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I'm seeing a lot of threads immediately dissolve into thoughtless drivel. A majority of these initiated with some sort of sarcastic response with immediate dissolve of the thread following. insults and sarcasm are OK but have some legit response included.
Now before we got heavy into this presidential election, this forum was performing above and beyond any expectations I had for it. For the most part people were very good and disagreeing and putting forth an intentional reply with some level of thought behind it.
Now some of this lately is probably due to stories hitting hard and much faster and in much greater numbers. But this is the net, infomation is a click away. Take a moment to check your preferred sources and form a legitimate rebuttal to the thread you're posting in.
Let this forum come out of this election better, more knowledgable and exceeding our expections rather than come out as just another owned or stoned forum.
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I'm seeing a lot of threads immediately dissolve into thoughtless drivel. A majority of these initiated with some sort of sarcastic response with immediate dissolve of the thread following. insults and sarcasm are OK but have some legit response included.
Now before we got heavy into this presidential election, this forum was performing above and beyond any expectations I had for it. For the most part people were very good and disagreeing and putting forth an intentional reply with some level of thought behind it.
Now some of this lately is probably due to stories hitting hard and much faster and in much greater numbers. But this is the net, infomation is a click away. Take a moment to check your preferred sources and form a legitimate rebuttal to the thread you're posting in.
Let this forum come out of this election better, more knowledgable and exceeding our expections rather than come out as just another owned or stoned forum.
the same should be said about the starting of the thread in general take a moment and check your preferred sources and form a legitimate arguement dont just spit stuff out to slander.
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the same should be said about the starting of the thread in general take a moment and check your preferred sources and form a legitimate arguement dont just spit stuff out to slander.
I don't post there much anymore because of it. I read some posts and sometimes the ownage game was fun but when every thread falls to it, it's a little much. I assume you meant gossip?
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I don't post there much anymore because of it. I read some posts and sometimes the ownage game was fun but when every thread falls to it, it's a little much.
i meant on this board and the baseless and mindless claims that have threads started about them...just b/c you found it on the net doesnt mean its true.
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i meant on this board and the baseless and mindless claims that have threads started about them...just b/c you found it on the net doesnt mean its true.
This about politics, not truth.
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i meant on this board and the baseless and mindless claims that have threads started about them...just b/c you found it on the net doesnt mean its true.
no, it doesn't but the way to post against that is with information not an eye roll and sarcasm. Just because it's on the net doesn't mean it's wrong. If it's wrong, lay out why it's wrong. I've heard some crazy shit posted from Rush and Fox and Newsmax and Drudge etc.. It's not an excuse for me to launch a sarcastic reply with no substance to rebut the assertions. I've probably fallen to doing it before but I am against it and don't want to see it. It needs to change. We were doing pretty good before. We had a lot more threads that actually went quite a few pages debating the thread topic. I'd just like to see us not lose that.
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This about politics, not truth.
it is but it should not be the goal. I have always tried to find where the truth is. yes, it gets very hard but it's not impossible to pull truths out of the political swamp. If we are to fall to never having any truth obtainable in what we do here, I have no purpose or motivation to continue with any political engagement and will move on.
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I'm seeing a lot of threads immediately dissolve into thoughtless drivel. A majority of these initiated with some sort of sarcastic response with immediate dissolve of the thread following. insults and sarcasm are OK but have some legit response included.
Now before we got heavy into this presidential election, this forum was performing above and beyond any expectations I had for it. For the most part people were very good and disagreeing and putting forth an intentional reply with some level of thought behind it.
Now some of this lately is probably due to stories hitting hard and much faster and in much greater numbers. But this is the net, infomation is a click away. Take a moment to check your preferred sources and form a legitimate rebuttal to the thread you're posting in.
Let this forum come out of this election better, more knowledgable and exceeding our expections rather than come out as just another owned or stoned forum.
Much respect to you, Hugo! Thanks, bro.
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Much respect to you, Hugo! Thanks, bro.
Thank you Colossus, same for you. You usually post with thought and intention, much respected ;)
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no, it doesn't but the way to post against that is with information not an eye roll and sarcasm. Just because it's on the net doesn't mean it's wrong. If it's wrong, lay out why it's wrong. I've heard some crazy shit posted from Rush and Fox and Newsmax and Drudge etc.. It's not an excuse for me to launch a sarcastic reply with no substance to rebut the assertions. I've probably fallen to doing it before but I am against it and don't want to see it. It needs to change. We were doing pretty good before. We had a lot more threads that actually went quite a few pages debating the thread topic. I'd just like to see us not lose that.
I agree bro but the way to end that is do make sure the thread topic is credible not by putting it on another poster to rebuke any mindless drivel they can dig up on the net. Ever heard of russell's tea pot? look it up
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I agree bro but the way to end that is do make sure the thread topic is credible not by putting it on another poster to rebuke any mindless drivel they can dig up on the net. Ever heard of russell's tea pot? look it up
This is the world of spin and there are a million masters of it. Everything out there has someone with a discrediting spin on every individual take. Who's going to be the dictator when it's up to me to say what is legit and what is not? I'd be a full on dictator then. So sorry, you're wrong. The onus is not on making sure everything is credible, the onus is on you to properly discredit it if you believe what someone posted is false. If it cannot be proven false, it's still up to you to argue your case to best support your theory on the issue. Use your intelligence. If you do not believe a case for what is being said is solid, list the holes. Clean up the forum, make your case, show why they're premature in making such conclusions etc etc. Have fun. Nobody is trying to take away the fun. post a few zingers, but we need to stop the unproductive sabatoge of threads by including earnest attempts at debating the thread's point.
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This is the world of spin and there are a million masters of it. Everything out there has someone with a discrediting spin on every individual take. Who's going to be the dictator when it's up to me to say what is legit and what is not? I'd be a full on dictator then. So sorry, you're wrong. The onus is not on making sure everything is credible, the onus is on you to properly discredit it if you believe what someone posted is false. If it cannot be proven false, it's still up to you to argue your case to best support your theory on the issue. Use your intelligence. If you do not believe a case for what is being said is solid, list the holes. Clean up the forum, make your case, show why they're premature in making such conclusions etc etc. Have fun. Nobody is trying to take away the fun. post a few zingers, but we need to stop the unproductive sabatoge of threads by including earnest attempts at debating the thread's point.
or i could start a crusade of right wing bloggers and start a new thread for every retarted unsubstantiated rumor they can dig up...sound good?
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If you want to fix this forum, tell 240 he doesn't have to start a new thread every time he sees something new on CNN. Oh and tell the non-Americans to mind their own business when it comes to our great country. They are being disrespectful, especially MattT.
I'll mod this forum, you mod yours. If you want non-Americans to butt out, as I do, please call your representatives and the white house and tell them to stop fucking with the affairs countless other nations, nation building, and policing the world. As I see it now, if we're going to constantly fuck in the affairs of other nations and the world, they have a stake in expressing their opinion on American affairs... especially since we have absolutely made the rest of the world our affair. But I'm with you on that, I would like them to stay out of our affairs, but under the current situation I cannot in good conscience demand any such thing--unfortunately their voice is justified. Get this shit changed and I'll be pissing red white and blue and changing my name to George fucking Washington.
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or i could start a crusade of right wing bloggers and start a new thread for every retarted unsubstantiated rumor they can dig up...sound good?
Do whatever you want... a few weeks ago I was called on to limit unpopular rightwing sources from the board. I defended sources used by several of the boards rightwing members and insisted there would be no such thing happen. So you go on and get what you got and post it instead of getting all righteous when it isn't going your way... I for one remember all this crazy unsubstantiated rumor crap flying about Obama not long ago. We did what we could to refute the bullshit.
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Apart from Hugo's point, like I told Danny in the last thread, anyone wants to cut me a check for all the tax money paid by myself and my family to the US gov I'll stop talking. Trust me, I'd rather have the cash, seriously. No joke, would be great.
Don't forget, the US will chase ppl for tax money till the day they die even if they never set foot in the USA, unless they live somewhere with a tax agreement.
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Do whatever you want... a few weeks ago I was called on to limit unpopular rightwing sources from the board. I defended sources used by several of the boards rightwing members and insisted there would be no such thing happen. So you go on and get what you got and post it instead of getting all righteous when it isn't going your way... I for one remember all this crazy unsubstantiated rumor crap flying about Obama not long ago. We did what we could to refute the bullshit.
im not getting rightous im trying to keep this board a pleasent place but im thinking that you will change your mind when me and 240 are both spamming the board with mindless shit.
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im not getting rightous im trying to keep this board a pleasent place but im thinking that you will change your mind when me and 240 are both spamming the board with mindless shit.
really, is that what you think? You don't know me clearly. You might think different if you saw the original Mod agreements that I was instrumental in wording. I defended and insisted on the right for you to do exactly that. If it's political and you have a point to make, bring it boy... bring it all you want... I expect people to not come in and just drop a sarcastic remark without some serious refute. If you want to post that you think Obama is a closet home, go for it. It's your opinion. As always the topics people don't want to talk about just drop away to page 2. No big deal. The topics that people engage in stay bumped. no big deal. I like it that way.
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really, is that what you think? You don't know me clearly. You might think different if you saw the original Mod agreements that I was instrumental in wording. I defended and insisted on the right for you to do exactly that. If it's political and you have a point to make, bring it boy... bring it all you want... I expect people to not come in and just drop a sarcastic remark without some serious refute. If you want to post that you think Obama is a closet home, go for it. It's your opinion. As always the topics people don't want to talk about just drop away to page 2. No big deal. The topics that people engage in stay bumped. no big deal. I like it that way.
i agree, but you must admit that there is a certain line that can be crossed in spamming of the board and in my mind that line has been crossed doesnt have to do with it being about slandering a republican its the honest truth. There have been some threads started within the last 2 days that have no real political legitimacy what so ever.
Im going to hold you to this hugo b/c im gonna come with some retarted shit bro just like many have in the past 2 days so ill need your help to keep my threads clean.
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i agree, but you must admit that there is a certain line that can be crossed in spamming of the board and in my mind that line has been crossed doesnt have to do with it being about slandering a republican its the honest truth. There have been some threads started within the last 2 days that have no real political legitimacy what so ever.
Im going to hold you to this hugo b/c im gonna come with some retarted shit bro just like many have in the past 2 days so ill need your help to keep my threads clean.
yea, go ahead. Look, This Palin stuff, what are we talking, a matter of days?. I've been doing this a while now, it will die down and then Obama or some other dem will be in the limelight. Spamming the board is selling product. I was very insistant on the right of Jag or whoever to come in here and post 10 threads. I've done it, several people have done it... It's no big deal. The threads that are crap, nobody replies to and they fall off. If you do a good job and bring something good, you will have people shooting it out and the thread will stay on top until we're all done. easy deal. Now this isn't licence to post every 32 seconds saying Obama is a homo, Obama is a dealer, Obama is a goatfucker until the whole page is filled. The board has never had that happen and I think we're all adult enough to see what's kosher and what's not. by all means, run around to the blogs, the news sites, wherever you like, come up with your own theories or whatever and post away. It's what this board is for and it's what's made this board fun and successful. When you boil down what I'm asking for, it's really pretty minor and really what separates this board from some crappy owned or stoned board. So remember, have fun, shoot some zingers but just have the respect to form some sort of rebuttal so the debate can happen. And this isn't unreasonable, if someone posts a joke thread, I stay the hell out of it no matter what. There's got to be some fun and good common sense will tell you when it's ok to just shoot the shit and laugh it up or when to post serious.
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I have to say Hugo I think you and BB do a great job, and generally the board runs smooth.
It's an up and down, was Obama, now it's Palin. People only reply as they are interested. If I toss up a thread on Caymanian tax, no one will care. Not like I agree with everyone, but I enjoy reading 99% of posters opinions and learn alot as well. And to everyone's credit, note the truly nasty comments are never made on this board. The G&O is littered.
As far as 240, I realize he may annoy some, but in his defense at least he brings news and makes it interesting.
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If I toss up a thread on Caymanian tax, no one will care.
I would
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I find it funny how people complain that Bluto starts pointless threads, yet no one says a word how 240 starts 20 threads a day on here, usually never anything worth discussing, just news he catches on CNN or Foxnews. You honestly don't think he is overdoing it in some weird quest to beat Bluto in threads started or whatever he has been doing?
no not at all
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yea, go ahead. Look, This Palin stuff, what are we talking, a matter of days?. I've been doing this a while now, it will die down and then Obama or some other dem will be in the limelight. Spamming the board is selling product. I was very insistant on the right of Jag or whoever to come in here and post 10 threads. I've done it, several people have done it... It's no big deal. The threads that are crap, nobody replies to and they fall off. If you do a good job and bring something good, you will have people shooting it out and the thread will stay on top until we're all done. easy deal. Now this isn't licence to post every 32 seconds saying Obama is a homo, Obama is a dealer, Obama is a goatfucker until the whole page is filled. The board has never had that happen and I think we're all adult enough to see what's kosher and what's not. by all means, run around to the blogs, the news sites, wherever you like, come up with your own theories or whatever and post away. It's what this board is for and it's what's made this board fun and successful. When you boil down what I'm asking for, it's really pretty minor and really what separates this board from some crappy owned or stoned board. So remember, have fun, shoot some zingers but just have the respect to form some sort of rebuttal so the debate can happen. And this isn't unreasonable, if someone posts a joke thread, I stay the hell out of it no matter what. There's got to be some fun and good common sense will tell you when it's ok to just shoot the shit and laugh it up or when to post serious.
again i agree but you must also agree that some of the threads started by 240 in the past 2 days not to mention the past 2 weeks. months are repetitive and baseless mindless drivel. He does have good threads but he clearly posts 15 to 20 threads a day and not all are good threads or have political legitimacy. But like you said the bad threads fall through and again im going to hold you to your words on this thread.
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I find it funny how people complain that Bluto starts pointless threads, yet no one says a word how 240 starts 20 threads a day on here, usually never anything worth discussing, just news he catches on CNN or Foxnews. You honestly don't think he is overdoing it in some weird quest to beat Bluto in threads started or whatever he has been doing?
haha but people click on Bluto's threads
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I have to say Hugo I think you and BB do a great job, and generally the board runs smooth.
It's an up and down, was Obama, now it's Palin. People only reply as they are interested. If I toss up a thread on Caymanian tax, no one will care. Not like I agree with everyone, but I enjoy reading 99% of posters opinions and learn alot as well. And to everyone's credit, note the truly nasty comments are never made on this board. The G&O is littered.
As far as 240, I realize he may annoy some, but in his defense at least he brings news and makes it interesting.
true and within a few days 90% of the threads posted will turn out to be far left bloggers throwing mud and no retractions we be given. But i would hope that those who slandered here in getbig will do the right thing and make a thread to retract theirs.
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I find it funny how people complain that Bluto starts pointless threads, yet no one says a word how 240 starts 20 threads a day on here, usually never anything worth discussing, just news he catches on CNN or Foxnews. You honestly don't think he is overdoing it in some weird quest to beat Bluto in threads started or whatever he has been doing?
Hey, I really learn alot seriously. I personally enjoy 240 and his flair for the drama. Note I rarely start threads myself - I average 2 a year on politics, so someone has to. I like mostly everyone's input. If thread starters annoy folks the option to not click is there, is what I do Moose's threads on the G&O lol.
And where's my tax money? I have my eye on a spanky new car from my Danielson provided tax refund >:(
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Hey, I really learn alot seriously. I personally enjoy 240 and his flair for the drama. Note I rarely start threads myself - I average 2 a year on politics, so someone has to. I like mostly everyone's input. If thread starters annoy folks the option to not click is there, is what I do Moose's threads on the G&O lol.
And where's my tax money? I have my eye on a spanky new car from my Danielson provided tax refund >:(
its hard not clicking on a thread of his when 20+ belong to him on the first page b/c he has started 30+ with 24 hours.
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He has started 55 threads on the politics board in the past 3 days alone. You don't think that is excessive?
fuking exactly, i mean honestly
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I used to read the politics board, then 240 start regurgitating every story CNN plays, now matter how small. I have cable, I don't need a play by play from him. I have no idea why the mods don't just give him his own little blog thread, it's way past ridiculous at this point.
lol hmmmm good idea
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I haven't had an issue with him posting that much. Everyone seems to be attacking him. Hardly any discussion.
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I find it funny how people complain that Bluto starts pointless threads, yet no one says a word how 240 starts 20 threads a day on here, usually never anything worth discussing, just news he catches on CNN or Foxnews. You honestly don't think he is overdoing it in some weird quest to beat Bluto in threads started or whatever he has been doing?
Bluto doesn't post here so I don't know what you mean. I have no issue with what 240 does here, he brings shit he wants hashed out and usually spends the time to hash it out. Oh and 240 has way more posts than Bluto anyway but I doubt he gives a shit. He's wiped his post count back to a few thousand once from this account, and counting his 240 or bust account, he has way more than Bluto. I doubt he gives a shit like bluto does.
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again i agree but you must also agree that some of the threads started by 240 in the past 2 days not to mention the past 2 weeks. months are repetitive and baseless mindless drivel. He does have good threads but he clearly posts 15 to 20 threads a day and not all are good threads or have political legitimacy. But like you said the bad threads fall through and again im going to hold you to your words on this thread.
no, i don't agree.
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He has started 55 threads on the politics board in the past 3 days alone. You don't think that is excessive?
what the fuck do you care? I'd be shocked if you have over 20 posts here. I for one read most of what he brings and out of all his posts, a fair amount of them do end up getting debated at length. So what!!! That is the name of the game here and will stay that way for everyone.
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I used to read the politics board, then 240 start regurgitating every story CNN plays, now matter how small. I have cable, I don't need a play by play from him. I have no idea why the mods don't just give him his own little blog thread, it's way past ridiculous at this point.
then don't read it, bye bye.
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Why does my great country owe you money CQ ???
YOU do if you want me to not discuss US politics. Not like I should have had to pay for well over a decade, and not speak.
So, Option A - respect that or Option B - cut me check. [I like option B best plz :D]
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Then what gives? How does someone start 55 threads in three days about things that everyone of us knows about from our news channels if they are not trolling?
So we can talk about it, nothing new there. as I said a million times, the threads that nobody wants to talk about vanish to page 2 right away. The threads the intrigue and there are several, end up getting hashed out... It works. I see it works and it will stay that way. This wild on Palin thing doesn't happen that often. Sometimes it's a dem in the scopes. It's best we wade this episodes rather than change policy. With political animosities what they are, this forum isn't the easiest to mod. Sometimes it take time to think out what's best. Changing coarse permanently for a storm is a mistake. The storm is real and we see it reflected here. There are those who want to see the storm buried. That's not happening. The people who care should fight the storm and then dish it when it's time.
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When I see a troll, I call him out. You just stay the fuck out of my business and keep your trap shut.
bye bye... can't have the mods being told to keep their traps shut and stay out of board business.
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Well, if you want to bash great war heroes, knock yourself out I guess :(
Bored again Danny, so stirring up I see. Making it up as you go along.
Btw - hope your pleased by driving me from the Mr Getbig with your 200+ complaints btw. You succeeded in that, so why not lay off me now.
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what the fuck do you care? I'd be shocked if you have over 20 posts here. I for one read most of what he brings and out of all his posts, a fair amount of them do end up getting debated at length. So what!!! That is the name of the game here and will stay that way for everyone.
the vast vast majority of his threads fail, why not save the threads for the ones that have a higher likely hood of sticking?
At any rate im tired of argueing it but ill do my best to keep up with his thread count and spam just like he does :P
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the vast vast majority of his threads fail, why not save the threads for the ones that have a higher likely hood of sticking?
At any rate im tired of argueing it but ill do my best to keep up with his thread count and spam just like he does :P
trust me, for politics and fairness, the slope is much slicker when the call is made on what to limit and what to not. You knock yourself out, post away.
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I used to read the politics board, then 240 start regurgitating every story CNN plays, now matter how small. I have cable, I don't need a play by play from him. I have no idea why the mods don't just give him his own little blog thread, it's way past ridiculous at this point.
Danielson,
The solution is really very simple. If you don't like 240's threads, ...don't click on them. No one says you have to.
Personally, I think 240 is a great contribution to the board. He follows what's going on, and he's got a sharp mind, his posts are usually quite inciteful. Granted, I frequently have trouble keeping up with many of them, but that's ok.
I think the challenge here is that some people think that a thread with the subject heading about Palin's Trooper-Gate scandal, should also include information about her policy stance vis-a-vis abortion and/or drilling, and/or Alaskan secessionism (if that's a word). I don't agree. Each one is a separate issue and is worthy of it's own discussion thread. A reader may not care about her position on abortion, ...but then again they might, ...and to hide that in a thread about drilling in Alaska is unfair to readers and contributors. Each subject he posts is clearly marked. If we do what we're supposed to do as contributors and stick to the topic at hand rather than veer off into nowhere, or simply attacking the messenger rather than the message, following the discussions becomes alot easier.
as well if it's a legitimate news story being discussed in the press, ...it's fair game for discussion here imo.
Lastly, hugo, I have to commend you for this subject and the direction you're looking to take the board (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/thumbup.gif) (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/thumbup.gif)
When CQ starts getting attacked, ...you know frustration is rampant, and people just need to chill.
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When CQ starts getting attacked, ...you know frustration is rampant, and people just need to chill.
That's the MO lately, I notice I am starting to get racial slurs again.
And I am opinionated yes, but listen to others views and don't attack less pushed repeatedly.
I agree with little Collosos, Berzerk, Shoot, Beach and others say, and they disagree with me, but we are always pretty polite. Same with some others. No need to be nasty to folks, but I guess if that's the home training they have - what can I say.