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Also I will give you that if Sarah Palin was Shawn Palin (male) she would have never been chosen either.
Have Americans become so enamored with sex and race that we put more emphasis on it then actual experience and a record?
My answer is: Proof is in the pudding...YES!
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Also I will give you that if Sarah Palin was Shawn Palin (male) she would have never been chosen either.
Have Americans become so enamored with sex and race that we put more emphasis on it then actual experience and a record?
My answer is: Proof is in the pudding...YES!
thank the political correctness movement
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Yep
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thank the political correctness movement
As I do the feminist movement for a over 50% divorce rate in America.
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Also I will give you that if Sarah Palin was Shawn Palin (male) she would have never been chosen either.
Have Americans become so enamored with sex and race that we put more emphasis on it then actual experience and a record?
My answer is: Proof is in the pudding...YES!
Maybe you should ask a black woman how she feels about it.
And anyone that voted for Bush has no business barking about a candidate's credentials.
But for the name of Bush, GW would've been selling shoes in Decatur Illinois.
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yes, both race and gender are gimmicky sales tactics used by the parties this time.
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Hopefully it will be the last year for this crap too.
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I watched Obama revieled last night on CNN. Interesting stuff.
I find it unusual that Barack was raised (and seeming raised well) and cared for by the white half of his family but he searched so hard for his black roots, then identified himself so strongly as black and sought out black culture, church, wife, ect. I wonder why...its almost like he wants to get away from his white roots....but they were the side of the family that gave him everything. Just unusual IMO.
I am not bi-racial but if I were, I would hope to be proud of both sides of my family (I suppose unless I was wronged in some way).
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I don't necessarily agree with the title. Yes, Barack was given a boost because of his race in that big institutions still practice affirmative action, but Barack is very intelligent with poise, ambition and charisma. A person like that will find their way to important positions.
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A person like that will find their way to important positions.
I agree, he should have stayed on with the community organizer position.
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Obama is a pretty smart dude. If Obama wasn't black, he would probably be a republican.
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You can criticize Obama for many things, but he's a smart guy.
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I watched Obama revieled last night on CNN. Interesting stuff.
I find it unusual that Barack was raised (and seeming raised well) and cared for by the white half of his family but he searched so hard for his black roots, then identified himself so strongly as black and sought out black culture, church, wife, ect. I wonder why...its almost like he wants to get away from his white roots....but they were the side of the family that gave him everything. Just unusual IMO.
I am not bi-racial but if I were, I would hope to be proud of both sides of my family (I suppose unless I was wronged in some way).
If he didn't try so hard to associate with his black roots he would have a much harder time running.
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It still remains to be seen whether Americans will vote for a black man, come election day. If he were white it would be a landslide for him.
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If Obama was white he wouldn't have the youth vote or the black vote. So essentially he would have nothing and not be running. The end.
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... yes and there have been so many black presidents before him ::)
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... yes and there have been so many black presidents before him ::)
Slick Willie thought he was black....
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Maybe you should ask a black woman how she feels about it.
And anyone that voted for Bush has no business barking about a candidate's credentials.
But for the name of Bush, GW would've been selling shoes in Decatur Illinois.
Nah, I don't give a fuck how a black woman feels about it. Black females have more opportunity in this country than anyone else.
My question was rhetorical and I gave my answer.
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I watched Obama revieled last night on CNN. Interesting stuff.
I find it unusual that Barack was raised (and seeming raised well) and cared for by the white half of his family but he searched so hard for his black roots, then identified himself so strongly as black and sought out black culture, church, wife, ect. I wonder why...its almost like he wants to get away from his white roots....but they were the side of the family that gave him everything. Just unusual IMO.
I am not bi-racial but if I were, I would hope to be proud of both sides of my family (I suppose unless I was wronged in some way).
WAY TOO MANY bi-racial people will spew some bullshit like this: "it was only the Black community that accepted me, White people always looked at me weird and never really accepted me."
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Slick Willie thought he was black....
Many Black people said he was the first Black president. I really couldn't care less, I just look at his record and decide for myself.
Playing the Saxophone on Letterman or Leno made him Black I guess...sad.
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... yes and there have been so many black presidents before him ::)
Yes and there were so many Jews, Mormon's, Asian's, Hispanic's, Italian's, too.
Give it up, being Black today is a trump card in many business's and especially politics.
BTW this DOESN'T mean that most Blacks aren't deservedly elected, they are. Barack is an exception, he hasn't done dick!
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When will we get a president with great arab genetics probably never because of the war on terror, sadly most americans are racist against arabs.
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Nah, I don't give a fuck how a black woman feels about it. Black females have more opportunity in this country than anyone else.
My question was rhetorical and I gave my answer.
Oh yes...after all, what chance has a white male ever had in this country...everywhere you look, black women populate all the power slots. Do you really believe what you write?
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I watched Obama revieled last night on CNN. Interesting stuff.
I find it unusual that Barack was raised (and seeming raised well) and cared for by the white half of his family but he searched so hard for his black roots, then identified himself so strongly as black and sought out black culture, church, wife, ect. I wonder why...its almost like he wants to get away from his white roots....but they were the side of the family that gave him everything. Just unusual IMO.
I am not bi-racial but if I were, I would hope to be proud of both sides of my family (I suppose unless I was wronged in some way).
This happens from time to time with biracial kids, they are searching for their identity. And it goes as far a if that child or person "looks" more black or white. Those who look more black, sometimes don't want to acknowledge that they are by definition (the one drop rule) black. For instance many blacks who were mulattoes in the early to mid 20th century, choose to "pass" as white. Hell Most of the of the blacks who went to college back in that time period were mulattoes (WEB Dubois).
And then you have culture itself, some biracial kids who want to seems "real" search out certain aspects of black culture, to show that they are "real".
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OK- Lets be honest here for once. If John McCain was born Jamal McCain to Biracial and multireligious parents, but was raised by his black muslim mothers side of the family, was cared for by his black muslim side of the family and lived largely within the standard of living provided by the black muslim side of his family ( also attending College and graduate school comprised largely of a black muslim population) and then all of a sudden decided one day to embrace his white and christian roots (which had largely been ignored his entire life) by suddenly changing his name to John and attending church- Would anyone take him seriously?
I mean lets see- He would gain the white vote, the christian vote, he's running as a republican, he gets the elder vote-- Seems pretty logical to me right?
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Oh yes...after all, what chance has a white male ever had in this country...everywhere you look, black women populate all the power slots. Do you really believe what you write?
White males are discriminated against by employers looking not be sued for not hiring blacks, colleges, police departments etc.. You can be Black and Ms. America and you can be Black Ms. America. In fact, if you hire a Black woman you get to say you have 2 minorities working for you when the Race statistics get brought out to show a corporation isn't racist or sexist.
You can be a black a woman and be in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, you can also be in Ebony, Jet, or 20 other BLACK only magazines. You can get scholarships for education and then you can get the NAACP scholarship, not given to non-Blacks.
Go play the "poor Black people" card in Africa, that shit stopped working to the educated in America a long time ago. Study up and read what I said..I SAID "BLACK FEMALES HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY " ...whether or not they capitalize on it, is up to them.
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That was really bullshit what happened to Amy Goodman. She didn't even cross the line. She went up there and asked to talk to someone in charge about members of the press being held. The video shows no hostility on her part.
pathetic...
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That was really bullshit what happened to Amy Goodman. She didn't even cross the line. She went up there and asked to talk to someone in charge about members of the press being held. The video shows no hostility on her part.
pathetic...
Video no longer available? Probably had whatever she got coming her way.
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White males are discriminated against by employers looking not be sued for not hiring blacks, colleges, police departments etc.. You can Black and Ms. America and you can be Black Ms. America. In fact, if you hire a Black woman you get to say you have 2 minorities working for you when the Race statistics get brought out to show a corporation isn't racist or sexist.
You can be a black a woman and be in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, you can also be in Ebony, Jet, or 20 other BLACK only magazines. You can get scholarships for education and then you can get the NAACP scholarship, not given to non-Blacks.
Go play the "poor Black people" card in Africa, that shit stopped working to the educated in America a long time ago. Study up and read what I said..I SAID "BLACK FEMALES HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY " ...whether or not they capitalize on in is up to them.
I bet you wouldn't swap the color of your skin for all these "advantages" - and there in lies the true measure in being black.
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Video no longer available? Probably had whatever she got coming her way.
youtube is down.
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I bet you wouldn't swap the color of your skin for all these "advantages" - and there in lies the true measure in being black.
I BET NOT ONE SINGLE BLACK WOMAN WOULD SWAP SKIN COLOR FOR ALL THE "DISADVANTAGES - AND THEREIN LIES THE TRUE MEASURE IN BEING IGNORANT.
WISE UP SIR!
YOU MADE NO POINT.
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I BET NOT ONE SINGLE BLACK WOMAN WOULD SWAP SKIN COLOR FOR ALL THE "DISADVANTAGES - AND THEREIN LIES THE TRUE MEASURE IN BEING IGNORANT.
WISE UP SIR!
YOU MADE NO POINT.
You are truly deluded if you think black people face no discrimination - I just have to read getbig to know there is still a lot of racism out there. And I do think you are wrong - some of them probably would swap their skin color - Michael Jackson (although not a woman) comes to mind.
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Discrimination and stereotypes exist for a reason.
People have an unfavorible opinion of blacks because the gross majority of them that the average person comes across act like f*in jungle-ape retards. People are scared of blacks, due to the fact that most of them are ignorant to the extreme, loud, disrespectful, unpredictible, violent and have the linguistic skills of a 2nd grader.
Now before anyone jumps my $hit here, i'll flat out conceide that there are many, many of them that totally act and function 180 degrees opposite this statement. Colin Powell, Bill Cosby and yes, Mr. Obama are all intelligent, valuable people in society. For every one of them the public sees however, there are 100 snoop dogs, P Diddys, Carmelo Anthonys and Terrel Owens.
Society is so big nowdays that everything gets broken down to averages.
I don't give a damn what color someone is. Good people are good people. But the fact that the government STILL has to cheat, in 2008, to even the playing field should speak volumes. Quality people will succeed no matter what their color.
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Quality people will succeed no matter what their color.
Everthing else you said was crap but the above is truth! Kudos there Chief!
P.S. Some advice Chief, let it go, it's futile! But don't lose heart Chief, you can fix that problem!
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You are truly deluded if you think black people face no discrimination - I just have to read getbig to know there is still a lot of racism out there. And I do think you are wrong - some of them probably would swap their skin color - Michael Jackson (although not a woman) comes to mind.
LMAO, are you an idiot? Where did I EVER say Black people face no discrimination? Point it out...! You can't climb back into your hole.
Vanilla Ice & Eminem would trade skin color along with about million's of other suburban White kids.
Give up the race card man!
I know many Black's want to blame race for their failures, because not doing so, would mean they have to take responsibility for their failures.
Racism works in all ways not just one, some of the most racist people I have ever met where Black.
Racism exists, it is no excuse for failing.
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LAMO, are you an idiot? Where did I EVER say Black people face no discrimination? Point it out...! You can't climb back into your hole.
Vanilla Ice & Eminem would trade skin color along with about million's of other suburban White kids.
Give up the race card man!
I know many Black's want to blame race for their failures, because not doing so, would mean they have to take responsibility for their failures.
Racism works in all ways not just one, some of the most racist people I have ever met where Black.
Racism exists, it is no excuse for failing.
So let me get this straight - you are saying blacks are disadvantaged? Make up your mind ::)
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The almighty race card - an excuse to carry on as before if I ever heard one.
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So let me get this straight - you are saying blacks are disadvantaged? Make up your mind ::)
I am saying enough excuses. I have been passed up for promotions in the past, I was unable to buy two homes even though I had 20% to put down, I am saying that I wasn't hired for certain jobs, and I still have succeeded and done very well for myself (imo). I could of used the excuse I was <fill-in-the-blank>, instead I just kept moving on and trying harder.
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I am saying enough excuses. I have been passed up for promotions in the past, I was unable to buy two homes even though I had 20% to put down, I am saying that I wasn't hired for certain jobs, and I still have succeeded and done very well for myself (imo). I could of used the excuse I was <fill-in-the-blank>, instead I just kept moving on and trying harder.
Now I agree that a lot of blacks don't take utilize the advantages available to them, but why blame minorities for your incompetence stated above?
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I am part of the only race where you are a card carrying member lol. Just over Half Quinault and Chinook Indian (or native american as white people call us). Our rez is a perfect example of wasted opportunity. Many people expect things to get handed to them and often do get them. Free college, but 90% of the kids that take advantage of it live off reservation. Special privleges and handicapping a people only make it more difficult for them to succeed because the bar is lowered.
Kings dream was that there would be no color.... What would think today with BET. etc. and the vicimization platform that leaders like sharpton and jackson have clung to.
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I am part of the only race where you are a card carrying member lol. Just over Half Quinault and Chinook Indian (or native american as white people call us). Our rez is a perfect example of wasted opportunity. Many people expect things to get handed to them and often do get them. Free college, but 90% of the kids that take advantage of it live off reservation. Special privleges and handicapping a people only make it more difficult for them to succeed because the bar is lowered.
Kings dream was that there would be no color.... What would think today with BET. etc. and the vicimization platform that leaders like sharpton and jackson have clung to.
Well said and nice read. Thanks!
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Also I will give you that if Sarah Palin was Shawn Palin (male) she would have never been chosen either.
Have Americans become so enamored with sex and race that we put more emphasis on it then actual experience and a record?
My answer is: Proof is in the pudding...YES!
Yours is a silly observation. Going backward would Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or Nixon stood a chance of being President of any of them had been black? No. They all benefitted from white cultural capital and white privilege. Americans have indeed long been enamored with race, but they only see "race" (and gender for that matter) when they want to see it.
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How do you figure? A intelligent man, amazing speaker, charismatic, top of his class at Harvard, if he was WHITE hed be up 70/30 right now
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Yours is a silly observation. Going backward would Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or Nixon stood a chance of being President of any of them had been black? No. They all benefitted from white cultural capital and white privilege. Americans have indeed long been enamored with race, but they only see "race" (and gender for that matter) when they want to see it.
Welcome to 2008 and not 1976. You proved my point exactly!
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Maybe you should ask a black woman how she feels about it.
And anyone that voted for Bush has no business barking about a candidate's credentials.
But for the name of Bush, GW would've been selling shoes in Decatur Illinois.
I like that Obama has an understanding of how the country runs and has Ideas he would implement.
I don't agree with all of them, but that is the same with most people.
Sarah Palin comes off as a dimwit. The buzzwords for her debate on Thursday are "low expectations".
I would have gladly voted for Hilary.
I don't think Mccain is going live thru a first term. During the debates as he rambled some of his responses I kept replying in my head "okay grandpa" While patting his hand.
Sandra
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Nah, I don't give a fuck how a black woman feels about it. Black females have more opportunity in this country than anyone else.
My question was rhetorical and I gave my answer.
You obviously don't know what it is to be a black woman in this country.
More opportunities than anyone else.....
Sandra
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You obviously don't know what it is to be a black woman in this country.
More opportunities than anyone else.....
Sandra
Just give me more excuses and I will debate them.
Tamiqua
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Just give me more excuses and I will debate them.
Tamiqua
Tell me how I have more opportunities than Jane Doe, John Doe, black or white.
You are not the only person who wasn't given a mortgage, not hired for a job, etc.
How many times do you walk around a store and have security follow you?
Where is my opportunity to browse without someone thinking that I may steal something?
Sandra
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Tell me how I have more opportunities than Jane Doe, John Doe, black or white.
You are not the only person who wasn't given a mortgage, not hired for a job, etc.
How many times do you walk around a store and have security follow you?
Where is my opportunity to browse without someone thinking that I may steal something?
Sandra
First of all, I don't advocate Black woman being singled out because they are Black. If you feel like someone is following you around the store I suggest you ask them if they have a problem and ask for the store manager and discuss your situation. There may be other reasons for them following you, have you ever asked?
I also posted exactly how it is Black woman (to include minority woman) have more opportunities than anyone else, read above.
I own several homes today and feel like the people who didn't allow me to buy a home simply lost my money and I ended up better for it. I didn't let those people stop me.
I suggest you do the same.
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White males are discriminated against by employers looking not be sued for not hiring blacks, colleges, police departments etc.. You can be Black and Ms. America and you can be Black Ms. America. In fact, if you hire a Black woman you get to say you have 2 minorities working for you when the Race statistics get brought out to show a corporation isn't racist or sexist.
You can be a black a woman and be in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, you can also be in Ebony, Jet, or 20 other BLACK only magazines. You can get scholarships for education and then you can get the NAACP scholarship, not given to non-Blacks.
Go play the "poor Black people" card in Africa, that shit stopped working to the educated in America a long time ago. Study up and read what I said..I SAID "BLACK FEMALES HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY " ...whether or not they capitalize on it, is up to them.
Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the black model and beauty contest winner crowd. Of course. It's all so simple now. I mean they have their Bill Cosby (who didn't win a beauty contest) and Tyra Banks (I think she did) so it's all square.
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First of all, I don't advocate Black woman being singled out because they are Black. If you feel like someone is following you around the store I suggest you ask them if they have a problem and ask for the store manager and discuss your situation. There may be other reasons for them following you, have you ever asked?
I also posted exactly how it is Black woman (to include minority woman) have more opportunities than anyone else, read above.
I own several homes today and feel like the people who didn't allow me to buy a home simply lost my money and I ended up better for it. I didn't let those people stop me.
I suggest you do the same.
Actually, you did single out black women when you first posted on how many "MORE" opportunities we have than anyone else.
I don't need to ask why I am being followed around. I already know the answer. I know it when I see it.
I have no idea where you think I have let anyone stand in the way of me becoming the woman I am today.
Sandra
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Actually, you did single out black women when you first posted on how many "MORE" opportunities we have than anyone else.
I don't need to ask why I am being followed around. I already know the answer. I know it when I see it.
I have no idea where you think I have let anyone stand in the way of me becoming the woman I am today.
Sandra
You misunderstand the spirit of the conversation at hand.
Let me try this way:
Being black in America is a fortune and with TV networks, magazines, scholarships, quota's, political pressure and much more, Black woman have more opportunity than anyone else in America. In addition to the above examples Black woman AREN'T excluded from the more traditional avenues.
I am sick and tired of Blacks using their skin (I don't know you well enough to include you) as a reason for not getting what they want.
Lastly, perhaps you have a complex to believe you are being followed around. This went away in the 80's and has been as "played out" as much as the stories about white woman clutching their purse's when a black man gets near. Attorney's have done a good job letting business's know how much be the demise of their business.
People are going to stand in your way in life, no matter what your skin tone is. It's how you deal with them that will determine your success.