Dorian Yates at his best VS Nasser El Sonbaty at his best : Who would win?

[TrueGrit]

Dorian would beat Nasser at their respective bests, but at the 97 O. Nasser was robbed big time.

This may be true. For all the talk about 97 I am amazed there is nothing on youtube or the like that shows them standing next to each other, being compared.

[jaejonna]

Nassar had too much oil going on and soft lats.....

[brent2741]

who would win? i think the answer is who DID win and it was yates.... every time...next!

[chester_bbb]

Discuss 

Dorian x 6 Olympias > Nasser x 0 Olympias 

[chester_bbb]

Great point!

And "Royalty" 95 was not Nasser's best, he gained about 20 lbs of oil after that year.

Fixed.

[chester_bbb]

You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.

Nasser can't even do the front lat spread properly that's why you can see his abs and not his lats. It's called the front LAT spread not the front ab spread.

[chester_bbb]

I'd rather be the one who gets owned on stage if it means not having IFBB-judge-semen-breath 13 years later like Yates still does. 

This is nasser's life now. Pathetic.

[d0nny2600]

Nice!

[Dreadlord]

Nice to see ya back in the game chester
 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think we can all agree that judging a bodybuilding show is very subjective in nature and therefore judges' opinions are not the end all, otherwise there would be no speculation on whether judging is fair or any discussion of contest results on this forum.  If Nasser was not in the same league as Yates then ND would not have created this thread.  I think the strongest evidence that Yates was favoured was the 97 Olympia, and many experts in the industry and fans alike would agree that was not a fair decision.

I think Yates deserved his first 3 Olympias, and after that he had the momentum to his side of being the reigning Mr. Olympia, similar to how the judges favoured Cutler even though most would fee he did not deserve the 07 Olympia.

True, Nasser's placings did drop in his later years, but regardless he was still a first-tier competitor for six consecutive years.  He had already made his mark in the sport so it doesn't really matter how he placed after that.  Just like we don't judge Tyson on his last few fights because he already made his mark in the sport.

I think we can all agree that judging a bodybuilding show is very subjective in nature and therefore judges' opinions are not the end all, otherwise there would be no speculation on whether judging is fair or any discussion of contest results on this forum.  If Nasser was not in the same league as Yates then ND would not have created this thread.  I think the strongest evidence that Yates was favoured was the 97 Olympia, and many experts in the industry and fans alike would agree that was not a fair decision.

judging competitive bodybuilding is not subjective its pretty black & white and the fact that 13 individual people all come to the same conclusion speaks volumes. and the speculation if whether the judging is fair or not comes from ignorance I'm not surprised how many people on this and other boards are just ignorant and exactly how competitive bodybuilding is judged

And Nasser at his best is in Yates' league from the front , I think his front double biceps & ab thigh at his best easily equals Yates or might even surpass him , but from the sides and the back thats where the story ends completely. and as far as the topic of 1997 is concerned I personally don't think Yates should have won and at the least Nasser should have pushed a closer contest Dorian looks way off from Nasser from the front but from the sides and back its another story even in 1997

I think Yates deserved his first 3 Olympias, and after that he had the momentum to his side of being the reigning Mr. Olympia, similar to how the judges favoured Cutler even though most would fee he did not deserve the 07 Olympia.

first 3 1992/1993/1994 you'd be high if you think 1995 was anything but a Yates' clinic and same with 1996 Yates was the clear winner 1997 I don't agree with however I don't think it was fixed

True, Nasser's placings did drop in his later years, but regardless he was still a first-tier competitor for six consecutive years.  He had already made his mark in the sport so it doesn't really matter how he placed after that.  Just like we don't judge Tyson on his last few fights because he already made his mark in the sport.

At one time Nasser was a great competitor however his two biggest faults were conditioning & his back he was never going to be Mr Olympia with these liabilities he had his hands full with Dorian at his worse and at his best he would be left for dead

[chester_bbb]

Nice to see ya back in the game chester
 

 

[bigbobs]

Dorian looks way off from Nasser from the front but from the sides and back its another story even in 1997

Nasser beating Dorian from the sides.  Nasser > Dorian from the front and sides.  Dorian > Nasser only from the back.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser beating Dorian from the sides.  Nasser > Dorian from the front and sides.  Dorian > Nasser only from the back.

I'm sure you believe he's beating Yates in those pics and where was Nasser in 1995? if he's clearly beating Dorian in these 1995 pics how did he place 3rd? Oh I know politics 

[bigbobs]

I'm sure you believe he's beating Yates in those pics and where was Nasser in 1995? if he's clearly beating Dorian in these 1995 pics how did he place 3rd? Oh I know politics 

+ Dorian having the advantage of being the reigning Mr. O (like Jay in 07) + Nasser being a newcomer to the top ranks (like Wolf in 07).  Yates waist caves outward in the side-chest unlike Nasser's, no abs are visible, chest is not as thick, and delts and arms have less separation.  Nasser's chest is also thicker in the side-tricep, and abs much more defined and tighter waist (notice how yates' waist in that pic is pretty much in line with his chest, whereas Nasser's actually comes inward).

[NarcissisticDeity]

+ Dorian having the advantage of being the reigning Mr. O (like Jay in 07) + Nasser being a newcomer to the top ranks (like Wolf in 07).  Yates waist caves outward in the side-chest unlike Nasser's, no abs are visible, chest is not as thick, and delts and arms have less separation.  Nasser's chest is also thicker in the side-chest, and abs much more defined and tighter waist (notice how yates' waist in that pic is pretty much in line with his chest, whereas Nasser's actually comes inward).

You're cherry picking , you're picking out everything that YOU think wins the pose and thats not how it works and 1995 was NO contest I wont entertain that like I wont entertain 1993 there was NO contest in 1995

McGough on the 1997 Mr Olympia

Peter McGough on Dorian at the 1997 Mr Olympia

Yates and El Sonbaty represented the battle for first place , and many observers were surprised to learn that Dorian took straight firsts throughout the contest. They thought Nasser had won or at least had forced a closer finish. The consternation can perhaps be explained by one simple fact : From the front , Nasser looks better than Dorian , and when the duo was not involved in comparisons and was just standing in line , Nasser was constantly presenting his best side , while Dorian wasn't .

Compounding this state of affairs was the reality that the reigning Mr Olympia didn't help his case by relaxing his midsection when he was back in line. His midsection , compared to Nasser's clear-cut eight-pack , couldn't help but incite unfavorable observation . The bottom line was that for the better part of two hours Nasser faces the audience showing his physique to its best advantage , while the reverse was true for Dorian.

When the two were compared , Nasser took the front double biceps and abs-and-thighs poses , but as soon as they turned to the side , Dorian's greater development , thickness and detail overshadowed Nasser , and when the champion's back came into play , it was all over. But Yates' overall superiority was only apparent in six comparisons ( three in the relaxed round , and three in the muscularity round ) that he and El Sonbaty were involved in , which accounted for about eight minutes of the two-hour prejudging. Head-to-toe , and when all the angles had been considered , Yates was the clear winner

Objective and Honest and this was Nasser at among his best VS Dorian at his absolute worse , Nasser would be left for dead by an injury free Yates at his best

[bigbobs]

Objective and Honest

 

[dr.chimps]

Hmm. Nasser with the nice, sliced delineation between quads/hams and v. good neck/trap display. Great Arab genetics?   

/team nasser still blows, tho 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I expected as much  just like when people cry Yates was good friends with Steve Weinberger which is true but they are always reaching they usually get silent when they learn Steve judged Yates in ONE contest and he placed him second behind Momo ( great Arab genetics )

[honest]

Nasser and Dorian were always close through poses front and side Doz edged some, nasser edged others, but when they turned around Nasser went from being a top3 contender to having probably the worst rear lat in most Olympias, his back double bi was not as bad when he was dry, but still wasnt top 6, so thats why Nasser never won an olympia, in some poses he was the best, others he was close but there was two poses where he couldnt hang with the top guys, get over it, get on with it, Bodybuilding is the sum of all parts, i will tell you something Charles Glass told me in 1994 you are only as good as your worst bodypart, and never a truer word has been spoken, if your black and its calves, you can overcome genetic deficency with site injects as per Ronnie and Flex, but if its your back, something that covers 25% of your body, and you cant fill it out with oil and maintain some sort of muscle shape, your chances of winning mr olympia against a guy whos best bodypart is his back are non existent.

[Sharma]

I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain  that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.

HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser and Dorian were always close through poses front and side Doz edged some, nasser edged others, but when they turned around Nasser went from being a top3 contender to having probably the worst rear lat in most Olympias, his back double bi was not as bad when he was dry, but still wasnt top 6, so thats why Nasser never won an olympia, in some poses he was the best, others he was close but there was two poses where he couldnt hang with the top guys, get over it, get on with it, Bodybuilding is the sum of all parts, i will tell you something Charles Glass told me in 1994 you are only as good as your worst bodypart, and never a truer word has been spoken, if your black and its calves, you can overcome genetic deficency with site injects as per Ronnie and Flex, but if its your back, something that covers 25% of your body, and you cant fill it out with oil and maintain some sort of muscle shape, your chances of winning mr olympia against a guy whos best bodypart is his back are non existent.

Great post ! objective and honest

[Camel Jockey]

If Nasser had a thicker lower back it would have been impossible to deny him the Mr. Olympia

Nasser at his best simply looked better to me, but Yates in '92-'93 was awesome.

[dr.chimps]

I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain  that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.

HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.

That's good stuff! Only used a few crayons, too. 

[Dreadlord]

I think it's pretty obvious that Bigbobs won this argument comfortably. Unlike the pumpkinheads he has a great brain  that has seen him become a success and not the basement dwelling loser and failure of some here. He uses evidence and reason to support his winning argument. All the children who he destroys can do is say pathetic, parrot-like , juvenile things about underwear and oil.

HAHAHA you were owned. Like the Yates monstrosity was owned by Nasser. Nasser beats anyone , he is the greatest ever combination of extreme mass, symmetrical muscle, and aesthetic beauty and flow. No one touch him.
His back is not as bad as some say. look how his kills backzilla's in the middle picture of this Nasser ownage.
Only the sad failed fools who live on the internet cannot give Nasser the praise his physique demands of rational souls. You blame Nasser for your failures and this we can see.

ha ha ha poor sharma bravely tries to venture back onto getbig to post his stock replies. His anger at seeing the synthol king mocked so often must be unbearable. His own PARROT like rhetoric is laughable
Has the little goatherder blown himself up yet?

ND destroys the team-gasbag with childish ease. No contest

[suckmymuscle]

  You see, here is where I disagree with ND. Even though I wasn't there in 1997 - I saw the 96' Olympia live, but not 97 -, I have watched the video of the show at least ten times over as well as the pics available, and there's no question that Dorian won that show easily. His combo of sheer mass and hardness blew everyone away. Nasser looked small next to Yates, even tough they weighted the same. The only point of contention were his torn left biceps and triceps, but for some reason Dorian didn't show any of the lack in size that you would expect from muscles that had been torn, and the size of his left arm was still roughly comparable to his right one.

SUCKMYMUSCLE