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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dearth on September 07, 2008, 05:56:07 PM
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why does SI not list football players cycles in their profiles and game reports? Or ways to beat the tests etc.
We have just chosen to portray the sport in a more positive light.
Officially we do accept that that they a part of the sport, but we won't give info related or associated with the exact usage etc.
Oh yeah, and by the way, they are illegal as well :-)
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Chris
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I agree with their method, just trying to protect the sport. bb will never be mainstream but certanly going the md, pro drugs, pro wierd ass shady side of bb, it would have even less of a chance. they try to cover up the dark side like anyone promoting anything would, now they should work on degaying it a little atleast, a photoshoot should never include a grunting man in daisy dukes and suspenders looking like a very gay lumber jack and flex loves this type of photography. i think the best ones are the real training photos anyway, that way you never get tricep contrations during curls and it looks real and not gay.
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short tan midgets dont appeal to most people.
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Officially we do accept that that they a part of the sport--------------
Chris
Creative Director
FLEX Magazine
Wow. I'm quite surprised he admitted that.
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Wow. I'm quite surprised he admitted that.
i'm surprised he even knows what steroids are, since its all genetics, flex training routines and weider's mega mass 2000 baby!
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why does SI not list football players cycles in their profiles and game reports? Or ways to beat the tests etc.
We have just chosen to portray the sport in a more positive light.
Officially we do accept that that they a part of the sport, but we won't give info related or associated with the exact usage etc.
Oh yeah, and by the way, they are illegal as well :-)
C
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Chris
Creative Director
FLEX Magazine
Have you ever read any Flex mags from the early to mid 90's, hell they were full of steroid articles, complete with the needle pics. Interviewing Mike Christian on his pathway of taking steriods, and another bber on his pathway from them. What to take, when to take it, they didn't hide that shit.
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I agree with their method, just trying to protect the sport. bb will never be mainstream but certanly going the md, pro drugs, pro wierd ass shady side of bb, it would have even less of a chance. they try to cover up the dark side like anyone promoting anything would, now they should work on degaying it a little atleast, a photoshoot should never include a grunting man in daisy dukes and suspenders looking like a very gay lumber jack and flex loves this type of photography. i think the best ones are the real training photos anyway, that way you never get tricep contrations during curls and it looks real and not gay.
thats why MD will be around way longer end of story
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Have you ever read any Flex mags from the early to mid 90's, hell they were full of steroid articles, complete with the needle pics. Interviewing Mike Christian on his pathway of taking steriods, and another bber on his pathway from them. What to take, when to take it, they didn't hide that shit.
I wouldn't go that far.
When certain bodybuilders were having health problems or even dying, FLEX critics, especially those at rival MD, were blaming guys like Dorian Yates. They claimed that they were getting sick and croaking, trying to mimic Yates' allegedly monstrous drug regime.
thats why MD will be around way longer end of story
When their sales start slumping, MD will undergo another identity change. That ties in to what I said earlier. MD was one of FLEX's critics. When the folks there felt FLEX glorified drugs, they went "all-natural" in 1997. Steve Blechman promised that no steroid-using bodybuilder would ever be in his magazine again.
When FLEX kept beating them (and once Blechman left the then-family-owned Twinlab company), then MD couldn't stop talking about steroids.
If their sales slump again, Muscular Development may become "All-Natural Muscular Development" again, or they will start slapping silicone-stuffed hoochies on the covers, leaving the bodybuilders off.
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WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!! Without their "little helper" this "sport's" base is cut over 50%. Don't believe me? See what happened the year everyone went natural in the Olympia (Don't remember the year but Lee Haney looked like shit compared to what we are used to seeing.) The IFBB needs drugs to survive, anyone that doesn't believe that is foolish.
They just enjoy pulling the wool over people's eyes portraying the IFBB as some corperation that gives a crap about health and fitness when the very "athletes" that make the IFBB their money (guys and dolls) are walking pharmacies. What's just as bad is the sick supplement companies that get away with selling their shit and use pros to sell their garbage and the uninformed public believes these assholes get they way they do because of their garbage. This whole industry is a fucking sick, sick joke and only a handful of people make real money from it while the dumbasses struggle to get by. Only in the IFBB. ::)
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WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!! Without their "little helper" this "sport's" base is cut over 50%. Don't believe me? See what happened the year everyone went natural in the Olympia (Don't remember the year but Lee Haney looked like shit compared to what we are used to seeing.) The IFBB needs drugs to survive, anyone that doesn't believe that is foolish.
They just enjoy pulling the wool over people's eyes portraying the IFBB as some corperation that gives a crap about health and fitness when the very "athletes" that make the IFBB their money (guys and dolls) are walking pharmacies. What's just as bad is the sick supplement companies that get away with selling their shit and use pros to sell their garbage and the uninformed public believes these assholes get they way they do because of their garbage. This whole industry is a fucking sick, sick joke and only a handful of people make real money from it while the dumbasses struggle to get by. Only in the IFBB. ::)
Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
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I agree with their method, just trying to protect the sport. bb will never be mainstream but certanly going the md, pro drugs, pro wierd ass shady side of bb, it would have even less of a chance. they try to cover up the dark side like anyone promoting anything would, now they should work on degaying it a little atleast, a photoshoot should never include a grunting man in daisy dukes and suspenders looking like a very gay lumber jack and flex loves this type of photography. i think the best ones are the real training photos anyway, that way you never get tricep contrations during curls and it looks real and not gay.
Flex hasn't had the daisy duke suspender look for a while unless it is in "classic" photos which are a representation of that time period. In fact, we are the ones that feature the "real" photoshoots more than any other mag does.
As has been my personal view all along, if you prefer the way other mags portray the sport, then you will buy those mags, if you like things a little more positive, you will buy Flex or one of the other positive mags, and if you don't like any mags you will be here or at other boards/sites. As long as people continue to support the sport in one way or the other, it will hopefully continue to grow. If we continue to focus on everything negative though, I don't think it will help to do anything but force it more underground and less acceptable to gaining new fans. In a perfect world, a BB fan will do several of the above.
I won't say anything negative about other mags or sites as it is isn't my place and I don't think it helps the industry as a whole to have this supposed feud between the mags be popularized. Let's focus on the competitors themselves (men and women) and their respective personalities/struggles etc and maybe we can generate some interest in the sport among more people.
Now I'm sure I'll get crapped on and called whatever names anyone can think of, but I would hope that at least some of the people that are on this site would partially agree with me, since I hope some people on GB are actually fans.
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Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
Excactly, and none of those organizations glorify either, its there and you know it but it would be stupid to promote and say all that is negative about the organization or sport you are affiliated with and are trying to expand( even though it wont happen either way)
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Excactly, and none of those organizations glorify either, its there and you know it but it would be stupid to promote and say all that is negative about the organization or sport you are affiliated with and are trying to expand( even though it wont happen either way)
at least we can try LOL
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Flex hasn't had the daisy duke suspender look for a while unless it is in "classic" photos which are a representation of that time period. In fact, we are the ones that feature the "real" photoshoots more than any other mag does.
As has been my personal view all along, if you prefer the way other mags portray the sport, then you will buy those mags, if you like things a little more positive, you will buy Flex or one of the other positive mags, and if you don't like any mags you will be here or at other boards/sites. As long as people continue to support the sport in one way or the other, it will hopefully continue to grow. If we continue to focus on everything negative though, I don't think it will help to do anything but force it more underground and less acceptable to gaining new fans. In a perfect world, a BB fan will do several of the above.
I won't say anything negative about other mags or sites as it is isn't my place and I don't think it helps the industry as a whole to have this supposed feud between the mags be popularized. Let's focus on the competitors themselves (men and women) and their respective personalities/struggles etc and maybe we can generate some interest in the sport among more people.
Now I'm sure I'll get crapped on and called whatever names anyone can think of, but I would hope that at least some of the people that are on this site would partially agree with me, since I hope some people on GB are actually fans.
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its good that flex tries to stay possitive, if a bit too infantile. and yes the real shoots i was refering are those in flex, but there are still plenty of old and recycled lumberjack photos. i havent bought a mag in like a year but i bet there is still one really gay photo per magazine, which normal people would be embarresed to be seem looking at those types of photos in the grocery store lines.
i'm not saying the 400 ad stack is better at all.
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at least we can try LOL
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haha right on
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Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
Please Chick. ::) those other sports would still be around without the drugs. The IFBB would be a shadow of itself within five years if that athletes weren't using drugs. I'm not saying glorify drugs but the IFBB is one big lie and people tell themselves whatever makes them feel better. At least in real sports you need a skill and not just genetics, discipline, drugs and a guru. ::)
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Please Chick. ::) those other sports would still be around without the drugs. The IFBB would be a shadow of itself within five years if that athletes weren't using drugs.
The NFL linemen were a shadow of their former selves some years back, and dropping like flies from injuries.....amazingly.. .the testing became buried and is only brought up here and there with a lame example.
BB would be around too....a little smaller, and a little less freakier...just as other athletes are a little slower, a little more supceptable to injury, etc...
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Please Chick. ::) those other sports would still be around without the drugs. The IFBB would be a shadow of itself within five years if that athletes weren't using drugs.
Actually, hasn't it been pretty much accepted that the homerun race after the baseball strike is a big part of why it was able to recover the fans it had lost during that strike? and drugs were a big part of the players abilities to hit those home runs.
I've even heard arguments that baseball would not have recovered or we would at least see a significantly smaller league had it not been for that.
Of course it is just speculation, but I still don't see the major sports mags saying that the guys are performing that way due to drug use and treating that like a positive thing. (So and so hit 3 homeruns the other night, hey, it must be because of this particular cycle he's been doing, hey new teen getting into baseball, why don't you run out and try it yourself. Somehow that doesn't seem like something you would see on Sportsdesk) The players that are involved are for the most part treated as a disgrace when banned substance use is brought to the public attention, even though people know full well that a lot of their favorite players are also doing it (out of sight out of mind). An athlete is certainly not looked upon as a positive role model after their drug use has been made public.
Why would anyone who wants a sport to grow/prosper want to promote something that puts the sport and the specific competitors in a negative light? We have to remember that young people now may want to see BB as something they potentially want to pursue, along with other sports etc, and to blatantly hit them with "but don't even bother unless you want to do ... " doesn't seem like the way to go about it.
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The NFL linemen were a shadow of their former selves some years back, and dropping like flies from injuries.....amazingly.. .the testing became buried and is only brought up here and there with a lame example.
BB would be around too....a little smaller, and a little less freakier...just as other athletes are a little slower, a little more supceptable to injury, etc...
I have nothing against bodybuilding. I have something against the IFBB.
Is that your best example? Lineman?
A "little" smaller and "freakier"? You can say that about the current crop of pros that would go natural but what about lifetime natural pros? Have a look at the natural pros if you believe they are natural. ::) A true natural pro would be ALOT smaller and ALOT less freaky. The IFBB makes its money from the freak show aspect without it is no better than any other natural pro federation.
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Actually, hasn't it been pretty much accepted that the homerun race after the baseball strike is a big part of why it was able to recover the fans it had lost during that strike? and drugs were a big part of the players abilities to hit those home runs.
I've even heard arguments that baseball would not have recovered or we would at least see a significantly smaller league had it not been for that.
Of course it is just speculation, but I still don't see the major sports mags saying that the guys are performing that way due to drug use and treating that like a positive thing. (So and so hit 3 homeruns the other night, hey, it must be because of this particular cycle he's been doing, hey new teen getting into baseball, why don't you run out and try it yourself. Somehow that doesn't seem like something you would see on Sportsdesk) The players that are involved are for the most part treated as a disgrace when banned substance use is brought to the public attention, even though people know full well that a lot of their favorite players are also doing it (out of sight out of mind). An athlete is certainly not looked upon as a positive role model after their drug use has been made public.
Why would anyone who wants a sport to grow/prosper want to promote something that puts the sport and the specific competitors in a negative light? We have to remember that young people now may want to see BB as something they potentially want to pursue, along with other sports etc, and to blatantly hit them with "but don't even bother unless you want to do ... " doesn't seem like the way to go about it.
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You are correct, steriods saved baseball you'll get no arguement from me. Why were the fans gone? The strike. Not lack of homeruns. The excitement of breaking the record brought the fans back. Now that the fans are back and testing has resumed attendance is still great without the drugs.
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You are correct, steriods saved baseball you'll get no arguement from me. Why were the fans gone? The strike. Not lack of homeruns. The excitement of breaking the record brought the fans back. Now that the fans are back and testing has resumed attendance is still great without the drugs.
seriously? You think there are no more drugs in baseball?
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seriously? You think there are no more drugs in baseball?
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I think after all that has gone on baseball is as close to zero as they are going to get. Kind of like natural for a pro means only under 1gram of test and only GH ;D
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I have nothing against bodybuilding. I have something against the IFBB.
Is that your best example? Lineman?
A "little" smaller and "freakier"? You can say that about the current crop of pros that would go natural but what about lifetime natural pros? Have a look at the natural pros if you believe they are natural. ::) A true natural pro would be ALOT smaller and ALOT less freaky. The IFBB makes its money from the freak show aspect without it is no better than any other natural pro federation.
Whats your point? If steroids never exsisted...it would be reletive...the freaks would still be the freaks, just not AS freaky....and BB would still be a nitche sport, just as it has always been, and will always be.
And using linemen as an example is as correct as it gets, but you can insert any athlete from just about any sport....if you believe most of them are clean...i've got some good property in New Orleans to sell to you
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I think after all that has gone on baseball is as close to zero as they are going to get. Kind of like natural for a pro means only under 1gram of test and only GH ;D
My favorite sport is football, and I watch as much as I can. I couldn't care less what guys are doing stuff and what guys aren't. As long as the game is entertaining and they aren't killing themselves I am willing to turn a blind eye, they really have no bearing on the game for me (even though in the back of my head I know that some of the guys PROBABLY couldn't do the things they do without them).
I actually can't watch a baseball game as I find them very slow, but I can respect the athletes ability, whether enhanced or not.
BTW, I'm pretty sure a bunch of millionaires can figure out a way around some tests :-)
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bb needs roids, if the ifbb makes their money off the freak factor of the "athletes" compared to nat feds then this only shows that bb needs roids to make money/fans. it would still be irresposible for flex(the ifbb mag) to glorify the roid usage especialy when kids can read this shit, being decitful in this aspect is still better than having a bunch of dumbasses megadosing on juice cause flex said thats how the pros do it. and after a while you would have to be an idiot to believe that a jay physique is naturaly achiavable so it would not be so much as the mag being misleading as the reader being a naive idiot when you have sites like getbig to learn about the dark side of bb. a little white lie(lies) is better for the "sport" cause dont nobody(figurelatively speaking ofcourse), casual fan or hardcore(or the possible outside mainstreamer), want to see a bunch of gym physiques posing down.
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bb needs roids, if the ifbb makes their money off the freak factor of the "athletes" compared to nat feds then this only shows that bb needs roids to make money/fans. it would still be irresposible for flex(the ifbb mag) to glorify the roid usage especialy when kids can read this shit, being decitful in this aspect is still better than having a bunch of dumbasses megadosing on juice cause flex said thats how the pros do it. and after a while you would have to be an idiot to believe that a jay physique is naturaly achiavable so it would not be so much as the mag being misleading as the reader being a naive idiot when you have sites like getbig to learn about the dark side of bb. a little white lie(lies) is better for the "sport" cause dont nobody(figurelatively speaking ofcourse), casual fan or hardcore(or the possible outside mainstreamer), want to see a bunch of gym physiques posing down.
Exactly...just as no one wants to see some guys who are "kind of" fast, or "sorta" good, or hit a few home runs...I don't see any magazine from any other sports talking about what their athletes may or may not be doing....why would they?
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Exactly...just as no one wants to see some guys who are "kind of" fast, or "sorta" good, or hit a few home runs...I don't see any magazine from any other sports talking about what their athletes may or may not be doing....why would they?
yep
I can't believe this all started from a little comment I made on our site to someone who asked why we don't.
BB is definitely a community
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yep
I can't believe this all started from a little comment I made on our site to someone who asked why we don't.
BB is definitely a community
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I just wonder if there is a "Get Baseball.com" site out there where the guys all bitch about the players using steroids, anything to do with being Gay, and how the "old days" produced better athletes and better sport, etc..?
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I just wonder if there is a "Get Baseball.com" site out there where the guys all bitch about the players using steroids, anything to do with being Gay, and how the "old days" produced better athletes and better sport, etc..?
maybe we should start it and strike it rich
LOL
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Whats your point? If steroids never exsisted...it would be reletive...the freaks would still be the freaks, just not AS freaky....and BB would still be a nitche sport, just as it has always been, and will always be.
And using linemen as an example is as correct as it gets, but you can insert any athlete from just about any sport....if you believe most of them are clean...i've got some good property in New Orleans to sell to you
My point is for years the IFBB and supplement companies have tried to pass themselves off as ethical entities when many of them are anything but. If you have a bodybuilder that attained results from drugs and you advertise that bodybuilder in a manner that they attained their results from using a product they didn't receive their results from that's anything but o.k. Just about everyone on this board knows this but the new suckers that replaced us when we were 15-18 are out there spending their hard earned money on garbage that doesn't live up to its promise. There are good companies out there but majority are not. The IFBB may have had honest beginnings what it has been for a long time is anything but honest. The athletes are treated like shit by their own people......hell I don't have to repeat myself listen to the press conferences the last 9 years here in Vegas from the athletes themselves. The few at the top aren't going to say anything because who wants to rock the boat to help everyone when your's truly is making money? It will continue to be this way. There have been small improvements and I applaud those from yourself and Shawn Ray. The fact remains that is there was a Dateline story or something among those lines about the IFBB people would be sick to their stomachs.
Yes, there are many great things going on in pro-bodybuilding. There are many bad things also. You can say the same thing about other sports but I'm not talking about other sports I'm talking about bodybuilding. I'm obviously not the first person to point this out and won't be the last.
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My point is for years the IFBB and supplement companies have tried to pass themselves off as ethical entities when many of them are anything but. If you have a bodybuilder that attained results from drugs and you advertise that bodybuilder in a manner that they attained their results from using a product they didn't receive their results from that's anything but o.k. Just about everyone on this board knows this but the new suckers that replaced us when we were 15-18 are out there spending their hard earned money on garbage that doesn't live up to its promise. There are good companies out there but majority are not. The IFBB may have had honest beginnings what it has been for a long time is anything but honest. The athletes are treated like shit by their own people......hell I don't have to repeat myself listen to the press conferences the last 9 years here in Vegas from the athletes themselves. The few at the top aren't going to say anything because who wants to rock the boat to help everyone when your's truly is making money? It will continue to be this way. There have been small improvements and I applaud those from yourself and Shawn Ray. The fact remains that is there was a Dateline story or something among those lines about the IFBB people would be sick to their stomachs.
Yes, there are many great things going on in pro-bodybuilding. There are many bad things also. You can say the same thing about other sports but I'm not talking about other sports I'm talking about bodybuilding. I'm obviously not the first person to point this out and won't be the last.
I'm assuming you are very young by your response...?
Welcome to the world of advertising, my friend....you mean there are companies that have spokesmen on payroll that don't actually use the products? You mean Tiger Woods DOESN'T actually drive a Buick? Jessica Simpson didn't REALLY use Pro Activ to clear her skin and make her into the beauty she is today? Bruce Jenner really DIDN'T eat Wheaties all those years ago to help him win the decathlon??
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I'm 29 but I've been involved in bodybuilding since 15. After seeing what really goes on from associates I gave up my pro aspirations many years ago and I'm not talking about the drugs.
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I'm 29 but I've been involved in bodybuilding since 15. After seeing what really goes on from associates I gave up my pro aspirations many years ago and I'm not talking about the drugs.
Sounds like you have some strange "associates"...
I began BB at age 13, knew exactly what went on, and still managed to make a career as a professional all the while, not getting involved in anything strange or unusual....
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because the sell unreachable goals. It is all about $$$.
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My point is for years the IFBB and supplement companies have tried to pass themselves off as ethical entities when many of them are anything but. If you have a bodybuilder that attained results from drugs and you advertise that bodybuilder in a manner that they attained their results from using a product they didn't receive their results from that's anything but o.k. Just about everyone on this board knows this but the new suckers that replaced us when we were 15-18 are out there spending their hard earned money on garbage that doesn't live up to its promise. There are good companies out there but majority are not. The IFBB may have had honest beginnings what it has been for a long time is anything but honest. The athletes are treated like shit by their own people......hell I don't have to repeat myself listen to the press conferences the last 9 years here in Vegas from the athletes themselves. The few at the top aren't going to say anything because who wants to rock the boat to help everyone when your's truly is making money? It will continue to be this way. There have been small improvements and I applaud those from yourself and Shawn Ray. The fact remains that is there was a Dateline story or something among those lines about the IFBB people would be sick to their stomachs.
Yes, there are many great things going on in pro-bodybuilding. There are many bad things also. You can say the same thing about other sports but I'm not talking about other sports I'm talking about bodybuilding. I'm obviously not the first person to point this out and won't be the last.
So fucking true and SO fucking sad! Scribbles you and your ilk i.e. the writers, editors, whoever are full of shit when it comes to bodybuilding. It's all about money. No other sport is built upon so many lies and half truths. Half your fucking magazines are filled with bullshit ads. Whine whine.......that's how you guys have to make money? Bullshit. It's a culture that started decades ago with fucking pukes like Joe Weider. He ruined bodybuilding. Ironman was a fucking decent magazine under Peary Rader. MUCH classier compared to Joe Weiders MuscleBuilder. I'd wouldn't pick up my dog's shit with Flex, Muscle and Fitness, or any of the mags nowadays. Of course people like Chick are going to promote the sport as positively as possible.....his livelihood depends on it. That's like telling a used car salesman he's a schmuck and should quit ripping people off......I'm sure he's got mouths to feed to. But that doesn't make it right. Hell Chick won't even admit his own drug use. At his age he'd shrink down into a normal guy or worse a fat ass like the charlatan Phil Hernon over a ProMuscle, a tubby piece of shit. What use is any of the mags? 99% of the reason most of us if we did read the mags would be for useful training and diet info. But I'd rather get my info from guys like Lyle McDonald and Bryan Haycock. Hell atleast MD has a column or used to by William Llwellyn. Flex is a joke! It's a jack off mag for fags just like all the other mags. I mean shit there are more half naked men in the mags nowadays than women. Atleast cater to heteros instead of homos and you might see your sales increase.
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Sounds like you have some strange "associates"...
I began BB at age 13, knew exactly what went on, and still managed to make a career as a professional all the while, not getting involved in anything strange or unusual....
Translated.......knew what a shady ass "sport" it was at age 13 but thought what the hell.......might as well get mine while I can and make my money. We all see what happens to the pros when they come off drugs dude. It's ridiculous. I'll keep bringing up Phil Hernon cause he's such a piece of shit. He's a fat tubby bastard nowadays. A shell of his former self. All he can do is peddle is shitty ass supplements all the while he promotes a drug using message board. Atleast Draper, Pearl, and most of the old timers looked good well into their 40's and 50's.
I mean fuck atleast MD has columns by Rick Collins and is doing something to promote the decriminalization of steroids. What does Flex do? Why doesn't the IFBB start a campaign to decriminalize steroids? I mean fuck Ron Paul got killed in the Presidential race but atleast the guy made a stand.
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So fucking true and SO fucking sad! Scribbles you and your ilk i.e. the writers, editors, whoever are full of shit when it comes to bodybuilding. It's all about money. No other sport is built upon so many lies and half truths. Half your fucking magazines are filled with bullshit ads. Whine whine.......that's how you guys have to make money? Bullshit. It's a culture that started decades ago with fucking pukes like Joe Weider. He ruined bodybuilding. Ironman was a fucking decent magazine under Peary Rader. MUCH classier compared to Joe Weiders MuscleBuilder. I'd wouldn't pick up my dog's shit with Flex, Muscle and Fitness, or any of the mags nowadays. Of course people like Chick are going to promote the sport as positively as possible.....his livelihood depends on it. That's like telling a used car salesman he's a schmuck and should quit ripping people off......I'm sure he's got mouths to feed to. But that doesn't make it right. Hell Chick won't even admit his own drug use. At his age he'd shrink down into a normal guy or worse a fat ass like the charlatan Phil Hernon over a ProMuscle, a tubby piece of shit. What use is any of the mags? 99% of the reason most of us if we did read the mags would be for useful training and diet info. But I'd rather get my info from guys like Lyle McDonald and Bryan Haycock. Hell atleast MD has a column or used to by William Llwellyn. Flex is a joke! It's a jack off mag for fags just like all the other mags. I mean shit there are more half naked men in the mags nowadays than women. Atleast cater to heteros instead of homos and you might see your sales increase.
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I knew it had to start sometime
BTW "99% of the reason most of us if we did read the mags would be for useful training and diet info."
Those are the main things we have in the mags, and the main reason we even produce Flex, the contest coverage is secondary to the training and nutrition, and in fact, the majority of our contest coverage is now on the sites with the migration to same day results.
I'm certainly not going to get into it with someone who starts into it with their second word, I simply stated my position as to why we do or do not talk about certain elements of the sport. We do not own the supplement companies or decide what content the ads have, but anyone who thinks that the supplement industry doesn't keep competitive BB alive is incredibly naive.
If you agree with us and what we do or not promote about the sport and like the magazine, then you will buy it, and thank you for that, if you don't like the magazine, do what i do when I go to the newsstand and pick up the mags you DO like. Either way even if you don't help our industry, you do help the economy.
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I knew it had to start sometime
BTW "99% of the reason most of us if we did read the mags would be for useful training and diet info."
Those are the main things we have in the mags, and the main reason we even produce Flex, the contest coverage is secondary to the training and nutrition, and in fact, the majority of our contest coverage is now on the sites with the migration to same day results.
I'm certainly not going to get into it with someone who starts into it with their second word, I simply stated my position as to why we do or do not talk about certain elements of the sport. We do not own the supplement companies or decide what content the ads have, but anyone who thinks that the supplement industry doesn't keep competitive BB alive is incredibly naive.
If you agree with us and what we do or not promote about the sport and like the magazine, then you will buy it, and thank you for that, if you don't like the magazine, do what i do when I go to the newsstand and pick up the mags you DO like. Either way even if you don't help our industry, you do help the economy.
C
I get my training info from guys like Lyle McDonald and Bryan Haycock. Hell ateast IronMan used to have articles by Stuart McRobert.
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I get my training info from guys like Lyle McDonald and Bryan Haycock. Hell ateast IronMan used to have articles by Stuart McRobert.
That's cool.
As long as you get it from somewhere and you trust it.
A lot of people don't have that option, and they do turn to the mags or websites, anything that works.
C
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I knew it had to start sometime
BTW "99% of the reason most of us if we did read the mags would be for useful training and diet info."
Those are the main things we have in the mags, and the main reason we even produce Flex, the contest coverage is secondary to the training and nutrition, and in fact, the majority of our contest coverage is now on the sites with the migration to same day results.
I'm certainly not going to get into it with someone who starts into it with their second word, I simply stated my position as to why we do or do not talk about certain elements of the sport. We do not own the supplement companies or decide what content the ads have, but anyone who thinks that the supplement industry doesn't keep competitive BB alive is incredibly naive.
If you agree with us and what we do or not promote about the sport and like the magazine, then you will buy it, and thank you for that, if you don't like the magazine, do what i do when I go to the newsstand and pick up the mags you DO like. Either way even if you don't help our industry, you do help the economy.
C
That's the whole problem........the entire sport of bodybuilding is propped up by the lying, deceitful, bullshit supplement industry.
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That's cool.
As long as you get it from somewhere and you trust it.
A lot of people don't have that option, and they do turn to the mags or websites, anything that works.
C
Judging by that statement I'm assuming you don't know who Lyle McDonald or Bryan Haycock is? Of course I trust their work. Most of it is backed up by scientific and real medical research. These are two guys you should put on your payroll. In fact like Stuart McRobert, Lyle I tihnk wrote for some of the major mags at one time. Not some phony ass supplement ad with a no name bodybuilder in a white lab coat. And as a matter of fact Lyle has a website and so does Bryan. www. bodyrecomposition.com and www.thinkmuscle.com Both of them wrote lots of articles for Mesomorphosis.com as well.
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It was actually just making a generalization that it is good to get your info from somewhere that you know is trustworthy.
Sounds like you have the place, and no, I am not familiar with them, but I'm not a writer or an editor so I wouldn't be as familiar with writers and industry experts as our editorial staff would be. I can show you some good photographers and illustrators though LOL.
As for supplements, I think there are good and bad out there. I have used a lot of different kinds before, and though I will never be considered a big guy, there are definitely some that have had more effect than others over the years.
I guess I just wish that everyone would stop having such a negative outlook on the sport in general and try and focus on the positive for a change. This has to be one of the only sports where you can go to the biggest message boards associated with it and 90% of the posts are ripping on each other and have nothing to do with what the threads start as after the first 2 pages.
C
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It depends on which board you're on. Is it moderated? No? Then you'll have psychos taking it over, as has largely happened on this board.
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The only people who "need" steroids are pro-bodybuilders, which most of us won't, and probably don't ever want to, be. Plus, what's more important--drugs, or the basics of proper workout mechanics and nutrition?
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why does SI not list football players cycles in their profiles and game reports? Or ways to beat the tests etc.
We have just chosen to portray the sport in a more positive light.
Officially we do accept that that they a part of the sport, but we won't give info related or associated with the exact usage etc.
Oh yeah, and by the way, they are illegal as well :-)
C
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Chris
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FLEX Magazine
what? for real?
you're out of touch dude.....naive post.....ummm, let me think -----> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
the rules of business and getting filthy rich are beyond your rational
oh yeh, as for FLEX....wouldnt even wipe my ass with it.....those mid 90s nasser, titus, mattarazzo face-straining pics still haunt me....
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Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
LMAO. . .Chick talking like he is "in the know." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. He doesn't know shit. Ask any player in any of those sports who Chick is. Here's the difference you twit. Those other sports require at least a modicum of athletic talent. What kind of talent does bbing require? The ability to stand in front of a bunch of gay men oiled up in a thong? Now go take your drugs and make your kids proud.
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Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
I like how delusional u are putting IFBB in the same group as real sports.
theres more drugs in cycling and swimming but the Difference is that none of those activities are judged base on looks, where BB is 100 % physical appareance.... take the Bodybuilder off the drugs and whats left of the "IFBB"?
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Yep...only in the IFBB....and the NFL, and MLB, and NBA, and just about every sport you can name....welcome to 2008
and the Great Bob Chick is always there to defend the lovely IFBB...... ;D
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I'll repeat what Robert Chick said and add on:
1. ifbb "pros", nba pros, nfl pros, etc. MUST use steroids these days. no one wants to see the likes of leafy bug as an ifbb pro. yes, the kid looks better than 99 percent of us, but at the end of the day he was 150 lbs. there's no appeal in that, unless you're a chick. i'd like to look like him, but there's nothing he can sell me that i'd buy.
2. i wonder how many nfl fans go "man, michael strahan lost 45 lbs since he won the superbowl 8 months ago. he was on steroids and couldn't tackle shit now". of course he was on steroids, and if you watched michael broadcasting this weekend, you'd see he's a shadow of his former self, even from 8 months ago. does that make him any less of a football player? shit, look at howie long, troy aikman, etc. they all look like plain joe's now.
3. no one wants to go to a baseball game, and watch walks, bunts, singles, and an occassional double. everyone wants to see a home run and a shattered bat at every at-bat. no one wants to see a "solid 2.7 yards per carry" and an average score of 6-3 at an nfl game. just get used to it. money makes the world go round and these people do what it takes.
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I'll repeat what Robert Chick said and add on:
1. ifbb "pros", nba pros, nfl pros, etc. MUST use steroids these days. no one wants to see the likes of leafy bug as an ifbb pro. yes, the kid looks better than 99 percent of us, but at the end of the day he was 150 lbs. there's no appeal in that, unless you're a chick. i'd like to look like him, but there's nothing he can sell me that i'd buy.
2. i wonder how many nfl fans go "man, michael strahan lost 45 lbs since he won the superbowl 8 months ago. he was on steroids and couldn't tackle shit now". of course he was on steroids, and if you watched michael broadcasting this weekend, you'd see he's a shadow of his former self, even from 8 months ago. does that make him any less of a football player? shit, look at howie long, troy aikman, etc. they all look like plain joe's now.
3. no one wants to go to a baseball game, and watch walks, bunts, singles, and an occassional double. everyone wants to see a home run and a shattered bat at every at-bat. no one wants to see a "solid 2.7 yards per carry" and an average score of 6-3 at an nfl game. just get used to it. money makes the world go round and these people do what it takes.
Listen up schmoe. The difference is this. BBing is ALL drugs. Despite what your man Chick says. Thoe ofhter major sports require talent. Take the drugs out of those sports you'd still see amazing athletic talent. Take the drugs out of bbing and you'd see guys like this:
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The NFL linemen were a shadow of their former selves some years back, and dropping like flies from injuries.....amazingly.. .the testing became buried and is only brought up here and there with a lame example.
BB would be around too....a little smaller, and a little less freakier...just as other athletes are a little slower, a little more supceptable to injury, etc...
Chick if you think for one second that the microscopic AAS use in NFL is anywhere near the rampant abuse of AAS in the IFBB then you are beyond delusional.
Chick, you dont know the first thing about the NFL of the players. Most dont even lift weights during the season.
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and the Great Bob Chick is always there to defend the lovely IFBB...... ;D
It's much less defending the IFBB, and defendng against stupidity....this seems to be a stomping grounds for the "not too bright".
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Chick if you think for one second that the microscopic AAS use in NFL is anywhere near the rampant abuse of AAS in the IFBB then you are beyond delusional.
Chick, you dont know the first thing about the NFL of the players. Most dont even lift weights during the season.
Trust me son...I know quite a few NFL football players, and former ones...if you think the use of PED are "microscopic" you're delusional...lol
The fact that most dont lift weights during the season would lend to the use even more...
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Listen up schmoe. The difference is this. BBing is ALL drugs. Despite what your man Chick says. Thoe ofhter major sports require talent. Take the drugs out of those sports you'd still see amazing athletic talent. Take the drugs out of bbing and you'd see guys like this:
Yep...got me there...great example using Tom, who doesn't train, eat, take AAS, and is on dialysis.
Try taking a look at Gaspari, Labrada, Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Serge Nubret and many other retired pro BBers who still train regularly...
Different sports require different levels of athletisism, and talent....Football is more athletic than Golf...two different worlds...BB is different than both, and requires different skills and talent. There's always more than meets the eye when it comes to the requirements of what it takes to be the best in a given sport...or course, you probably think diving is just "jumping into the water", right?
Step onstage sometime, then you'll have a whole different outlook...and appreciation.
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i dont think tom prince and flex wheeler would be freaks without the juice.
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My favorite sport is football, and I watch as much as I can. I couldn't care less what guys are doing stuff and what guys aren't. As long as the game is entertaining and they aren't killing themselves I am willing to turn a blind eye,
I agree. As a fan, you should not be concerned about that. I feel that AAS in bodybuilding is a celebration of how far technology has progressed. computers, machines and drugs are here to serve us and make us bigger, faster stronger. Natties have their place in bodybuilding. I dont think anyone see's Jay Cutler as 'The Healthiest Man in the World". Fans want the mass monsters and you cant put that Genie back in the bottle (no pun intended). I think it should be legalized though.
Because the problem is that these drugs are ILLEGAL. With that premise, the end of the Mr Olympia should have a posedown and then the DEA should walk out onstage, put handcuffs on all of them and lead them offstage into squad cars. (that would be pretty funny). So either make it legal or get rid of it. It just seems like it's rewarding the biggest criminal..
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I'll repeat what Robert Chick said and add on:
1. ifbb "pros", nba pros, nfl pros, etc. MUST use steroids these days. no one wants to see the likes of leafy bug as an ifbb pro. yes, the kid looks better than 99 percent of us, but at the end of the day he was 150 lbs. there's no appeal in that, unless you're a chick. i'd like to look like him, but there's nothing he can sell me that i'd buy.
2. i wonder how many nfl fans go "man, michael strahan lost 45 lbs since he won the superbowl 8 months ago. he was on steroids and couldn't tackle shit now". of course he was on steroids, and if you watched michael broadcasting this weekend, you'd see he's a shadow of his former self, even from 8 months ago. does that make him any less of a football player? shit, look at howie long, troy aikman, etc. they all look like plain joe's now.
3. no one wants to go to a baseball game, and watch walks, bunts, singles, and an occassional double. everyone wants to see a home run and a shattered bat at every at-bat. no one wants to see a "solid 2.7 yards per carry" and an average score of 6-3 at an nfl game. just get used to it. money makes the world go round and these people do what it takes.
Good post.
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Trust me son...I know quite a few NFL football players, and former ones...if you think the use of PED are "microscopic" you're delusional...lol
The fact that most dont lift weights during the season would lend to the use even more...
With all due respect Chick, have you ever even put on a jock strap before? And no, speedos and posing trunks dont count.
Chick you have never been an athlete nor will you ever be one. So please stop speaking with any sort of authority on the subject matter. Not only that but you dont possess and skill set relevant to training bbers or athletes, weather it be drug protocol, strength training or nutrition.
Chick unlike BBers , NFL players are genetically BIG. If you look across Rivals.com at the top HIGH SCHOOL recruits many of the linemen are in the 280-300 mark and over 6'2" , Are they all JUICING???? lol
So are we talking PED or AAS now? Either way the use is still microscopic in comparison with the over the top abuse in the IFBB.
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Chick if you think for one second that the microscopic AAS use in NFL is anywhere near the rampant abuse of AAS in the IFBB then you are beyond delusional.
Chick, you dont know the first thing about the NFL of the players. Most dont even lift weights during the season.
Guess you never read Lyle Alzado's cycle then. ::)
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Guess you never read Lyle Alzado's cycle then. ::)
LOL tell me you got more then 1 guy who played 20 years ago :D
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With all due respect Chick, have you ever even put on a jock strap before? And no, speedos and posing trunks dont count.
Chick you have never been an athlete nor will you ever be one. So please stop speaking with any sort of authority on the subject matter. Not only that but you dont possess and skill set relevant to training bbers or athletes, weather it be drug protocol, strength training or nutrition.
Chick unlike BBers , NFL players are genetically BIG. If you look across Rivals.com at the top HIGH SCHOOL recruits many of the linemen are in the 280-300 mark and over 6'2" , Are they all JUICING???? lol
So are we talking PED or AAS now? Either way the use is still microscopic in comparison with the over the top abuse in the IFBB.
Good post Devon. Of course Chick will say he played sports in high school. LMAO.
Now, one last time for Chick. No drugs in IFBB = No IFBB. No drugs in MLB, NFL or NBA = Drug Free MLB, NFL and NBA. Get it now moron?
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With all due respect Chick, have you ever even put on a jock strap before? And no, speedos and posing trunks dont count.
Chick you have never been an athlete nor will you ever be one. So please stop speaking with any sort of authority on the subject matter. Not only that but you dont possess and skill set relevant to training bbers or athletes, weather it be drug protocol, strength training or nutrition.
Chick unlike BBers , NFL players are genetically BIG. If you look across Rivals.com at the top HIGH SCHOOL recruits many of the linemen are in the 280-300 mark and over 6'2" , Are they all JUICING???? lol
So are we talking PED or AAS now? Either way the use is still microscopic in comparison with the over the top abuse in the IFBB.
pretty sure Bob has said that he's played football.
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With all due respect Chick, have you ever even put on a jock strap before? And no, speedos and posing trunks dont count.
Chick you have never been an athlete nor will you ever be one. So please stop speaking with any sort of authority on the subject matter. Not only that but you dont possess and skill set relevant to training bbers or athletes, weather it be drug protocol, strength training or nutrition.
Chick unlike BBers , NFL players are genetically BIG. If you look across Rivals.com at the top HIGH SCHOOL recruits many of the linemen are in the 280-300 mark and over 6'2" , Are they all JUICING???? lol
So are we talking PED or AAS now? Either way the use is still microscopic in comparison with the over the top abuse in the IFBB.
LOl...wow...couldn't have picked a worse guy to try and make an example of....played football and baseball since I was able to walk, ran track, 220/ high jump/ 50... wrestled for 2 years...we won our state Football championship in H.S....was the starting tailback with a 4.5 40....undefeated. Was an American Gladiator...play Golf with a tournament index of 14, won 2 championships in this past year, Club Championships coming up THIS week (I'll dedicate the trophy to YOU!)......bowled for many years, carried a 195 average...
Other than that...
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LOl...wow...couldn't have picked a worse guy to try and make an example of....played football and baseball since I was able to walk, ran track, 220/ high jump/ 50... wrestled for 2 years...we won our state Football championship in H.S....was the starting tailback with a 4.5 40....undefeated. Was an American Gladiator...play Golf with a tournament index of 14, won 2 championships in this past year, Club Championships coming up THIS week (I'll dedicate the trophy to YOU!)......bowled for many years, carried a 195 average...
Other than that...
Hahahahahahaha...I pegged that one. HS football. Did you play for Polk High?
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to emn1946 or whatever, settle down dickhead.
the aas use in the ifbb's most likely higher than in pro sports. and a "drug free" nba, nfl, mlb, etc. would be a shitty one to watch. sure , people will still watch it, but the money in it would go down to the money made pre-steroids, i.e. "pro athletes" having to get second jobs to support their families like they did in the "golden era" of pro sports that you so yearn for.
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Here is the bottom line:
1) Flex magazine blatantly lies to its readers with idiotic claims such as "get big like this" next a picture of johnnie jackson, without any mention of a drug protocol.
2) The IFBB should remove any mention of "drug testing" from their so called rule book.
Pointing at other sports and crying "but they use drugs too!" is silly comparison to rationalize/justify ones own drug use.
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WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!! Without their "little helper" this "sport's" base is cut over 50%. Don't believe me? See what happened the year everyone went natural in the Olympia (Don't remember the year but Lee Haney looked like shit compared to what we are used to seeing.) The IFBB needs drugs to survive, anyone that doesn't believe that is foolish.
They just enjoy pulling the wool over people's eyes portraying the IFBB as some corperation that gives a crap about health and fitness when the very "athletes" that make the IFBB their money (guys and dolls) are walking pharmacies. What's just as bad is the sick supplement companies that get away with selling their shit and use pros to sell their garbage and the uninformed public believes these assholes get they way they do because of their garbage. This whole industry is a fucking sick, sick joke and only a handful of people make real money from it while the dumbasses struggle to get by. Only in the IFBB. ::)
THAT EXPLAINS WHY YOUR HERE.... ::)
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LOL tell me you got more then 1 guy who played 20 years ago :D
BRUTAL ATTEMPT TO GET ON A BBING BOARD TO ACT LIKE NOT LIKING MEN.......WOW ::)
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Chick if you think for one second that the microscopic AAS use in NFL is anywhere near the rampant abuse of AAS in the IFBB then you are beyond delusional.
Can someone get this boy a reality check!
MICROSCOPIC! are you insane? There isn't a professional sport that isn't riddled with the use of performance enhancing drugs.
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You can tell these guys dont get out from behind their keyboards much, there is some of AAS in high school football, but at college its as common as taking sports supps, the NFL come on you guys you cant be serious, theres more GH abuse in the nfl than what there is in bodybuilding, simply as they have a shitload more cash.
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i dont think tom prince and flex wheeler would be freaks without the juice.
Youre quite the "freak" without the juice "Mars". ::)
All joking aside, i agree with Bob on all of his posts.
Haters will be haters.