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Discuss ;)
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politics aside.........Nasser.
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No contest.
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nasser
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Yates vs Nasser at the 1995 olympia offered them at their best. Yates won.
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Yates vs Nasser at the 1995 olympia offered them at their best. Yates won.
Well the question is who was the best, not who won. Two different things...
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At his best? Yates.
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Well the question is who was the best, not who won. Two different things...
Great point!
And "Royalty" 95 was not Nasser's best, he gained about 20 lbs of muscle after that year.
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Well the question is who was the best, not who won. Two different things...
i had the vhs from that show. yates was better.
Yates won the rear lat spread, front lat spread, rear double bicep, side Tricep
Nasser won the ab/thigh, front double bicep pose
Yates had great routine. Nasser just kept hitting most muscular poses in his routine.
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ND, post Nasser's back double bi from 98.
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ND, post Nasser's back double bi from 98.
Why not just post back double bis form when they competed together, like here
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Great point!
And "Royalty" 95 was not Nasser's best, he gained about 20 lbs of muscle after that year.
the ESPN coverage had him at 275lbs. He was 280ish in 1996 and 270 in 1997.
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Well the question is who was the best, not who won. Two different things...
LOL. O'Rly. ::)
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Why not just post back double bis form when they competed together, like here
nasser looked great in 1996. could have won....but did fail the diuretic test.
But Shawn Ray beat Nasser to that year too.
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ND, post Nasser's back double bi from 98.
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Why not just post back double bis form when they competed together, like here
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nasser looked great in 1996. could have won....but did fail the diuretic test.
But Shawn Ray beat Nasser to that year too.
Shawn Ray did not deserve to beat Nasser that year.
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nasser looked great in 1996. could have won....but did fail the diuretic test.
But Shawn Ray beat Nasser to that year too.
He was soft in 1996 even with the diuretics
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On any stage comparison with Yates and Nasser from 95 and onwards Yates only beats him in back, calves and forearms, and of course Yates also beats Nasser in waist size and bloat ;)
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On any stage comparison with Yates and Nasser from 95 and onwards Yates only beats him in back, calves and forearms, and of course Yates also beats Nasser in waist size and bloat ;)
Bob you're missing another key factor conditioning
this is 1996 and there is a vast discrepancy in density & hardness as well as the backs
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On any stage comparison with Yates and Nasser from 95 and onwards Yates only beats him in back, calves and forearms, and of course Yates also beats Nasser in waist size and bloat ;)
What would you consider Nasser's best contest showing?
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He was soft in 1996 even with the diuretics
Haha, very soft here ::)
In 96 Nasser even had a better rear double bicep shot than Dorian
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of course Yates also beats Nasser in waist size and bloat ;)
Not in 1995. on the ESPN coverage Frank Zane kept pointing out how big Nasser's waist was
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Even asking this an insult to the many times over Mr. Olympia!
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Bob you're missing another key factor conditioning
this is 1996 and there is a vast discrepancy in density & hardness as well as the backs
Please explain how you gather than Dorian looks more "dense and hard" in the 96 comparisons posted.
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What would you consider Nasser's best contest showing?
I think 96 Olympia and the 98 and 99 Arnold Classic.
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Not in 1995. on the ESPN coverage Frank Zane kept pointing out how big Nasser's waist was
This is 95
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Yates is a 6 time Mr. Olympia.
Nasser makes a living selling his soiled underpants.
Does that answer your question?
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Is this 96?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270615;image)
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Please explain how you gather than Dorian looks more "dense and hard" in the 96 comparisons posted.
just look at the staggering difference in crisp muscularity especially on the back just the depth , detail , separation , glutes and hams , Nasser in contrast looks soft and puffy
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Yates is a 6 time Mr. Olympia.
Nasser makes a living selling his soiled underpants.
Does that answer your question?
We're doing this based on pictures, not who judges and politics favoured.
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Discuss ;)
Ronnie Coleman
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just look at the staggering difference in crisp muscularity especially on the back just the depth , detail , separation , glutes and hams , Nasser in contrast looks soft and puffy
Not in the 96 shots like this one. ESPECIALLY in the arms, delts, and hamstrings Nasser's separation and detail is much better than Yates'
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270617;image)
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Is this 96?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270615;image)
1997
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Not in the 96 shots like this one. ESPECIALLY in the arms, delts, and hamstrings Nasser's separation and detail is much better than Yates'
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270617;image)
Delts I would give Nasser the edge arms NO BACK is night & day there simply is NO comparison and hams are a push , Nasser is softer in the glutes as well and you have to remember all rounds are physique rounds you can't add up parts that are better , sure Nasser may meet parts of the criteria better but as a whole Dorian is beating him in this shot
and I don't think 1996 was his best showing his conditioning is lacking to much
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Dorian got the loudest ovation in 96.
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Dorian - as he proved over and over again!
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Delts I would give Nasser the edge arms NO BACK is night & day there simply is NO comparison and hams are a push , Nasser is softer in the glutes as well and you have to remember all rounds are physique rounds you can't add up parts that are better , sure Nasser may meet parts of the criteria better but as a whole Dorian is beating him in this shot
and I don't think 1996 was his best showing his conditioning is lacking to much
How can you say "arms NO" ::)
And look at the hamstrings in this pic that has more clear lighting and a more comparable angle between the two, Nasser's are more defined.
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Nasser's back is no where near Shawn's or Dorian's here. He looked great from the front, but all Mr. Olympia's had great backs. That's why he couldn't defeat Flex at the AC either.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270624;image)
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This is 95
Dorian is semi-relaxed here he is same contest with his obliques held tight there is a bit of a difference
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How can you say "arms NO" ::)
And look at the hamstrings in this pic that has more clear lighting and a more comparable angle between the two, Nasser's are more defined.
Biceps sure , triceps and forearms NO
and Dorian's hams same contest I would say at the least equal in terms of separation
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insane shot of dozzer there.
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Notice how Yates away from comparison himself from the front
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/23991-4/1995-mr-olympia-149.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e31ddcf59035b1b388c4e8f084de6986)
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Nasser's back is no where near Shawn's or Dorian's here. He looked great from the front, but all Mr. Olympia's had great backs. That's why he couldn't defeat Flex at the AC either.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270624;image)
There really is a MASSIVE difference in the backs I mean you really can't have a great back double biceps shot when your back is such a liability , I mean I have no problem conceding that in certain poses from the front Nasser comes close and depending on the year beats Yates but its lunacy to claim he's comparable or better in any back shot
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Notice how Yates away from comparison himself from the front
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/23991-4/1995-mr-olympia-149.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e31ddcf59035b1b388c4e8f084de6986)
NOT in 1995 he killed Nasser in the front lat spread and ab-thighs are comparable maybe a push because Nasser was harder from the front and soft from the back
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Biceps sure , triceps and forearms NO
and Dorian's hams same contest I would say at the least equal in terms of separation
Look again, regardless of how you try to break down the arm overall Nasser's arm is destroying Yates' here. Even forearms which are Dorian's strong point look comparable.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270623;image)
And as for Hams, sure Yates' will look good in a solo pic - why can't you comment on the direct hamstring comparison already posted where they are both onstage together?
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ND, post Nasser's 98 back double bi shot
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Notice how Yates away from comparison himself from the front
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/23991-4/1995-mr-olympia-149.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e31ddcf59035b1b388c4e8f084de6986)
Notice how Nasser shies away from comparing himself from the back
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Who would you rather be?
The guy who wins the contests? (Dorian)
Or, the guy who 13 years later has a group of boys on the interenet "saying" he better? (Nassar)
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Notice how Yates away from comparison himself from the front
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/23991-4/1995-mr-olympia-149.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e31ddcf59035b1b388c4e8f084de6986)
Or how Nasser avoids the back
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ND, post Nasser's 98 back double bi shot
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Notice how Nasser shies away from comparing himself from the back
exactly he knew he wasn't a thread in 1995 in fact he praised Yates that year for coming back from 1994 look great
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Let's see what King says :)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229072.msg3253698#msg3253698
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Nasser was a Fantastic BB absolutley Massive with a capital M..however Nassers Best was 1997 against Dorian who was at his WORST in 1997 and Dorian still won?? ??? ??? ??? ???
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exactly he knew he wasn't a thread in 1995 in fact he praised Yates that year for coming back from 1994 look great
I quite like Nasser and think he looks amazing from the front, one of the best. Even he would not claim that he could ever beat Doz at his best. He has a case in 97 as that wasn't Doz's best but Doz was still the biggest guy in the best condition. Therefore, he won.
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Let's see what King says :)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229072.msg3253698#msg3253698
You're using him as a credible source? lol we already know what Ronnie says on the subject do you think King's opinion carries more weight?
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I quite like Nasser and think he looks amazing from the front, one of the best. Even he would not claim that he could ever beat Doz at his best. He has a case in 97 as that wasn't Doz's best but Doz was still the biggest guy in the best condition. Therefore, he won.
According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course
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1996 the difference is staggering
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You're using him as a credible source? lol we already know what Ronnie says on the subject do you think King's opinion carries more weight?
Puts a bit of fun into it. Besides, he's more credible than you since he is a pro after all.
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1996 the difference is staggering
Yeah rear lat spread is the only pose where Yates decisively beats Nasser, every other pose is a different story ;)
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According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course
Yeah, that's why he couldn't defeat Flex at the AC! LOL.
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According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course
In the ab-thigh and front double biceps at his best he ranks pretty high but again your source is useless and his front latspread isn't comparable
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In the ab-thigh and front double biceps at his best he ranks pretty high but again your source is useless and his front latspread isn't comparable
You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.
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Yeah rear lat spread is the only pose where Yates decisively beats Nasser, every other pose is a different story ;)
Oh I disagree back double biceps is Yates all the way and if we're strictly talking at their bests and not at contests Yates can hold his own with Nasser in any poses from any angle
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You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.
You think that makes for a better pose? I don't and this really isn't Dorian at his best so the point is kinda null , he's still winning that shot
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Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money. Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.
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You think that makes for a better pose? I don't and this really isn't Dorian at his best so the point is kinda null , he's still winning that shot
Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent ::) What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.
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Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent ::) What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.
Nasser is crunching down and contracting the abs, of course they will be more visible. Problem is, his lats are invisible. Dorian owns him.
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Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.
If critieria was soley contest placings there would be no need to even discuss any bodybuilding contest placings are black and white.
And Yates was favoured largely because he was friends with many figures in the IFBB as well as judges.
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Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.
Great post ! pumpster is infamous for claiming the Weider's hand picked Yates for marketing reasons lol they did a great job a homely pasty Brit with an unaesthetic physique lol
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And Yates was favoured largely because he was friends with many figures in the IFBB as well as judges.
Wishful thinking. You still can't explain Nasser's inability to defeat Flex at the AC, when Dorian wasn't even present ::)
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Nasser is crunching down and contracting the abs, of course they will be more visible. Problem is, his lats are invisible. Dorian owns him.
His lats are visible. Maybe not as wide as Yates' in that shot but he more than makes up for that by actually having abs whereas Yates does not, and being more massive and detailed overall.
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Who would you rather be?
The guy who wins the contests? (Dorian)
Or, the guy who 13 years later has a group of boys on the interenet "saying" he better? (Nassar)
Oh,oh,oh,oh,oh...... 8)
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Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent ::) What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.
Did I say they were irrelevent? NO and the debate is at their best and 1996 was NOT Yates' best
again he can meet parts of the criteria but all rounds are physique rounds you must keep this in mind
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Wishful thinking. You still can't explain Nasser's inability to defeat Flex at the AC, when Dorian wasn't even present ::)
He beat Flex, just not according to the biased judges who, being American, naturally gave a bit of a preference to an American like Flex.
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Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.
Good point other than Dorian won 6 OLYMPIAS 1992-97
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If critieria was soley contest placings there would be no need to even discuss any bodybuilding contest placings are black and white.
And Yates was favoured largely because he was friends with many figures in the IFBB as well as judges.
I always laugh at the default excuse , politics lol Steve Weinberger was Yates close friend and he judged Yates just once and place him second , so much for that theory
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Yates is getting owned so bad in this thread its not even funny ;D
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He beat Flex, just not according to the biased judges who, being American, naturally gave a bit of a preference to an American like Flex.
See when you make comments like these the debate ends because you're reaching
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Yates is getting owned so bad in this thread its not even funny ;D
I'm sure you believe this , but like the Coleman fans your opinions never coincide with how the judges feel and like the Coleman fans when you can't offer up any explanation you rely on politics , its ok Nasser was a great bodybuilder , Yates was simply better.
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See when you make comments like these the debate ends because you're reaching
Do you think if the contest was held in Egypt or Yugoslavia with local judges of those nationalities they would still place Flex ahead? ::)
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Do you think if the contest was held in Egypt or Yugoslavia with local judges of those nationalities they would still place Flex ahead? ::)
Yep. Arnold even commented that Flex was "flawless" at the 1997 AC. Nasser had no back.
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Do you think if the contest was held in Egypt or Yugoslavia with local judges of those nationalities they would still place Flex ahead? ::)
Yes if they did their jobs sure if they could separate partriotism from whats is before them
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Yates is getting owned so bad in this thread its not even funny ;D
I'd rrather get owned on a message board 13 years later than on stage when it counts. :)
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See here is an example of how pictures can be misleading you can see in the bottom pic the difference in arms seems dramatic and from another angle its another story , the top pic Yates' biceps/triceps look comparable to Nassers although smaller and they should be he's much lighter however its still different from the bottom pic and the size of the forearms is clearly in Yates' favor
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the only pose Yates beats Nasser on is the BDB
and only becos his back is about 10% drier than Nasser
ALL other poses NAsser is killing Dorian
especially, FBD, FLS, AB + thigh, MM, side chest, side triceps
yates won becos he fellated mcgough and ben weider and was their willing sodomite................ deal with it
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See here is an example of how pictures can be misleading you can see in the bottom pic the difference in arms seems dramatic and from another angle its another story , the top pic Yates' biceps/triceps look comparable to Nassers although smaller and they should be he's much lighter however its still different from the bottom pic and the size of the forearms is clearly in Yates' favor
Yates' biceps and triceps are NOT comparable to Nasser's in this shot.
Nasser's arms there look like an anatomy chart here, much more detailed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270633;image)
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Yates' biceps and triceps are NOT comparable to Nasser's in this shot.
Nasser's arms there look like an anatomy chart here, much more detailed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270633;image)
Biceps NO triceps yes and I was talking about size wise compared to the other pic and you can't neglect forearms either and even entertaining your claim it moot because he falls flat on his face in the entire back department which a much larger and complex group so either way you're out of luck.
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Biceps NO triceps yes and I was talking about size wise compared to the other pic and you can't neglect forearms either and even entertaining your claim it moot because he falls flat on his face in the entire back department which a much larger and complex group so either way you're out of luck.
Since when was a contest judged based on forearms and back? What about delts, arms, quads, hams, chest, and abs? Nasser beat Dorian in all of those departments.
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Since when was a contest judged based on forearms and back? What about delts, arms, quads, hams, chest, and abs? Nasser beat Dorian in all of those departments.
I never claimed any contest was judged on parts in fact I've said to ad nasuem all rounds are physique rounds , density & dryness , muscular bulk , balance , posing , presentation , completeness are ALL judged in every single pose from every single angle and while Nasser may match or beat Yates in PARTS of the criteria as a whole he doesn't its that simple
Nasser's main problem was his back which is a major liability compared to someone who has the best , and his conditioning was hit or miss this will separate anyone from first and second
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I'd rrather get owned on a message board 13 years later than on stage when it counts. :)
damn that was painful lol
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Great post ! pumpster is infamous for claiming the Weider's hand picked Yates for marketing reasons lol they did a great job a homely pasty Brit with an unaesthetic physique lol
If the Mr. Olympia was based on marketing Bob Paris and Gunter S would both be 10X Mr. Olympia. You are correct. Dorian didn't have the looks, the personality, or anything related to marketing the Weider machine. Dorian at his worst beat everyone else at their best handily according to the judging criteria.
Do I like Dorian's physique? Nope. Get as huge as possible while maintaining washboard abs was what it used to be about. Dorian made popular a look that ruined bodybuilding. He brought the era of the bulging mid section to bodybuilding. Guys like Nasser and Wheeler then brought in the valvolino era. Absolutely ruined things. Bodybuilding ended with Haney.
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I'd rrather get owned on a message board 13 years later than on stage when it counts. :)
I'd rather be the one who gets owned on stage if it means not having IFBB-judge-semen-breath 13 years later like Yates still does. ;D
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Some more good comparisons
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Some more good comparisons
Dorian wins both of these shots. Damn his conditioning was out of this world. He made nearly everyone look soft in comparison.
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Some more good comparisons
Awesome shots. Those are the best quality photos I've seen from 95. Do you have the rest of the set?
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A fairer argument could be made for Nasser vs Strydom, as they both had no back, infact i would go as far as to say that Strydom when he won the WBF title looked far better than what Nasser ever did. Nasser was a great bodybuilder and a cool guy back in the day, but he had no Back, Doz had weaker arms well bis really a lot easier to hide than an entire back, only a yates hater would find an arguement, Nasser was all class till he turned around.
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I think we can all agree that judging a bodybuilding show is very subjective in nature and therefore judges' opinions are not the end all, otherwise there would be no speculation on whether judging is fair or any discussion of contest results on this forum. If Nasser was not in the same league as Yates then ND would not have created this thread. I think the strongest evidence that Yates was favoured was the 97 Olympia, and many experts in the industry and fans alike would agree that was not a fair decision.
I think Yates deserved his first 3 Olympias, and after that he had the momentum to his side of being the reigning Mr. Olympia, similar to how the judges favoured Cutler even though most would fee he did not deserve the 07 Olympia.
True, Nasser's placings did drop in his later years, but regardless he was still a first-tier competitor for six consecutive years. He had already made his mark in the sport so it doesn't really matter how he placed after that. Just like we don't judge Tyson on his last few fights because he already made his mark in the sport.
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The simple fact is Nasser never beat Yates. Torn biceps would not stop any bodybuilder winning an Olympia, same as having small calves wouldn't(Coleman has shit calves and won 8!)
Dorian has insane density and dryness. He could come in huge and cut. Nasser often looked very soft from the back.
Nasser had no back, synthol in his shoulders and biceps, starred as George in Seinfeld and sells his worn panties online - this is not Mr O material!
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Dorian would beat Nasser at their respective bests, but at the 97 O. Nasser was robbed big time.
I also think that Nasser could have been better in some of his Olympia shows if he was not competing year-round. Every year Dorian was focusing on just one show, and yet he managed to get injured several times. I respect Dorian as a champion but we have seen him at his best only a couple of times in his short career.
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Nasser had no back, synthol in his shoulders and biceps, starred as George in Seinfeld and sells his worn panties online - this is not Mr O material!
This is Mr O(wning) material
:D
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Dorian would beat Nasser at their respective bests, but at the 97 O. Nasser was robbed big time.
This may be true. For all the talk about 97 I am amazed there is nothing on youtube or the like that shows them standing next to each other, being compared.
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Nassar had too much oil going on and soft lats.....
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who would win? i think the answer is who DID win and it was yates.... every time...next!
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Discuss ;)
Dorian x 6 Olympias > Nasser x 0 Olympias 8)
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Great point!
And "Royalty" 95 was not Nasser's best, he gained about 20 lbs of oil after that year.
Fixed. ;)
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You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.
Nasser can't even do the front lat spread properly that's why you can see his abs and not his lats. It's called the front LAT spread not the front ab spread. ;)
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I'd rather be the one who gets owned on stage if it means not having IFBB-judge-semen-breath 13 years later like Yates still does. ;D
This is nasser's life now. Pathetic. :'(
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Nice!
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Nice to see ya back in the game chester
:)
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I think we can all agree that judging a bodybuilding show is very subjective in nature and therefore judges' opinions are not the end all, otherwise there would be no speculation on whether judging is fair or any discussion of contest results on this forum. If Nasser was not in the same league as Yates then ND would not have created this thread. I think the strongest evidence that Yates was favoured was the 97 Olympia, and many experts in the industry and fans alike would agree that was not a fair decision.
I think Yates deserved his first 3 Olympias, and after that he had the momentum to his side of being the reigning Mr. Olympia, similar to how the judges favoured Cutler even though most would fee he did not deserve the 07 Olympia.
True, Nasser's placings did drop in his later years, but regardless he was still a first-tier competitor for six consecutive years. He had already made his mark in the sport so it doesn't really matter how he placed after that. Just like we don't judge Tyson on his last few fights because he already made his mark in the sport.
I think we can all agree that judging a bodybuilding show is very subjective in nature and therefore judges' opinions are not the end all, otherwise there would be no speculation on whether judging is fair or any discussion of contest results on this forum. If Nasser was not in the same league as Yates then ND would not have created this thread. I think the strongest evidence that Yates was favoured was the 97 Olympia, and many experts in the industry and fans alike would agree that was not a fair decision.
judging competitive bodybuilding is not subjective its pretty black & white and the fact that 13 individual people all come to the same conclusion speaks volumes. and the speculation if whether the judging is fair or not comes from ignorance I'm not surprised how many people on this and other boards are just ignorant and exactly how competitive bodybuilding is judged
And Nasser at his best is in Yates' league from the front , I think his front double biceps & ab thigh at his best easily equals Yates or might even surpass him , but from the sides and the back thats where the story ends completely. and as far as the topic of 1997 is concerned I personally don't think Yates should have won and at the least Nasser should have pushed a closer contest Dorian looks way off from Nasser from the front but from the sides and back its another story even in 1997
I think Yates deserved his first 3 Olympias, and after that he had the momentum to his side of being the reigning Mr. Olympia, similar to how the judges favoured Cutler even though most would fee he did not deserve the 07 Olympia.
first 3 1992/1993/1994 you'd be high if you think 1995 was anything but a Yates' clinic and same with 1996 Yates was the clear winner 1997 I don't agree with however I don't think it was fixed
True, Nasser's placings did drop in his later years, but regardless he was still a first-tier competitor for six consecutive years. He had already made his mark in the sport so it doesn't really matter how he placed after that. Just like we don't judge Tyson on his last few fights because he already made his mark in the sport.
At one time Nasser was a great competitor however his two biggest faults were conditioning & his back he was never going to be Mr Olympia with these liabilities he had his hands full with Dorian at his worse and at his best he would be left for dead
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Nice to see ya back in the game chester
:)
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Dorian looks way off from Nasser from the front but from the sides and back its another story even in 1997
Nasser beating Dorian from the sides. Nasser > Dorian from the front and sides. Dorian > Nasser only from the back.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270645;image)
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Nasser beating Dorian from the sides. Nasser > Dorian from the front and sides. Dorian > Nasser only from the back.
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I'm sure you believe he's beating Yates in those pics and where was Nasser in 1995? if he's clearly beating Dorian in these 1995 pics how did he place 3rd? Oh I know politics ;)
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I'm sure you believe he's beating Yates in those pics and where was Nasser in 1995? if he's clearly beating Dorian in these 1995 pics how did he place 3rd? Oh I know politics ;)
+ Dorian having the advantage of being the reigning Mr. O (like Jay in 07) + Nasser being a newcomer to the top ranks (like Wolf in 07). Yates waist caves outward in the side-chest unlike Nasser's, no abs are visible, chest is not as thick, and delts and arms have less separation. Nasser's chest is also thicker in the side-tricep, and abs much more defined and tighter waist (notice how yates' waist in that pic is pretty much in line with his chest, whereas Nasser's actually comes inward).
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+ Dorian having the advantage of being the reigning Mr. O (like Jay in 07) + Nasser being a newcomer to the top ranks (like Wolf in 07). Yates waist caves outward in the side-chest unlike Nasser's, no abs are visible, chest is not as thick, and delts and arms have less separation. Nasser's chest is also thicker in the side-chest, and abs much more defined and tighter waist (notice how yates' waist in that pic is pretty much in line with his chest, whereas Nasser's actually comes inward).
You're cherry picking , you're picking out everything that YOU think wins the pose and thats not how it works and 1995 was NO contest I wont entertain that like I wont entertain 1993 there was NO contest in 1995
McGough on the 1997 Mr Olympia
Peter McGough on Dorian at the 1997 Mr Olympia
Yates and El Sonbaty represented the battle for first place , and many observers were surprised to learn that Dorian took straight firsts throughout the contest. They thought Nasser had won or at least had forced a closer finish. The consternation can perhaps be explained by one simple fact : From the front , Nasser looks better than Dorian , and when the duo was not involved in comparisons and was just standing in line , Nasser was constantly presenting his best side , while Dorian wasn't .
Compounding this state of affairs was the reality that the reigning Mr Olympia didn't help his case by relaxing his midsection when he was back in line. His midsection , compared to Nasser's clear-cut eight-pack , couldn't help but incite unfavorable observation . The bottom line was that for the better part of two hours Nasser faces the audience showing his physique to its best advantage , while the reverse was true for Dorian.
When the two were compared , Nasser took the front double biceps and abs-and-thighs poses , but as soon as they turned to the side , Dorian's greater development , thickness and detail overshadowed Nasser , and when the champion's back came into play , it was all over. But Yates' overall superiority was only apparent in six comparisons ( three in the relaxed round , and three in the muscularity round ) that he and El Sonbaty were involved in , which accounted for about eight minutes of the two-hour prejudging. Head-to-toe , and when all the angles had been considered , Yates was the clear winner
Objective and Honest and this was Nasser at among his best VS Dorian at his absolute worse , Nasser would be left for dead by an injury free Yates at his best
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Objective and Honest
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Hmm. Nasser with the nice, sliced delineation between quads/hams and v. good neck/trap display. Great Arab genetics? :)
/team nasser still blows, tho ;)
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I expected as much ;) just like when people cry Yates was good friends with Steve Weinberger which is true but they are always reaching they usually get silent when they learn Steve judged Yates in ONE contest and he placed him second behind Momo ( great Arab genetics )
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Nasser and Dorian were always close through poses front and side Doz edged some, nasser edged others, but when they turned around Nasser went from being a top3 contender to having probably the worst rear lat in most Olympias, his back double bi was not as bad when he was dry, but still wasnt top 6, so thats why Nasser never won an olympia, in some poses he was the best, others he was close but there was two poses where he couldnt hang with the top guys, get over it, get on with it, Bodybuilding is the sum of all parts, i will tell you something Charles Glass told me in 1994 you are only as good as your worst bodypart, and never a truer word has been spoken, if your black and its calves, you can overcome genetic deficency with site injects as per Ronnie and Flex, but if its your back, something that covers 25% of your body, and you cant fill it out with oil and maintain some sort of muscle shape, your chances of winning mr olympia against a guy whos best bodypart is his back are non existent.
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I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.
HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.
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Nasser and Dorian were always close through poses front and side Doz edged some, nasser edged others, but when they turned around Nasser went from being a top3 contender to having probably the worst rear lat in most Olympias, his back double bi was not as bad when he was dry, but still wasnt top 6, so thats why Nasser never won an olympia, in some poses he was the best, others he was close but there was two poses where he couldnt hang with the top guys, get over it, get on with it, Bodybuilding is the sum of all parts, i will tell you something Charles Glass told me in 1994 you are only as good as your worst bodypart, and never a truer word has been spoken, if your black and its calves, you can overcome genetic deficency with site injects as per Ronnie and Flex, but if its your back, something that covers 25% of your body, and you cant fill it out with oil and maintain some sort of muscle shape, your chances of winning mr olympia against a guy whos best bodypart is his back are non existent.
Great post ! objective and honest
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If Nasser had a thicker lower back it would have been impossible to deny him the Mr. Olympia
Nasser at his best simply looked better to me, but Yates in '92-'93 was awesome.
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I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.
HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.
That's good stuff! Only used a few crayons, too. :)
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I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.
HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.
ha ha ha poor sharma bravely tries to venture back onto getbig to post his stock replies. His anger at seeing the synthol king mocked so often must be unbearable. His own PARROT like rhetoric is laughable
Has the little goatherder blown himself up yet?
ND destroys the team-gasbag with childish ease. No contest
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You see, here is where I disagree with ND. Even though I wasn't there in 1997 - I saw the 96' Olympia live, but not 97 -, I have watched the video of the show at least ten times over as well as the pics available, and there's no question that Dorian won that show easily. His combo of sheer mass and hardness blew everyone away. Nasser looked small next to Yates, even tough they weighted the same. The only point of contention were his torn left biceps and triceps, but for some reason Dorian didn't show any of the lack in size that you would expect from muscles that had been torn, and the size of his left arm was still roughly comparable to his right one.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I have watched the video of the show at least ten times over as well as the pics available, and there's no question that Dorian won that show easily.
I wouldn't say easily, as it was the closest show by far but he was definitely the best man overall that night.
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dorian did probably have the better physique as per the ifbb judging criteria. but who here looks at the two and honestly thinks dorian looks better? dorian may achieve a higher score in bodybuilding competition due to the nature of the scoring system, but nasser undoubtedly has the physique that's better to look at.
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dorian did probably have the better physique as per the ifbb judging criteria. but who here looks at the two and honestly thinks dorian looks better? dorian may achieve a higher score in bodybuilding competition due to the nature of the scoring system, but nasser undoubtedly has the physique that's better to look at.
If that's the case then there is something seriously wrong with the judging criteria.
And Cuda by top tier I mean top 5-6, he was in the top tier in 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, and 2000 - so six years. During 4 of those 6 six years he beat Levrone and Ray more often than not, and during the first 2-3 of those years he beat Wheeler more often that not. Each of Wheeler, Levrone and Ray also had their bad shows too where they placed around 10th.
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Dorian - 6
Nasshole - 0
is this too difficult for you to accept?
If that's the case then there is something seriously wrong with the judging criteria.
And Cuda by top tier I mean top 5-6, he was in the top tier in 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, and 2000 - so six years. During 4 of those 6 six years he beat Levrone and Ray more often than not, and during the first 2-3 of those years he beat Wheeler more often that not. Each of Wheeler, Levrone and Ray also had their bad shows too where they placed around 10th.
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If that's the case then there is something seriously wrong with the judging criteria.
And Cuda by top tier I mean top 5-6, he was in the top tier in 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, and 2000 - so six years. During 4 of those 6 six years he beat Levrone and Ray more often than not, and during the first 2-3 of those years he beat Wheeler more often that not. Each of Wheeler, Levrone and Ray also had their bad shows too where they placed around 10th.
Get over it, loser. The bottom line is that Dorian is a six-time Olympian while your man crush is a zero. The end. Dorian is regarded by FLEX Magazine as one of four greatest bodybuilders ever, while your boy is nowhere in the list.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If that's the case then there is something seriously wrong with the judging criteria.
And Cuda by top tier I mean top 5-6, he was in the top tier in 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, and 2000 - so six years. During 4 of those 6 six years he beat Levrone and Ray more often than not, and during the first 2-3 of those years he beat Wheeler more often that not. Each of Wheeler, Levrone and Ray also had their bad shows too where they placed around 10th.
Shawn Ray never placed below 5th.
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At their best?!..
So let's say Dorian of Mr. Olympia 1993 vs. Nasser of Arnold Classic 1998..
Dorian: I can't say he was at his best at Mr. Olympia 1995 because of his left bi..
Nasser: he himself stated in Flex Magazine that AC 1998 could be his best shape up to date..
Body Parts:
Traps: draw..
Shoulders: Nasser..
Biceps: Nasser..
Triceps: Dorian..
Forearms: Dorian..
Chest: Nasser..
Abs: Nasser..
Quads: Nasser..
Hams: Nasser..
Back: Dorian..
Calves: Dorian..
Poses:
Front Double Biceps: Nasser..
Rear Lat Spread: Dorian..
Side Chest: Nasser..
Rear Double Biceps: Dorian..
Rear Lat Spread: Dorian..
Side Triceps: Dorian..
Abs & thighs: Nasser..
According to my above opinion Nasser had 6 body parts over Dorian while Dorian had only 4 over him but still I believe Dorian of 93 would beat Nasser of 98.. This is because in 93 Dorian didn't have any weak point, even his muscles that were not as good as Nasser's were still good.. On the other side Nasser at his best in 98 still had a clear weak point which was for sure his back.. Yes his back in 96, 97, or, 98 was not horrible but still it was not close to any of the other top pros (except Paul Dellit whose back was even worse than Nasser's).. And here we are comparing him (Nasser) with Dorian who -in my opinion- had the best back ever.. If this over all comparison was with other top pros who had good backs like Ray or Leverone I may have chosen Nasser but Dorian's back was something else, specially at his best.. Still in this comparison if Nasser had Ray's back for example (which was not as good as Dorian's) he would beat Dorian in the over all.. Ray's back was not as good as Dorian's but still it was very good and at a close level to Dorian's..
I stated that Dorian was better in both the rear biceps and lat spread poses although the rear view of Nasser's arms, shoulders, hams were always better while Dorian was better in only the back and may be calves (still Nasser's calves were from the best ever).. But we can't deny that the back is the most eye catcher and important muscle from the rear, it's a big set that contains many sub muscles and having it bad would destroy the whole view even if you had good arms, hams, and, calves..
The above was an imaginary comparison between Dorian 93 and Nasser 98 but in reality there were more than one contest that Nasser deserved to beat Dorian.. Here I mean Mr. O. 96 and of course Mr. O. 97.. At Mr. Olympia 1997 Nasser received one of the biggest injustice in the history of bodybuilding.. Also may be the English GP in 1996..
Sherief Shalaby.
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If it's about comparing people in their primes, then nasser should not be in this argument.....I can think of many others who have an actual case
Ronnie
Arnold
Wheeler
Haney
Cormier
Jay
Shawn Ray
Levrone
Were talking BBer's in their PRIME....
Nasser....why is this also-ran in peoples head-space?.....sure, a good BBer but no one will remember his name in 10 years....please lets get some perspective
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The 3rd boob from Total Recall.
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At they're respective bests = Dorian.
The last few years of Dorians Mr Olympia's = Nasser.
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Shawn Ray never placed below 5th.
yes he did
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I can understand the "Yates vs Coleman" debate even though I think nobody will be able to clearly end it. But Yates vs Nasser? WTF! Nasser might have been impressive, even at his best he could never touch Yates in 92,93 and 95. He could have rightfully won in 97 but Yates winning is not such a scandal either. Yates at his best is way above Nasser.
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Sherief Shalaby = the new gimmick account?
Desperation must run high
:D