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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2008, 06:30:37 AM »
what's up with the putdowns on guy grundy and the "anal dilation"? you guys know something about him that most of us on this board don't?!

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2008, 06:40:14 AM »
Some body fat loss, a LOT of sweating, not being able to sleep, feeling like shit and being weak as a lamb.
Same report from everyone who's tried it. At least the ones that have survived.

i've taken it, and yes thats the general sides.
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2008, 06:44:03 AM »
To anyone actually interested in it:

Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives, and pesticides.
DNP was used extensively in the 1930s in diet pills after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on the drug's ability to greatly increase metabolic rate. DNP acts as a protonophore in the mitochondrial membrane, uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation and making ATP energy production less efficient. In effect, part of the energy that is normally produced from cellular respiration is wasted as heat. This inefficiency is proportional to the dose of DNP that is taken. Thus, as the dose increases and energy production is made less efficient, the metabolic rate is increased (and more fat is burned) in order to compensate for the inefficiency and meet energy demands. Interestingly, the factor that limits ever increasing doses of DNP is not a lack of ATP energy production, but rather an excessive rise in body temperature due to the heat produced during uncoupling. Accordingly, DNP overdose will cause a fatal fever. Studies have shown that an acute administration of 20-50 mg/kg in humans is lethal[1]. Concerns about dangerous side-effects and rapidly developing cataracts resulted in DNP being discontinued in the United States by the end of 1938. DNP, however, continues to be sold on the internet illegally, targeting bodybuilders and athletes who want to rapidly lose body fat. Fatal overdoses are reported on occasion.[2][3][4]

Some advocates of the drug advise people to take doses of 5-8 mg/kg daily. It's commonly advised, however, that the dose be slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly.[5]

There is limited and conflicting data on the pharmacokinetics of DNP in humans. The EPA states that "Data on the elimination kinetics of the dinitrophenols or their metabolic products in humans were not found."[6] The ATSDR's Toxicological Profile for Dinitrophenols also states that "No studies were located regarding distribution in humans after oral exposure to 2,4-DNP. Limited information is available regarding distribution in animals after oral exposure to 2,4-DNP." However, they do state that "Elimination from the body appears to be rapid, except possibly in cases of compromised liver function."[7] This conincides with a review in the NEJM on the biological actions of dinitrophenol, which stated that "Judging from the metabolic response, DNP appears to be eliminated entirely in three or four days; in the presence of liver or kidney damage it is possible that the drug will be retained over a longer period."[8] Oddly, more recent papers give an array of possible half-lives, ranging from 3 hours[9], to 5-14 days.[1] Other recent papers maintain that the half-life in humans is unknown.[4]

In a study on mice, a lethal dose of 35 mg/kg decreased to 5 mg/kg body weight when the environmental temperature was raised to 39° C (102.2° F).[1] As the ambient temperature increases, so does the risk of overheating. People who use increased ambient temperatures for weight-loss, such as wrestlers and runners, are potentially at greater risk of overdose.

Although further investigation is needed, dinitrophenol-induced hyperthermia has been successfully resolved with dantrolene administration.[10] "Dinitrophenol uncouples oxidative phosphorylation, causes release of calcium from mitochondrial stores and prevents calcium re-uptake. This leads to free intracellular calcium and causes muscle contraction and hyperthermia. Dantrolene inhibits calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum which reduces intracellular calcium. The resulting muscle relaxation allows heat dissipation. There is little risk to dantrolene administration. Since dantrolene may be effective in reducing hyperthermia caused by agents that inhibit oxidative phosphorylation, early administration may improve outcome."[11]

While DNP itself is considered by many to be too risky for human use, its mechanism of action remains under investigation as a potential approach for treating obesity.[12] Currently, research is being conducted on uncoupling proteins naturally found in humans



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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2008, 08:18:14 AM »
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2008, 08:20:25 AM »
Some body fat loss, a LOT of sweating, not being able to sleep, feeling like shit and being weak as a lamb.
Same report from everyone who's tried it. At least the ones that have survived.

Ronnie in that cop meeting on the MITs video, where he's sweating nonstop in a room where no one else is, even the obese cops.

I always scratched my head and wondered if he dabbled in it.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2008, 08:30:10 AM »
DNP is probably healthier for you than Usnic Acid (another uncoupler) which is sold by Palumbo and some other supplement companies. That is if you don't OD.

Cataracts is probably the main concern.

I wouldn't take it but from my readings it's like insulin, you gotta get the dosage right.


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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2008, 08:32:12 AM »
No supplement company is going to sell it, which means that the product shown above is only made to sound like it contains 2,4-dinitrophenol, or only contains it in trace amounts.

I don't know what the product in the pic is but UG labs have fancy labels too. Could be totally legit.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2008, 09:54:31 AM »

we're dying every day we are alive brother. I bet those 3 days are liberating as fuck! HOLLA!
not went you bedridden and shitting out your organs.
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2008, 10:00:18 AM »
not went you bedridden and shitting out your organs.

actually bedridden, sweating fat, and cooking your internal organs

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2008, 10:33:16 AM »
this Year in Münster/Germany a young Bodybuilder was found dead in his house. The pathology doctors detected that a overdose of DNP caused the death.

Ich finde echt schockierend wieviele z.B. auf Andro diesen Dreck schon eingeschmissen haben. Ich meine, wie verzweifelt kann man sein?? ::)

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2008, 10:34:40 AM »
At least all your workout bros will be in awe of your shredded condition at the funeral.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2008, 10:36:25 AM »
Ich finde echt schockierend wieviele z.B. auf Andro diesen Dreck schon eingeschmissen haben. Ich meine, wie verzweifelt kann man sein?? ::)

Das behaupten sie. Das heisst lange nicht, dass sie es wirklich getan haben.
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2008, 11:04:10 AM »
alot of people talking on this thread who have never used the stuff  ::)

why not give your experiences rather than blind generalisations
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2008, 11:16:07 AM »
At least all your workout bros will be in awe of your shredded condition at the funeral.

Correct. Its all about priorities.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2008, 11:22:55 AM »
another side is neon yellow sperm  :-X

a very difficult thing to explain to your girl after you come in her mouth. still i told her she should be happy as not only is she getting plenty of protein, but it'll also help her lose a few pounds. she was not amused. :-\
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2008, 11:23:45 AM »
whats the halflife on dnp?

i read about it a while ago...it builds up in your system, so even if you take a small dose, you could OD.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2008, 12:26:15 PM »
another side is neon yellow sperm  :-X

a very difficult thing to explain to your girl after you come in her mouth. still i told her she should be happy as not only is she getting plenty of protein, but it'll also help her lose a few pounds. she was not amused. :-\

OMG was that fucking funny...........

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2008, 10:33:28 PM »
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2008, 09:40:20 AM »
Ronnie in that cop meeting on the MITs video, where he's sweating nonstop in a room where no one else is, even the obese cops.

I always scratched my head and wondered if he dabbled in it.
all of that muscle = high basal metabolic rate which sometimes = a lot more sweating.
Not sure if even Ronnie is brave enough to mes with DNP

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2008, 10:11:27 AM »
I don't know what the product in the pic is but UG labs have fancy labels too. Could be totally legit.


Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)


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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2008, 10:49:34 AM »

Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)



dumb  ;D
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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2008, 10:57:30 AM »

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2008, 09:09:55 PM »
whats the halflife on dnp?

i read about it a while ago...it builds up in your system, so even if you take a small dose, you could OD.

That is correct.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2008, 09:16:39 PM »

Only a dum ass like you would believe in determining whether a product is legit because it has a shiny cool label on it........ ::)




What? The point was that the label doesn't say if it's good or not.

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Re: Do all pros use DNP?
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2008, 12:44:44 AM »
alot of people talking on this thread who have never used the stuff  ::)

why not give your experiences rather than blind generalisations
you never taken enough to OD, according to the people on this thread, sounds like your experience is limited and lacking.
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