops with`Titus ans that's why the guy is doing 20 years.

[Chick]

Bob, we don't actually disagree much. If at all. Perhaps just on the extent we would agree that excess and hedonism may have contributed. Obviously the buck stops with`Titus ans that's why the guy is doing 20 years.

Exactly....every sport has it's "bad boy", every sport has those who are partyers and who engage in an alternative lifestyle....and every sport has family people, business minded, professionals, God fearing....people that have families, run companies,etc.

One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch...

[240 is Back]

They were out of OUR industry, that being the IFBB....that was by THEIR hand, not ours. They weren't suspended or banned.

They chose to remove themselves.

So outside the IFBB = outside the industry?

[Chick]

So outside the IFBB = outside the industry?

When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...

[Laura Lee]

When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...

How so?  What makes someone without an IFBB Pro card (and I mean that does compete or contribute to bodybuilding) not "part" of the "Bodybulding Industry?

[240 is Back]

When it comes to the competitive BB industry, yes, if you're not in the IFBB, you're pretty much on the outside looking in...

So why did you care about his opinion/thoughts on 9/12/05?

Why was he still relevant 3 months later?

[bigdumbbell]

In this case, the victim isn't a law, or a nun.

Didn't MJ use Kelly's identity to borrow a great deal of money, which she spent, then shurgged when a very angry Kelly brought this to her attention?

Didn't she threaten to rat out Craig and kelly for their misdeeds if they reported her for the theft?

They were obviously wrong to do what they did, but a jury would take all of that under consideration.  If there are three criminals on drugs in a room, and one steals from another, and it leads to a violent situation...

your interpretation is pathetic and sounds just like the trailer park trash that u r. 

[Chick]

So why did you care about his opinion/thoughts on 9/12/05?

Why was he still relevant 3 months later?

What was that date?

[Chick]

How so?  What makes someone without an IFBB Pro card (and I mean that does compete or contribute to bodybuilding) not "part" of the "Bodybulding Industry?

The IFBB makes up 99% of pro competitive BB, both in numbers of pro's and money derived from shows and/ or ancelary monies from being associated...

[JohnnyVegas]

The IFBB makes up 99% of pro competitive BB, both in numbers of pro's and money derived from shows and/ or ancelary monies from being associated...

Bob, did you just pull that number out of your ass??

[Chick]

Bob, did you just pull that number out of your ass??

yep..sure did.