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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

I have one of the Grand Prix's from 1996. No real lighting on these, close up. When Dorian turns around it's all over for everyone. Fuck pictures watch it live. Nasser, Kevin, Dillet so far ahead it's not funny.

Every Olympia has been fairly judged from 1991 until last years farce (not saying 1990 wasn't it was just pre-Dorian). Websites will say anything for controversy.

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 06:01:44 PM »
why is it that in dorian's defense the nuthuggers (not saying you) always say, 'well you had to see him live to appreciate it"

thats fine. we know dorian will look better live than in pics.

but here is the problem:

so does everyone else.

So, when you take all these pics of dorian being owned, and see it live, sure, he may look better, but so does the person that is owning him.

and thus, he gets owned even more! 8)
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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 06:12:56 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

Shawn Ray on Ronnie Coleman 1998

Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.


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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 06:15:21 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

quote Flex magazine Jan 1999 on Ronnie's 1998 win

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.


Flex magazine stating if Flex was 100% Ronnie would have been second  ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 06:16:32 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

Flex Wheeler 1998

It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!


Flex saying if he duplicated his ASC look from previous in the year he would have beat Ronnie 1998 , 250 pounds easily  ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 06:17:57 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique


Ronnie's 250s taking a beating , Big Ron was LUCKY to defeat Flex again in 99  ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 06:18:28 PM »
Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2008, 06:20:12 PM »
Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever
LOL. Would you go so far as to argue for his canonization?  :D

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2008, 06:21:37 PM »
Shawn Ray= A great father, leader, and best bodybuilder ever Tranny Lover !!


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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2008, 06:24:24 PM »
Shawn looks a lot better. He doesn't look pregnant.
you must be a craxzy sumbitch that dorian yates is the most awsomest bodybilding conrtest ive ever seen you dont know godmamm thing if you thinks ray look better then awsomest yates you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2008, 06:27:45 PM »
not really. only the three dorian nuthuggers.

how many threads do you see about ronnie being gifted all the time?

how many pro bodybuilding sites do you see proclaiming that others got shafted throughout his reign?

hardly any.

fact is - Ronnie does not get bashed much - sure people may bash his 300 pound look.

but no one bashes his 250ish pound physique.

on the other hand, dorian gets bashed at all stages and phases of his career..

even by sites like Muscletime

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.


Kevin just crushing Ronnie , 3 year stretch Ronnie should have lost according to Kevin

1998 not a definitive win for Ronnie , Flex magazine says if Flex 100% Ronnie would be second , Flex Wheeler says if he duplicated his 98ASC showing he would have beaten Ronnie ' easily '
1999 Flex claims he was number 1 and sources say Big Ron was lucky to beat Flex again
2000 Levrone claims he beat Ronnie
2001 Cutler crushed him , Levrone says Jay was robbed
2002 Kevin says Ronnie should have lost

Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.

Flex on Ronnie

  In the years since you retired, have you gotten the urge to jump onstage again to do battle with Coleman and the rest of the guys?

WHEELER: I know in my heart that if I were the force I was before I had to abruptly leave the sport ... bro, I would have won a couple of Olympias by now--or at least Ronnie and I would be going back and forth, slugging it out, like in a brutal UFC [Ultimate Fighting Championship] fight. I have no doubt. And I have no doubt that it would be just me and him. I mean, where it's

him separated from everyone else down here on planet Earth, it would be me and him slugging it out. I don't mean to sound cocky, but I have no doubt. If you don't believe me, just go back to the old pictures and put them up against anybody competing today.


Flex saying if he didn't retire he's own a couple of Ronnie's Sandows lol

Shall I continue to crush every statement you make?  ;)

1993 Mr Olympia Flex Wheeler says Dorian is ' unbeatable '

1999 Mr Olympia Flex Wheeler turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number 1  ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2008, 06:28:44 PM »
you must be a craxzy sumbitch that dorian yates is the most awsomest bodybilding conrtest ive ever seen you dont know godmamm thing if you thinks ray look better then awsomest yates you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

sumbitchs ain't know about Yates  >:(

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2008, 06:30:37 PM »
Yeah, but Shawn looks like a tall midget in that pic.  Short arms, long torso, squatty legs.
i siad the same on ironage and got banned.

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2008, 06:34:59 PM »
Dorian looks awesome in that first pic from 1993 hitting that front lat spread, Shawn did look great in 1994 more than likely his best ever, good BB he was.

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2008, 06:40:32 PM »
ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?

BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.

1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay

Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2008, 06:44:29 PM »
ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?

BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.

1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay

Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.

I never once said I agree with any of that , that wasn't my point , my whole point is he claims NO ONE bashes Ronnie's wins which is a lie

The champ is a target people take shots just because they say so and so should have lost doesn't mean anything

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2008, 06:47:47 PM »
ND you are quoting Shawn Ray as a reliable un-biased source? How can anyone take you seriously?

BTW you are also quoting John Hotham's book and his comments on how Ronnie's wins were close or lucky? Great book but his comments there were stupid.

1998 - Ronnie was overlooked in round 1, perfect scores round 2-4. Are you telling me he changed that much? He was clearly overlooked and had to claw his way back.
1999 - wasn't even close, who cares if Flex was pissed he should have been 3rd and Cormier 2nd no-one ever says that
2000 Way to big for anyone - 2002 Much better than Levroneb 2001 - bigger and harder than Jay

Fuck get over it all wins were fair. Until 2007. You should both be concentrating on the screw job on Wolf that is about to happen not the fair decisions of the past.

ND will quote anything because thats all he ever has - quotes.

real life is never his friend. lol

and everyone has explained why Ronnie only won by a few points in 98 - he was overlooked bigtime as you said and ND denies this - saying it was close because he could 'barely beat' Flex  ::)

the guy is a moron plain and simple.
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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2008, 06:55:11 PM »
ND will quote anything because thats all he ever has - quotes.

real life is never his friend. lol

and everyone has explained why Ronnie only won by a few points in 98 - he was overlooked bigtime as you said and ND denies this - saying it was close because he could 'barely beat' Flex  ::)

the guy is a moron plain and simple.

You were just owned as usual you CAN NOT respond to what I said  ;) you claimed NO ONE bashed Ronnie  ::) and you think bashing makes things true lol you're always wrong

When Flex , Kevin , Ray , Cutler , and Flex magazine all bash Ronnie its NOT true but when YOU and your fan-boys bash Dorian it is true lol

Just like all of Yates' wins were fixed and politics , yet when judged by the same judges all of Ronnie wins were accurate lol

When you get crushed you're reduced to ad homein attacks because you know you're owned and you're trying to save face , there is a very good reason Kevin Horton called your a retard


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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2008, 07:00:50 PM »
Flex looks 2 months out here  :-X

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2008, 07:04:25 PM »
Flex looks 2 months out here  :-X



Which is exactly why he lost !

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2008, 07:26:20 PM »
look at ronnie's delts and traps in that shot lying down.

no wonder dorian said he looked like a cartoon! that is crazy!
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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2008, 07:27:37 PM »
Quote
and you think bashing makes things true

by itself - hell no.

but when it is accompanied by mountains of corroborating pics - esp from pro sites like muscletime?

hell yeah!
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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2008, 03:42:53 AM »
new shot of dorian 94, compared to shawn 94.

what a scam..
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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2008, 03:44:02 AM »
new shot of dorian 94, compared to shawn 94.

what a scam..

Dorian looks like a granite statue... Shawnee like an angry midget. :)

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Re: Shawn Ray vs. Dorian Yates over the years.
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2008, 04:07:50 AM »
Shawn should have won in 96 and 97. Dorian in 92 and 93.  Kevin in 94 and 95. No Mr. O should win with one good bicep. >:(
Agreed 100%