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The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.
After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.
Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.
The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,1440865.story
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
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The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.
After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.
Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.
The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.
LMFAO
these people need to be ridiculed and corrected thats all that can be done.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
The Universe always existed the big bang just causes its rapid expansion ;)
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
Do you honestly believe the bible is 100% literal truth, Coach?
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
And you believe the bible is the truth.
Jackass.
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Do you honestly believe the bible is 100% literal truth, Coach?
yeah it is, shut up your going to hell
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,1440865.story
her personally religious beliefs should not matter as long as she can seperate church and state. The question that you are asking is, can she.
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yeah it is, shut up your going to hell
Oh how cute, a troll.
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her personally religious beliefs should not matter as long as she can seperate church and state. The question that you are asking is, can she.
She can't she wanted creationsim taught along side evolution
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And you believe the bible is the truth.
Jackass.
Hey Camel, I saw a comment on MarketWatch.com by another person name "Camel Jockey", by any chance do you post on that site?
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Oh how cute, a troll.
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She can't she wanted creationsim taught along side evolution
Unreal.
I am not an atheist that hates religious people by any means but really, it's just embarassing how little we have progressed as a species in that regard
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LMFAO
these people need to be ridiculed and corrected thats all that can be done.
That's Getbig's motto!
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
Coach, in this and in all things, you are a true moron.
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I am reading the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, it is interesting that he directly addresses Democracy and Capitalism. He seems to think that as the population increases that a Democracy becomes more ineffective. Think about it, your vote is 1/300 million..soon it will be 1/1 billion, this makes individual votes statistically inconsequential.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
:-[
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Coach, in this and in all things, you are a true moron.
"Work hard and vote Republican"
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"Work hard and vote Republican"
that is a very provincial way of thinking
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Unreal.
I am not an atheist that hates religious people by any means but really, it's just embarassing how little we have progressed as a species in that regard
I am an Atheist and I don't hate religious people , many family members are , but facts are facts
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I am an Atheist and I don't hate religious people , many family members are , but facts are facts
Well, hopefully you don't look to too down on me, I am agnostic (just can't shake that glimmer of hope from a Baptist upbringing) but I know alot of people that down even believe in evolution!!! it's insane.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
exactly i am sure adonis believes in carbon dating also ::)
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
The matter in the universe was never created; it always existed.
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its easiest thing to do is be athiest when u are healthy
hardest when u r on your deathbed.
hope this helps
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The matter in the universe was never created; it always existed.
prove it ;)
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The matter in the universe was never created; it always existed.
That your opinion, but it very common for people to believe in a 6000 year creation, actually more common then the big bang
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I am an Atheist and I don't hate religious people , many family members are , but facts are facts
There are many reasons to, though...
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her personally religious beliefs should not matter as long as she can seperate church and state. The question that you are asking is, can she.
Belief in the first few chapters of the book of Genesis does not concern me nearly as much as belief in the book of Revelations.
from http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/1
Palin very likely believes that Biblical prophecy is an infallible guide to future events and that we are living in the "end times." Which is to say she very likely thinks that human history will soon unravel in a foreordained cataclysm of war and bad weather. Undoubtedly Palin believes that this will be a good thing—as all true Christians will be lifted bodily into the sky to make merry with Jesus, while all nonbelievers, Jews, Methodists and other rabble will be punished for eternity in a lake of fire.
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Palin has spent her entire adult life immersed in this apocalyptic hysteria. Ask yourself: Is it a good idea to place the most powerful military on earth at her disposal? Do we actually want our leaders thinking about the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy when it comes time to say to the Iranians, or to the North Koreans, or to the Pakistanis, or to the Russians or to the Chinese: "All options remain on the table"?
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prove it ;)
Prove that it didn't ;) prove the creator created it , yet no one created the creator lol
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exactly.
prove God exists
prove he doesnt
end of debate.
im not claiming either or side, but as Richard Dawkins says he cannot be 100% sure there is no base for religion, i cant say im sure of it either.
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its easiest thing to do is be athiest when u are healthy
hardest when u r on your deathbed.
hope this helps
I don't live in fear of Heaven or Hell , I'll be an atheist when I die
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prove it ;)
The proof is simple.
I'm paraphrasing Bertrand Russell here,
"to deny the fact that matter always existed is to deny reality itself."
In other words, something can't be created from nothing.
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so james, basically, what u are saying is your taking something somebody else said that "sounds good" and applying it to the scenario here on getbig. ::)
oh.. it must be true if someone said it ::)
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She has stated this, yes.
Maybe she's just lying to appease to the religious voting base who believes the bible word for word.
Maybe she has zero grasp of science.
Either way, she scares me.
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its easiest thing to do is be athiest when u are healthy
hardest when u r on your deathbed.
hope this helps
From what I have seen from the pics, Boonstack is still a young guy. I remember being on a jobsite, working construction, after the Twin Towers fell, about his age, buying into all the bullshit about how the "world is coming into an end"
But then I got older, quit being so closet minded, read other peoples works, paid attention to what was going on around the world. Basically just pulled the head out of my ass...
Then you read stories about over in Africa, renegades raiding a small village, tying the husband of the house up, raping his wife in front of him, throwing his 2 or 3 babies in the fire, then shooting him in the head... it really makes you question the whole ideal of a "loving God"...
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so james, basically, what u are saying is your taking something somebody else said that "sounds good" and applying it to the scenario here on getbig. ::)
oh.. it must be true if someone said it ::)
No, moron.
It applies directly to what the coach said.
Your reading comprehension really sucks.
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The proof is simple.
I'm paraphrasing Bertrand Russell here,
"to deny the fact that matter always existed is to deny reality itself."
In other words, something can't be created from nothing.
This contradicts the big bang theory because it clearly states that the state of nothingness exploded, forming the univers.
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This contradicts the big bang theory because it clearly states that the state of nothingness exploded, forming the univers.
No, it doesn't contradict the big bang theory at all.
The universe goes through an eternal cycle of "big bangs" and then reversions to singularities.
Nothing was created, because it always existed.
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This contradicts the big bang theory because it clearly states that the state of nothingness exploded, forming the univers.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
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I have a feeling Coach believes everything the bible says word for word.... Only explanation for him ignoring facts all the time
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This contradicts the big bang theory because it clearly states that the state of nothingness exploded, forming the univers.
Where does it say that? Christian litterture?
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You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
lol.
This state of "nothingness" as he calls it, was actually all the matter in the universe compressed into infinite density and zero volume.
In some form or another, whether it be a singularity, or an expanded form, matter always existed.
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From what I have seen from the pics, Boonstack is still a young guy. I remember being on a jobsite, working construction, after the Twin Towers fell, about his age, buying into all the bullshit about how the "world is coming into an end"
But then I got older, quit being so closet minded, read other peoples works, paid attention to what was going on around the world. Basically just pulled the head out of my ass...
Then you read stories about over in Africa, renegades raiding a small village, tying the husband of the house up, raping his wife in front of him, throwing his 2 or 3 babies in the fire, then shooting him in the head... it really makes you question the whole ideal of a "loving God"...
poly,
It was not my intention to seem 'biased' in my comment. Im not saying one way or the other, i have taken a few metaphysics classes and havent necessarily isolated my study to one specific area, i am the most open minded person I know. Philosophy has came a long way from Plato. Its just that here "born in America" we are taught baptist, catholic, protestant, etc etc. You know the typical American "Bible in one hand, gun in the other" approach to religion. Little kids in the middle east being taught to KILL what people dont agree with there interpretation of religion is wrong, but they are taught that stuff just as kids here are taught about Noah's ark and Moses.
With religion the world is chaos (look at middle east)
without it, and the basic "commandment" morals, it would be chaos.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
LOL. Another drive-by post by Coach. As per usual, he won't return to the thread. ;)
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poly,
It was not my intention to seem 'biased' in my comment. Im not saying one way or the other, i have taken a few metaphysics classes and havent necessarily isolated my study to one specific area, i am the most open minded person I know. Philosophy has came a long way from Plato. Its just that here "born in America" we are taught baptist, catholic, protestant, etc etc. You know the typical American "Bible in one hand, gun in the other" approach to religion. Little kids in the middle east being taught to KILL what people dont agree with there interpretation of religion is wrong, but they are taught that stuff just as kids here are taught about Noah's ark and Moses.
With religion the world is chaos (look at middle east)
without it, and the basic "commandment" morals, it would be chaos.
Morals predate religion
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The universe goes through an eternal cycle of "big bangs" and then reversions to singularities.
that's one theory. another is that the universe expands forever until the average density is zero, then somewhere in this nothingness, another rapid inflation causes another big bang.
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I have a feeling Coach believes everything the bible says word for word.... Only explanation for him ignoring facts all the time
I just don't understand how that is possible...
But looking back into my youth I can cleary remember older people in my churches saying "The Bible is 100% truth, infallible and the World of God"
That includes Jonah living in a whale/big fishes stomach for 3 days, Samson killing 1,000 men (no more, no less mind you!) and of course Bill Maher's favorite... Noah getting EVERY species of the animal kingdom on an ark for 40 days...
Millions of people vote Republican for this very reason.
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look at O'Reilly, what a old, boring OAF. I wish Dawkins wasnt so calm and nice, he should annihilate o'reilly
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that's one theory. another is that the universe expands forever until the average density is zero, then somewhere in this nothingness, another rapid inflation causes another big bang.
Or the Multi-verse
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that's one theory. another is that the universe expands forever until the average density is zero, then somewhere in this nothingness, another rapid inflation causes another big bang.
That's true, but either way, matter always existed.
Also, there's no such thing as "nothingness."
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im not claiming either or side, but as Richard Dawkins says he cannot be 100% sure there is no base for religion, i cant say im sure of it either.
That is kind of a misleading statement, he said that on a scale of 1 to 7, he said he is a 6 meaning that a 7 is completely sure 100% that God doesn't exist.
But a 6 meant something lke he is about as sure that God doesn't exist as there isn't a "Massisive purple spagetti monster" as well, (or something like that)
Meaning, he is pretty damn sure that God doesn't exist.
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Humans all want the "final answer".
Why cant you just stick with the notion we CANT answer everything? Perhaps there are some things outside our realm of comprehension.
We are just objects of evolution anyway.
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That is kind of a misleading statement, he said that on a scale of 1 to 7, he said he is a 6 meaning that a 7 is completely sure 100% that God doesn't exist.
But a 6 meant something lke he is about as sure that God doesn't exist as there isn't a "Massisive purple spagetti monster" as well, (or something like that)
Meaning, he is pretty damn sure that God doesn't exist.
that is what i was trying to say. But, you should realize that dawkins is NOT undermining the last 1% as a possibility there is another answer. 1% is a lot in science :D
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poly,
It was not my intention to seem 'biased' in my comment. Im not saying one way or the other, i have taken a few metaphysics classes and havent necessarily isolated my study to one specific area, i am the most open minded person I know. Philosophy has came a long way from Plato. Its just that here "born in America" we are taught baptist, catholic, protestant, etc etc. You know the typical American "Bible in one hand, gun in the other" approach to religion. Little kids in the middle east being taught to KILL what people dont agree with there interpretation of religion is wrong, but they are taught that stuff just as kids here are taught about Noah's ark and Moses.
With religion the world is chaos (look at middle east)
without it, and the basic "commandment" morals, it would be chaos.
Morality is not dependant upon religion at all; your understanding is pathetic.
Morality is simply the name for a set of restrictions, enforced and accepted for the sake of societies collective benefit.
It exist out of mutual necessity.
Sometimes, the reasons behind these restrictions are not readily evident without digging deep and working to understand. There should be reasons that can be argued logically for each restriction imposed upon us. There is no room for dogma or superstition with this philosophy. There is no room for self-flagellating fools. All that remains is real.
So ask yourself everytime, "is this rule of benefit to society?"
Even amongst the most primitive societies, it is usually unlawful to steal or commit murder. If it were socially acceptable to do so, these societies would collapse and descend into chaos. There would never be advancement, only intellectual stagnation, feuds, and famine. That is why morality exist. It is not dependant upon any particular religion. It is based on logical order for the sake of the collective. When we learn to frame our morality from a PURELY logical standpoint, and stamp out the remnants of the old morality, we will be free.
Morality is constantly evolving, pushing forward on the road towards perfection (God).
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The answer to your question does not require a creator or other supernatural agent. We can test that we live in a world that at very small scales, matter/energy comes and goes all the time, apparently at random. So long as the net effect is zero, laws of conservation of matter and energy are not broken. Now suppose that the whole universe that we live in is inside of one of these miriads of random fluctuations ( one that we experience as "very big" ). We could then anticipate that this universe will cancel out leaving no trace anywhere. All the stories in it could happen without a creator, and without breaking any natural law. Which sounds like a good reason to enjoy the present moment.
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Boonstack, this isn't an attack against you, in any way.
I remember you said something about you parents owning some property in the Gulf of Mexico, which leads me to believe you have spent some time in Texas.
Bro, I was born and raised in Fort Worth, I have seen all the bullshit these churchs have put out. I have been in a prayer group (although I didn't exactly know what the fuck was going on) when I was 9 or 10 where 100's of people prayed for God to cure people of being Homosexual, its insane, how ignorant some of these people really are.
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The answer to your question does not require a creator or other supernatural agent. We can test that we live in a world that at very small scales, matter/energy comes and goes all the time, apparently at random. So long as the net effect is zero, laws of conservation of matter and energy are not broken. Now suppose that the whole universe that we live in is inside of one of these miriads of random fluctuations ( one that we experience as "very big" ). We could then anticipate that this universe will cancel out leaving no trace anywhere. All the stories in it could happen without a creator, and without breaking any natural law. Which sounds like a good reason to enjoy the present moment.
You're an idiot.
:D
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You're an idiot.
:D
And your face is extremely unappealing to look at :D
id like to see your parents
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That's why we invented religions... unwillingness to accept that there are some things we don't yet understand. "Gods" have always been mental catch-alls for the gaps in our understanding.
This is probably pretty accurate. We can all have our personal belief in something bigger, or choose not to.
Me and Coach got into a debate a few months back... he says that some documents were found which "proved" God, and I was just baffled. How could anything made by man prove something beyond man?
IMO, for any person to say he truly KNOWS anything about what's beyond us, is silly. You can believe we're just evolved animals who become worm food, or you can believe we have souls and are part of some higher power witha higher plan. Personally, I believe we're all part of some bigger energy that we couldn't understand.
Anyway, we all just "believe" something. None of us KNOWS anything.
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And your face is extremely unappealing to look at :D
id like to see your parents
I didn't say my face was appealing.
The fact that you pointed that out means you think it is appealing on some level.
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Boonstack, this isn't an attack against you, in any way.
I remember you said something about you parents owning some property in the Gulf of Mexico, which leads me to believe you have spent some time in Texas.
Bro, I was born and raised in Fort Worth, I have seen all the bullshit these churchs have put out. I have been in a prayer group (although I didn't exactly know what the fuck was going on) when I was 9 or 10 where 100's of people prayed for God to cure people of being Homosexual, its insane, how ignorant some of these people really are.
Pretty much same scenario here. But, you have to look at the generational difference. Im 21, was brought up with a whole different environment than the time our parents were. These people that go to church aren't "bad people", (which i think u agree) they are genuinely and sincerely "good people" that mean well. But, when you are a child you dont question things, you just accept them bc mom and dad say go to church, so you do. as u get older, then u realize how narrow minded the people are.
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She's right. Noah refused to let the dinosaurs on the Ark as the insurance premiums were crazy.
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I didn't say my face was appealing.
The fact that you pointed that out means you think it is appealing on some level.
really? so the fact i say "this drink tastes like shit" meant i thought it tasted good on some level?
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She's right. Noah refused to let the dinosaurs on the Ark as the insurance premiums were crazy.
;)
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This is probably pretty accurate. We can all have our personal belief in something bigger, or choose not to.
Me and Coach got into a debate a few months back... he says that some documents were found which "proved" God, and I was just baffled. How could anything made by man prove something beyond man?
IMO, for any person to say he truly KNOWS anything about what's beyond us, is silly. You can believe we're just evolved animals who become worm food, or you can believe we have souls and are part of some higher power witha higher plan. Personally, I believe we're all part of some bigger energy that we couldn't understand.
Anyway, we all just "believe" something. None of us KNOWS anything.
Yeah, why are we the only one out of hundreds of thousands of species, that are so much different than all the others... at least from an intelligence level?
It does make you think.
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I didn't say my face was appealing.
The fact that you pointed that out means you think it is appealing on some level.
You're hot
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233854.0;attach=273490;image)
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Yeah, why are we the only one out of hundreds of thousands of species, that are so much different than all the others... at least from an intelligence level?
It does make you think.
We're definitely advanced.
Then again, if you look at the NASA shuttle camera footage that shows some foreign flying object following the shuttle then sharply changing direction at 1000+ mph... (which no man-made machine can do and would kill anything made of what we're made of...)
Well, I believe if there's something else out there, it's probably more advanced that us.
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Yeah, why are we the only one out of hundreds of thousands of species, that are so much different than all the others... at least from an intelligence level?
It does make you think.
its all about a comfort level. If spirituality HELPS you be happy, then by all means go for it. People always say "how could Earth just have by CHANCE happened to have all ratios/factors to support life" just the way it is.
Well, maybe this universe A (ours) DID just happen to have all the "right stuff".
whereas univ B C or D may have not had the right levels of oxygen, dna, whatever u know?
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You're hot
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233854.0;attach=273490;image)
Thanks stud.
:)
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That would be fine if it stopped there. Unfortunately, religious people feel the need to share their nonsensical comfort crutch with others, some by merely annoying those around them, but others by running for office, writing opressive laws, starting wars, or ramming airplanes into buildings.
Actually its the oppisite, the one who don't believe in a creator feel the need to disprove their beliefs. I mean the thread was started by someone making fun of what someone believes, I happen to believe the dinosaurs and man existed together too, but I ain't making fun of people who believe in the big bang and I'm certainly not calling them idiots.
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I happen to believe the dinosaurs and man existed together
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The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.
After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.
Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.
The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.
:D doesnt your man OBAMA attend church also ? so either he beleives the same shit or he is a hypacrit ! Oh and I forgot OBAMA attended the kind of church that also preaches RACE HATE ! he just noticed this after 20 years ! LOL !
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, I happen to believe the dinosaurs and man existed together too,
You have got to be kidding me...
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You have got to be kidding me...
No I am not, but what do you care?
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:D doesnt your man OBAMA attend church also ? so either he beleives the same shit or he is a hypacrit ! Oh and I forgot OBAMA attended the kind of church that also preaches RACE HATE ! he just noticed this after 20 years ! LOL !
Dont forget, he is also a muslim and best friends with Louis Farakhan.
The blackies love watermelon & stealing purses him.
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No I am not, but what do you care?
Okay, then what leads you to believe this? You tell me why you think that dinosaurs and man lived together, and how dinosaur became extinct yet man survived.... then I will tell you why I think they didn't live together.
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We live in the unknown and we just dont want to accept that.
So I think neither evolution or creation should be taught in schools.
I find Dawkins beliefs i.e. "the selfish gene" and what not to be very empty, and I wonder if he lived a positive, happy life.
I personally believe everything is inter connected and we are all part of some energy source.
If you dont believe in anything i suggest you drop some acid and/or eat a couple of shrooms to get yourself thinking.
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He once kept one named "Dino" as a pet. ;D
Because his mommy and daddy took him to church and that is what he was told at a young age, much like people in Iran, India, and North Korea.
Some people in North Korea think that their leader is a God as well.
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He once kept one named "Dino" as a pet. ;D
lol.
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Okay, then what leads you to believe this? You tell me why you think that dinosaurs and man lived together, and how dinosaur became extinct yet man survived.... then I will tell you why I think they didn't live together.
If you want you can google this topic and you will find that not 1 or 2 but thousands of people believe this, it really isn't uncommon to believe this, but if you want to believe your dating methods then cool, but we have are reasons why we believe in whats we do.
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We live in the unknown and we just dont want to accept that.
So I think neither evolution or creation should be taught in schools.
I find Dawkins beliefs i.e. "the selfish gene" and what not to be very empty, and I wonder if he lived a positive, happy life.
I personally believe everything is inter connected and we are all part of some energy source.
If you dont believe in anything i suggest you drop some acid and/or eat a couple of shrooms to get yourself thinking.
maybe so, but carbon dating can verify that dinosaurs didn't exist 6,000 years and the Garden of eden concept.
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If you want you can google this topic and you will find that not 1 or 2 but thousands of people believe this, it really isn't uncommon to believe this, but if you want to believe your dating methods then cool, but we have are reasons why we believe in whats we do.
how can you believe in a scientific proof?..either it is true or false..
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I personally believe everything is inter connected and we are all part of some energy source.
me too. I'm not saying there isn't a creator, I'm not saying morality means nothing. I don't know enough about it.
But, in a universe where everything is created from and driven by energy, it makes sense we're part of it.
And Mccain has said that Palin knows more about energy than "anyone else in the united states".
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maybe so, but carbon dating can verify that dinosaurs didn't exist 6,000 years and the Garden of eden concept.
No it can't because they don't use carbon dating to date dinosaurs.how can you believe in a scientific proof?..either it is true or false..
Because to me its not proof, evidence at best.
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If something is proven, then it's proven.
Radio carbon dating is proven.. Oh but of course, you guys will just say that 'God' meant for it to deceive us, or make up some other nonsense to try and justify your beliefs. ::)
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No it can't because they don't use carbon dating to date dinosaurs.Because to me its not proof, evidence at best.
ummm..how do you prove something without evidence? you cannot believe in science..either it is true or false.
You can argue that the instruments used are flawed,or the data collected does not represent a sufficient sample size, or the people gathering the evidence lack sufficient data.
but belief is not part of the equation..this is fundamental to everything.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
coach supporting his republican friends even their stupidest remarks
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If something is proven, then it's proven.
Radio carbon dating is proven.. Oh but of course, you guys will just say that 'God' meant for it to deceive us, or make up some other nonsense to try and justify your beliefs. ::)
Camel, you cannot argue with irrational and non logical people.
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If something is proven, then it's proven.
Radio carbon dating is proven.. Oh but of course, you guys will just say that 'God' meant for it to deceive us, or make up some other nonsense to try and justify your beliefs. ::)
No I won't say that, Carbon dating isn`t accurate, but most people here will call me names for saying that. In one article in the National geographic magazine a freshly killed sealed carbon dated came up as 30 000 years old and a few sientest freely admited that every now and then there is flawed, so this is enough for me to believe that carbon dating is inaccurate, since then there has been thousands of cases that claim extremely old dates of remains that have only been dead for several hours.
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No I won't say that, Carbon dating isn`t accurate, but most people here will call me names for saying that. In one article in the National geographic magazine a freshly killed sealed carbon dated came up as 30 000 years old and a few sientest freely admited that every now and then there is flawed, so this is enough for me to believe that carbon dating is inaccurate, since then there has been thousands of cases that claim extremely old dates of remains that have only been dead for several hours.
it would help if you provided a link?
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Because to me its not proof, evidence at best.
Very strong evidence pointing to reality.
What kind of evidence does the Bible present?
You have a public official elected into office to best represent the people and do the right. Is it right that she believes in something incredibly ridiculous and irrational? Is it right she's for teaching our children things that are most likely not true, as opposed to something that has a much higher probability of being true?
Religious beliefs = strong correlation to less critical thinking ability. You have the United States, a nation that's always been on top and needs a educated future in the form of bright and well taught kids, not kids taught irrational stories from the Middle East.
So the scientists made a mistake.. Does that mean the technique is flawed? Does me putting you on a weight scale and applying the incorrect balance weights make the weight scale unproven all together?
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I am reading the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, it is interesting that he directly addresses Democracy and Capitalism. He seems to think that as the population increases that a Democracy becomes more ineffective. Think about it, your vote is 1/300 million..soon it will be 1/1 billion, this makes individual votes statistically inconsequential.
Great series of books. I've read them several times, along with the Robot series. Just got copies of the Empire novels a few weeks ago.
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it would help if you provided a link?
look it up yourself, its easy to find on google, i am dieting and frankly I really don`t care to lie about anything I`m just putting my 2 cents thats all, no need for disrespectful comments, I respect what others believe
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Very strong evidence pointing to reality.
What kind of evidence does the Bible present?
You have a public official elected into office to best represent the people and do the right. Is it right that she believes in something incredibly ridiculous and irrational? Is it right she's for teaching our children things that are most likely not true, as opposed to something that has a much higher probability of being true?
Religious beliefs = strong correlation to less critical thinking ability. You have the United States, a nation that's always been on top and needs a educated future in the form of bright and well taught kids, not kids taught irrational stories from the Middle East.
So the scientists made a mistake.. Does that mean the technique is flawed? Does me putting you on a weight scale and applying the incorrect balance weights make the weight scale unproven all together?
If you follow any type of statistics you will find that 3 fourths of the usa population believe we were created so I think your commont is`speaking only for yourself, she is representing America and she is on par with what the nation believes in
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Great series of books. I've read them several times, along with the Robot series. Just got copies of the Empire novels a few weeks ago.
great series, for me it underscores how little our government is actually doing for us.
1. Why don't we have a high speed rail system.
2. Why don't we have a high speed wireless/cell infrastructure.
3. Why don't we some kind of universal health care.
It is interesting that Japan and other Scandanivian countries have these, yet we don't.
I am really trying to figure out what our governemnt is actually doing for us...I recently saw I.O.U.S.A and I am truly terrified for our future.
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Nothing But MORONS in this thread.
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If you follow any type of statistics you will find that 3 fourths of the usa population believe we were created so I think your commont is`speaking only for yourself, she is representing America and she is on par with what the nation believes in
ok....so were a nation of dumb fucks
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maybe so, but carbon dating can verify that dinosaurs didn't exist 6,000 years and the Garden of eden concept.
Carbon dating is only "sometimes" accurate.
It's accurate when it puts the Dead Sea Scrolls at the age they're "hoped" to be, but it is incredibly accurate for things like the "Shroud of Turin."
It's really just a crap shoot. The entire thing is based on a half life of roughly 6,000 years for Carbon 14. Half lives are totally inaccurate. Everyone knows that even though Tylenol has a half life of 4 hours, it can stay active in your system anywhere from .00001 seconds to 10 billion years. This level of accuracy accounts for why Dinosaurs were kept as pets just a few thousands years ago.
After all, the Bible mentions something about a lizard, so we know humans lived at the same time as them.
I believe it mentions this near the passage where it talks about stoning to death any women that grabs the testicles of a man who's fighting her husband, before the part where Jesus' lineage is shown to be special because it can be traced to Adam...which is tantamount to tracing bath water back to the faucet.
It's all there.
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If you follow any type of statistics you will find that 3 fourths of the usa population believe we were created so I think your commont is`speaking only for yourself, she is representing America and she is on par with what the nation believes in
3/4th of the population probably can't tell your how many states there are in the union.
3/4th of the country probably can't name the VP
3/4th of the country probably couldn't tell you which countries borders us
3/4th of the country probably couldn't you show you where on the map Washington DC is
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We DON`T use Carbon dating anymore. We use POTASSIUM ARGON.
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The lot of you people are REALLY ignorant.
Unbelievably so.
Learn something:
Potassium-argon dating
Potassium-argon dating or K-Ar dating is a radiometric dating method used in geochronology and archeology. It is based on measuring the products of the radioactive decay of potassium (K), which is a common element found in materials such as micas, clay minerals, tephra, and evaporites. The long half-life of 40K allows the method to be used on all samples older than a few thousand years.[1] The quickly cooled lavas that make nearly ideal samples for K-Ar dating also preserve a record of the direction and intensity of the local magnetic field as the sample cooled past the Curie temperature of iron. The development of the geomagnetic polarity time scale depended largely on K-Ar dating.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Decay series
2 Method
3 Applications
4 Notes
5 References
6 Further reading
[edit]Decay series
Potassium naturally occurs in 3 isotopes - 39K (93.2581%), 40K (0.0117%), 41K (6.7302%). The radioactive isotope 40K decays with a half-life of 1.248x109 (1.248 billion) years. Conversion to stable 40Ca occurs via electron emission beta decay occurs in 89.1% of decay events. Conversion to stable 40Ar occurs via positron emission beta decay or electron capture in 10.9% of decay events.[3]
[edit]Method
Argon, being a noble gas, is not a major component of most samples of geochronological or archeological interest. When 40K decays to 40Ar, the gas may be unable to diffuse out of the host rock. Because argon is able to escape from molten rock, this accumulation provides a record of how much of the original 40K has decayed, and hence the amount of time that has passed since the sample solidified.
Calcium is common in the crust, with 40Ca being the most common isotope. Despite 40Ca being the favored daughter nuclide, its usefulness in dating is limited since a great many decay events are required for a small change in relative abundance.
The 40Ar content of a rock is determined by mass spectrometry of the gasses released when a sample is melted. The amount of 40K is determined using flame photometry or atomic absorption spectroscopy. The ratio of the amount of 40Ar to 40K is related to the time elapsed since the rock was cool enough to trap the Ar by:
In the foregoing, t is time elapsed, t1/2 is the half life of 40K, Kf is the amount of 40K remaining in the sample, and Arf is the amount of 40Ar found in the sample. The scale factor 0.109 corrects for the unmeasured fraction of 40K which decayed into 40Ca; the sum of the measured 40K and the scaled amount of 40Ar gives the amount of 40K in the original unaged sample. In practice, each of these values is scaled to the total potassium fraction as only relative, not absolute, quantities are required.
Extraneous argon is commonly incorporated into the cooling sample. The above equation may be corrected for the presence of non-radiogenic
40
Ar by subtracting from the measured 40Ar value the amount originally present as determined by the 40Ar/36Ar ratio. Ordinarily, 40Ar is 295.5 times more plentiful than 36Ar, though this may need to be adjusted if the sample cooled in an isotopically enriched or depleted region. The amount of the measured 40Ar that resulted from 40K decay is then:
40
Ardecayed =
40
Armeasured - 295.5 *
36
Armeasured.
Both flame photometry and mass spectrometry are destructive tests, so particular care is needed to ensure that the aliquots used are truly representative of the sample. Argon-argon dating is a similar technique which compares isotopic ratios from the same portion of the sample to avoid this problem.
Some additional information about the history and composition of a sample is required before K-Ar isotopic comparison may be used to produce accurate dates.[4] Great care is needed in selecting a sample for dating, as many potential samples have been contaminated by various means. The sample must have remained a closed system since it cooled enough to retain argon, neither admitting nor emitting either of the isotopes of interest. A deficiency of 40Ar in a sample of a known age can indicate a full or partial melt in the thermal history of the area. Molten magma can be contaminated by inclusion of older xenolithic material such as chilled deep sea basalts that may not completely outgas preexisting 40Ar before cooling. Reliability in the dating of a geological feature is increased by sampling disparate areas which have been subjected to slightly different thermal histories.[5]
Accuracy relies on the isotopic ratios included in the sample being representative since 40K is usually not measured directly, but is assumed to be 0.0117% of the total potassium. Unless some other process is active at the time of cooling, this is a very good assumption for terrestrial samples.[6] Accuracy also requires that the nuclear decay rate be unaffected by external conditions such as temperature and pressure. Because of the energy scales involved, this is a very good assumption, though the 40K electron capture partial decay constant may be enhanced at ultrahigh pressure.[1]
[edit]Applications
Due to the long half-life, the technique is most applicable for dating minerals and rocks more than 100,000 years old. K-Ar dating was instrumental in the development of the geomagnetic polarity time scale.[2] Although it finds the most utility in geological applications, it plays an important role in archaeology. One archeological application has been in bracketing the age of archeological deposits at Olduvai Gorge by dating lava flows above and below the deposits.[citation needed] It has also been indispensable in other early east African sites with a history of volcanic activity such as Hadar, Ethiopia.[citation needed] The K-Ar method continues to have utility in dating clay mineral diagenesis[7]. Clay minerals are less than 2 microns thick and cannot easily be irradiated for Ar-Ar analysis because Ar recoils from the crystal lattice.
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3/4th of the population probably can't tell your how many states there are in the union.
3/4th of the country probably can't name the VP
3/4th of the country probably couldn't tell you which countries borders us
3/4th of the country probably couldn't you show you where on the map Washington DC is
I obvioulsy get your point, majority beliefs count for nothing, but the country as a whole would rather have a leader that has a belief in a creator
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We DON`T use Carbon dating anymore. We use POTASSIUM ARGON.
Either way buddy, dont put all your eggs in one basket mmkay?
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We DON`T use Carbon dating anymore. We use POTASSIUM ARGON.
Potassium Argon isn't much better than Carbon-14. When it puts religious relics at the age they're "supposed" to be at, it's INCREDIBLY accurate, but when it doesn't, it is usually off by roughly 15 orders of magnitude.
Everyone knows this.
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Potassium Argon isn't much better than Carbon-14. When it puts religious relics at the age they're "supposed" to be at, it's INCREDIBLY accurate, but when it doesn't, it is usually off by roughly 15 orders of magnitude.
Everyone knows this.
You really aren`t the sharpest knife in the drawer as you don`t have a fundamental understanding of isotope and electron dating.
Uranium has been able to date within billions of years.
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Potassium Argon isn't much better than Carbon-14. When it puts religious relics at the age they're "supposed" to be at, it's INCREDIBLY accurate, but when it doesn't, it is usually off by roughly 15 orders of magnitude.
Everyone knows this.
Hi Justin,
Can I make a random request for 5KG of free protein from your fine emporium?
Scott Connelly sent me some Recovery gratis, so I thought I'd also chance my arm with your fine self.
Many thanks.
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i dont believe in magic
DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC??
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I obvioulsy get your point, majority beliefs count for nothing, but the country as a whole would rather have a leader that has a belief in a creator
and so we end with a $700 billion bailout/welfare plan that they will pay for, as long as they can sleep at night knowing that their leader believes what they believe.
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You really aren`t the sharpest knife in the drawer as you don`t have a fundamental understanding of isotope and electron dating.
Uranium has been able to date within billions of years.
I'm sorry. It is ONLY accurate when it places religious relics at the dates the bible claims. Otherwise, they're all off by BILLIONS of years.
As I said before, this is easily proved with Tylenol. They "claim" it has a half life of roughly 4 hours, but we all know it can work anywhere from 0.000001 seconds to 15 billion years.
That's the crap shoot half-life dating works with.
The fact of the matter is this:
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being from the date the bible claims, it is CORRECT.
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being ANY other age, they're incredibly INACCURATE. Usually off by BILLIONS of years.
I thought this was all taught in Sunday school?
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I'm sorry. It is ONLY accurate when it places religious relics at the dates the bible claims. Otherwise, they're all off by BILLIONS of years.
As I said before, this is easily proved with Tylenol. They "claim" it has a half life of roughly 4 hours, but we all know it can work anywhere from 0.000001 seconds to 15 billion years.
That's the crap shoot half-life dating works with.
The fact of the matter is this:
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being from the date the bible claims, it is CORRECT.
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being ANY other age, they're incredibly INACCURATE. Usually off by BILLIONS of years.
I thought this was all taught in Sunday school?
Totally wrong. I am speechless at your ignorance.
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I'm sorry. It is ONLY accurate when it places religious relics at the dates the bible claims. Otherwise, they're all off by BILLIONS of years.
As I said before, this is easily proved with Tylenol. They "claim" it has a half life of roughly 4 hours, but we all know it can work anywhere from 0.000001 seconds to 15 billion years.
That's the crap shoot half-life dating works with.
The fact of the matter is this:
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being from the date the bible claims, it is CORRECT.
When highly scientific dating procedures put religious relics as being ANY other age, they're incredibly INACCURATE. Usually off by BILLIONS of years.
I thought this was all taught in Sunday school?
R U for real?
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:o MAGIC :o
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Justin, feel free to name your latest choc protein product after me.
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Totally wrong. I am speechless at your ignorance.
It's all in the "book."
The first derivative with respect to time is "Jesus."
The second derivative with respect to time is "Joseph."
It is widely known that the laplacian operator is in fact "Peter."
I challenge anyone to work through the Principle of least action and show that kinetic energy minus potential energy isn't the "Lagrangian," but in fact mathematical proof that the earth is younger than some Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Many scholars believe that a "Cauchy plane" is just Jesus lying on a beach blanket. It is also widely known that "Lie Groups" is code for "the cosmological constant is off by nearly 15 billion years."
e^i"theta" is NOT a "unified theory" of trigonometry and algebra, but proof that an infallible God's desire for worship and praise is NOT a character fault.
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It's all in the "book."
The first derivative with respect to time is "Jesus."
The second derivative with respect to time is "Joseph."
It is widely known that the laplacian operator is in fact "Peter."
I challenge anyone to work through the Principle of least action and show that kinetic energy minus potential energy isn't the "Lagrangian," but in fact mathematical proof that the earth is younger than some Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Many scholars believe that a "Cauchy plane" is just Jesus lying on a beach blanket. It is also widely known that "Lie Groups" is code for "the cosmological constant is off by nearly 15 billion years."
e^i"theta" is NOT a "unified theory" of trigonometry and algebra, but proof that an infallible God's desire for worship and praise is NOT a character fault.
I hope your a gimmick man.because if not.........WOW.
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In high school, I had a science teacher that kept telling us the world was flat. The whole year he harped on it. ::)
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I hope your a gimmick man.because if not.........WOW.
Not a gimmick.
In fact, here is Jesus himself proving that leprosy is caused by God's hatred.
Any 1600's death certificate will show such causes of death as "King's Evil," "Planet," and "rising of the lights."
It's all in "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan.
If that isn't proof that the every single bit of scientific evidence is wrong an the bible is right, I don't know what is.
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I hope your a gimmick man.because if not.........WOW.
Why, has your extensive research into lie groups proven evidence to the contrary of my post?
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It's all in the "book."
The first derivative with respect to time is "Jesus."
The second derivative with respect to time is "Joseph."
It is widely known that the laplacian operator is in fact "Peter."
I challenge anyone to work through the Principle of least action and show that kinetic energy minus potential energy isn't the "Lagrangian," but in fact mathematical proof that the earth is younger than some Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Many scholars believe that a "Cauchy plane" is just Jesus lying on a beach blanket. It is also widely known that "Lie Groups" is code for "the cosmological constant is off by nearly 15 billion years."
e^i"theta" is NOT a "unified theory" of trigonometry and algebra, but proof that an infallible God's desire for worship and praise is NOT a character fault.
I hope this is sarcasm on your part.
I mean the derivative of 4x^2 is 8x, so does that mean there are 8 gods all named Lord Xenu??!?
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Not a gimmick.
In fact, here is Jesus himself proving that leprosy is caused by God's hatred.
Any 1600's death certificate will show such causes of death as "King's Evil," "Planet," and "rising of the lights."
It's all in "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan.
If that isn't proof that the every single bit of scientific evidence is wrong an the bible is right, I don't know what is
oh man ::) ::)
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I hope this is sarcasm on your part.
I meant the derivative of 4x^2 is 8X, so does that mean there are 8 gods all named Lord Xenu??!?
As a wise old women once said, "It's turtles all the way down."
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I hope this is sarcasm on your part.
I mean the derivative of 4x^2 is 8x, so does that mean there are 8 gods all named Lord Xenu??!?
If you take the Taylor's series to infinity, Jesus gives you a birthday cake.
It's true.
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Not a gimmick.
In fact, here is Jesus himself proving that leprosy is caused by God's hatred.
Any 1600's death certificate will show such causes of death as "King's Evil," "Planet," and "rising of the lights."
It's all in "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan.
If that isn't proof that the every single bit of scientific evidence is wrong an the bible is right, I don't know what is.
OK I see were your comin from now.....Hilarious!
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OK I see were your comin from now.....Hilarious!
shhh....it's more fun when people call me an idiot.
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Why Six Days?
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The Book of Genesis presents a disturbing problem for many Bible-believing Christians. Did God really create the heaven and the earth in just six 24-hour days? How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?
Many continue to attempt to circumvent the problem by assuming that the six days represent "geological eras," or that the traditional text is simply a rhetorical "framework" for a literary summary of the creative process. Various forms of "theistic evolution" have been contrived in attempts to reconcile the Biblical text with the various theories and conjectures which dominate our evolution-based society.
However, the sincere student cannot escape the confrontations which result from the straightforward reading of the text with the ostensible declarations of "science." How can we deal with these fundamental issues?
Why Is It So Critical?
There are four basic questions that confront all of us: Who am I? Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where am I going when I die?
And your eternal destiny will be determined by your "world view" in addressing these issues. And there are really only two world-views: either everything - including you - is the result of some kind of cosmic accident, or this is all the result of a deliberate design by a Designer.
This issue could not be more fundamental to everything. It comes as a shock to many to discover that every major theme and doctrine in the Bible has its roots in this "Book of Beginnings": sovereign election; salvation, justification by faith, believer's security, separation, disciplinary chastisement, the Divine Incarnation, the "rapture" of the church, death and resurrection, the priesthoods (both Aaronic and Melchizedekian), the Antichrist, and even the Palestinian Covenant that is being challenged by the continuing tensions throughout the world today all have their roots in this critical foundational book of the Bible. And each of these issues also has its consummation in the Book of (the) Revelation. (Like every good textbook, the answers are always in the back!)
Who Really Wrote the Torah?
There are those who have suggested the books of Moses were actually compilations by a number of redactors over the years - the common "Documentary Hypothesis" being one of the most prevalent theories. Fortunately, these previously popular notions have been thoroughly shredded by competent scholarship. But allow me to save you many hours of boring library research. I know who wrote the Books of Moses: Moses did. How do I know? Jesus Christ Himself said so! Many times.1
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? - John 5:45-47
Jesus quotes from each of the books of the Torah and attributes them each to Moses. The New Testament includes 165 direct quotes (and over 200 allusions) to the Book of Genesis, and over 100 of these are from the first 11 chapters. These include the Creator and the creation, 2 (and allusions3), creation of man and woman,4 the fall of man,5 the Flood of Noah,6 etc. So if you believe in Jesus Christ, you have no problem as to who wrote the Book of Genesis. (And if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you have much bigger problems than the authorship of Genesis!)
But "Six Days"?
The account of the creation of the universe in six days still is a "bone in the throat" to many Christians. Many point out that the word for "day" is yom , and is translated to 54 other words; however, 1181 of 1480 occurrences it is "day," and when used with a number it is always a literal day. But the real problem isn't the account in Genesis. It is in Exodus. In the middle of the Ten Commandments, the Creator Himself wrote it with His own finger in stone!
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11
It is undeniable that God intended us to understand that it was, indeed, six literal days. So how do we deal with the common understanding that "billions of years" was involved? How do we deal with the astronomical distances of millions of "light years" between the galaxies of the universe? Can anyone familiar with the discoveries of modern science take the Genesis account seriously?
It may come as a pleasant surprise to discover that the more you know about modern science - the real physics, not the mythology and conjectures that masquerade as "science" - the more you can take the Biblical text seriously. The Lord always rewards the diligent. (A recent book includes articles by fifty top scientists - from many different fields of specialization - who declare why they believe in a literal six-day creation. 7)
The Nature of Time
One of the many advantages that 20th century science has given us is that, thanks to Dr. Albert Einstein's brilliant discoveries, we now know that time is a physical property and is subject to mass, acceleration, and gravity. We have come to realize that we live in a four-dimensional continuum properly known as "space-time." (This is what Paul seems to imply in his letter to the Ephesians!8) It is interesting that when one takes the apparent 1012 expansion factor involved in the theories of the "expanding universe," that an assumed 16 billion years reduce to six days!
Furthermore, the astronomical timetables now seem to be entirely overturned with the reluctant acknowledgments that the speed of light is not longer regarded as the constant that the high priests of physics had been previously convinced of.
The Nature of Light
Not only have recent scientific articles highlighted the discoveries that the speed of light has changed over the centuries (something that Barry Setterfield has been declaring for decades) the very nature of light has ripped open the entire world of quantum physics that has shattered our concepts of reality itself.
The changes in the velocity of light not only impacts our understanding of the astronomical distances and properties, it affects the atomic behavior involved in the red shift of spectra, the reliability of radiological dating, etc. It is the peculiar properties of photons themselves that continue to astonish the quantum physicists wrestling with the very nature of our physical existence. It is now recognized that subatomic particles lack a property known as "locality." All subatomic particles are now understood to be immediately connected. There is a simultaneity - a "non-locality" - among all photons that has been confirmed in the laboratory. It now appears that our entire universe may actually be a gigantic hologram of some kind. 9
The Fabric of Space
Most of us assume that space is simply an empty vacuum with nothing "in it." However, it is increasingly evident that even empty space has astonishing properties that have yet to be fully understood. We now know that this "firmament," (raqia ) which the Scripture presents, possesses electromagnetic properties including dielectric permittivity, magnetic permeability, an intrinsic impedance,10 and has an astonishing "zero-point" energy sufficient to keep all the electrons in the entire universe in their orbits.11 The term "stretching the heavens" appears at least 17 times in the Scriptures.12
According to the Scriptures, the heavens can be "torn,"13 "worn out" like a garment,14 "shaken,"15 "burnt up,"16 "split apart" like a scroll,17 rolled up" like a mantle 18 or a scroll.19 The concept of being "rolled up" carries some additional insights. There must be some dimension in which space is "thin." If space can be "bent," there must be a direction it can be bent toward. Thus, this tells us that there must be additional dimensions beyond those of space itself. It is now understood that we live in even more than four dimensions: ten dimensions is the current estimate (which is precisely what Nachmonides concluded in his commentary on Genesis back in the 13th century!) The more we understand from the current perspectives of modern physics, the more comfortable we are with the chronicle in Genesis One.
The Architecture of the Solar System
The more we study our solar system, the more questions get raised. Here, too, the prevailing assumptions that are broadly taught are totally specious. The "Nebular Hypothesis," that the planets were somehow thrown off by the sun, is mathematically untenable. There is no plausible explanation that would support a solar origin of the planets. The sun contains 99.86% of all the mass of the solar system, and yet contains only 1.9% of the angular momentum. The nine planets contain 98.1%. Furthermore, the outer planets are far larger than the inner ones. (Jupiter is 5,750 times as massive as mercury, 2,958 times as massive as Mars, etc.)
There are many other provocative enigmas concerning our planetary history:
o There are three pairs of rapid-spin rates among our planets: Mars and Earth, Jupiter and Saturn, and Neptune and Uranus, are each within 3% of each other. Why?
o Earth and Mars have virtually identical spin axis tilts (about 23.5°). Why? (From angular momentum and orbital calculations, it would seem that the three pairs of these planets may have been brought here from elsewhere.)
o Why does Mars have 93% of its craters in one hemisphere and only 7% in the other? It would appear that over 80% occurred within a single half-hour!
It's almost as if God designed it to challenge any naturalistic hypotheses!
"Evening" and "Morning"?
The Hebrew terms, Erev,and Boker, now refer to "evening" and "morning" but their origins remain obscure. Erev designates obscuration, mixture (increasing entropy). The time when encroaching darkness begins to deny the ability to discern forms, shapes, and identities; thus, it becomes a term for twilight or evening.20 This also marks the duration of impurity, when a ceremonially unclean person became clean again,21 and thus, the beginning of the Hebrew day.
Boker is a designation for becoming discernible, distinguishable, visible; perception of order; relief of obscurity (decreasing entropy). It thus is associated with being able to begin to discern forms, shapes, and distinct identities; breaking forth of light; revealing; hence, denotatively, dawn, morning. (As traditional designations for the Hebrew day, technically it would seem to only designate the nighttime hours, but it is used connotatively for the entire calendar day.)
It is noteworthy that neither of these are recorded on the seventh day, and thus their original significance may have been to designate the increments of creation.
Other Issues
There are other questions that arise from the Genesis narrative. When was the earth created? It seems to have preceded the rest of the universe. Surprisingly, there are some cosmologists that are (again) beginning to suspect that the universe may be geocentric after all! How did plants (3rd day) flourish without the sun's photosynthesis (4th day)? When were the angels created? (They apparently witnessed the events of Genesis 1.) 22 When did Satan fall? He had apparently already fallen by Chapter 3.
As we explore these, and other, enigmas that emerge from the Biblical text, let us not confuse the precision of the text with conjectures and mythology that pervades our pagan culture and uninformed classrooms. (It's tragic that we can't insist on evidence-based education for our children rather than the foolishness and dogma that continues to strip them of their God-fearing heritage.)
But the more acquainted you become with the amazing discoveries and insights from the frontiers of science - and are able to dismiss the nonsense that prevails among the uninformed - the more comfortable the Genesis text becomes! We plan to continue this series of articles in the unmitigated aspiration of stimulating you to dig ever deeper into God's inerrant Word!
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We invite you to join us as we go verse by verse through the Book of Genesis. This foundational 24-week study will begin in January, 2004 through our K-Rations tape a week subscription plan as well as through our Berean Online Fellowship.
This article was originally published in the
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Matthew 8:4; 19:7,8; 23:2; Mark 1:44; 10:3,4; 7:10; Luke 5:14; 16:19, 31; 20:37; 24:27,44; John 3:14; 5:39,45,46; 6:32; 7:19, 22,23.
Matthew 13:35; Mark 13:19; John 1:3; Acts 4:24; 14:15; Romans 1:20; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:10; 11:3.
Romans 1:25; 16:25; Ephesians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:4; Hebrews 2:10; 4:10; 9:26; James 3:9; Revelation 3:14; 4:11; 10:6; 14:7.
Matthew 19:4-6, 8; Mark 10:6; Acts 17:26; 1 Corinthians 6:16; 11:8,9; Ephesians 5:31; 1 Timothy 2:13, 14; Revelation 2:7; 22:2, 14.
Romans 5:11, 14, 17, 19; 8:19-20; 1 Corinthians 15:21-22; 2 Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 20:2.
Matthew 24:37; Luke 17:26; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; 3:5-61.
John F. Ashton, In Six Days , Master Books, Green Forest AR, 2001.
Ephesians 3:18.
Cf. "Information in the Holographic Universe," Scientific American , August 2003.
Any radio ham that has had to tune an antenna array knows about the 377 ohms.
It has been estimated at a staggering 1.071 x 10117 kilowatts per square meter!
2 Samuel 22:10; Job 9:8; 26:7; 37:18; Psalm 18:9; 104:2; 144:5; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; Ezekiel 1:22; Zechariah 12:1.
Isaiah 64:1.
Psalm 102:25.
Hebrews 12:26, Haggai 2:6, Isaiah 13:13.
2 Peter 3:12.
Revelation 6:14.
Hebrews 1:12.
Isaiah 34:4.
Proverbs 7:9; Jeremiah 6:4.
Leviticus 15.
Job 4:7.
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The Book of Genesis presents a disturbing problem for many Bible-believing Christians. Did God really create the heaven and the earth in just six 24-hour days? How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?
Many continue to attempt to circumvent the problem by assuming that the six days represent "geological eras," or that the traditional text is simply a rhetorical "framework" for a literary summary of the creative process. Various forms of "theistic evolution" have been contrived in attempts to reconcile the Biblical text with the various theories and conjectures which dominate our evolution-based society.
However, the sincere student cannot escape the confrontations which result from the straightforward reading of the text with the ostensible declarations of "science." How can we deal with these fundamental issues?
Why Is It So Critical?
There are four basic questions that confront all of us: Who am I? Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where am I going when I die?
And your eternal destiny will be determined by your "world view" in addressing these issues. And there are really only two world-views: either everything - including you - is the result of some kind of cosmic accident, or this is all the result of a deliberate design by a Designer.
This issue could not be more fundamental to everything. It comes as a shock to many to discover that every major theme and doctrine in the Bible has its roots in this "Book of Beginnings": sovereign election; salvation, justification by faith, believer's security, separation, disciplinary chastisement, the Divine Incarnation, the "rapture" of the church, death and resurrection, the priesthoods (both Aaronic and Melchizedekian), the Antichrist, and even the Palestinian Covenant that is being challenged by the continuing tensions throughout the world today all have their roots in this critical foundational book of the Bible. And each of these issues also has its consummation in the Book of (the) Revelation. (Like every good textbook, the answers are always in the back!)
Who Really Wrote the Torah?
There are those who have suggested the books of Moses were actually compilations by a number of redactors over the years - the common "Documentary Hypothesis" being one of the most prevalent theories. Fortunately, these previously popular notions have been thoroughly shredded by competent scholarship. But allow me to save you many hours of boring library research. I know who wrote the Books of Moses: Moses did. How do I know? Jesus Christ Himself said so! Many times.1
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? - John 5:45-47
Jesus quotes from each of the books of the Torah and attributes them each to Moses. The New Testament includes 165 direct quotes (and over 200 allusions) to the Book of Genesis, and over 100 of these are from the first 11 chapters. These include the Creator and the creation, 2 (and allusions3), creation of man and woman,4 the fall of man,5 the Flood of Noah,6 etc. So if you believe in Jesus Christ, you have no problem as to who wrote the Book of Genesis. (And if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you have much bigger problems than the authorship of Genesis!)
But "Six Days"?
The account of the creation of the universe in six days still is a "bone in the throat" to many Christians. Many point out that the word for "day" is yom , and is translated to 54 other words; however, 1181 of 1480 occurrences it is "day," and when used with a number it is always a literal day. But the real problem isn't the account in Genesis. It is in Exodus. In the middle of the Ten Commandments, the Creator Himself wrote it with His own finger in stone!
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11
It is undeniable that God intended us to understand that it was, indeed, six literal days. So how do we deal with the common understanding that "billions of years" was involved? How do we deal with the astronomical distances of millions of "light years" between the galaxies of the universe? Can anyone familiar with the discoveries of modern science take the Genesis account seriously?
It may come as a pleasant surprise to discover that the more you know about modern science - the real physics, not the mythology and conjectures that masquerade as "science" - the more you can take the Biblical text seriously. The Lord always rewards the diligent. (A recent book includes articles by fifty top scientists - from many different fields of specialization - who declare why they believe in a literal six-day creation. 7)
The Nature of Time
One of the many advantages that 20th century science has given us is that, thanks to Dr. Albert Einstein's brilliant discoveries, we now know that time is a physical property and is subject to mass, acceleration, and gravity. We have come to realize that we live in a four-dimensional continuum properly known as "space-time." (This is what Paul seems to imply in his letter to the Ephesians!8) It is interesting that when one takes the apparent 1012 expansion factor involved in the theories of the "expanding universe," that an assumed 16 billion years reduce to six days!
Furthermore, the astronomical timetables now seem to be entirely overturned with the reluctant acknowledgments that the speed of light is not longer regarded as the constant that the high priests of physics had been previously convinced of.
The Nature of Light
Not only have recent scientific articles highlighted the discoveries that the speed of light has changed over the centuries (something that Barry Setterfield has been declaring for decades) the very nature of light has ripped open the entire world of quantum physics that has shattered our concepts of reality itself.
The changes in the velocity of light not only impacts our understanding of the astronomical distances and properties, it affects the atomic behavior involved in the red shift of spectra, the reliability of radiological dating, etc. It is the peculiar properties of photons themselves that continue to astonish the quantum physicists wrestling with the very nature of our physical existence. It is now recognized that subatomic particles lack a property known as "locality." All subatomic particles are now understood to be immediately connected. There is a simultaneity - a "non-locality" - among all photons that has been confirmed in the laboratory. It now appears that our entire universe may actually be a gigantic hologram of some kind. 9
The Fabric of Space
Most of us assume that space is simply an empty vacuum with nothing "in it." However, it is increasingly evident that even empty space has astonishing properties that have yet to be fully understood. We now know that this "firmament," (raqia ) which the Scripture presents, possesses electromagnetic properties including dielectric permittivity, magnetic permeability, an intrinsic impedance,10 and has an astonishing "zero-point" energy sufficient to keep all the electrons in the entire universe in their orbits.11 The term "stretching the heavens" appears at least 17 times in the Scriptures.12
According to the Scriptures, the heavens can be "torn,"13 "worn out" like a garment,14 "shaken,"15 "burnt up,"16 "split apart" like a scroll,17 rolled up" like a mantle 18 or a scroll.19 The concept of being "rolled up" carries some additional insights. There must be some dimension in which space is "thin." If space can be "bent," there must be a direction it can be bent toward. Thus, this tells us that there must be additional dimensions beyond those of space itself. It is now understood that we live in even more than four dimensions: ten dimensions is the current estimate (which is precisely what Nachmonides concluded in his commentary on Genesis back in the 13th century!) The more we understand from the current perspectives of modern physics, the more comfortable we are with the chronicle in Genesis One.
The Architecture of the Solar System
The more we study our solar system, the more questions get raised. Here, too, the prevailing assumptions that are broadly taught are totally specious. The "Nebular Hypothesis," that the planets were somehow thrown off by the sun, is mathematically untenable. There is no plausible explanation that would support a solar origin of the planets. The sun contains 99.86% of all the mass of the solar system, and yet contains only 1.9% of the angular momentum. The nine planets contain 98.1%. Furthermore, the outer planets are far larger than the inner ones. (Jupiter is 5,750 times as massive as mercury, 2,958 times as massive as Mars, etc.)
There are many other provocative enigmas concerning our planetary history:
o There are three pairs of rapid-spin rates among our planets: Mars and Earth, Jupiter and Saturn, and Neptune and Uranus, are each within 3% of each other. Why?
o Earth and Mars have virtually identical spin axis tilts (about 23.5°). Why? (From angular momentum and orbital calculations, it would seem that the three pairs of these planets may have been brought here from elsewhere.)
o Why does Mars have 93% of its craters in one hemisphere and only 7% in the other? It would appear that over 80% occurred within a single half-hour!
It's almost as if God designed it to challenge any naturalistic hypotheses!
"Evening" and "Morning"?
The Hebrew terms, Erev,and Boker, now refer to "evening" and "morning" but their origins remain obscure. Erev designates obscuration, mixture (increasing entropy). The time when encroaching darkness begins to deny the ability to discern forms, shapes, and identities; thus, it becomes a term for twilight or evening.20 This also marks the duration of impurity, when a ceremonially unclean person became clean again,21 and thus, the beginning of the Hebrew day.
Boker is a designation for becoming discernible, distinguishable, visible; perception of order; relief of obscurity (decreasing entropy). It thus is associated with being able to begin to discern forms, shapes, and distinct identities; breaking forth of light; revealing; hence, denotatively, dawn, morning. (As traditional designations for the Hebrew day, technically it would seem to only designate the nighttime hours, but it is used connotatively for the entire calendar day.)
It is noteworthy that neither of these are recorded on the seventh day, and thus their original significance may have been to designate the increments of creation.
Other Issues
There are other questions that arise from the Genesis narrative. When was the earth created? It seems to have preceded the rest of the universe. Surprisingly, there are some cosmologists that are (again) beginning to suspect that the universe may be geocentric after all! How did plants (3rd day) flourish without the sun's photosynthesis (4th day)? When were the angels created? (They apparently witnessed the events of Genesis 1.) 22 When did Satan fall? He had apparently already fallen by Chapter 3.
As we explore these, and other, enigmas that emerge from the Biblical text, let us not confuse the precision of the text with conjectures and mythology that pervades our pagan culture and uninformed classrooms. (It's tragic that we can't insist on evidence-based education for our children rather than the foolishness and dogma that continues to strip them of their God-fearing heritage.)
But the more acquainted you become with the amazing discoveries and insights from the frontiers of science - and are able to dismiss the nonsense that prevails among the uninformed - the more comfortable the Genesis text becomes! We plan to continue this series of articles in the unmitigated aspiration of stimulating you to dig ever deeper into God's inerrant Word!
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We invite you to join us as we go verse by verse through the Book of Genesis. This foundational 24-week study will begin in January, 2004 through our K-Rations tape a week subscription plan as well as through our Berean Online Fellowship.
This article was originally published in the
November 2003 Personal Update NewsJournal.
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Matthew 8:4; 19:7,8; 23:2; Mark 1:44; 10:3,4; 7:10; Luke 5:14; 16:19, 31; 20:37; 24:27,44; John 3:14; 5:39,45,46; 6:32; 7:19, 22,23.
Matthew 13:35; Mark 13:19; John 1:3; Acts 4:24; 14:15; Romans 1:20; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:10; 11:3.
Romans 1:25; 16:25; Ephesians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:4; Hebrews 2:10; 4:10; 9:26; James 3:9; Revelation 3:14; 4:11; 10:6; 14:7.
Matthew 19:4-6, 8; Mark 10:6; Acts 17:26; 1 Corinthians 6:16; 11:8,9; Ephesians 5:31; 1 Timothy 2:13, 14; Revelation 2:7; 22:2, 14.
Romans 5:11, 14, 17, 19; 8:19-20; 1 Corinthians 15:21-22; 2 Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 20:2.
Matthew 24:37; Luke 17:26; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; 3:5-61.
John F. Ashton, In Six Days , Master Books, Green Forest AR, 2001.
Ephesians 3:18.
Cf. "Information in the Holographic Universe," Scientific American , August 2003.
Any radio ham that has had to tune an antenna array knows about the 377 ohms.
It has been estimated at a staggering 1.071 x 10117 kilowatts per square meter!
2 Samuel 22:10; Job 9:8; 26:7; 37:18; Psalm 18:9; 104:2; 144:5; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; Ezekiel 1:22; Zechariah 12:1.
Isaiah 64:1.
Psalm 102:25.
Hebrews 12:26, Haggai 2:6, Isaiah 13:13.
2 Peter 3:12.
Revelation 6:14.
Hebrews 1:12.
Isaiah 34:4.
Proverbs 7:9; Jeremiah 6:4.
Leviticus 15.
Job 4:7.
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Dinosaur-like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible uses ancient names like "behemoth" (beh-HEE-moth) and "tannin." Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term which includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs (PLEE-see-oh-sors) that may have become extinct (died out).
The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is in Job chapter 40...
"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."
-Job 40:15-19 (NIV)
The book of Job is very old, written after the worldwide flood of Noah's time and probably about 2,000 years before Jesus was born. Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.
The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Behemoth tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars--one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world.
After all the behemoth had died out, many people forgot about them. Dinosaurs were extinct and the fossil skeletons that are in museums today did not begin to be put together until about 150 years ago. Today, some people have mistakenly guessed that the behemoth mentioned in the Bible might be an elephant or a hippopotamus. But those animals do not have tails like the thick, tall trunks of cedar trees!
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Either didn't read it or you couldn't understand it.
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shhh....it's more fun when people call me an idiot.
Sorry about that.
You never can tell sometimes when or if the rot of religion has engulfed someone in its putrid and intoxicating stench.
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Dinosaur-like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible uses ancient names like "behemoth" (beh-HEE-moth) and "tannin." Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term which includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs (PLEE-see-oh-sors) that may have become extinct (died out).
The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is in Job chapter 40...
"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."
-Job 40:15-19 (NIV)
The book of Job is very old, written after the worldwide flood of Noah's time and probably about 2,000 years before Jesus was born. Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.
The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Behemoth tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars--one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world.
After all the behemoth had died out, many people forgot about them. Dinosaurs were extinct and the fossil skeletons that are in museums today did not begin to be put together until about 150 years ago. Today, some people have mistakenly guessed that the behemoth mentioned in the Bible might be an elephant or a hippopotamus. But those animals do not have tails like the thick, tall trunks of cedar trees!
Nice cut and paste...
I was right, you are a total religious lunatic
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When faced with the terrifying reality of science, logic, and reason...
the only option left is to flood the board with cut-and-paste religious ramblings.
:)
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I love troponin's satire. ;D
He had me going too, until I caught on. :-X
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Either didn't read it or you couldn't understand it.
I think it said that Jesus is a Lorentz contraction of awesomeness and quantum tunneling is the reason for Easter? I couldn't find anything on De Broglie waves, but that's likely my fault.
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Coach probably post this stuff to convince himself more than others.
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Coach,
Keep posting religious crap. I think you've just about converted every atheist.
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No original thoughts.
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Coach probably post this stuff to convince himself more than others.
"He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak."
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"He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak."
You should change your name to Confucius.
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You should change your name to Confucius.
It is a quote from Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, a devout Roman Catholic.
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It is a quote from Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, a devout Roman Catholic.
good job now he's gonna start quoting rush Limbaugh
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Sorry about that.
You never can tell sometimes when or if the rot of religion has engulfed someone in its putrid and intoxicating stench.
;) This guy has all the answers ! :o Ill also assume he thinks OBAMA is an idiet because he is a CHURCH GOER ! 8)
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prove it ;)
matter can neither be created nor destroyed, law of thermodynamics, tested time and time again. Its a LAW, never once falsified. there is your proof.
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Actually its the oppisite, the one who don't believe in a creator feel the need to disprove their beliefs. I mean the thread was started by someone making fun of what someone believes, I happen to believe the dinosaurs and man existed together too, but I ain't making fun of people who believe in the big bang and I'm certainly not calling them idiots.
your beleif has no evidence, mine does.
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your beleif has no evidence, mine does.
Yah you can watch the big bang on you tube....
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Wow. Justin Harris I love you, you genius mother fucker :D
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What I dont understand is that if you believe that there is an omnipotent omnipresent creator out there, then why does the big bang theory have to conflict with that? If god created all things then he obviously likes matter. Whos to say what method he used to create the world as we know it?
The big bank theory is our best guess at what method created our universe in accordance to our current understanding of science and the world around us.
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matter can neither be created nor destroyed, law of thermodynamics, tested time and time again. Its a LAW, never once falsified. there is your proof.
:)
Our current "reality" can be thought of as a certain configuration of matter. The probability of matter reconfiguring itself the exact same way is astronomically small; HOWEVER, if given infinite time it will do so. If I hand you a set of dice and ask you to role a specific sequence of numbers, at some point you will, given the necessary time, and however long the sequence.
Just think USmokepole, there will be infinite occurrences of us arguing with idiots on Getbig.
It's kind of depressing really. ;D
"it is perhaps the limitation of our imaginations leading to the idea of a beginning. There is no reason to believe there ever was a beginning."
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It is a quote from Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, a devout Roman Catholic.
I'm not Roman Catholic.
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Yah you can watch the big bang on you tube....
Big Bang is actually up at www.tube8.com
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I'm not Roman Catholic.
;D
Catholic is christian is catholic is protestant is lutheran is babtist. Its all the same shit = There is a God and there is a heaven and a hell.
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What I dont understand is that if you believe that there is an omnipotent omnipresent creator out there, then why does the big bang theory have to conflict with that? If god created all things then he obviously likes matter. Whos to say what method he used to create the world as we know it?
The big bank theory is our best guess at what method created our universe in accordance to our current understanding of science and the world around us.
I believe in God, but my concept of God is different from Christians.
As usmokepole pointed out, Conservation of Matter rules out the possibility of a creator.
There is the possibility of a "mover" that always existed. That mover, I believe, is life.
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You guys realize that is was a Catholic Priest that first proposed the big bang theory?
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;D
Catholic is christian is catholic is protestant is lutheran is babtist. Its all the same shit = There is a God and there is a heaven and a hell.
Never said it wasn't Christian. It clearly is. I just don't accept some of the Catholic doctrin. I am a non-denominational Christian. I was a Catholic my wife is a proud and devout Catholic and once in a while I still go to her church.
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(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/JamesPhoenix/Jesus_Saves_Dinosaurs.jpg)
LOL!
I saved that one ND.
Jesus Saves...the dinosaurs!
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I'm not Roman Catholic.
They call your kind idiot, and whatever denomination of christianity you happen to be
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They call your kind idiot, and whatever denomination of christianity you happen to be
Again, I'm non-demoninational. The priest at my wife's Catholic church knows this and accepts this. IMO, he's awesome and definately see's where I'm coming from and accepts that. Same with my Pastor.
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Again, I'm non-demoninational. The priest at my wife's Catholic church knows this and accepts this. IMO, he's awesome and definately see's where I'm coming from and accepts that. Same with my Pastor.
What did you think of Sarah Palin's pastor?
Have you seen the video clip of her being 'saved' as he casts out the demons, then rants about witchcraft?
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What did you think of Sarah Palin's pastor?
Have you seen the video clip of her being 'saved' as he casts out the demons, then rants about witchcraft?
fundementalist freak me the hell out. My Grandmas church wss pennycostal growing up and looking back I think WTF. There are a lot of christian entities that freak me the hell out. Also I have never understood the whole TV evangalist thing... not my deal.
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What did you think of Sarah Palin's pastor?
Have you seen the video clip of her being 'saved' as he casts out the demons, then rants about witchcraft?
Nope, didn't see it. But then again I'm refusing to believe almost anything posted on youtube thats politically related. It's too easy to edit and slander. 90% of the things on youtube have been edited to fit liberal agendas. Thats why I prefer to go right to the articles. You guys have posted so much bullshit on here that's been proven wrong, I can't believe anything you guys say. It's kinda like crying wolf.
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Coach, serious question:
When you look around and notice that all the people touting this religious nonesense sound like first-rate morons,
and the atheist/agnostics sound comparatively well-spoken and sharp,
do you ever wonder if you're playing for the wrong team?
Seriously now.
;D
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Nope, didn't see it. But then again I'm refusing to believe almost anything posted on youtube thats politically related. It's too easy to edit and slander. 90% of the things on youtube have been edited to fit liberal agendas. Thats why I prefer to go right to the articles. You guys have posted so much bullshit on here that's been proven wrong, I can't believe anything you guys say. It's kinda like crying wolf.
Completely unedited, released directly from her church's website.
It's her pastor, and her on the altar. They are rebuking witchcraft. I've been following every post you made tonight, and learning a lot. I'd really appreciate you watching this clip, and sharing your honest opinion. This isn't lib spin, nor an article written by someone with any agenda. This is VIDEO, from the church itself, showing Palin's appearance. That's it.
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You guys have posted so much bullshit on here that's been proven wrong, I can't believe anything you guys say. It's kinda like crying wolf.
The law of Conservation of Matter is wrong?
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Coach, serious question:
When you look around and notice that all the people touting this religious nonesense sound like first-rate morons,
and the atheist/agnostics sound comparatively well-spoken and sharp,
do you ever wonder if you're playing for the wrong team?
Seriously now.
;D
This argument can be made for any demographic. Sure there are Christians that believe the world was created 4000 or whatever years ago and deny modern science, but the same can be said for Athiests as well. The difference is that Christians have a huge Target on their foreheads becasuse they are the majority in this country.
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This argument can be made for any demographic. Sure there are Christians that believe the world was created 4000 or whatever years ago and deny modern science, but the same can be said for Athiests as well. The difference is that Christians have a huge Target on their foreheads becasuse they are the majority in this country.
Most atheist do NOT believe the world was created 4000 years ago.
Anatoly Fomenko would have some funny things to say about all this though. Is he an atheist? ;D
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Coach, serious question:
When you look around and notice that all the people touting this religious nonesense sound like first-rate morons,
and the atheist/agnostics sound comparatively well-spoken and sharp,
do you ever wonder if you're playing for the wrong team?
Seriously now.
;D
Not a chance. You don't think there are well spoken and sharp people on MY side? We call them theologians. There is more proof of a creator than not. You just don't want to bother to find out.
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Most atheist do NOT believe the world was created 4000 years ago.
Fomenko has some funny ideas though. Is he an atheist? ;D
85% of America identify themselves as some type of christian so you are talking roughly 255 million people vs the 12% that consider themsleves Athiest/Agnostic.
That is a pretty big pool of people to pick from to find whackos.
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85% of America identify themselves as some type of christian so you are talking roughly 255 million people vs the 12% that consider themsleves Athiest/Agnostic.
That is a pretty big pool of people to pick from to find whackos.
Yes, it's true; there are a lot of whackos in America.
Wow this evolution shit is fucking random
It's the work of "God".
I'm not being sarcastic.
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Joe, you don't want to watch a completely unedited video clip - released by Palin's church?
Are you scared you're going to see something unsettling? Do you geniuinely NOT CARE what goes on at her church? You were VERY vocal about reverend wright. Talked about it for months.
Suddenly a crazy pastor doesn't matter? You won't even LOOK?
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Not a chance. You don't think there are well spoken and sharp people on MY side? We call them theologians. There is more proof of a creator than not. You just don't want to bother to find out.
Religious leaders and theologians are twice as nuts.
Again, is the law of Conservation of Matter false?
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Joe, you don't want to watch a completely unedited video clip - released by Palin's church?
Are you scared you're going to see something unsettling? Do you geniuinely NOT CARE what goes on at her church? You were VERY vocal about reverend wright. Talked about it for months.
Suddenly a crazy pastor doesn't matter? You won't even LOOK?
Was he a visiting pastor? In some churches like when I was a kid you would have pastors from other areas visit and preach in a local church. Sometimes even as a kid I was like WTF?? but would most people would just go with it out of respect. Was this her regular pastor or just some dude that was visiting that she did this and it got shot on video?
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Was he a visiting pastor? In some churches like when I was a kid you would have pastors from other areas visit and preach in a local church. Sometimes even as a kid I was like WTF?? but would most people would just go with it out of respect. Was this her regular pastor or just some dude that was visiting that she did this and it got shot on video?
no, that was her regular pastor for 12 years. She credits him for her becoming alaska governor.
This videotaped moment was from 2006.
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Joe, you don't want to watch a completely unedited video clip - released by Palin's church?
Are you scared you're going to see something unsettling? Do you geniuinely NOT CARE what goes on at her church? You were VERY vocal about reverend wright. Talked about it for months.
Suddenly a crazy pastor doesn't matter? You won't even LOOK?
most Christians are this way.I had a couple over at my house and tried to show them the same video they got up and left saying something about abortion being a sin.I was like WTF.It's like there brain washed.
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It wouldn't be a huge deal... hell, we all have crazy pastors, right?
The problem is, FOX news, and Coach, made a HUGE deal about this issue. They said since Obama attended a church with a crazy pastor and didn't leave, then he subscribed to the same beliefs and shouldn't be preseident.
Now that we see Palin's pastor is WORSE - he brags on video about chasing witches in Africa, and casts out her demons onstage - and also said some pretty interesting things about jewish people.
And Joe refuses to look at the unedited video, directly from teh church. He'd rather get his news from "Articles" penned by authors with their own agendas. VIDEO doesn't have an agenda, and doesn't spin. This clip shows 2 minutes of straight video from the altar.
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THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT JOE IS AFRAID TO WATCH.
Sarah Palin on the altar, with her Pastor in 2006. This woman wants to be VP.
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no, that was her regular pastor for 12 years. She credits him for her becoming alaska governor.
This videotaped moment was from 2006.
You got your facts wrong here Rob. Thomas Muthee is a Kenyan pastor that was visiting the US when this was taken. I dont argue that it is odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muthee
http://www.wofchurchke.org/
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Good catch, buffgeek, i'm reading more and learning more.
In a recent development, the vice Presidential Candidate of Republican Party has said that her success in becoming the governor of Alaska was largely due to the prayer of Thomas Muthee, a Kenyan Witch Hunter.
Pastor Muthee previously accused a Kenyan woman of practicing witchcraft and causing vehicle accidents. On 8th June this year, Palin said in a speech that Thomas Muthee blessed her in late 2005 when he paid a visit to the church in the capacity of a guest preacher.
The video footage shows her saying that she was a mayor at that time. She praised the personality of the pastor. She also said that the prayer of the pastor was powerful and it helped her in becoming a governor.
Muthee who is an African evangelist was associated with the Wasilla Assembly of God and gave guest sermons there on 10 occasions. He also set up the Prayer Cave in Kiambu, Kenya in the year 1989. He said that the almighty gave him instruction to do that and directed him to the nation.
In Transformations, an evangelical video created by a Christian information and research agency named Sentinel Group; Muthee talked about a satanic presence in the city and vented his wrath against it. He said that the almighty informed him about the unholy spirit residing in the city.
The video also says that after the unholy spirit was demolished, the crime rate in the region took a nosedive and church growth rate touched an all time high. While the entire “Transformations" video having the speech of the pastor has been taken off YouTube, the story still remains in a number of Evangelical Christian sites.
The pastor accused a woman named Mama Jane to be the source of the evil that was causing car accidents. She used to run Emmanuel Clinic, a divination center. She was asked to give up her sordid practices or leave the town of Kiambu.
The pastor was able to influence a number of devout people and they turned against the woman. It resulted in Police raiding her home and killing a pet python. After her questioning by Police she decided to leave the place.
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Not a chance. You don't think there are well spoken and sharp people on MY side? We call them theologians. There is more proof of a creator than not. You just don't want to bother to find out.
a man who believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa, or the Boogie Man is in no way shape or form intelligent, so why would I think a grown man believing in things that are not there is intelligent?
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This is for you COACH...
Religion has us convinced there is an invisible man...
Living in the sky....
Who watches everything you do every minute of every day...
This invisible man has a list of 10 things he wants you to not do... and if you do
he has a special place for you!!! HELL!!!!!
Where you will burn and choke and scream for ever... BUT
HE LOVES YOU!!!
AND HE NEEDS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a good Bullshit story????????????
Churches bring in BILLIONS of TAX FREE MONEY EVERY YEAR!!!!!!
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It wouldn't be a huge deal... hell, we all have crazy pastors, right?
The problem is, FOX news, and Coach, made a HUGE deal about this issue. They said since Obama attended a church with a crazy pastor and didn't leave, then he subscribed to the same beliefs and shouldn't be preseident.
Now that we see Palin's pastor is WORSE - he brags on video about chasing witches in Africa, and casts out her demons onstage - and also said some pretty interesting things about jewish people.
And Joe refuses to look at the unedited video, directly from teh church. He'd rather get his news from "Articles" penned by authors with their own agendas. VIDEO doesn't have an agenda, and doesn't spin. This clip shows 2 minutes of straight video from the altar.
Uuuummm. I just watched it and I couldn't understand too much exept "in the name of Jesus" "wants righteousness" "every form of witchcraft" something something.
Well Rob, dude's a pastor from another country (Kenya) and it's sounds like he was saying a prayer to cast away demons. Some do practice witchcraft in Kenya but he sounded like he was just saying prayers to JESUS for her. Sounds like nothing to me. I just had a hard time figuring out the "witchraft" thing. But I'm sure you'll spin it into something.
But I know it wasn't Goddamn America and its the white mans fault. Rob, sometimes you just blow me away. Do you realize you and Olberman are soul mates and should probably get married or something?
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a man who believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa, or the Boogie Man is in no way shape or form intelligent, so why would I think a grown man believing in things that are not there is intelligent?
Again it was a Catholic priest who first presented the Big Bang Theory.
I work with several large general practice and pediatrics Clinics, Surgical Centers and Medical Campuses and the majority of doctors I work with are Christian. These Men and women are by no means stupid so I think the statement that people of faith are unintelligent is ignorant.
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Again it was a Catholic priest who first presented the Big Bang Theory.
I work with several large general practice and pediatrics Clinics, Surgical Centers and Medical Campuses and the majority of doctors I work with are Christian. These Men and women are by no means stupid so I think the statement that people of faith are unintelligent is ignorant.
Christianity And IQ: An Inverse Correlation
By Thomas Keyes
Mar. 20, 2005
The lower a person’s IQ, the more likely he is to be a practiser of Christianity or another religion, whereas the higher his IQ, the more likely he is to be an atheist, an agnostic or a freethinker. I have known these general facts, through personal observation, since I was a teen-ager, but I have also culled very substantial evidence from various sources to demonstrate them.
Factors that obfuscate this otherwise clear-cut correlation are hypocrisy and vainglory. Many people pretend to Christianity merely to avoid friction or confrontations with family, friends, fellow workers and neighbors. Others like to show off before other Christians, seeking to appear stalwart, staunch and inflexible, by making a lot of noise about their religious views. The fact that they are being disingenuous does not necessarily mean that they have low IQ’s. Social reasons can be compelling.
Nonetheless, the correlation is loud and clear: intelligence and religiosity are inversely proportional. I have posted several articles on this subject before, but it may be time to review the facts.
We all know that distinguished scientists are legendarily intelligent, so we shouldn’t be surprised to see the intelligence-irreligiosity correlation big and bold in a survey conducted by Scientific American in 1999. The evidence is unchallengeable:
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE BELIEVING IN GOD
The general population..........90%
Scientists holding the degree of BS..........40%
Scientists regarded as eminent..........10%
A similar survey of the members of the National Academy of Scientists, the most distinguished scientific body in the US, was made in 1998, with equally ineluctable results. How could anyone possibly doubt the significance of this survey?
MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENTISTS
Atheists..........72%
Agnostics..........21%
Religionists..........7%
Another revealing set of statistics is a comparison of church attendance and average IQ for the four countries that have the highest church attendance in the world and the four that have the lowest. Christians should be able to find their rung on the following ladder:
CHURCH ATTENDANCE AND NATIONAL IQ
MOST THEISTIC COUNTRIES
Nigeria...89% attend church...67 is the average IQ
Ireland...80% attend church...93 is the average IQ
Philippines...68% attend church...86 is the average IQ
South Africa...56% attend church...72 is the average IQ
MOST ATHEISTIC COUNTRIES
Finland...4% attend church...97 is the average IQ
Sweden...4% attend church...101 is the average IQ
Japan...3% attend church...105 is the average IQ
Russia...2% attend church...96 is the average IQ
Summing up this irrefutable evidence is a direct quotation from Free Inquiry magazine, 1986: "Is it more logical to be a Christian? Is religion the natural choice of a smart person familiar with more of the evidence? Not according to a broad consensus of studies on IQ and religiosity. These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious."
Every time I post an article like this, a few people send me e-mail or post rebuttals or contradictory articles, and so far I have tried to answer them politely. But I am not really offering up a subject for debate, as if by talking it out, we can come to a conclusion satisfactory to all parties involved. No, I am merely stating the facts of the matter. So there’s no need to communicate with me, unless you want me to identify the sources of my statistics.
If I say that Paris is the capital of France, what is there to debate? If I say that ice melts when it gets warm, what is there to debate? If I say Lincoln was a US president, what is there to debate? If I say that intellectual backwardness and Christianity are almost synonymous, what is there to debate?
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About the author Thomas Keyes: I have written two books: A SOJOURN IN ASIA (non-fiction) and A TALE OF UNG (fiction), neither published so far.
I have studied languages for years and traveled extensively on five continents.
Enjoy.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
you think dinosaurs were wiped out because they didnt make it on Noah's Ark?
:D :D :D
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We're definitely advanced.
Then again, if you look at the NASA shuttle camera footage that shows some foreign flying object [1] following the shuttle [a] then sharply changing direction [2] at 1000+ mph... (which no man-made machine can do and [3]would kill anything made of what we're made of...)
Well, I believe if there's something else out there, it's probably more advanced that us.
240, I respect your normally honest and blunt, no punches pulled, give-it-as-the-facts-state posting. However, this dribble of yours is pure conspiracy paranoia.
[1] Following eh? When viewing a speck in 2 dimensions that is represented by roughly 1-3 pixels thereby not big enough to denote a shading and thereby lightsource angle of reflection, how the hell can you claim the motion of this object IN 3 DIMENSIONS? This object was moving one direction on a 2-d screen, then it changed directions. Was it moving towards or away from the shuttle? You and I and no one else can tell with the information provided.
[2] Quantitative speed is not possible if scale cannot be determined. See [1] to understand why scale cannot be determined.
[3] Come now and act like an adult, this isn't a comic book.
[a] This has been argued quite successfully as the result of the firing of the rocket thrusters to correct the flight path.
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what is wrong with saying goddamn america, and blaming white men for some problems in america? ???
this question coming from a white american male. :)
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[3] Come now and act like an adult, this isn't a comic book.
so an adult cannot admit that there are other life forms in the multi-verse? ::)
simple minded, close minded, delusional, unable to think outside thbox, probably republican, probably in the closet homosexual, probably fat but thinks you look good, probably white and racist but listens to rap and wears nike, probably buys cheap vegetables but is against immigration..... etc etc etc\
;D ;)
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The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.
After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.
Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.
The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.
Some dork born again christian i work with belives this, also belives noah had an ark with every animal and also in geocentrism that the world universe around the earth
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Enjoy.
Who is Thomas Keyes? What are his sources?
Also Why just scientists? Why not list all peolple with Doctorates?
This examples you quote are really Vague.
the church attendance thing is also baffling. What does that prove? You are comparing 3rd world nations to Industrialized nations. Where do the rest of the theistic nations fall?
America is probably one of the most christian nations. Where else would you rather live?
Athiests all have one thing in comming. Enormous Arrogance.
BTW THELUKE is athiest and from Ireland. Better not let him dogging the avg IQ of his nation ;D
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Uuuummm. I just watched it and I couldn't understand too much exept "in the name of Jesus" "wants righteousness" "every form of witchcraft" something something.
Well Rob, dude's a pastor from another country (Kenya) and it's sounds like he was saying a prayer to cast away demons. Some do practice witchcraft in Kenya but he sounded like he was just saying prayers to JESUS for her. Sounds like nothing to me. I just had a hard time figuring out the "witchraft" thing. But I'm sure you'll spin it into something.
But I know it wasn't Goddamn America and its the white mans fault. Rob, sometimes you just blow me away. Do you realize you and Olberman are soul mates and should probably get married or something?
NICE DODGE COACH...
Seriously are you fucking stupid? the "god damn america" was REV WRIGHT QUOTING WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER OF IRAQ SAID.... is it that hard for you to understand?
i say god damn america all the time... why casue we dont take care of our OWN PEOPLE and we take care of everyone else!!!!!
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so an adult cannot admit that there are other life forms in the multi-verse? ::)
simple minded, close minded, delusional, unable to think outside thbox, probably republican, probably in the closet homosexual, probably fat but thinks you look good, probably white and racist but listens to rap and wears nike, probably buys cheap vegetables but is against immigration..... etc etc etc\
;D ;)
Of course an adult may comprehend these things. I do every day of my life. However, admitting something insinuates prior knowledge. Not one, that you or I am aware, can yet admit knowledge of other life forms. If you are the first, please enlighten us.
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Uuuummm. I just watched it and I couldn't understand too much exept "in the name of Jesus" "wants righteousness" "every form of witchcraft" something something.
Well Rob, dude's a pastor from another country (Kenya) and it's sounds like he was saying a prayer to cast away demons. Some do practice witchcraft in Kenya but he sounded like he was just saying prayers to JESUS for her. Sounds like nothing to me. I just had a hard time figuring out the "witchraft" thing. But I'm sure you'll spin it into something.
But I know it wasn't Goddamn America and its the white mans fault. Rob, sometimes you just blow me away. Do you realize you and Olberman are soul mates and should probably get married or something?
He lives in the United states first off....
he asked jesus to get sara money and a staff for her campaign... would jesus ask for money to campaign for gov office?
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This is for you COACH...
Religion has us convinced there is an invisible man...
Living in the sky....
Who watches everything you do every minute of every day...
This invisible man has a list of 10 things he wants you to not do... and if you do
he has a special place for you!!! HELL!!!!!
Where you will burn and choke and scream for ever... BUT
HE LOVES YOU!!!
AND HE NEEDS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a good Bullshit story????????????
Churches bring in BILLIONS of TAX FREE MONEY EVERY YEAR!!!!!!
(http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/Yourbustedbitch/av-1727.gif)
LOL...awesome, George Carlin.
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LOL...awesome, George Carlin.
Only intelligent people know Carlins language!!! ha!
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Who is Thomas Keyes? What are his sources?
Also Why just scientists? Why not list all peolple with Doctorates?
This examples you quote are really Vague.
the church attendance thing is also baffling. What does that prove? You are comparing 3rd world nations to Industrialized nations. Where do the rest of the theistic nations fall?
America is probably one of the most christian nations. Where else would you rather live?
Athiests all have one thing in comming. Enormous Arrogance.
BTW THELUKE is athiest and from Ireland. Better not let him dogging the avg IQ of his nation ;D
Dunno who all his sources are dude.
The sources for the IQ listings might be Richard Lynn; he's an Oxford professor.
Also Why just scientists? Why not list all peolple with Doctorates?
Science degrees are the hardest sort of degrees to get, much harder than say...
a Doctorate of Divinity.
The article shows that the smartest most educated people tend to be atheist and agnostics.
Eminent scientist(the cream of the crop) are nearly always atheist.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
damn...words cannot describe how stupid you are.
You believe some fairytale book over science. Man you bible bashers make me laugh... ::)
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It's true that dinosaurs co-existed with man.
Not many people know this, but...
Jesus had a younger brother named Larry. One day, after visiting Adam and Eve, Jesus and Larry went to a fishin' hole, poles in hand.
Then they got to talking. Turns out Larry cursed Jesus, and they got into bit of a ruckus. Larry ran off, top speed, tears in his eyes.
Next thing you know, Larry was stomped to death by a rabid Tyranosaurus Rex!
Jesus was never the same. Which is why you don't hear too much about it. It was in the Bible Part 2, but this text was loss when a herd of Brachiosaurus stampeded Jesus' library.
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This coming from someone who thinks the Universe was made from a "Big Bang" ::)
You sir, are truly lost
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Again it was a Catholic priest who first presented the Big Bang Theory.
I work with several large general practice and pediatrics Clinics, Surgical Centers and Medical Campuses and the majority of doctors I work with are Christian. These Men and women are by no means stupid so I think the statement that people of faith are unintelligent is ignorant.
Not unintelligent, just deluded.
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Dinosaurs did not live together with humans. That's a scientific topic and science is pretty sure of that.
The big bang as well as an infinite number of big bangs are both just scientific theories.
In any case, science does not and will never explain existence.
Atheism has no foundation in science whatsoever.
It's a philosophic decision, in most cases however, based on simple misconceptions.
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Dinosaurs did not live together with humans. That's a scientific topic and science is pretty sure of that.
The big bang as well as an infinite number of big bangs are both just scientific theories.
In any case, science does not and will never explain existence.
Atheism has no foundation in science whatsoever.
It's a philosophic decision, in most cases however, based on simple misconceptions.
Do you think you can reject logical positivism in its absolute state as an ideology (admitting it has flaws) whilst still being an atheist?
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Do you think you can reject logical positivism in its absolute state as an ideology (admitting it has flaws) whilst still being an atheist?
I would call is philosophical positivism. And yes I do think that's possible. However, an 'atheist' born out of a serious philosophic examination of spirituality, will probably come closer to God than a religious fundamentalist. Nearly 100% of all atheists are atheists without any basis whatsoever. They think science provides them with reason to reject anything spiritual.
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I would call is philosophical positivism. And yes I do think that's possible. However, an 'atheist' born out of a serious philosophic examination of spirituality, will probably come closer to God than a religious fundamentalist. Nearly 100% of all atheists are atheists without any basis whatsoever. They think science provides them with reason to reject anything spiritual.
Define spiritual.
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Define spiritual.
That's easy, it's anything you can think of.
That's like asking for a definition of God, Life, the Universe, and everything.
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The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.
After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.
Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.
The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based "intelligent design" to be taught along with evolution in Alaska's schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.
A total lie,as usual, from the left.Of course ,she still hasnt told a cripple to stand up like Joe "the dumbest man in the senate" Biden.
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Me and Coach got into a debate a few months back... he says that some documents were found which "proved" God,
You have GOT to be joking. He can't possibly be that dense. That's a stretch, even for him.
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You have GOT to be joking. He can't possibly be that dense. That's a stretch, even for him.
He is. I never said that. I said there is archaeological findings that coinside with scripture. Again, Rob can't seem to get his facts straight.
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He is. I never said that. I said there is archaeological findings that coinside with scripture. Again, Rob can't seem to get his facts straight.
THere are also Archaeological findings of Australopithecus Afarensis from 4 million years ago. But what does science know right coach?
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THere are also Archaeological findings of Australopithecus Afarensis from 4 million years ago. But what does science know right coach?
Prove it "4 million" years ago. The problem is NO ONE can prove "4 million" years ago.
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Prove it "4 million" years ago. The problem is NO ONE can prove "4 million" years ago.
:o.....
potassium-argon dating means nothing to you?
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THere are also Archaeological findings of Australopithecus Afarensis from 4 million years ago. But what does science know right coach?
so archaeological findings that back your bible and beliefs are accurate.archaeological findings to the contrary are in accurate......Because stone cold says so!
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Prove it "4 million" years ago. The problem is NO ONE can prove "4 million" years ago.
It's called carbon dating. Discuss.
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so archaeological findings that back your bible and beliefs are accurate.archaeological findings to the contrary are in accurate......Because stone cold says so!
THAT WAS MEANT FOR THE COACH!
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You guys bashing the coach sound like a bunch of children. The man believes in something you don't, who cares thats his bussiness, is he stupid because he doesn't believe in the same thing you guys do. Here is a challange to you guys, lets start debating without any type of arrogance and disrespect, so no name calling, no ignorant comment, obviously the coach is out-numbered here, so it should be easy for you guys to nail him right, I say all the dating methods lack precision and they are flawed so all the people who believe in them are believing in a system that isn't accurate, if thats the only proof for evolution then its simply just a theory, not proven whatsoever.
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NICE DODGE COACH...
Seriously are you fucking stupid? the "god damn america" was REV WRIGHT QUOTING WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER OF IRAQ SAID.... is it that hard for you to understand?
i say god damn america all the time... why casue we dont take care of our OWN PEOPLE and we take care of everyone else!!!!!
Yeah, but I think it's very important that a vice presidential candidate NOT be compromised by witchcraft or demons or demonic spells. I certainly don't want the devil getting a foothold in my elected leaders. Think about it.
What would you rather have, a colored minister that hates america or a colored minister who hates witchcraft and demons and demonic spells?
I know which colored I'd pick!
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:o.....
potassium-argon dating means nothing to you?
Yes....but Carbon dating still doesn't prove anything to be "4million" years old. It can however go back thousands of years.
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You guys bashing the coach sound like a bunch of children. The man believes in something you don't, who cares thats his bussiness, is he stupid because he doesn't believe in the same thing you guys do. Here is a challange to you guys, lets start debating without any type of arrogance and disrespect, so no name calling, no ignorant comment, obviously the coach is out-numbered here, so it should be easy for you guys to nail him right, I say all the dating methods lack precision and they are flawed so all the people who believe in them are believing in a system that isn't accurate, if thats the only proof for evolution then its simply just a theory, not proven whatsoever.
Pipe down over there.
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Decker thatguy was avisiting minister who invited her to be blessed or whatever. He was from Africa. In order to gain credibility with people there, especially in the bush, Christian ministers have to envoke protections against witchcraft. Its almost how part of the package they sell people, who still sorta believe in that stuff. This guy was only doing what he normally does. If u listen to his blessing, it was one line. Short of that, I'd take the harmless blessing over a worthless douchbag preacher who hates this country any day.
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Decker thatguy was avisiting minister who invited her to be blessed or whatever. He was from Africa. In order to gain credibility with people there, especially in the bush, Christian ministers have to envoke protections against witchcraft. Its almost how part of the package they sell people, who still sorta believe in that stuff. This guy was only doing what he normally does. If u listen to his blessing, it was one line. Short of that, I'd take the harmless blessing over a worthless douchbag preacher who hates this country any day.
What do you want from me? I already said that I pick the colored casting out withcraft and whatnot.
The Catholic Church still does exorcisms. Religious nuttery extends to all faiths it seems.
But if you want to get all serious on me, I hate the goddam USA too when a massmurderer like Bush is in power. But that's me....and my views change.
I guess some people expect more from their country and countrymen. Ordering the attack of a marginally armed, oil rich, third world country and obliterating men, women and children b/c some intellectual lightweight thought it was a good idea at the time is not an endearing act to me.
We can't get caught up in nomenclature when someone says "goddamn the USA" Maybe Wright should have said, "goddamn the people of the USA for starting and continuing an unjust murderous war...."
That doesn't trip off the tongue too well though.
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Yes....but Carbon dating still doesn't prove anything to be "4million" years old. It can however go back thousands of years.
your right coach carbon dating goes back thousands but potassium argon can go back much further
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Yes....but Carbon dating still doesn't prove anything to be "4million" years old. It can however go back thousands of years.
Not very bright, are you?
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Not very bright, are you?
Why isn't he very bright? Please explain.
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dribble
drivel. the bleeding word is drivel, man
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It's true that dinosaurs co-existed with man.
Not many people know this, but...
Jesus had a younger brother named Larry. One day, after visiting Adam and Eve, Jesus and Larry went to a fishin' hole, poles in hand.
Then they got to talking. Turns out Larry cursed Jesus, and they got into bit of a ruckus. Larry ran off, top speed, tears in his eyes.
Next thing you know, Larry was stomped to death by a rabid Tyranosaurus Rex!
Jesus was never the same. Which is why you don't hear too much about it. It was in the Bible Part 2, but this text was lost when a herd of Brachiosaurus stampeded Jesus' library.
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"Dinosaurs may be tipping the scale in favor of a young earth"...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164133.msg2309646#msg2309646
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A very interesting discovery:
"The Wollemi Pine was “rediscovered” by David Noble, a NSW National Park and Wildlife Officer, in 1994 in Sydney’s Blue Mountains. Biologists have described this as akin to running across a live dinosaur during a walk in the bush. Previously, it was known only from the fossil records, dating back at least 90 million years."
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/05/wollemi_pinesth.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20050323093506/http://www.rbgsyd.gov.au/information_about_plants/wollemi_pine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/6201616.stm
So this tree which was previously believed to have been extinct for millions of years was just recently found alive and well in a park in Australia...things that make you go Hmm... ;D
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A very interesting discovery:
"The Wollemi Pine was “rediscovered” by David Noble, a NSW National Park and Wildlife Officer, in 1994 in Sydney’s Blue Mountains. Biologists have described this as akin to running across a live dinosaur during a walk in the bush. Previously, it was known only from the fossil records, dating back at least 90 million years."
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/05/wollemi_pinesth.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20050323093506/http://www.rbgsyd.gov.au/information_about_plants/wollemi_pine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/6201616.stm
So this tree which was previously believed to have been extinct for millions of years was just recently found alive and well in a park in Australia...things that make you go Hmm... ;D
Hmmm....indeed.
Another such item is the fact that certain rocks of known age (i.e. someone has actually seen and documented when the rock was formed) have been calculated (by K-Ar dating) to be hundreds of thousands or millions of years old.
As for this tree, that's known as a "living fossil". The same thing happened with the coelacanth fish. Evolutionists thought this fish was extinct and cited that "Zeke" (as I like to call it) evolved legs and walked on the ocean floor, eventually enabling it to walk on land. The problem was that this fish wasn't extinct at all; the scientists just looked in the wrong part of the planet.
It turns out that once these fish were found, they were STILL FISH (for starters). Furthermore, they possessed virtually NONE of those "evolutionary" characteristics that certain scientists claimed that they did.
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A very interesting discovery:
"The Wollemi Pine was “rediscovered” by David Noble, a NSW National Park and Wildlife Officer, in 1994 in Sydney’s Blue Mountains. Biologists have described this as akin to running across a live dinosaur during a walk in the bush. Previously, it was known only from the fossil records, dating back at least 90 million years."
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/05/wollemi_pinesth.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20050323093506/http://www.rbgsyd.gov.au/information_about_plants/wollemi_pine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/6201616.stm
So this tree which was previously believed to have been extinct for millions of years was just recently found alive and well in a park in Australia...things that make you go Hmm... ;D
It makes me think that occasionally when something is thought to be extinct it is not.
Doesn't change evolution, the age of the planet, or the ridiculousness of believing T-Rex and people ran around together.
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It makes me think that occasionally when something is thought to be extinct it is not.
Doesn't change evolution, the age of the planet, or the ridiculousness of believing T-Rex and people ran around together.
You contradict yourself, OzmO. Your same logic could apply to dinosaurs, not that they might exist today, but that one might still have been around 10,000 years ago, as opposed to all of them being extinct 65 million years ago.
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You contradict yourself, OzmO. Your same logic could apply to dinosaurs, not that they might exist today, but that one might still have been around 10,000 years ago, as opposed to all of them being extinct 65 million years ago.
Quite possible some could have survived that long, there might even be a few today. And 65 million years is far from 6000 years. ;)
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Quite possible some could have survived that long, there might even be a few today. And 65 million years is far from 6000 years. ;)
What? ???
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What? ???
The contention that the age of dinosaurs and the age of man over lapped is stupid.
A few dinosaurs species surviving millions of years like those plants is possible
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The contention that the age of dinosaurs and the age of man over lapped is stupid.
How so? Coelacanths were supposed to be extinct some 70 million years ago. But, those fish are alive and well (and they're still FISH, not lizards or birds). It was once held that "Zeke" fish didn't live with humans. We know now that such is not the case.
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How so? Coelacanths were supposed to be extinct some 70 million years ago. But, those fish are alive and well (and they're still FISH, not lizards or birds). It was once held that "Zeke" fish didn't live with humans. We know now that such is not the case.
obviously, since if it was a different species it wouldnt be the once thought of extinct species. The fact that they found the fish doesnt prove anything other then the world is a big place.
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obviously, since if it was a different species it wouldnt be the once thought of extinct species. The fact that they found the fish doesnt prove anything other then the world is a big place.
On the contrary, loads of claims about this particular fish were made, regarding how this fish "evolved" into thus and so, and started walking on the ocean floor and on land.
Yet, when this fish was found, this was the time for these scientists to ACTUALLY OBSERVE such alleged characteristics in action. But, "Zeke" didn't have what the scientists claim it did.
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On the contrary, loads of claims about this particular fish were made, regarding how this fish "evolved" into thus and so, and started walking on the ocean floor and on land.
Yet, when this fish was found, this was the time for these scientists to ACTUALLY OBSERVE such alleged characteristics in action. But, "Zeke" didn't have what the scientists claim it did.
i would have to research what your talking about because i assume your info is coming from christian sources, if you can find peer reviewed research for me, or something from talkorigins i will beleive you. However, this just points out a mistake, nothing more. You have very little understanding of biology as you are not educated in the field, hence anything you say carries little to no merit. Evolution, what you're attacking, is supported via multiple sciences all arriving at the same conclusion. Never been falsified, many christian scientists work within evolution, still not falsified.
post some research, or an article from a non christian source please. thank you.
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How so? Coelacanths were supposed to be extinct some 70 million years ago. But, those fish are alive and well (and they're still FISH, not lizards or birds). It was once held that "Zeke" fish didn't live with humans. We know now that such is not the case.
And a thought to be extinct fish, found in the ocean, which is gigantic beyond belief and not near fully explored, is your supporting contention that the age of dinosaurs and the age of man over lapped?
Not very scientific. They are 2 different things.
My assertion still stands, it's very possible to find animals thought to be extinct still living, but to think the age of dinosaurs and the age of man over lapped is silly. It's possible, of course, that some dinosaur species have survived into the age of man.
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McWay and Loco its about time you guys showed up ;D
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As a wise old women once said, "It's turtles all the way down."
post of the century
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i would have to research what your talking about because i assume your info is coming from christian sources, if you can find peer reviewed research for me, or something from talkorigins i will beleive you. However, this just points out a mistake, nothing more. You have very little understanding of biology as you are not educated in the field, hence anything you say carries little to no merit. Evolution, what you're attacking, is supported via multiple sciences all arriving at the same conclusion. Never been falsified, many christian scientists work within evolution, still not falsified.
post some research, or an article from a non christian source please. thank you.
Evolution should have been supported when they found this fish, that was supposedly gone. But don't take my word for it:
One of the great problems of evolution has been to find anatomical links between the fishes and their land-invading descendants ... For a long time evolutionists were troubled by this major gap between fishes and the amphibians. But the gap has now been bridged by studies of ancient fishes, and this is where the coelacanth comes in. - Dr. Jacques Millot, "The Coelacanth,” Scientific American, Vol. 193, December 1955
But after scientists actually found and observed acutal living coelacanths.....
“I confess I’m sorry we never saw a coelacanth walk on its fins....Few creatures have endured such an immense span of time with so little change as coelacanths. The cutaway drawing of a present-day specimen seems almost identical with the 140-million-year-old fossil found in a quarry in southern West Germany. ... Why have coelacanths remained virtually unchanged for eons ... 30 million generations?” Hans Fricke, “Coelacanths: The Fish That Time Forgot,” National Geographic, Vol. 173, No. 6, June 1988.
The short answer to Dr. Fricke question, "They were fossilized a few thousand years ago, at the time of the flood." - Dr. Walter Brown, Center for Scientific Creation
My point was simply this: Evolutionists tend to postulate their theories, based on unobservable phenomena. But, once the opportunity to actually observes these theories in action present itself, the claims of the evolutionists and the actual facts often do not mesh. "Zeke" was supposed to be the link between fish and land-walking critters. But, to the chagrin of evolutionists, the "Zekes" were every bit as fishy as their allegedly 70-million-year-old ancestors (They didn't walk nor did they breathe air; just plain old, albeit LARGE fish).
Radiometric dating (K-Ar, in particular) is a prime example. As long as no documentation exists to the actual age of a rock, that dating can be used to say the rock is "x" millions of years old.
But, as is often the case, when a rock formation OF KNOWN AGE (i.e. someone has actually seen when and how it was formed and documented it) is dated, the same dating methods claim that such a rock is hundred of thousands or millions of years old.
And a thought to be extinct fish, found in the ocean, which is gigantic beyond belief and not near fully explored, is your supporting contention that the age of dinosaurs and the age of man over lapped?
When "Zeke" was thought to be at least 70 million years old (and extinct), the thought was that they certainly didn't co-exist with man. Well, those fish are alive and well and they co-exist with man (and have been doing so for quite some time).
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Evolution in the sense of many tiny changes occuring over millions of years is highly overrated.
The changes that have occurred are almost entirely due to natural selection and mutations.
Change is quick.