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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Harley Buckshot on September 03, 2008, 07:38:21 PM
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I hear this stuff will give u a mild thermogenic effect..
http://www.musle-man.com/catalog/images/DNP_2,4_Dinitrophenol_musle-man.jpg
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that doesnt look legit :(
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that doesnt look legit :(
Harley is not so legit!
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2,4 DNP.... Please take 30mg per kg/bw. If you feel your internal organ cooking, it's normal.
Keep us posted.
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Harley is not so legit!
But at least Harley is not a DA nut hugger like you Elite :D
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But at least Harley is not a DA nut hugger like you Elite :D
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That shit aint real. And after everything I've learned about the stupid things pro's do, I truly hope taking DNP is not a regular one of them.
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I wouldn't put these in my mouth.
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Years ago some body posted a thread about DNP and Doison explained that this stuff could very easily kill you if you aren't careful because you could overheat
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DNP was pretty popular early 2000's. There has been many incidents.
I doubt it sill is as they are better ways to shed anyway.
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2,4-dinitrophenol is the main ingredient in bug sprays such as RAID. Bodybuilders of questionable sanity have used it to lose fat. It is a great way to go from 5% to 3% bodyfat. It is also a great way to kill yourself, and more than a few bodybuilders have. It is very easy to overdose, and once you do its 3 days of knowing you're going to die, and knowing there is nothing you can do about it.
No supplement company is going to sell it, which means that the product shown above is only made to sound like it contains 2,4-dinitrophenol, or only contains it in trace amounts.
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The stuff was used many many decades ago before the 2nd world war or some shit like that...And brought back to life recently...
Anytime you are knowingly fcking with your organs...Its probably a wise choice to seek and alternative...
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It is a great way to go from 5% to 3% bodyfat. It is very easy to overdose, and once you do its 3 days of knowing you're going to die, and knowing there is nothing you can do about it.
All worth it.
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Pros use that stuff to help dilate their anus's before meeting with schmoes. Just ask Guy Grundy.
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Pros use that stuff to help dilate their anus's before meeting with schmoes. Just ask Guy Grundy.
that's amyl nitrate
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that's amyl nitrate
How is it "administrated"? like "poppers"? ;D
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that's amyl nitrate
Or as Guy Grundy calls it, "ANAL NITRATE" So that he can have his anus annihalated in the Golds Gym posing room.
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Or as Guy Grundy calls it, "ANAL NITRATE" So that he can have his anus annihalated in the Golds Gym posing room.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I keep telling people on other boards they have to be fucking insane to use that shit. Guys who aren't even competing are using it to "cut" from 20% bf to 12% bf....fucking idiots. Everyone always says "oh it's not that bad and it takes a lot to OD on it" well even if it does, once you OD you are dead, no ifs ands or buts about it. It's not like if you go hypo on slin and can pop some sugar or drink a pepsi, your insides just melt until you're taking a dirt nap.
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DNp is an ingredient in dynamite? no?
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Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder....yep yep yep!
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Some body fat loss, a LOT of sweating, not being able to sleep, feeling like shit and being weak as a lamb.
Same report from everyone who's tried it. At least the ones that have survived.
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this Year in Münster/Germany a young Bodybuilder was found dead in his house. The pathology doctors detected that a overdose of DNP caused the death.
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It is very easy to overdose, and once you do its 3 days of knowing you're going to die, and knowing there is nothing you can do about it.
we're dying every day we are alive brother. I bet those 3 days are liberating as fuck! HOLLA!
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2,4 DNP.... Please take 30mg per kg/bw. If you feel your internal organ cooking, it's normal.
Keep us posted.
Sound advice. ;)
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what's up with the putdowns on guy grundy and the "anal dilation"? you guys know something about him that most of us on this board don't?!
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Some body fat loss, a LOT of sweating, not being able to sleep, feeling like shit and being weak as a lamb.
Same report from everyone who's tried it. At least the ones that have survived.
i've taken it, and yes thats the general sides.
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To anyone actually interested in it:
Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives, and pesticides.
DNP was used extensively in the 1930s in diet pills after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on the drug's ability to greatly increase metabolic rate. DNP acts as a protonophore in the mitochondrial membrane, uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation and making ATP energy production less efficient. In effect, part of the energy that is normally produced from cellular respiration is wasted as heat. This inefficiency is proportional to the dose of DNP that is taken. Thus, as the dose increases and energy production is made less efficient, the metabolic rate is increased (and more fat is burned) in order to compensate for the inefficiency and meet energy demands. Interestingly, the factor that limits ever increasing doses of DNP is not a lack of ATP energy production, but rather an excessive rise in body temperature due to the heat produced during uncoupling. Accordingly, DNP overdose will cause a fatal fever. Studies have shown that an acute administration of 20-50 mg/kg in humans is lethal[1]. Concerns about dangerous side-effects and rapidly developing cataracts resulted in DNP being discontinued in the United States by the end of 1938. DNP, however, continues to be sold on the internet illegally, targeting bodybuilders and athletes who want to rapidly lose body fat. Fatal overdoses are reported on occasion.[2][3][4]
Some advocates of the drug advise people to take doses of 5-8 mg/kg daily. It's commonly advised, however, that the dose be slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly.[5]
There is limited and conflicting data on the pharmacokinetics of DNP in humans. The EPA states that "Data on the elimination kinetics of the dinitrophenols or their metabolic products in humans were not found."[6] The ATSDR's Toxicological Profile for Dinitrophenols also states that "No studies were located regarding distribution in humans after oral exposure to 2,4-DNP. Limited information is available regarding distribution in animals after oral exposure to 2,4-DNP." However, they do state that "Elimination from the body appears to be rapid, except possibly in cases of compromised liver function."[7] This conincides with a review in the NEJM on the biological actions of dinitrophenol, which stated that "Judging from the metabolic response, DNP appears to be eliminated entirely in three or four days; in the presence of liver or kidney damage it is possible that the drug will be retained over a longer period."[8] Oddly, more recent papers give an array of possible half-lives, ranging from 3 hours[9], to 5-14 days.[1] Other recent papers maintain that the half-life in humans is unknown.[4]
In a study on mice, a lethal dose of 35 mg/kg decreased to 5 mg/kg body weight when the environmental temperature was raised to 39° C (102.2° F).[1] As the ambient temperature increases, so does the risk of overheating. People who use increased ambient temperatures for weight-loss, such as wrestlers and runners, are potentially at greater risk of overdose.
Although further investigation is needed, dinitrophenol-induced hyperthermia has been successfully resolved with dantrolene administration.[10] "Dinitrophenol uncouples oxidative phosphorylation, causes release of calcium from mitochondrial stores and prevents calcium re-uptake. This leads to free intracellular calcium and causes muscle contraction and hyperthermia. Dantrolene inhibits calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum which reduces intracellular calcium. The resulting muscle relaxation allows heat dissipation. There is little risk to dantrolene administration. Since dantrolene may be effective in reducing hyperthermia caused by agents that inhibit oxidative phosphorylation, early administration may improve outcome."[11]
While DNP itself is considered by many to be too risky for human use, its mechanism of action remains under investigation as a potential approach for treating obesity.[12] Currently, research is being conducted on uncoupling proteins naturally found in humans
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Living the dream.
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Some body fat loss, a LOT of sweating, not being able to sleep, feeling like shit and being weak as a lamb.
Same report from everyone who's tried it. At least the ones that have survived.
Ronnie in that cop meeting on the MITs video, where he's sweating nonstop in a room where no one else is, even the obese cops.
I always scratched my head and wondered if he dabbled in it.
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DNP is probably healthier for you than Usnic Acid (another uncoupler) which is sold by Palumbo and some other supplement companies. That is if you don't OD.
Cataracts is probably the main concern.
I wouldn't take it but from my readings it's like insulin, you gotta get the dosage right.
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No supplement company is going to sell it, which means that the product shown above is only made to sound like it contains 2,4-dinitrophenol, or only contains it in trace amounts.
I don't know what the product in the pic is but UG labs have fancy labels too. Could be totally legit.
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we're dying every day we are alive brother. I bet those 3 days are liberating as fuck! HOLLA!
not went you bedridden and shitting out your organs.
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not went you bedridden and shitting out your organs.
actually bedridden, sweating fat, and cooking your internal organs
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this Year in Münster/Germany a young Bodybuilder was found dead in his house. The pathology doctors detected that a overdose of DNP caused the death.
Ich finde echt schockierend wieviele z.B. auf Andro diesen Dreck schon eingeschmissen haben. Ich meine, wie verzweifelt kann man sein?? ::)
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At least all your workout bros will be in awe of your shredded condition at the funeral.
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Ich finde echt schockierend wieviele z.B. auf Andro diesen Dreck schon eingeschmissen haben. Ich meine, wie verzweifelt kann man sein?? ::)
Das behaupten sie. Das heisst lange nicht, dass sie es wirklich getan haben.
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alot of people talking on this thread who have never used the stuff ::)
why not give your experiences rather than blind generalisations
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At least all your workout bros will be in awe of your shredded condition at the funeral.
Correct. Its all about priorities.
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another side is neon yellow sperm :-X
a very difficult thing to explain to your girl after you come in her mouth. still i told her she should be happy as not only is she getting plenty of protein, but it'll also help her lose a few pounds. she was not amused. :-\
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whats the halflife on dnp?
i read about it a while ago...it builds up in your system, so even if you take a small dose, you could OD.
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another side is neon yellow sperm :-X
a very difficult thing to explain to your girl after you come in her mouth. still i told her she should be happy as not only is she getting plenty of protein, but it'll also help her lose a few pounds. she was not amused. :-\
OMG was that fucking funny...........
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DNP
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Ronnie in that cop meeting on the MITs video, where he's sweating nonstop in a room where no one else is, even the obese cops.
I always scratched my head and wondered if he dabbled in it.
all of that muscle = high basal metabolic rate which sometimes = a lot more sweating.
Not sure if even Ronnie is brave enough to mes with DNP
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I don't know what the product in the pic is but UG labs have fancy labels too. Could be totally legit.
Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)
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Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)
dumb ;D
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DNP
Agreed!
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whats the halflife on dnp?
i read about it a while ago...it builds up in your system, so even if you take a small dose, you could OD.
That is correct.
Ask ALR.
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Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)
What? The point was that the label doesn't say if it's good or not.
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alot of people talking on this thread who have never used the stuff ::)
why not give your experiences rather than blind generalisations
you never taken enough to OD, according to the people on this thread, sounds like your experience is limited and lacking.
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Where's gh15 when you need him..... :-\
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you never taken enough to OD, according to the people on this thread, sounds like your experience is limited and lacking.
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i tapered up to 800mg, over 2 weeks.
i know enough to know i would never take it again, the sides are terrible, and i personally didn't get any fat loss from it ( unless i compensated with water bloat from the gallons i was drinking each day).
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i tapered up to 800mg, over 2 weeks.
i know enough to know i would never take it again, the sides are terrible, and i personally didn't get any fat loss from it ( unless i compensated with water bloat from the gallons i was drinking each day).
WTF :o :o :o Are you suicidal?
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WTF :o :o :o Are you suicidal?
the quest for 8 minute abs will make you do crazy things :-[
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DNp is an ingredient in dynamite? no?
No
The Beef
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Duchaine used to be a big proponent of it.
I think it helped to speed along his demise.
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Duchaine used to be a big proponent of it.
I think it helped to speed along his demise.
I was going to mention Dan "Insane" Duchaine. He was literally obsessed with drugs. Too bad, because he was a smart guy.
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I was going to mention Dan "Insane" Duchaine. He was literally obsessed with drugs. Too bad, because he was a smart guy.
Dan's buddy Michael Zumpano said he thought Mike and/or Ray Mentzer died due to DNP use. He said he knew they were experimenting with it.
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Just another example of the idiotic things bodybuilders will do looking for an edge. Totally absurd.
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I agree that it is completely wreckless, I used it twice years ago before the dnpguru got nailed cause that kid he supplied od'd off some rec drugs that didn't react too well with the stuff... it was still relatively obscure at that point when I did it and I wanted to see for myself what all the talk was about.
I used it on 2 occasions, I am not going to explain dose or protocol, if you are insane enough to do it like I was, do your own research... the end result was roughly a pound of fat burned off a day in the end, the difference is much more apparent when the initial water retention goes away after you discontinue use.
sounds great right? well... after day 3 or 4, there was no way in hell I could do even light workouts, literally getting out of bed getting ready for the day, was brutal. it was like having the flu without the runny nose, I felt like absolute shit. I remember going to the mall with my girlfriend at the time and feeling like I was just going to collapse as we walked around, like I had been sprinting all day or something... it just felt like my legs were going to give out.
it is muscle sparing, but it has a double edged sword. you need carbs on it, and you will crave the shit out of them, junk food you never thought you would eat starts to look really fucking good. only one of the aspects of the chemical if I recall correctly is it burns carbs immediately eliminating the way you might store excess carbs as energy or fat. so every time you eat, it gets much worse for an hour or two, I felt like I was melting and could hardly get out of bed, had to sleep with a cold pack on my neck and a fan blasting me at all times, this was the middle of winter and it was below freezing outside.
I remember reading they first discovered its weightloss properties were found due to the fact that everyone that worked with it in the dynamite industry was getting shredded handling the stuff, and it became populare for weightloss til ill informed people started dropping from it, its a very precise process and just like insulin if you don't know what you are doing you can seriously fuck yourself up, and death is not a far off possibility if you are wreckless.
I would never recommend it to anyone, but if you feel the need to absolutely do this, please do all of your research from numerous information sources as some of the indications can be contradictory.. and if you are into rec drugs you are just asking for trouble... most of the problems people had were complicated by their other vices.
don't think you are going to be up and about or even if you have to work stand all day, you won't last, and people will notice that you look and feel like death. another nice side effect, it turns your jizz yellow.... and some people sweat yellow though I didn't have the sweat coloration issue.... you would need to take in tons of water as well as you will sweat 24 hrs a day, and wake up in a swamp in the morning and sleep like shit... if you live in a warm climate I don't even know how you would would function... it made me weak as a kitten.
long term effects are great too, with cataracts being reported as very common.. I was able to walk away unscathed as I have always been pretty resilient in that regard, but everyone is different, and what is a tiny dosage for one person another may have a brutal reaction to, and due to the half life it will sneak up on you the first couple days so you may not think it is working, and might be tempted to take more.. don't worry about the slow start as it will hit you like a fucking freight train eventually... and if you decided to take more early on.. there is no reversing your mistake, I remember reading numerous stories about ER visits and ice baths etc.
Thats about all I have to say on the matter, please don't pm me for any more info or advice as I won't discuss it... I was young and liked being a human guinea pig subjecting myself to experiments like this... much older and wiser now, and I will never touch it again, and to those even considering it, I am sure your perspective is going to be drastically different 5-10 years down the road... this isn't hype like all the exaggerated shit about juice you read in the media, its genuine bad shit. I would say do yourself a favor and listen carefully to the many people that have actually been there and done that, you have no idea what you are in store for unless you try it. learn from others mistakes.
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But at least Harley is not a DA nut hugger like you Elite :D
all you talk about is da what the fuck
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DNP, Cheque Drops & Stenox... and the title is yours.
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DNP, Cheque Drops & Stenox... and the title is yours.
You'll take the trophy whether you won it or not.