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Feel free to add your own pics and discuss who had the better arms between these two greats.
Hulkster, ND, et al.: Stay on topic or vamoose! ;)
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Ronnie
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Arnold overall, by a long shot.
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Sergio's structure just blows me away. For arms alone, it's very close.
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Sergio.
More complete.
Arnold was all biceps.
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Sergio's arm development is really impressing me. He matches Arnold on size easily, but is lacking the biceps peak and deep separation that Arnold had.
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Sergio.
More complete.
Arnold was all biceps.
Arnold had some great triceps actually.
(http://www.emusclor.com/img/exercises/11-arnold-schwarzenegger-triceps-push-down.jpg)
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Wow.
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sergio's biceps were too flat. i think his arms look their worst in the front double biceps. weird.
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Sergio also had those stupid looking masonry worker elbows
Arnold is clearly superior, Sergio looks like an unfinished work
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Arnold was not all biceps but his biceps overpowered his triceps. His arms looked specially good on front poses. Sergio's arms had more balance to them . He never achieved great conditioning but he was freakier than Arnold on every level except for his chest.
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END OF THREAD 8)
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Arnie had a much better peak but his tris were nowhere near as good as Sergios and his forearms were nonexistant
Winner= Sergio
On the other hand even though his arms were bigger than his head, I doubt they were bigger than Arnies bloated melon
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END OF THREAD 8)
Is that first pic of Arnolds bicep peak shopped - looka a touch suspect.
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:o
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Ronnie
Yes but can you imagine what Arnolds arms would have looked like if he could have had the same drugs available to him as Ronnie. :o :o :o :o
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Is that first pic of Arnolds bicep peak shopped - looka a touch suspect.
Ya i think that color shot could be morphed, here's the real deal. Arnold's like Ronnie, both of them had good triceps size actually, but it's overlooked due to the outrageous bis.
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The shot of Sergio holding the pool stick is a classic. 8)
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Arnold was all biceps.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :P
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Based on pure size/mass - Sergio.
Based on overall appearance - Arnold.
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/18991asppi.jpg)
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Sergio!!!...couple of rare ones here...
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1972............
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1972 and 1980-81....
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1981 and 72
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1972.........
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2 All time BB Legends trading shots...
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Apples and oranges!!!!!!! Sergio just exemplified power!! While Arnold had that freaky peak
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Sergio!!!...couple of rare ones here...
f*cking hell, Sergio looks amazing in those pics! Adding them to my collection. Thank you. :)
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"Hey, Sergio - match this!"
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"Ok, Arnold. Here goes..."
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All the Arnold lovers seem to forget that the forearms are also part of the arm's appearance.Arnolds were not that great, but Sergio's were very good.
My pick would be Sergio.
Peace
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arnold has better peaks, and is leaner so his deffinition is better also.
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Hard to beleave SERGIOS ARMS measured only a tad over 20inchs!!
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Even as a older guy SERGIO still had some very impressive GUNS!!
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/arnoldandsergio.jpg)
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LOVE the condition Arnold displays here! 8)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/mnnbjiu.jpg)
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/arnoldandsergio.jpg)
Nice comparison there, Sergio was in great condation at the 1973 Mr International i have a couple of rare ones from that day ill dig out, Arnold in 1973 was in increadible shape at the olympia and i beleave Sergio would have had to be in his 1972 shape with another 5-6LBS of quality muscle to have a chance against Arnold at the 73 OLYMPIA.
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arnold had better biceps, sergio had better triceps, so it is parity
but (presumably) sergio smells more of Arnold, so the winner is Arnold
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Were Sergio's triceps really better than Arnold's?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=236120.0;attach=276164;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=236120.0;attach=276358;image)
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Were Sergio's triceps really better than Arnold's?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=236120.0;attach=276164;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=236120.0;attach=276358;image)
Arnold's triceps are often overlooked.
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sergio side triceps pose is completely wrong
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The real question is who is a billionaire governor of California and who is signing pics at expos.
The Beef
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Both had incredible arms, although I would say that Oliva has superior shape to his triceps as well as better proportions between biceps, triceps and forearms. Arnold's biceps had superior shape to Oliva's, but overpowered his triceps in my opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Both are unbelievable. Both huge arms. Arnold had a little better shape.
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The real question is who is a billionaire governor of California and who is signing pics at expos.
The Beef
Actually, no. We're still talking about best arms here.
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Heres a pic not seen too often of SERGIO at the 73 International..
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Great shirt on that guy on the right. ;D
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Both are unbelievable. Both huge arms. Arnold had a little better shape.
I'd have to agree. However, Sergio's height and length of his arms were a limiting factor. Arthur Jones even said Sergio had a legit 21 inch arm flexed but he could only squeeze and peak his bicep so much before his forearm got in the way. Arnold never had that problem because he had longer arms i.e. when he flexed his bicep all the way he still had almost an inch between his elbow joint and his bicep muscle, Sergio's bicep goes right up to his elbow joint. But lb for lb Sergio biceps were much bigger. Arnold NEVER had 21 inch arms.
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Sergio at W/S park 1972.. :o
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Relaxed Sergios arms were still HUGE.
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MM.........
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Sergio's "comeback" condition...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/167/images/Sergio_Oliva_97jpg.jpg)
Arnold's "comeback" condition...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/indexCAJ08ROW.jpg)
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Blahblah blah Nasser blah blah blah bla Ronnie blah blah racism.....,.
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Arnold Oliva
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That must be Mentzer's dad in the background. :D
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/indexCAJ08ROW.jpg)
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That must be Mentzer's dad in the background. :D
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/indexCAJ08ROW.jpg)
Thats Vince Basile...
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That must be Mentzer's dad in the background.
Thats Vince Basile...
Wrong, and wrong. It's actually George Butler. ;D
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Thats Vince Basile...
Shit I only just noticed that he's holding a camera, when I first saw it I thought he had his head in his hands and crying haha. Makes sense now.
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Sergio was way ahead of his time but I gotta go with Arnold on the arms.
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Relaxed Sergios arms were still HUGE.
Sergio had one hell of a structure and some super freaky arms. Arnold, if anyone, is able to match him on almost every front. Here's a couple of relaxed shots of The Austrian Oak's guns.
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Sergio's "comeback" condition...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/167/images/Sergio_Oliva_97jpg.jpg)
Arnold's "comeback" condition...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/indexCAJ08ROW.jpg)
What is the scar on Sergio's right arm? Ive seen it in many shots.
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What is the scar on Sergio's right arm? Ive seen it in many shots.
Gun shot wound.
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Pollux, who do you think has the best arms?
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Sergio, of course. But Arnold's right bicep had a nice peak.
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Sergio, of course. But Arnold's right bicep had a nice peak.
So did his left. ;)
Last two pics are Sergio at the 1985 Mr Olympia (8th place), and Arnold at 19 years old winning the 1967 NABBA Amateur Mr Universe title.
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I'd have to agree. However, Sergio's height and length of his arms were a limiting factor. Arthur Jones even said Sergio had a legit 21 inch arm flexed but he could only squeeze and peak his bicep so much before his forearm got in the way. Arnold never had that problem because he had longer arms i.e. when he flexed his bicep all the way he still had almost an inch between his elbow joint and his bicep muscle, Sergio's bicep goes right up to his elbow joint. But lb for lb Sergio biceps were much bigger. Arnold NEVER had 21 inch arms.
bwhaahahah "he couldn't flex any further because of the forearms" lol. They both had about the same size arms, regardless of what Jones measured or not. Sergio's might've looked bigger to some because his frame was smaller, but in absolute size nah, they were always close.
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Heres a pic not seen too often of SERGIO at the 73 International..
That's the show in which Schwarzenegger refused to come out of the crowd to accept Oliva's challenge in a relatively neutral contest, sitting with Weider. Instead Columbu went up.
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This is a great shot of Sergio's arms. The raised arm shows incredible triceps detail; rock hard and a striated outer head. The separation between the long head and outer head is impressive. This was taken in the early '80's when conditioning was improving and Sergio moved on with the times.
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Pollux, who do you think has the best arms?
Hmmmm...it's a VERY tough call for me. Sergio's arms were just ridiculous with size/mass (awesome!), but Arnold's arms had a "beauty" to them, if you will.
If I had to choose, I'd probably give it to Arnold - by a hair!
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Evolution of an "Oak arm"...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/875t.gif)
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This is a great shot of Sergio's arms. The raised arm shows incredible triceps detail; rock hard and a striated outer head. The separation between the long head and outer head is impressive. This was taken in the early '80's when conditioning was improving and Sergio moved on with the times.
Yeah Sergio was quiet shredded there for the time (1980-81) one thing thats not mentioned alot are Sergios legs, his hamstrings were ahead of his time (when he choose to get into shape) heres another pic of Sergio with impressive quads at the 1973 International...
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First ones out of an old muscle-builder and the next one is out of Muscle-wars (by rick wayne) in both shots Sergios arms are impressive.
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This is a great shot of Sergio's arms. The raised arm shows incredible triceps detail; rock hard and a striated outer head. The separation between the long head and outer head is impressive. This was taken in the early '80's when conditioning was improving and Sergio moved on with the times.
very impressive arms in that pic.
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bwhaahahah "he couldn't flex any further because of the forearms" lol. They both had about the same size arms, regardless of what Jones measured or not. Sergio's might've looked bigger to some because his frame was smaller, but in absolute size nah, they were always close.
You fucking dipshit! Arnold's arms were longer. He had a bigger gap between his elbow joint and bicep. Hence in all his pics with his biceps flexed he's got a much bigger/higher peak. Everytime Sergio flexes his arms you can obviously tell his range of motion is limited because his arms are so huge, shorter, and his forearms are so big. Look at the gap when Arnold's biceps is fully flexed compared to Sergios. If Sergio could have fully flexed his bicep like Arnold it would have looked a lot bigger....hence why Sergio's was a legit 21" arm comapred to Arnolds.
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Good stuff guys.
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First ones out of an old muscle-builder and the next one is out of Muscle-wars (by rick wayne) in both shots Sergios arms are impressive.
How Sergio LOST in 1972 is beyond me. I remember Arnold commenting about the backround of the venue?.....
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How Sergio LOST in 1972 is beyond me. I remember Arnold commenting about the backround of the venue?.....
So you still actually believe those shows are legit lol listen it was about magazine sales, Arnold was the great white hope. Would've been close in a real show. Arnold was in his best shape the 2 following years and had a tan which he'd made the mistake of neglecting in 72, because he was expecting Oliva to be there after challenging him directly at the Mr. International show before the Olympia.
You fucking dipshit! Arnold's arms were longer. He had a bigger gap between his elbow joint and bicep. Hence in all his pics with his biceps flexed he's got a much bigger/higher peak. Everytime Sergio flexes his arms you can obviously tell his range of motion is limited because his arms are so huge, shorter, and his forearms are so big. Look at the gap when Arnold's biceps is fully flexed compared to Sergios. If Sergio could have fully flexed his bicep like Arnold it would have looked a lot bigger....hence why Sergio's was a legit 21" arm comapred to Arnolds.
Naive speculation. The muscles were shaped due to genetics, there was more peak because there was more peak. Arms being too big to flex is silly and untrue. Besides which their arms were similar in absolute size, you're fooled again because Oliva had greater relative size.
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So you still actually believe those shows are legit lol listen it was about magazine sales, Arnold was the great white hope. Would've been close in a real show. Arnold was in his best shape the 2 following years and had a tan which he'd made the mistake of neglecting in 72, because he was expecting Oliva to be there after challenging him directly at the Mr. International show before the Olympia.
Absolutely not. I was trying to infer something. Don't want to get on the outing JW and bragging to all the other bodybuilders about banging his trophy wife. Not that it happened, BTW.... :o
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someone at my gym told me that arnold had 28'' arms, but i doubt they were that monstorous. I dont know if it is possible to have arms that big.
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Naive speculation. The muscles were shaped due to genetics, there was more peak because there was more peak. Arms being too big to flex is silly and untrue. Besides which their arms were similar in absolute size, you're fooled again because Oliva had greater relative size.
What the man is saying is Sergios arms and forearms have extremey long muscle bellies, whereas with most people there is a gap, with Sergio the double-bi you see him do is as far as his arms will go due to the development of the upper and lower arms limiting his range of motion. The drawback is that due to the extremely long bellies, he had no bicep peak, especially compared to Arnold, much like Larry Scott vs Albert Beckles, 2 extremes of long vs short bellies with no peak/peak. I dont believe it harmed his training or limited his development, its a great "problem" to have that.
Sergio had unparalleled genes, imagine him being around in the modern era, what he could've looked like.
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How Sergio LOST in 1972 is beyond me.
Here's what Sergio had to say about the 1972 Mr. Olympia during an interview with Ron Harris (MuscleMag International issue 235)...
Ron Harris: You believe Joe Weider fixed the 1972 Mr. Olympia in Essen, Germany so that his golden boy, Arnold, could win, even though you were the clear winner.
Sergio Oliva: In '72 I had been training with Arthur Jones. I was so big and freaky that when I saw myself in the mirror backstage, I said, "Jesus! I'm fucking huge!" Everyone knew I was the winner, even Arnold. Then right before we came out for the awards, they had us lined up. I was in the front. At the last minute Joe Weider came back and switched me and Arnold. I knew something funny was going on. Sure enough, they announced Arnold as the winner. The crowd was so angry that they threw tomatoes, pop bottles, everything at the stage and the judges. Joe controlled the judges. Later they tried to say my skin was too dark and I blended in with the black curtains. What kind of bullshit excuse is that? The whole point was that Arnold was on all his covers and endorsed all Weider's products. I never did that.
So there you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth.
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I believe Sergio's triceps are so big because, as Figo said, he knew he wouldn't have the peak of an Arnold or Beckles. So, he trained his triceps twice as hard to make them so powerful that they took the focus away from rather long and uninteresting biceps. Anyone who knows more about Sergio's history can correct me if I'm wrong, but it stands to reason.
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Hmmmm...it's a VERY tough call for me. Sergio's arms were just ridiculous with size/mass (awesome!), but Arnold's arms had a "beauty" to them, if you will.
If I had to choose, I'd probably give it to Arnold - by a hair!
I'd say Arnold's were better when viewed from the back, no question. Much better detail and shape. From the front, it's very close. Side triceps I would probably give to Arnold based on the pics that I've seen of both hitting that pose. Side chest would also be close. The 1972 Olympia gives a half-decent comparison, though not great.
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I'd say Arnold's were better when viewed from the back, no question. Much better detail and shape.
I totally agree. His arms were very detailed with great shape when he did his signature three-quarter back pose or rear-double bi.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/indexCA5PJ4CP.jpg)
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Big arms.
All the way big arms.
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"Looks like I've got better arms than you, Arnold!"
"Keep looking."
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oliva had no bicep peak
end of story
game over
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oliva had no bicep peak
end of story
game over
His biceps weren't as peaked as Arnold, but the pure size of his arms is outstanding. Look at his right arm here. :o
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His biceps weren't as peaked as Arnold, but the pure size of his arms is outstanding. Look at his right arm here. :o
his biceps were not peaked at all
just huge
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his biceps were not peaked at all
just huge
Good point. A better peak will score better due to its aesthetic quality.
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I wonder how many guys on this board started lifting because of Arnolds arms? I remember when I first saw Conan as a kid. I didnt think he looked human.
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Awesome shot of Sergio. Just awesome! 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=236120.0;attach=278404;image)
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Sergio - 1970 Mr.World ::)
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Sergio & Arnie.. 8)
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Whats amazing is Sergio actually tore his triceps on a barbell extension movement and still had huge arms. I cant think of anyone else in history (unlike Sergio who had such long muscle bellies and such huge arms) that a major tear didnt screw up their career. Look at Sergio's early pictures and his left tricep....then look at his later pictures and his left tricep after the tear.....where it rolled upward and got shorter but because his muscle bellies were so astronomically long....it looked 'normal'.....someone like Chris Cormier with the same type of tricep tear was unable to get away with it.
I go with Sergio as far as a hanging relaxed arm....that pool stick pic is still amazing....and Ill give it to Arnold for a flexed arm.....
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Great comparisons, guys!
I especially like the one between Sergio and Arnold doing the same pose. Really shows the difference in detail from the back and their triceps size actually being quite similar.
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GoneAway...
I posted pics on this thread comparing the comeback physiques of Arnold Schwarzenegger ('80) and Sergio Oliva ('84/'85). Who do you think had the better "comeback physique"?
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Firstly, I'll give my final thoughts on the arms debate. All things considered: size, shape, symmetry, proportion and definition, I call it a draw.
Size: Sergio, due to the fact that he had larger forearm flexors than Arnold. Everything else is equal.
Shape: Equal. Arnold had better biceps shape, whilst Sergio had remarkable triceps shape from the front
Symmetry: Equal.
Proportion; Equal. Both men had different proportions in the sense that Arnold's biceps (arguably) overpowered his triceps, yet Sergio's triceps (arguably) overpowered his biceps.
Definition: Arnold edges out Sergio on definiton in various poses, especially back double biceps.
GoneAway...
I posted pics on this thread comparing the comeback physiques of Arnold Schwarzenegger ('80) and Sergio Oliva ('84/'85). Who do you think had the better "comeback physique"?
It's so close, Pollux. They're both ripped to shreds, though Arnold has better cuts on the front of his quads and through his serratus/intercostal tie in. Sergio appears to be carrying more size, yet Arnold isn't slouching in that area either. For some reason, I'm leaning towards Sergio.
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ARNIE VS SERGIO ??????????????
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:D :D :D ;D
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Here's a photo I took myself at the 84 Olympia. From this angle, Oliva's bi's looked a little more peaked than usual.
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ARNIE VS SERGIO ??????????????
Nice work there mate, looks like you spent abit of time putting togeather those Comparisons. :) :) :)
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Here's a photo I took myself at the 84 Olympia. From this angle, Oliva's bi's looked a little more peaked than usual.
Thats one rare picture there thankyou! :o :o :o
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ARNIE VS SERGIO ??????????????
Fantastic comparisons. Thankyou. :)
Oh, and Arnie KILLS Sergio on every pose.
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Sergio also had those stupid looking masonry worker elbows
Arnold is clearly superior, Sergio looks like an unfinished work
those elbows are courtesy rhesus monkey GH.