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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sherief Shalaby on September 16, 2008, 07:12:23 AM
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Dorian showed 4 diff. versions of himself here while Shawn was always Shawn..
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Despite being a total douchebag, Shawn thought that what he brought to the stage was the best in the world, and he did that consistently...cant knock him
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Shawn by a country mile.
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Shawn by a country mile.
::)
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Shawn = Mini-me
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Looks fantastic in the 97 pic
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Dorian showed 4 diff. versions of himself here while Shawn was always Shawn..
As you said, Shanw always brought the same package, a great one indeed, but he could only count on Dorian failing somehow to hope to win. Which never happened though time took its toll on Dorian. Shawn maybe had a case in '94 but that was far from being that obvious. '96 wasn't that close. And '97...well, if nasser had a case, then so did Levrone and Shawn.
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Shawn should have won in 96 and 97. Dorian in 92 and 93. Kevin in 94 and 95. No Mr. O should win with one good bicep. >:(
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Shawn destroys him here. Dorian has sausage quads, hanging love handles and only one bicep (and even that one's not very good). He looks horrible.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234588.0;attach=274563;image)
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Shawn destroys him here. Dorian has sausage quads, hanging love handles and only one bicep (and even that one's not very good). He looks horrible.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234588.0;attach=274563;image)
true, Dorian looks like he was put together like frankenstein.
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YES I AGREE RAY WAS INCREDIBLE BUT YOU COULD SEE EACH NEWER PIC RAY GOT DRIER AND HARDER,97 HE WAS TIGHT.91 LOOKED FULL AND SOFTER .OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS WHAT COULD HE HAD DONE DIFFERENT TO ACHIEVE THAT 97 LOOK COMPARED TO 91?
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As you said, Shanw always brought the same package, a great one indeed, but he could only count on Dorian failing somehow to hope to win. Which never happened though time took its toll on Dorian. Shawn maybe had a case in '94 but that was far from being that obvious. '96 wasn't that close. And '97...well, if nasser had a case, then so did Levrone and Shawn.
Shawn Ray kept his shape (size & condition) throughout his long career.. He never disappointed his fans.. Was always the same.. Was always in shape.. In my opinion this was good for him and secured a good place for him till the end but on the other hand ppl knew his "unchangeable" body very well 2 the extent tht it was not a big fun 2 watch him posing.. Ppl were always waiting 4 Yates routine or Flex Wheeler to see wht new Yates would show or would Wheeler be off or on this time??..
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Shawn should have won in 96 and 97. Dorian in 92 and 93. Kevin in 94 and 95. No Mr. O should win with one good bicep. >:(
"biceps".
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true, Dorian looks like he was put together like frankenstein.
Yeah, but Shawn looks like a tall midget in that pic. Short arms, long torso, squatty legs.
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Yeah, but Shawn looks like a tall midget in that pic. Short arms, long torso, squatty legs.
get over it. there have been a handful of great bodybuilders that have been considered short. im 5'10 and can appreciate what Shawn did.
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Shawn destroys him here. Dorian has sausage quads, hanging love handles and only one bicep (and even that one's not very good). He looks horrible.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234588.0;attach=274563;image)
but the nuthuggers claim he has perfect proportions, no weak bodyparts and the best conditioning ever!..
yeah..right...
::)
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In 1992 and 1993 (his first 2 victories) he selected No. 16!!..
In 1996 and 1997 (his last 2 victories) he selected No. 12!!..
Kevin Levrone (his runner-up in 92) selected No. 1!!..
Flex Wheeler (his runner-up in 93) selected No. 1!!..
Nasser El-Sonbaty (his runner-up in 97) selected No. 1!!..
Strange!!!..
Strange? You know what's strange ..You act as if you have a drop of sense ...Then can't accept the fact that history cannot be changed ..No matter what you would like others to believe...They were all second..And on thet day the champ ..remained the champ..
Now move along..
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true, Dorian looks like he was put together like frankenstein.
Exactly. I don't know what it is that people find so appealing about him. He's got shitty arms that millions of gym rats own him in. His back is completely overhyped, and he had a pregnant belly forever. I don't care about his condition beer keg really. There were dozens of competitors that were much more complete than him. He does look like a Frankenstein bodybuilder, you're right..
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Exactly. I don't know what it is that people find so appealing about him. He's got shitty arms that millions of gym rats own him in. His back is completely overhyped, and he had a pregnant belly forever. I don't care about his condition beer keg really. There were dozens of competitors that were much more complete than him. He does look like a Frankenstein bodybuilder, you're right..
few people do find yates appealing.
he is getting bashed to hell on this board, and even pro bb sites like Muscletime are saying others should have won instead of him.
everywhere you look, Yates is being bashed.
sad really, because its not his fault. Blame the IFBB for giving him wins he did not deserve.
its not dorian's fault he was a barrel with twigs ;D
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I don't get you people sometimes, here you are discussing the results of a series of fixed "contests" that took place over a decade ago...WHY???
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where the fuck is ND? and why is he not all over this defending yates again? lol
there was an emergency at McDonald's.
Someone was caught masturbating to a dorian yates poster in the bathroom.
ND went in to "investigate".. 8)
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there was an emergency at McDonald's.
Someone was caught masturbating to a dorian yates poster in the bathroom.
ND went in to "investigate".. 8)
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why would there be a dorian yates poster in the bathroom?
and what kind of a freak would masturbate to yates? :o
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you mean ND went to "JOIN" right? ;D
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few people do find yates appealing.
he is getting bashed to hell on this board, and even pro bb sites like Muscletime are saying others should have won instead of him.
everywhere you look, Yates is being bashed.
sad really, because its not his fault. Blame the IFBB for giving him wins he did not deserve.
its not dorian's fault he was a barrel with twigs ;D
and for some reason many people think Ronnie lost in 1998 to Flex, 1999 to Cormier, 2001 to Jay, 2002 to Kevin or Gunther and so on....
yet if you watch the video Ronnie won all of those easily.....the same with Dorian....
you guys need to grow up
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Shawn looks a lot better. He doesn't look pregnant.
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and for some reason many people think Ronnie lost in 1998 to Flex, 1999 to Cormier, 2001 to Jay, 2002 to Kevin or Gunther and so on....
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
I have one of the Grand Prix's from 1996. No real lighting on these, close up. When Dorian turns around it's all over for everyone. Fuck pictures watch it live. Nasser, Kevin, Dillet so far ahead it's not funny.
Every Olympia has been fairly judged from 1991 until last years farce (not saying 1990 wasn't it was just pre-Dorian). Websites will say anything for controversy.
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why is it that in dorian's defense the nuthuggers (not saying you) always say, 'well you had to see him live to appreciate it"
thats fine. we know dorian will look better live than in pics.
but here is the problem:
so does everyone else.
So, when you take all these pics of dorian being owned, and see it live, sure, he may look better, but so does the person that is owning him.
and thus, he gets owned even more! 8)
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
Shawn Ray on Ronnie Coleman 1998
Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
;)
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
quote Flex magazine Jan 1999 on Ronnie's 1998 win
When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.
Flex magazine stating if Flex was 100% Ronnie would have been second ;)
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
Flex Wheeler 1998
It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!
Flex saying if he duplicated his ASC look from previous in the year he would have beat Ronnie 1998 , 250 pounds easily ;)
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
Ronnie's 250s taking a beating , Big Ron was LUCKY to defeat Flex again in 99 ;)
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Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever
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Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever
LOL. Would you go so far as to argue for his canonization? :D
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Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever Tranny Lover !!
:D
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Shawn looks a lot better. He doesn't look pregnant.
you must be a craxzy sumbitch that dorian yates is the most awsomest bodybilding conrtest ive ever seen you dont know godmamm thing if you thinks ray look better then awsomest yates you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.
how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?
how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?
hardly any.
fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.
but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.
on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..
even by sites like Muscletime
The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.
So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.
How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?
I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.
The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.
Kevin just crushing Ronnie , 3 year stretch Ronnie should have lost according to Kevin
1998 not a definitive win for Ronnie , Flex magazine says if Flex 100% Ronnie would be second , Flex Wheeler says if he duplicated his 98ASC showing he would have beaten Ronnie ' easily '
1999 Flex claims he was number 1 and sources say Big Ron was lucky to beat Flex again
2000 Levrone claims he beat Ronnie
2001 Cutler crushed him , Levrone says Jay was robbed
2002 Kevin says Ronnie should have lost
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.
Flex on Ronnie
In the years since you retired, have you gotten the urge to jump onstage again to do battle with Coleman and the rest of the guys?
WHEELER: I know in my heart that if I were the force I was before I had to abruptly leave the sport ... bro, I would have won a couple of Olympias by now--or at least Ronnie and I would be going back and forth, slugging it out, like in a brutal UFC [Ultimate Fighting Championship] fight. I have no doubt. And I have no doubt that it would be just me and him. I mean, where it's
him separated from everyone else down here on planet Earth, it would be me and him slugging it out. I don't mean to sound cocky, but I have no doubt. If you don't believe me, just go back to the old pictures and put them up against anybody competing today.
Flex saying if he didn't retire he's own a couple of Ronnie's Sandows lol
Shall I continue to crush every statement you make? ;)
1993 Mr Olympia Flex Wheeler says Dorian is ' unbeatable '
1999 Mr Olympia Flex Wheeler turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number 1 ;)
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you must be a craxzy sumbitch that dorian yates is the most awsomest bodybilding conrtest ive ever seen you dont know godmamm thing if you thinks ray look better then awsomest yates you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
sumbitchs ain't know about Yates >:(
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Yeah, but Shawn looks like a tall midget in that pic. Short arms, long torso, squatty legs.
i siad the same on ironage and got banned.
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Dorian looks awesome in that first pic from 1993 hitting that front lat spread, Shawn did look great in 1994 more than likely his best ever, good BB he was.
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ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?
BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.
1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay
Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.
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ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?
BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.
1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay
Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.
I never once said I agree with any of that , that wasn't my point , my whole point is he claims NO ONE bashes Ronnie's wins which is a lie
The champ is a target people take shots just because they say so and so should have lost doesn't mean anything
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ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?
BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.
1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay
Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.
ND will quote anything because thats all he ever has - quotes.
real life is never his friend. lol
and everyone has explained why Ronnie only won by a few points in 98 - he was overlooked bigtime as you said and ND denies this - saying it was close because he could 'barely beat' Flex ::)
the guy is a moron plain and simple.
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ND will quote anything because thats all he ever has - quotes.
real life is never his friend. lol
and everyone has explained why Ronnie only won by a few points in 98 - he was overlooked bigtime as you said and ND denies this - saying it was close because he could 'barely beat' Flex ::)
the guy is a moron plain and simple.
You were just owned as usual you CAN NOT respond to what I said ;) you claimed NO ONE bashed Ronnie ::) and you think bashing makes things true lol you're always wrong
When Flex , Kevin , Ray , Cutler , and Flex magazine all bash Ronnie its NOT true but when YOU and your fan-boys bash Dorian it is true lol
Just like all of Yates' wins were fixed and politics , yet when judged by the same judges all of Ronnie wins were accurate lol
When you get crushed you're reduced to ad homein attacks because you know you're owned and you're trying to save face , there is a very good reason Kevin Horton called your a retard
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Flex looks 2 months out here :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234581.0;attach=274652;image)
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Flex looks 2 months out here :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234581.0;attach=274652;image)
Which is exactly why he lost !
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look at ronnie's delts and traps in that shot lying down.
no wonder dorian said he looked like a cartoon! that is crazy!
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and you think bashing makes things true
by itself - hell no.
but when it is accompanied by mountains of corroborating pics - esp from pro sites like muscletime?
hell yeah!
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new shot of dorian 94, compared to shawn 94.
what a scam..
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new shot of dorian 94, compared to shawn 94.
what a scam..
Dorian looks like a granite statue... Shawnee like an angry midget. :)
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Shawn should have won in 96 and 97. Dorian in 92 and 93. Kevin in 94 and 95. No Mr. O should win with one good bicep. >:(
Agreed 100%
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Dorian looks like a granite statue... Shawnee like an angry midget. :)
not in that shot shawn ray owns him and that pose period.yates delts and pecs are not even close to rays shape and fullness.dorian was a mountain otherwise.
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Love him or hate him,Shawn Ray is one of the best bodybuilders that ever lived.
Shawn made tiny bits of progress yearly whereas a guy like Yates upped the dosage,got a lot bigger consistantly every year,but ruined his lines in the process,by being out of proportion and developing the first big gut look that prevails today........in essence,he helped fuck up the sport.
Ray probably used no where near the amount of gear Yates did,and regardless of titles won,most would much rather have Rays physique over Yates`.
Shawn Ray looks exactly like what a bodybuilder should look like.
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Shawn Ray looks exactly like what a bodybuilder should look like.
Agree 100%
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Dorian had the 2nd ugliest midsection of any pro I've ever seen. The worst goes to Kovacs. Dorians waist is wider than his hips.
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Love him or hate him,Shawn Ray is one of the best bodybuilders that ever lived.
Shawn made tiny bits of progress yearly whereas a guy like Yates upped the dosage,got a lot bigger consistantly every year,but ruined his lines in the process,by being out of proportion and developing the first big gut look that prevails today........in essence,he helped fuck up the sport.
Ray probably used no where near the amount of gear Yates did,and regardless of titles won,most would much rather have Rays physique over Yates`.
Shawn Ray looks exactly like what a bodybuilder should look like.
exactly.
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2008???? Dorian by a mile ;D
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there was an emergency at McDonald's.
Someone was caught masturbating to a dorian yates poster in the bathroom.
ND went in to "investigate".. 8)
It is amazing how sad and pathetic you have become in your constant ad hominem attacks. How low of you to insult people instead of debating logically your points.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Love him or hate him,Shawn Ray is one of the best bodybuilders that ever lived.
Shawn made tiny bits of progress yearly whereas a guy like Yates upped the dosage,got a lot bigger consistantly every year,but ruined his lines in the process,by being out of proportion and developing the first big gut look that prevails today........in essence,he helped fuck up the sport.
Ray probably used no where near the amount of gear Yates did,and regardless of titles won,most would much rather have Rays physique over Yates`.
Shawn Ray looks exactly like what a bodybuilder should look like.
Sorry but the first Big gut look belonged to Mohammed Benaziza
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yeah Shawn couldn't touch Dorian. ::)
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It is amazing how sad and pathetic you have become in your constant ad hominem attacks. How low of you to insult people instead of debating logically your points.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It's all he has left , every point he made was crushed, I mean he doesn't know professional bodybuilding he knows what he likes and doesn't like . this is the same guy who came to the conclusion Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler after reviewing all the ' visual evidence ' he knows he can't debate logically he has to go on the offensive and rely on ad hominem attacks
Hulkster = over
he still hasn't recovered from Kevin Horton calling him a retard
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yeah Shawn couldn't touch Dorian. ::)
See what you just did is post a strawman comparison to prove your ' point ' you posted off shots of Dorian to a great shot of Shawn , that proves you're biased and fear great shots of Dorian , the only thing your pots proves if your desperation
I'm going to do what you just did and it proves nothing
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Dorian looks like a granite statue... Shawnee like an angry midget. :)
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few people do find yates appealing.
he is getting bashed to hell on this board, and even pro bb sites like Muscletime are saying others should have won instead of him.
everywhere you look, Yates is being bashed.
sad really, because its not his fault. Blame the IFBB for giving him wins he did not deserve.
its not dorian's fault he was a barrel with twigs ;D
I find Yates no more unappealing than Coleman at his end.
Personally I would have much rather looked like Yates when he retired than Coleman, by a long shot.
Coleman was an embarassment in the end, Yates went out on top.
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it cracks me up how you cream your panties to that black and white shot of Droian showing his underdeveloped quads and overdeveloped calves when he looks no better than Shawn in this shot let alone Ronnie, he looks roughly half Ronnie's size in that picture. ::)
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I find Yates no more unappealing than Coleman at his end.
Personally I would have much rather looked like Yates when he retired than Coleman, by a long shot.
Coleman was an embarassment in the end, The Judges helped Yates go out on top.
fixed
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it cracks me up how you cream your panties to that black and white shot of Droian showing his underdeveloped quads and overdeveloped calves when he looks no better than Shawn in this shot let alone Ronnie, he looks roughly half Ronnie's size in that picture. ::)
Wow so your response to your strawman if to cherry pick lol you're now reduced to picking out what YOU precieve as flaws on Yates and then gloss right over all of Shawn's faults , bias and preference account for that , you like what you like it doesn't mean what you like is better especially when contests are considered
if we're simply talking aesthetics , Shawn beats Dorian hands down I would personally rather look like Shawn any day of the week than Dorian or Ronnie , however that issue means nothing in the context of professional bodybuilding contests , you can argue that maybe it should but that's an whole other issue
the way bodybuilding contests are judged Dorian easily beats Ray and would beat Ronnie
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234581.0;attach=274841;image)
A man among boys.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234581.0;attach=274841;image)
A man among boys with the worst quads onstage.
fixed for accuracy.
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It is amazing how sad and pathetic you have become in your constant ad hominem attacks. How low of you to insult people instead of debating logically your points.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
did you go and help 'investigate' too?
LOL
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fixed out of desperation.
;)
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When it comes to Shawn Ray vs Dorian, it is not ricket science. Dorian had all the attributes Shawn had sans aesthetics but with 55 lbs more muscle. Shawn's physique was prettier, but he was not exactly the picture of perfect symmetry. He had small calves, shitty forearms, short quads, narrow back that was very cut and defined but lacked thickness. He also had an inferior structure to Dorian's, with a long torso and short legs. Dorian had everything on Shawn except for aesthetics. I'm sorry, but a smaller waist and rounder muscle bellies is not enough to make a bodybuilder better than another.
SUCKMYMUSCLE